Cowboys' fans still whining

by Ed Valentine on Jan 21, 2008 12:23 PM EST in News Comment 48 comments

I couldn't help myself this morning. I went looking over at SB Nation's Packers blog, Acme Packing Company, and discovered that as of yet there have been no posts regarding last night's game.

So, I wandered over to Blogging The Boys to see how Cowboys' fans were dealing with the hated Giants reaching the Super Bowl.

Let's just say they aren't taking it well. 'DHalprin,' the fine Cowboys blogger, is encouraging his readers to root for the Giants in the Super Bowl -- and many of his readers aren't taking kindly to that.

Here is a sampling of some of the comments on BTB.

"I'm getting sick of the Eli manning coming of age love-fest! I won't watch the SB cause we're so much better than the gints....It shoulda been us....but now we'll have to all listen to how great Sheli is and stupid comments from strahan for the next two weeks...wake me up before the draft...LOL"

TrueBlue24

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"The best team doesn't always win its the team that plays the best on that given day. There is no way the Giants are a better team than the Cowboys, nor the Packers for that matter, its just that they played better than those teams when they played them."

Terry

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"What? Wow, I've been going to this site for 4 years now, and have never had the inclination to post a comment. But, having Grizz cheer for Eli... man that is depressing. I hate... HATE the Patriots, but cheering for Eli would be like ripping my own soul out. I ask for sense. You NEVER... NEVER cheer for the Giants, Redskins, or Eagles. If you do you... hell I don't know, but it just doesn't seem right. I defer to Bob Sturm on the Ticket who argues that you can never ever... ever go for your rivals. F- the NFC East BS, Eli is a douche who cannot win a Super Bowl. Go (swallowing my own vomit) Patriots."

TheBrad

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"It will be useless to root for the Giants. I forsee the biggest blowout in SB history in 2 weeks, when the Giants lucky run comes to an embarassing halt. Giants aren't even close to being the best team in the NFC. They faced a very average Bucs team and both the Cowboys and Pack played very poor games against them. Giants will get crushed by the Pats and Eli's pysche will be ruined forever."

Terry

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"Go Giants??? No Cowboy fan will bring himself to utter the words GO GIANTS! Are you kidding me! Don't root for anyone, or root for the hated Patriots even before rooting for the Giants to win a game, never mind the Super Bowl. Never in a million years will I root for that team. Represent the NFC? Isn't that cute! What the hell does that even mean? C'mon, gimme a break here. I root for no one if I even watch this nightmare of a game. Thanks Favre for going into a shell. He wanted no part of that weather last night. He should retire after that stinker!"

Warden

Listening to Cowboys' fans continue to whine makes Sunday night's victory even sweeter. No matter what happens in the Super Bowl, the fact that the Giants have wrecked the off-season for many Cowboys' fans is gratifying enough.

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Didn't Terry

forfeit whatever shred of credibility he might have had when he posted last week that Romo was a better QB than both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning?

What a bunch of whining losers.

Oh, and good luck next year with your lame duck coach, and the ticking time bomb that is TO.

by drunkUncle on Jan 21, 2008 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Cowboys

I hope the Cowboys and their fans keep thinking that we're not a better team. That way when we kick their ass again it'll stay just as sweet.

by potroast on Jan 21, 2008 12:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Double bitch slap for Terry.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

by Mr Met on Jan 21, 2008 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

nice

Back in November, I was at the Dallas-Giants game at the Meadowlands, and waiting in the cold after the game for the bus back to Manhattan, I had to deal with all the cockroach-like Cowboys fans who were walking around yelling how "it's all about the 'Boys!" and taunting Giants fans.

So I'm certainly not above a bit of schadenfreude regarding the fact that Dallas still can't win a lousy playoff game while the Giants head to the Superbowl. Hee hee!

Arizona dreamin' baby!!!!

by Greenpoint Ian on Jan 21, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don't get all this hate stuff.

There are too many better things in life to hate than sports teams. I marvel at the depth of the 'boys fans hatred of the Jints. I'd certainly root for Dallas in a SB if the Giants didn't make it there, just as Rudy would root for the Sox if the Yankees didn't make to the World Series and Boston did. I thought most fans rooted for their league, conference, etc in championship games if their own team wasn't playing and I think most of you guys would, too. The deranged fanaticism displayed by these Dallas folk makes me believe they're a bunch of very sick puppies.

by george cronin on Jan 21, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ahh, George

So, now you're a psychiatrist. VERY SICK PUPPIES! I love it.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 21, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm quite serious.

