Big Blue View - Panthers 38, Giants 0: Post-game recap, news, reaction, analysis, moreYour place for year-round New York Giants discussion and informationhttps://cdn.vox-cdn.com/community_logos/47371/bigblueview_fave.png2013-09-23T09:54:13-04:00http://www.bigblueview.com/rss/stream/45050132013-09-23T09:54:13-04:002013-09-23T09:54:13-04:00'Kudos & Wet Willies' review of Giants-Panthers
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<p>'Kudos & Wet Willies' review of Giants-Panthers.</p> <p><a href="http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/33146/wetwillies_468.jpg" target="_blank"><img alt="Wetwillies_468_medium" class="photo" src="http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/33146/wetwillies_468_medium.jpg"></a> <br id="1379943503281"> 'Wet Willies' to everybody connected with the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a>. That's really the only judgment that can be made after Sunday's 38-0 loss to the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.catscratchreader.com/">Carolina Panthers</a>. This game was a fiasco in all aspects, leaving the Giants 0-3 and having been outscored this season 115-54.</p>
<p>How bad are the Giants right now? No other NFL team has given up 100 points. The 0-3 <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.dailynorseman.com/">Minnesota Vikings</a> have surrendered 96. Only five teams have scored fewer than 54 points.</p>
<p>The Giants can't run the football. Sunday they couldn't throw it, either. They can't do either of those because they can't block. They can't hang onto the ball, turning it over three more times on Sunday. They are a league-worst -9 in takeaway/giveaway ratio. </p>
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<p>They can't rush the passer. Sunday they got one sack and one pressure on Carolina quarterback Cam Newton, both from defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka. Jason Pierre-Paul got nowhere near Newton. They can't defend the run. The Panthers ran for 194 yards on 46 carries (4.2 yards per carry), with <span>DeAngelo Williams</span> getting 120 yards on 23 carries.</p>
<p>They can't get stops when they need them. They did get one nice play from <span>Aaron Ross</span> on Sunday, an interception that put the ball at the Carolina 17-yard line. The offense, of course, could not take advantage of that gift. With the score 17-0 and the Giants still having a chance the defense surrendered scoring drives of 65 yards on 13 plays and 80 yards on six plays the first two times the Panthers touched the ball in the second half. In all, the defense surrendered four drives of 10 plays or more in duration.</p>
<p>The Giants can't punt. I don't know what has happened to <span>Steve Weatherford</span>, but he was atrocious on Sunday for the second straight game. They can't kick field goals. <span>Josh Brown</span> missed a 37-yarder in perfect weather conditions, shanking to the left a kick a professional kicker has to make.</p>
<p>It might be time to stop talking about how much talent the Giants have, about how they aren't playing up to their capabilities. They have lost five of six regular-season games, getting blown out of four of them. They lost their final three preseason games, exhibiting many of the same problems they have shown in the first three games that counted. If there isn't that much talent you have to begin questioning the roster that was constructed, which begins with GM Jerry Reese. If they are that good and they aren't performing then you begin to wonder why. Tom Coughlin is going nowhere unless he chooses to retire at season's end, but if this continues there will be coaches who pay the price.</p>
<p>In terms of 'Kudos & Wet Willies' there are players who could be exempted from the 'Wet Willies.'</p>
<p><span>Eli Manning</span> could get 'Kudos' simply for surviving what might have been the worst beating of his career. <span>David Wilson</span> and <span>Rueben Randle</span> could get 'Kudos' for at least trying to make plays. <span>Prince Amukamara</span>, who did a good job on Steve Smith, could get 'Kudos.' Aaron Ross, who had that interception and batted away a touchdown pass while he was also getting torched for a pair of touchdowns, could be given a 'Kwillie.'</p>
<p>This performance was so repugnant, however, that in addition to basically handing out a team-wide 'Wet Willie' a new category has had to be created for the atrocious work of two specific groups. The pitiful work of the offensive and defensive lines, maybe even the entire defensive front seven, has earned them 'Double-Fisted Wet Willies.'</p>
<p>Let's look at each.</p>
<p><b>Offensive Line: </b>By my count, <span>Will Beatty</span> gave up three sacks and had a touchdown-negating holding call. <span>Chris Snee</span> gave up two sacks and <span>Justin Pugh</span> and <span>Kevin Boothe</span> were each responsible for one. Beatty is supposed to be the anchor of the line and has been terrible in two games. Pugh is struggling to become a capable NFL player. In the middle, Snee, Boothe and center <span>David Baas</span> look old and overmatched. Snee and Baas are probably nowhere near 100 percent physically. Boothe is a journeyman who played well last season, and right now that looks like a performance he can't repeat.</p>
<p><b>Defensive Line: </b>It's time to stop talking about Pierre-Paul's back. He is generating no pressure on opposing quarterbacks, and that's a major issue. The Panthers pushed the Giants around Sunday, especially in the second half. There were gaping holes everywhere when Carolina ran the ball, and little pressure from the pass rush -- for the third straight week -- when the Panthers threw it.</p>
<p>You simply have no chance to win when you get pushed around at the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately for the Giants, they are getting pushed around on both sides of the ball.</p>
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https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/9/23/4761410/giants-panthers-kudos-wet-willies-review-recap-analysis-score-newsEd Valentine2013-09-22T22:23:55-04:002013-09-22T22:23:55-04:00Shoulder injury may end season for Henry Hynoski
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<p>Hynoski suffers fractured shoulder. Injury could end his season.</p> <p><a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a>' fullback <span>Henry Hynoski</span> suffered a fractured shoulder during Sunday's 38-0 loss to the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.catscratchreader.com/">Carolina Panthers</a>. He will undergo more tests this week to determine whether or not the injury is season-ending.</p>
<p>Hynoski tweeted this after Sunday's game.</p>
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<p>Just another bump in the road and another setback for me to beat...i will be back stronger and so will our team...mindpower is everything!</p>
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<p>Hynoski caught one pass Sunday for five yards.He told Ebenezer Samuel of the Daily News he injured the shoulder on that play.</p>
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<p>Hynoski missed the entire preseason due to a knee injury suffered during OTAs.</p>
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https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/9/22/4760520/henry-hynoski-injury-new-york-giants-fullback-fractures-shoulderEd Valentine2013-09-22T19:43:52-04:002013-09-22T19:43:52-04:00Tuck, Giants are looking for, not finding, answers
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<p>Justin Tuck and Eli Manning address the media following Sunday's loss.</p> <p>There is very little that any of the stunned members of the 0-3 <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a> can say that is helpful following Sunday's 38-0 embarrassment at the hands of the previously winless <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.catscratchreader.com/">Carolina Panthers</a>.</p>
<p>The Giants are simply not a good football team right now. If fact, they aren't a competitive one. They have lost five of six regular-season games, and were only competitive in one of those losses -- this year's season-opening 36-31 loss to the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/">Dallas Cowboys</a>. They have been outscored 115-54 this season.</p>
<p>"I'm looking for answers," said defensive end <span>Justin Tuck</span>. "I want to stand up here and say we're better than the 0-3 team that we are, but the facts are the facts. We're 0-3 and we've got a huge hill to climb."</p>
<p>No team has started a season 0-3 and made the playoffs since the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.buffalorumblings.com/">Buffalo Bills</a> did it in 1998. The Giants haven't started 0-3 since doing so in both 1995 and 1996.</p>
<p>"There's something missing right now. We gotta look ourselves in the mirror and figure out what that is because if it isn't ugly now it definitely can get uglier," Tuck said. "None of us want that.</p>
