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Excited about the Combine? I'm not

The NFL Scouting Combine will be held in a few days, and that means the frenzy of anticipation and speculation leading to this April's NFL Draft will be kicking into high gear.

I hate all the craziness that surrounds the Combine, with players moving up and down 'draft boards' based on how high they jump, how much they lift, how fast they run and how well they perform on a batttery of psychological tests.

I think it's over-hyped, over-analyzed and over-utilized as a tool to determine which players to draft.

Don't get me wrong. The importance of getting the draft right can't be overstated when it comes to the future success of a franchise.

Look no further than your 2007 Super Bowl champion New York Giants (that still sounds incredible, doesn't it?) for an example. All eight of last year's Giants' draft picks made the team, and many played significant roles. A miss on two or three of those players and the Giants might not be champions today.

So, it's not that I don't understand the importance of scouts, general managers and coaches getting the opportunity to meet and observe players first-hand. In some cases, players from small schools who have had limited collegiate exposure can benefit from the chance to showcase themselves.

I just believe it's pure folly to base a draft choice on what a guy does in shorts, or to project that one guy will be better for your team than another because he can squat 5 more pounds in the weight room.

I believe that too much reliance by teams on what these guys do in so many settings where they aren't actually playing football leads to mistakes.

Yes, it's nice to know how fast a guy is, or exactly how big and strong he is. But, if you can't tell from watching games or watching tape that a player is stronger, faster or more instinctive than the guys he lines up against then you shouldn't be in a pro personnel position.

I believe, simply, that you judge more about a player from what he does on the field in game situations than anywhere else.

Does he make plays? Does he have good instincts? Can a defender tackle? Does he produce when a game is on the line? Does he play hard on every play? Can a receiver catch the ball in traffic? Can a back gain yards after he's been hit? Can a running back make defenders miss tackles? Can a quarterback rise to the occasion when it matters most? Does a player have the heart to compete even when things are going badly? When it's the final seconds does a kicker come through or does he shank one?

These are the kinds of questions that, to me, are more important than a player's exact physical attributes or test scores. Yes, you have to have the size, speed and strength to succeed in the NFL. But, most of all, you have to be able to play. No Combine workout can tell you whether or not a guy can do that.

So, go ahead. Watch hours of Combine workouts if you have NFL Network. Get excited by various workouts and disappointed by others. The Combine is one tool talent evaluators should use, but not the be-all and end-all.

I will give you some Combine updates during the four-day event.

Later, though, when the draft draws closer and we are down to arguing about specific guys the Giants should draft I need to hear better arguments than "he was great at the Combine."

In reality, that tells me nothing about what kind of football player a guy is.

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im psyched
then again i get to go in indianapolis every year.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 19, 2008 9:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

favorite combine story
is barry sanders showing up in converse chuck t's and cut off jean shorts.  people show up to this thing in all out track gear, its ridiculous.

by DieEaglesDie on Feb 19, 2008 9:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you
about the Combine...I'd say it's a useful tool to help decide between 2 very similar prospects, but it's ridiculous when guys who weren't very good in college shoot up the charts because they do well at the combine. It's things like the combine that lead scouts to declare Ryan Leaf will be a better pro QB than Peyton Manning.

The only good thing about it this year is that hopefully some "toolsy" prospect (to steal a baseball term) will shoot up the draft charts, leading to some good college players to fall to the Giants.

by cjmulrain on Feb 19, 2008 9:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
The combine is useful, but what a guy looks like in shorts or track gear should never completely change someone's opinion. It's what you do in games that counts. Workouts and physical tools don't necessarily translate into being a great player.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 19, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A question for my fellow fans out there.
Can anyone recall the Giants getting burned by a Mike Mamula type player?  I've been browsing the Historical Drafts page on Giants.com and nothing in that mold really jumps out at me.

by rzor on Feb 19, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes
two words:
cedric. jones.

#5 pick '96 (i think) draft?

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Feb 19, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cedric Jones
He was the #5 pick in 1996 or 1997?  I can't remember what year, but I do remember the guy was a stud in college.  At the time he held the Oklahoma career sacks mark (don't know if he still does).  Plus he did have that one year with the gmen that was solid 7 sacks in 1999.  I thought he might get past the eye issue, but never did anything after that and Fassel dropped him in 2000 post-SB.

by losangelesmets on Feb 19, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mamula
is exactly the type of guy who makes me leery of the Combine. He shot up the boards based on his workouts, and turned out to be a terrible player. The Giants have, of course, had bad draft picks but I don't remember a Mamula-style mistake.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 19, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

coaching and development
Makes a huge difference.  I do not think it is a coincidence that almost no high draft prospects developed well during the Reeves years.  

Players coming out of college are very much works in progress.  Some have already peaked, but most need two or three years of development.  

Let's not forget that David Tyree did very poorly in the combines.  He joked that some of the linemen had a better vertical leap than he did.  -  And we all know how that story is going

by NYERinSF on Feb 19, 2008 1:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tyree
Putting aside the play in the Super Bowl, Tyree has made his living as a kick coverage guy. That is less about physical skills than it is about heart and desire, which you cannot measure at the Combine by testing a guy's vertical leap.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 19, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guys
like Dave Meggett and Phil McConky wouldn't have shown too well at the Combine.  It's just one piece of the puzzle.

by giant fan since 57 on Feb 19, 2008 6:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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