The kind of negativity displayed is very destructive to individuals' psyches. Every day I see how much the world has changed for the better since I was a kid in the Depression, and for the worse. I'm reminded of Yeats ("...the worst are full of passionate intensity.") and Cormac McCarthy (No Country for Old Men.)

by george cronin on Jan 21, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's easier to hate some "other" team

than it is to hate your boss, some corporate entity that likes to pollute your drinking water, some lying politician, some girlfriend that broke up with you for no good reason or your wife who doesn't respect you, terrorism, communism, or whatever life's bigger issues are. It's like in "1984" - you need your daily 2 minutes of hate, and the Cowboys and their fans are as good a target as any.

by Mr Met on Jan 21, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hate is good

When directed at the proper places. I love reading and posting on that Cowboy site. It's like watching a delusional, dysfunctional "The Sims" family. Losing to the Giants is really eating away at them.

by BlueMe on Jan 21, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Packers fans

for the most part (I haven't looked at ACME Packing Co. today) have been pretty classy about our win, not to mention their players and coaches have, too.

I think that makes me smile.

by NYinCalifornia on Jan 21, 2008 1:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Me too

by george cronin on Jan 21, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Acme

It's amazing ... it's almost 5 p.m. on the East Coast and our Packers blogger has chosen to remain mum all day. No score, no congratulations, no acknowledgment that the game even happened. Amazing.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 21, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They Cowboys are all still better than us, right?

What? They're still hung on something that happened weeks or months ago. Talk about living in the past.
1. We shoved it down their throats before halftime, scoring a TD in less than 50 seconds.
2.Their 'Cinderella' QB choked when it counted.

They LOST to a hated, hated foe.
They were a number one seed that got crushed by a number 5 seed.
Their coaches couldn't call successful plays.
Because of their loss, they went home and we went to the NFC Championship.
Their QB is 0-2 in playoffs. Their coach has never won a playoff game.

How do you expect them to act? It's always all about them (you know the America's team BS). That was in the 90's, guys.

They were beaten by a well-known foe, one that they were 'sure' they could beat, based on the regular season.

I don't expect them to give us credit for beating them ; they live in a dream world. It always has to be about them, and when it's not, their mouths just get bigger. Who cares what they think? They are irrelevant losers at this point, whining to anyone who will listen.

by GAgiantfan on Jan 21, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Very true

It's just fun to revel in watching them continue to be miserable.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 21, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And there is your dagger!

Sorry, I know we're picking on Dallas right now, but I couldn't resist.

by drunkUncle on Jan 21, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ok, thats fine, this is your chance

So get your shots in while you can :) I'll be back.. maybe I'll be NumberTwelve next year, but mark it down.. I'll be back.

By the way, a Bears fan told me something after gloating to him that my team was making the playoffs, and his wasn't:

Win the Super Bowl or it means nothing.

"and there is your dagger!"

by NumberFour on Jan 22, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

We lost badly in '00 but it was a fun ride, and watching the beating we put on the Vikings in the NFC title game is still a fond memory.

That said, it'll be exponentially sweeter if we can close the deal.

by drunkUncle on Jan 22, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah?

no really, its the truth. just win it. or its all for naught.

"and there is your dagger!"

by NumberFour on Jan 22, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it depends on the team

and where it is in its development. The Giants gained traction from a loss to the Bears in the NFC Championship game in 1985 that carried them to the title in 1986. Considering where the Giants were at the beginning of this season, even if they get blown out in the Super Bowl - which I doubt they will, personally, but what do I know? That's why I stay away from predictions - this season will be considered a gigantic step forward for us.

Kudos for spelling "naught" correctly. Most Cowboys fans think it's "all for not" (and for them, I'm sure it is).

by Mr Met on Jan 22, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Development?

what do you "develop" a team to do? compete and take steps forward? or win super bowls?

only one game a year really means anything. the rest are just for stats.

"and there is your dagger!"

by NumberFour on Jan 22, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

you need to define what 'develop' really means for your own team; why doesn't your team go back to the drawing board? A puppet-like, no-playoff-winning coach coupled with a no-playoff-winning QB and a whiny, tear-filled star WR didn't get it done for you this season. Parcells leaving you was the worst thing that could've happened.

Don't tell us what the goal is - you are at home, watching. So do that. Watch.

There's your freakin' dagger.

by GAgiantfan on Jan 22, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

just for the record

I'm pretty sure numberfour is a Packers fan, not a Cowboys fan

That said, I strongly disagree with that "win it all or it's all for naught" comment. The Giants have been playing with house money since they beat Dallas, however this season ended after that, I would have been happy. Win or lose in 2 weeks, and it's been a very successful year, and one to build on. That 2000 team wasn't young, wasn't still a developing team, and collapsed the next year. That was their year. This team is young, and still developing. Depending on how Aaron Rodgers develops, I could see the Pack and Giants (2 of the younger teams in the league) becoming the class of the NFC and developing a nice rivalry over the next few years, kinda like what the Cowboys and Niners had in the early 90's, or the Packers and Niners in the mid 90's, or what the Colts and Pats have had over the last few years.

by cjmulrain on Jan 22, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

On behalf of Tynes and G-Men fans

I'd like to give kudos to the Green Bay equipment guy. This was an act of incredible kindness given the circumstances:

After kicking the winning 47-yard field goal in overtime Sunday, Lawrence Tynes was rewarded with a nice surprise for the plane ride home - the ball he kicked to send the Giants to the Super Bowl. Gordon "Red" Batty, head equipment manager for the Green Bay Packers, waited for an hour after the game to meet with a Giants equipment manager to deliver the ball safely to Tynes.

by Mr Met on Jan 22, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I want to win

but the mentality that says anything short of a championship is peanuts is a pretty lousy way to be as a sports fan. I've been a Yankee fan since I was 5, but those '90's teams and the mentality of championship-or-bust has made being a Yankee fan feel like a job. Ask a Patriot fan, and they might tell you the same thing.

by drunkUncle on Jan 22, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The worst thing

about being a Yankee fan is this 'you can't have a successful season without a World Series title' mentality. That means the Yankees haven't done anything worthwhile this century, and I'm pretty sure they have still had plenty of great accomplishments.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 22, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The worst thing

about being a fan is "settling" for success. I'll let you Giants fans on a little secret...

Tom Coughlin coaches your football team to win the Super Bowl. Not to beat Dallas or compete. To Win The Super Bowl - that is the end of a good season. Otherwise, you just lose.

Please don't devalue the loss you handed to the Packers by saying, Its house money, if we lose, so what, at least we tried. Thats verbal garbage and it kills me that you guys can just rest on what you've accomplished, be it by luck or by skill, and call it success. Garbage. Win the damn thing or you're just as big of a loser as everyone else in the league.

"and there is your dagger!"

by NumberFour on Jan 23, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All or nothing

In our case, the media is already saying we've peaked and that the 'perfect season' doesn't mean anything now. There are already too many articles, from CNBC, Dr. Z, Newsday's Johnette Howard, and Newsday's Shaun Powell eager to report our demise and doom us as eternal busts. (tsk, tsk) So we had a great season--so what?! So we broke a ton of records--so what?! The national media will reduce them to a mere "might have been" cautionary tale for future seasons. (A revolting scenario.)

Even Brady, whose job it is to care, mentioned on WEEI that the season would have all been for naught if they had lost to the Chargers. You are so right too about how being a fan can sometimes feel like a job. Especially when EVERYONE has been gunning to take you down since day 1.

The Boston Herald did an excellent article last week on nerve-wracked fans that was pretty funny and dead-on accurate.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jan 22, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You got it

Sure, any Dolphins fan in his right mind would trade places with you...but having everyone LOATHE AND DESPISE your team and automatically assume you're a bandwagoner takes some of the fun out of things.

And that will be enough empathy from the drunkUncle this week!

by drunkUncle on Jan 22, 2008 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, like this comment by a regular troll:

A troll quote: "I forsee the biggest blowout in SB history in 2 weeks, when the Giants lucky run comes to an embarassing halt. Giants aren't even close to being the best team in the NFC."

Just a side note: this individual had the propensity to 'forsee' many, many things that didn't happen. Heck he can't even spell "FORESEE", much less do it. LLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLL

According to this individual, we didn't win the playoff games; they lost them. Said the loser.

by GAgiantfan on Jan 21, 2008 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I have to say

If the roles were reversed, there's no way in hell I'd be rooting for the Cowboys. I know people say that whole "root for your division" thing, but I just couldn't ever do it. I could never, ever, root for the Cowboys or Eagles (I leave the 'Skins out only because I have so much respect for Gibbs...hopefully they hire some douche next year so I can get back to hating them again). So I can understand their animosity....but they need to get over the whole "we were the better team" crap. We were the better team in 2002 when we blew it against SF, but so what. They won, we lost, that's how football works.

by cjmulrain on Jan 21, 2008 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

CJ, out of curiosity, I pose this question:

If the Cowboys or Eagles were playing the Pats in the SB, would you watch the game? Would you have a preference re which team one? There has been a longstanding rivalry between the AFC and NFC. I always like to see NFC teams prevail over AFC teams, unless the AFC team is a former NFC team, like Pittsburgh. When Pittsburgh ruled the football world I took quite satisfaction in their success, sort of rooting for them unless they went up against the Giants. It broke my heart when the Jets beat the Colts.

by george cronin on Jan 21, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually

am one of the few non-Boston fans in the country who likes the Patriots. I ::gasp:: like Bill Belichick (we all seem to forget how instrumental he was in our 2 Super Bowls), and I've been a big fan of Brady's since his rookie season, I've always liked him way more than Peyton Manning. So if the Pats were playing the Cowboys or Eagles, it would be a no-brainer (I rooted HARD for the Pats when they played the Eagles 3 years ago, when I was living outside of Philly.) I'm also a fan of history, so I honestly probably be rooting for the Pats no matter who they were playing if it wasn't the Giants, since I'd want them to go undefeated (especially since I was at the season finale.) I'm also a Mets fan, so I have no general dislike for anything Boston the way most Giants/Yankees fans do.

As for the whole AFC-NFC thing, maybe it's because I'm younger and I wasn't around for the NFL-AFL war, but to me there's not much difference between the conferences. And since everyone else in my family are Jets fans, and when I was growing up the NFC OWNED the AFC, I've always looked at the AFC as the harmless kid brother league, even if they've been doing better lately. I have a weird hierarchy of teams I like, with the Giants way at the top, and the Eagles/Cowboys way at the bottom, with the other teams in the middle based on coach likability, star player likability, and other random factors. Ok, sorry for that long rant...I doubt anyone will even see it since it's like the 4th article down on the page now haha.

by cjmulrain on Jan 22, 2008 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I get it, cj

The afc/nfc may be an age thing, although I suspect at least some youger folk still favor teams from one conference over the other. Here's another way of coming at this--the days in the eighties-nineties when for ten years the NFC east was by far the best division in football. If another team from the division was in the SB, pride in the division itself dictated to me that I root for the

The Afc/Nfc thing probably means lees for younger guys than antediluvians like me (although I'm sure there are some young guys who feel as I do.)
Here's a different slant on the issue--the glory years in the eighties and nineties when the NFC east was clearly the best division in football, winning seven out of ten SBs. Pride in the division itself made choosing a team to root for in a SB involving an NFC East team other than the Giants a no-brainer for me. By default, it was always the NFC east squad.

by george cronin on Jan 22, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that makes sense

I mean, I HATE the Cowboys and Eagles, and I wouldn't root for them, but if they DO win, I'm at least a little proud, because it shows the division is good. Like, the past 2 years have been awesome, b/c both years 3 teams have gotten into the playoffs (and the Giants have been one of them). Like, in retrospect, that stretch from 1986-1995, when the only non-NFC East team to win a Super Bowl was the Niners (of course, they won 3), was pretty awesome. But coming of age when the Cowboys owned the Giants and won 3 straight titles was pretty hard to accept, especially as Simms and LT were retiring.

And I definitely get where you're coming from, because in baseball, I would almost never root for an American League team. I'm an NL guy, and the only time I would root for an AL team is if they were playing the Phillies.

by cjmulrain on Jan 22, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you, cj.

by Mr Met on Jan 22, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry guys

i only pay attention to comments from fans that root for teams that have won a playoff game in the past decade.

you have the most overrated franchise in professional sports. what a colossal embarassment it is to have not won a playoff game since he mid-90's. you should concentrate more on wiping the egg off of your faces after that choke-job against us and spend less time whining about who the better team is.

you jumped on the bandwagon growing up either in the 70s or 90s and guess what...it's time to find a new bandwagon!

you guys fucking suck, and you've sucked for years. eat shit and enjoy the offseason with a QB and a coach that have won absolutely nothing in their collectively pathetic careers.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 21, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

wow

"i only pay attention to comments from fans that root for teams that have won a playoff game in the past decade" - lmao that's priceless, SBaker....