<p>"Our offense is struggling right now, our defense is struggling right now. This team is struggling right now. We've gotta have somebody step up and create a spark. "</p>
<p>The Giants thought they might get that from their passing game Sunday. The Giants, though, gave up seven sacks and could not take advantage of injury-riddled Carolina secondary. The Giants ran 50 plays with 25 going for no gain or negative yardage, and two plays resulting in interceptions. Thus, only 23 of their 50 snaps resulted in positive yardage.</p>
<p>"Too many times we were going backwards instead of moving the ball forward," said quarterback <span>Eli Manning</span>. "They were able to get great pressure just bringing four guys. That's tough."</p>
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https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/9/22/4760010/panthers-38-giants-0-players-reaction-justin-tuck-eli-manningEd Valentine2013-09-22T17:06:15-04:002013-09-22T17:06:15-04:00Instant Analysis: Giants are a bad football team
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<p>Tom Coughlin said the Giants offense got "manhandled" Sunday. </p> <p>After watching his <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a> get dismantled by the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.catscratchreader.com/">Carolina Panthers</a>, 38-0, on Sunday head coach Tom Coughlin said his offense got "manhandled" by the Carolina defense.</p>
<p>"The offense was giving the effort, we were just getting manhandled, quite frankly," Coughlin said.</p>
<p>That's accurate, but is there a stronger word (a clean one)?</p>
<p>The Giants are 0-3 and buried in a hole no NFL team has dug itself out of since the 1998 <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.buffalorumblings.com/">Buffalo Bills</a> -- the last team to make the playoffs after starting that way.</p>
<p><span>Will Beatty</span> was terrible, giving up at least one sack and costing the Giants a touchdown with an unnecessary holding penalty. <span>Justin Pugh</span> wasn't very good. <span>David Baas</span>, <span>Chris Snee</span> and <span>Kevin Boothe</span> were overrun in the middle.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there aren't really any changes the Giants can make in personnel up front. If James Brewer, <span>Brandon Mosley</span> or <span>Jim Cordle</span> were better than what the Giants are trotting out there they would be playing. Veteran David Diehl is out with a thumb injury, and he isn't really an upgrade, anyway.</p>
<p>The Giants had a match-up that seemed to work in their favor Sunday with Carolina fielding a patchwork secondary. They couldn't block well enough to take advantage of it, however.</p>
<p>"We never gave ourselves a chance to go after their chopped up secondary because they did an outstanding jobup fromt," Coughlin said. "I bet the quarterback got hit 20 times."</p>
<p>The Giants expected to be better than this, of course. If there was going to be a blowout sunday pedigree would tell you the Giants would have been on the winning end of it. The Giants, though, look like a bad football team. They have been outscored 115-54.</p>
<p>"We never gave ourselves competitively a chance to be in the game," Coughlin said. "Disappointing is not a strong enough word. "I expected more.</p>
<p>The Giants' offense was the biggest problem. The defense, however, only sacked Cam Newton once and allowed Carolina to run 194 yards. <span>DeAngelo Williams</span> had 23 carries for 120 yards.</p>
<p>Coughlin, of course, would not toss in the towel despite the 0-3 start.</p>
<p>"We're gonna fight every step of the way. We're gonna give it everything we've got," Coughlin said. "We're gonna battle and we're gonna try as hard as we can to be competitive and to turn this thing around."</p>
<p>There are two questions after Sunday's debacle. First, does anyone else care as much as the head coach? Second, even if they do is there enough talent in the Giants locker room to do anything about it?</p>
<p>Both are debatable right now.</p>
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https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/9/22/4759498/instant-analysis-new-york-giants-carolina-panthersEd Valentine2013-09-22T16:10:56-04:002013-09-22T16:10:56-04:00Panthers 38, Giants 0: Awful Giants are now 0-3
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<p>The Giants fell to 0-3 Sunday, suffering an embarrassing loss to the Carolina Panthers.</p> <p>The <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a> are a bad football team right now. That's about all there is to say after the 0-3 Giants suffered a 38-0 beatdown at the hands of the previously winless <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.catscratchreader.com/">Carolina Panthers</a> (1-2) Sunday afternoon.</p>
<p>Going back to last season the Giants have now lost five of their last six regular-season games.Four of those have been lopsided losses, including a 34-0 shutout to the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/atlanta-falcons">Atlanta Falcons</a> last season.</p>
<p>The last time the Giants started 0-3 was 1996. They finished 6-10 that season, a year in which they were shut out twice. The winless Giants now have to get ready for a trip to Arrowhead Stadium next Sunday to face the 3-0 <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.arrowheadpride.com/">Kansas City Chiefs</a>.</p>
<p>The Giants totaled only 150 yards on offense while the Panthers had 403. New York had only 18 yards of offense at halftime, trailing 17-0 at that time. The Giants averaged 3.5 yards per play.</p>
<p><span>Eli Manning</span> completed 12-of-23 passes for 119 yards and one interception. He was sacked seven times.</p>
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/9/22/4759148/giants-panthers-final-score-giants-humiliated-by-carolina-xx-xx-nfl-week-3Ed Valentine2013-09-22T14:48:09-04:002013-09-22T14:48:09-04:00Giants, Panthers second-half open thread
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<p>Here is your second-half open thread.</p> <p>After one of the worst offensive halves of football you may ever see at the NFL level the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a> trail the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.catscratchreader.com/">Carolina Panthers</a>, 17-0.</p>
<p>Carolina sacked Giants' quarterback <span>Eli Manning</span> six times, four in the first quarter. The Giantds ran 25 offensive plays, 15 of which went for no gain or negative yardage. The Giants have 18 total yards, 17 rushing the ball and 1 yard passing.</p>
<p>Eli Manning is 6-of-9 for 37 yards passing. He leads the Giants with 14 yards rushing.</p>
<p>Carolina scored on a 2-yard run by MIke Tolbert, a 53-yard field goal by <span>Graham Gano</span> and a 16-yard pass from Cam Newton to <span>Brandon LaFell</span>.</p>
<p>The Giants' best chance came after an <span>Aaron Ross</span> interception gave them the ball at Carolina's 17-yard line. <span>David Wilson</span> ran in for a score, but a holding penalty on <span>Will Beatty</span> negated the play. <span>Josh Brown</span> eventually missed a 37-yard field goal.</p>
<p>Carolina gets the ball to start the second half.</p>
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/9/22/4759038/panthers-17-giants-0-halftime-score-second-half-open-threadEd Valentine2013-09-22T14:25:39-04:002013-09-22T14:25:39-04:00Henry Hynoski suffers shoulder injury
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<p>As if the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a>' woeful offense needed any more bad news the Giants have lost fullback <span>Henry Hynoski</span> to a shoulder injury. FOX Sports reported during the game that Hynoski will not return.</p>
<p>The fullback caught one pass early in the game and did not return.</p>
<p>Hynoski has been trying to regain his form after missing the entire preseason following knee surgery.</p>
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/9/22/4759014/henry-hynoski-injury-shoulder-sidelines-fullback-new-york-giantsEd Valentine2013-09-22T12:30:03-04:002013-09-22T12:30:03-04:00Giants at Panthers open thread
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<figcaption>Eli Manning warming up before Sunday's game vs. Carolina. | Grant Halverson</figcaption>
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<p>Discuss the action from today's Giants-Panthers Week 3 match-up here.</p> <p>Here is your open thread for today's <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bigblueview.com/">New York Giants</a> at <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.catscratchreader.com/">Carolina Panthers</a> NFL Week 3 meeting. Both teams are 0-2 and desperately in need of a victory. Bovada lists the Giants at 2-point underdogs. [<a target="_blank" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/odds">See Complete NFL Odds</a>]</p>
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<p>For the Carolina perspective on today's action, see <a target="_blank" href="http://catscratchreader.com">Cat Scratch Reader</a>.</p>
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