BBV Nation names Landeta all-time punter

by Ed Valentine on Mar 28, 2008 12:09 AM EDT in All-Time Team Comment 24 comments

In an incredibly close vote, Sean Landeta has been named as the punter on Big Blue View Nation's all-time Giants' team.

Landeta received 27 votes to 25 for current Giants' punter Jeff Feagles.

Continuing with the kicking theme, let's name the all-time Giants' placekicker next.

To help you younger guys out, going forward I will try to add some stats and biographical information on players whenever it is available.

Here are your nominees for placekicker.

• Pete Gogolak -- Gogolak was the first soccer style kicker in NFL history. He holds several Giants' kicking records: -- Giants' all-time leading scorer, with 646 points
-- Giants' franchise records for most points after touchdowns attempted (277) and made (268)
-- Most PATs in a game (eight vs. Philadelphia on Nov. 26, 1972)
-- Most consecutive PATs (133)
-- Most field goals attempted (219) and made (126).

Gogolak spent two years wit the AFL's Buffalo Bills, and was a Giant from 1966-74.

• Pat Summerall -- Yes, long before Summerall made a name as one of the best play-by-play men in NFL history he was a standout placekicker. Summerall kicked for 10 seasons in the NFL, the last four as a Giant. His best season was 1959, when he went 30-for-30 in PATs and 20-for-29 in field goals.

• Matt Bahr -- Bahr spent just three of his 19 seasons in New York. From Wikipedia: He is best remembered for his performance in the 1990 NFC Championship Game on January 20, 1991, as he set an NFC Championship Game record with five field goals (including a 42-yarder as time expired) to lift the Giants past the 49ers 15-13. He also kicked what would prove to be the decisive field goal in Super Bowl XXV on January 27, 1991, as the Giants beat the Buffalo Bills 20-19.

• Brad Daluiso -- Kicked for the Giants from 1993 to 2000. In 1994 he made all 11 field-goal attempts, and in 1996 he went 24-for-27 (88.9%).

NOTE: Click the poll at the end of the story to vote on your choice. If you don't see the poll, click 'Entry Link' and you will be taken to a page including the poll.

Poll

Who is the best placekicker in New York Giants' history?

Pete Gogolak

16 votes

Matt Bahr

21 votes

Pat Summerall

9 votes

Brad Daluiso

8 votes

54 votes | Poll has closed

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What,

no Jay Feely?

by cjmulrain on Mar 28, 2008 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pat Summerall

He kicked a game winning field goal in a huge snowstorm years ago against the skins( If I remember correctly) over 40 yards. And nobody ran out on the field illegally and plowed his spot out for him either. This was an enormous achievement given that he was a straight on kicker and the wind was blowing like hell.

Matt Bahr was lucky enough to be "the man" when the Giants were on top, but he did make the kicks when he had to.

But after a lot of thought I would have to say that having watched all of those guys, the one I always felt was the most reliable was Gogalak, though a lot of his kicks came during a time when the G-Men weren't very good. Of course that wasn't his fault but, still, we'll never know if he could have made the kick if a title game was on the line.

I think I would go with Bahr, if for no other reason than he made some of the Giants most needed kicks.

by giant fan since 57 on Mar 28, 2008 6:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Mea Culpa

It was the '58 playoff game vs. the Browns and I should have spent more time on it when I recounted the game.

The game was plalyed in a blizzard
He missed 2 FGs in the storm.
He was credited with 49 yards, but Kyle Rote was standing on the sidelines at the 50 and said it was 56. (The yard markers were covered in snow.)
Lombardi argued against letting him kick but Howell overruled him.
When he appeared in the huddle, Conerly said, "What the fuck are you doing here?" (Unitas, known for telling his coaches to go to hell, probaly would have sent him back to the bench.)
As he came off the field, Lombardi grabbed him and said, "You SOB, you know you can't kick it that far.