As Ray Barone once said to his lovely wife Debrah (and I now say to Cowpoke fans), "How is it when the shoe is on the other foot? Nice and smelly, is it?!"

That's clsssic. Ed, that deserves a 'quote of the week' spot at some point.

by GAgiantfan on Jan 21, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get it

We are truly the bumbling Rodney Dangerfield of the league we will never get respect but, all the hatred by the cowboy fans makes it that much sweeter. Terry is actually sitting around still stewing? Tijuana is beautifull this time of year but then again the frozen tundra is beatiful in my eyes at this point.

by big blue wrecking crew on Jan 21, 2008 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

hahah

not the thoughtful discourse I usually come to BBV for, but I can't stop giggling at SBakers post :) Someone talk Terry down off the ledge.

by queler on Jan 21, 2008 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

you stay classy, new york

gotta love it...the giants make the superbowl and giants fans spend their energy worrying about the cowboys and searching the web for places to gloat and trash talk on other teams websites.

personally i don't care who wins the superbowl, but i know i won't be back to this site to hear you ladies bitch and moan regardless of whether you win or lose.

by anderballs on Jan 21, 2008 9:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Gosh we're going to miss your

insightful commentary too. How will we ever get along without it?

by Mr Met on Jan 21, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Ball-less

Worried about the Cowboys? That's just hilarious.
Who here is worried about the Cowboys? Hmmmm NO ONE. We just enjoy the fact that there's no more lovefest for Romo, and it's eating them up. You seem bitter yourself. Cowboys fan?

By the way, I haven't searched the web for places to gloat and trash talk on other teams' websites. And most of the trolls that come here (ahemmmm) couldn't keep up with verbiage on here anyway. And by the way, verbiage is not a vegetable.

Who cares about what you care about?

There's no way we'll make it without you. Please come back.

by GAgiantfan on Jan 22, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry I'm Late

Congratulations! Your team beat my team, although it was damn close. Below is my comment to ETVal's diary at AcmePackingCompany.com:

I'm bummed, but I've got stuff to say and I'm not intentionally hiding out. After I watched the game, I had to drive for three hours to get home (visiting fellow Packer fans in a different state), I was way too tired to post Sunday night (late Monday morning when I got home I guess), had to work Monday, just getting around to it late Monday (now I see it's technically very early Tuesday). Actually I'll have a couple posts about the game.

by Brandon on Jan 22, 2008 3:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

for stopping by. Had to have a little fun with you.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 22, 2008 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No offense...

but why would anyone expect the Cowboys fans to be taking it well? In fairness to the above link and post, there seems to be a majority pulling for the Giants (mostly due to hatred for Pats from what I can tell) and only a few recurring posters hating on the Giants.

What Giants fans should expect from Cowboys fans is respect. Not that Boys fans want the Giants to go all the way or anything else...just respect and acknowledgement that the Giants are the better team. Just so you know, you're getting that here in Dallas via several BTB posts, other Cowboys blogs, talk radio and local TV. What more do you want? I live in Dallas and think the overwhelming sentiment since Sunday night is you can't really argue anymore about the Giants being the best in NFC. When you beat a #1 and #2 seed, you're not hot...you're the better team.

by Eric33 on Jan 22, 2008 11:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

thanks

and I agree with you. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't be taking it well if the Cowboys had beaten the Giants, so I don't think we should expect you guys to take it well when we beat you. That's the nature of sports. Plus, if all of you were taking it well, it wouldn't make it as much fun to trash talk when we kick your asses again next year ;)

by cjmulrain on Jan 22, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Had the Giants lost to the Cowboys

I know we wouldn't be talking about "house money" and all, but I'd still consider it somewhat of a successful season. I guess it would depend on how we lost, but let's just say that on the last play Romo threw a TD instead of an INT. We all know anything can happen on one play. Should the outcome of that one play really affect the meta-view of the team? Probably not, in reality. Coughlin would be getting killed for being so conservative on the last 2 offensive series but he'd be coming back next year in any event.

The fact that we at least had Eli's (and Tom's) first playoff win under our belts, you could say it was an improvement over previous years, though clearly not what we would have hoped for. We would have retooled the secondary some more but presumably still been in good position to compete next year.

The wins over the Cowboys and Packers have been thoroughly delicious though, and with their newfound confidence and these wins to build on, I hope the Giants are going to be an elite NFL team for years to come.

by Mr Met on Jan 22, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs