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History tells us New York Giants won’t draft Kyler Murray

Doing so would go against what the Giants have done for four decades

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Kyler Murray announced Monday that he is “firmly and fully committing my life to becoming an NFL quarterback.” That, of course, sent Draft Twitter and those in the New York Giants fan base who are crushing on the idea of Murray replacing Eli Manning into a frenzy.

There were plenty of “the Giants should draft Murray” tweets.

There were comments at BBV like this:

Then there is reality.

Ralph Vacchiano of SNY came out quickly with a report that a source inside the organization told him that Murray is “probably a little too small” for the Giants.

Since any team that wants a quarterback knows they probably have to trade above the Giants to guarantee they get their guy, the more first-round quarterbacks there are, the less of an urgency there'll be to move up. And if any of those other teams fall in love with Murray, they can feel safe that he'll still be there after the Giants pick.

Why? Because size matters to the Giants. They are still early in their evaluation process and obviously haven't seen Murray at the Combine or his Pro Day yet, but in general, a team source said he's "probably a little too small" for them. They prefer to stick to the established measurables they have for a prototypical quarterback.

This should come as no shock to Giants fans, especially ardent readers of Big Blue View. It is something I have been saying for a while. Nothing we know about the Giants tells us Murray would be their guy.

First, we established that teams, scouts, GMs, everyone in fact, enters an evaluation process with pre-determined biases.

Then, we looked at what those biases were for Giants GM Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur. Gettleman’s history and his love for the guys in the trenches, his “hog mollies,” tells you he prefers size. He also prefers traditional quarterback play:

“If you can’t make plays from the pocket you can’t win,” Gettleman said during last year’s pre-draft buildup.

As for Shurmur?

I fancy guys that are tall,” Shurmur said before the 2018 draft. “You can see. Some of us are challenged in terms of height, so even in a setting like this, you’re trying to find sight lines. It’s no different for a quarterback when he is behind a very tall offensive line,” Shurmur said. “All else being equal, as long as all the skillsets are equal or maybe even a little better than equal, guys that can see have a chance to be very good.”

Our Dan Pizzuta is resigned to this, but not happy about it.

I’m going to disagree with Dan here. Maybe it’s conservative. Maybe it’s traditional. Maybe it’s not what a millennial or a Madden GM would do. It isn’t “dumb.” There hasn’t been much success lately, but the Giants’ way of doing things has gotten them four Super Bowl titles.

Murray is a highlight reel. He’s got a great arm. He’s exciting to watch running all around — at the college level. Yet, no quarterback his size has ever succeeded in the modern NFL. There is no precedent, no evidence, nothing for anyone to point to that proves drafting Murray — or any QB his size — can work. Quite simply, it’s never been done.

No one wants to get fired, and gambling your franchise’s future on Murray is taking a big (small?) risk with your employment status.

Murray might succeed somewhere, but remember what Dan Hatman told us. It’s going to have to be a place ready to fully embrace what Murray is.

“For one organization he’s [Murray] going to be a fit and they’re gonna be excited and love him up and want him to be their guy, and that’s the place he should go,” Hatman said. “That’s the best chance for him to be successful.

“If a place is institutionally biased against what he presents then that shouldn’t be where he goes. The chances of him being maximized are small.”

Like it or not, the Giants seem like an organization that is not ready for a 5-foot-9, 190-pound quarterback.

Dan Graziano of ESPN thinks Murray is a fit for the Giants, but believes it won’t happen:

Now, mark my words here: There is ZERO chance of this happening. I'll eat my socks on live TV if GM Dave Gettleman drafts a quarterback in the first round who's close to 5-foot-9. But in a hypothetical fantasy world in which the Giants, who have the No. 6 pick, occasionally broke from decades-old philosophies and patterns, this kid would fire up a locker room full of electrifying talent.

Yes, the Giants have largely done things the same way for a long time. This from former NFL executive Michael Lombardi:

Conor Orr of Sports Illustrated, a former Giants beat writer, explained what he knows of that long-held Giants grading system:

Former general manager Ernie Accorsi once explained it to me like this: "It attaches a letter grade to your number rating as a player. On a nine-point system, if you earn a seven to eight, which is very high, but you were undersized compared to the average NFL specifications according to that position's average size, they put a 'C' next to it.

So even if a player is a seven to eight, the "C" serves as a red flag. Teams would do the same thing with speed, quickness, awareness or other secondary attributes that all received letter grades. The grades would then disallow a club from choosing that player in the first round or, depending on the importance, the second round.

More than 20 years since he left the Giants and 17 years since his death, Young’s teachings are still at the core of the organization. Accorsi worked for and learned from Young, and both Gettleman and Jerry Reese learned from Accorsi.

The Giants don’t do everything the way Young did. Gettleman admitted last year that he learned some things while GM of the Carolina Panthers that he had implemented into the Giants’ scouting process.

Unlike Graziano, I won’t go on live TV and eat my socks if the Giants draft Murray. Like Graziano and others, though, I just don’t see Murray to the Giants happening. It would be a seismic shock if the Giants were to toss away their long-held belief that size matters.

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