Any way. My vote's for Gogolak, too. He and his brother revolutionized the game as the first sidewinders in the NFL, plus the G's Gogolak was involved in the intrigue with Al Davis (when he was still brilliant) that resulted in the merger of the NFL and AFL.

by george cronin on Mar 28, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Summerall

Thanks for setting me straight on which game that was, George. I remember thinking he wold never make it but he sure as hell did.

by giant fan since 57 on Mar 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

summerall

"oh no, there's a man down!"

i love that guy.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Mar 28, 2008 6:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kickers

Stats wise I should be hard pressed not to vote for Gogolak, but Bahr was clutch. He gets my vote. Call it the Vinatieri vote.

by potroast on Mar 28, 2008 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

BTW

Summeral was the 3rd defensive end and played on special teams.

by george cronin on Mar 28, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

was Daluiso

our kicker in the Super Bowl against the Ravens? I didn't realize he was with the team as late as 2000, I always think of him as the mid-90's guy, and I have no memory of who our kicker was in that postseason.

by cjmulrain on Mar 28, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think

that was the year he blew out his knee and wrecked his career. Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but wasn't he trying to chase down Herschel Walker on a kickoff return?

by Ed Valentine on Mar 28, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hershel Walker?

Long retired if I'm not mistaken by 2000. I don't feel so bad now about not remembering the Landeta whiff :) I believe it was Deion Sanders, in play the cemented his place in my mind as one one of the most hated athletes I've seen play (right behind Reggie Miller). The worst part of it was Deion had made a ludicrously illegal forward lateral on the play and I believe Daluiso broke his leg after the lateral, breaking up the play too, and it wound up being for nothing because the play should have been dead. Well it's not like we lost that Super Bowl because of place-kicking.

Man for kicker, I feel I'm going to have to sleep on it. Obviously I never saw Summerall play, but I have a hard time not voting for him. On the other hand Matt Bahr's kick and Norwood's miss, and the obliteration of Joe Montana are my 3 favorite Giant memories as a youngster. I'm sleeping on it.

by queler on Mar 28, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i was wrong

I was his ankle, and Dallas wound up scoring on the play though it was called back. I'm pretty sure though Brad was hurt after the illegal lateral. I did come across this quote from him which was pretty funny: "I think God was looking down and said, 'Whoever that idiot is who kicked it to Deion, I'm going to blow his knee out.' That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life."

by queler on Mar 28, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's right

I knew it was one of those big-name Dallas guys.

by Ed Valentine on Mar 28, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sounds like goglak is the man

even tho i knew next to nothing about him before this post. summerall is a huge name but beyond that no one else seems to stand out.

by DieEaglesDie on Mar 28, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

my vote

To me, as a fan of NYG since 1980, the two best kickers were Matt Bahr and Raul Allegre. Both were during the Parcells era and both were clutch, something that plagued the Giants before that. While I would vote for Bahr, since he kicked five, count'em five, in that classic game, it's hard to ignore the stats of Pete Gogolak. So Goglak gets my official vote.

As a sidebar, when Daluiso was hurt versus the Cowboys, it again was a Fassel classic of kicking off, rather than squibbing, that almost cost the Giants that game. There was like three seconds left when they kicked.

www.billkohut.com

by bk0831 on Mar 28, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Allegre

Funny, in considering who to put on this list his name never even came up. Don't think that's a real injustice, though. I think he's short of the other candidates.

by Ed Valentine on Mar 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Allegre....

ET, I can't really argue your point. To me, Allegre was better than Daluiso, but it's close. I am just saying since 1980, I feel that Bahr and Allegre were the two best kickers, pound for pound (if we can say that for a kicker!)

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by bk0831 on Mar 28, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

More Raul Allegre!!

When I think of Allegre, I think of some big kicks. Classic Monday nighter in Washington, he hit several game winners in 1986, one time kicked two 50+ yarders in Philly in 1987 in a win....just was clutch. Dalusio? Good leg, maybe had good stats, but can anyone remember a big kick he made?? I can't.......maybe it's selective memory.

www.billkohut.com

by bk0831 on Mar 28, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

allegre

Ha, when I think of Raul Allegre all I can think of is that SNL sketch "We are Kickers" and Dana Carvey as Raul the "Kick Machine"

I can't believe it, I actually found a version online it's poor quality but it's still hysterical. http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c331/laurajonandkevin/?action=view&current=wearethekickers.flv

by queler on Mar 28, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Allegre

His numbers are here. I don't see anything special. I'll take Daluiso, who I always thought was a good kicker with a booming leg for kickoffs.

by Ed Valentine on Mar 28, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ET...

I see nothing especially compelling for Daluiso too. There FG% is just about the same. So I ask again, name me a big kick you remember from Daluiso? The only one that I can think of was the "wind blown" one he made to beat the Cards, and he wasn't even the regular kicker that year (it was Treadwell). I'm not saying Allegre should have been a finalist, but I think your underestimating the difference between the two.

www.billkohut.com

by bk0831 on Mar 28, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs