Try as we might with this New York Giants team we can't seem to avoid it. No matter what, we always seem to come back to discussing the play of Eli Manning and the fate of Tom Coughlin.
Sunday's meltdown against Minnesota has, of course, fanned those flames anew.
In a very blunt assessment of Eli, Deadspin wonders if Manning really has improved or if that is just hopeful talk.
If Eli doesn't rebound from Sunday's four-interception disaster that will make Coughlin's job that much more difficult.
The New York Times is already wondering if Coughlin might bump The Knicks' Isiah Thomas as the New York coach on the hottest seat.
All of this gnashing of teeth is typical of the past couple of seasons. Despite the 7-4 record and the lead in the wild-card race the signs are ominous.
GM Jerry Reese, though, did his best to put a positive face on where the Giants stand at this point.
Amazing what one bad loss can cause in what otherwise has been a very enjoyable season thus far.