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Miguel Maysonet?

2013-05-20T17:31:11Z

Should giants pursue the explosive Stoney Brook product? Eagles recently released him, most likely because after the signing of Felix Jones, Double M's would have found himself way down the depth chart. Before Eagles signed him, Big Blue did express interest. He worked out for them on pro day for local prospects. With over 1900 yds rushing & 21 TD's, its surprising he wasn't drafted in 4th or 5th rd like i thought he would go. When MM became an UDFA, I had him high on the rankings list & hopeful G-men would snatch him up. Unfortunately, he went to our rivals. Now his very short Eagles career over, should Giants look to add him?

It's a business

2013-05-15T00:29:24Z

the reason that victor's contract is taking so long is because it's a business , and it is good business on victor's part to try and get every dollar he can , but he has no leverage this year and that's why the giants won't increase their offer to him , The upper brain trust have been through this a few time's and understand fully that it's victor's job to ask for the most but he needs to be realistic whatever he loses in the contract he signs and it will be a lose for him , he will make up in endorsements for years to come , so please victor just sign the long term deal , if you don't think of this what good is you getting 10 mill a yr and playing on a god awful team , when u can take less and have a few more weapons to go along with you ? take the long term deal and win another superbowl and u will be able to write a check for yourself in this city that will last forever I.E MICHAEL STRAHAN ON THE TODAY SHOW ! OR BE TERRELL OWENS AND TRYING TO BE A PRO BOWLER .

Get David Wilson in Space

2013-05-11T18:43:12Z

Hi All,

I've been a loyal BBV reader since 2010, but just created my personal account a couple weeks ago. Today I finally posted my first comment, and thought why not splurge with a Fan Post! please note I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm not a writer or a film guys by any means and I'm doing this from my poor mans phone . While others are focused on rookies.I'm still pondering over the potential of last years first round draft pick David Wilson and the difference he can make if used to his skill sets. Of course his future rides heavily on our O-line, health,KG and of.course himself.

I'm probably not alone when I believe Wilson probably won't be making a living running between the tackles in 2013. Over the last few years I have lost faith in our O-lines ability to make holes or contain leverage at the point of attack. Getting to the edge won't be an issue for DW, but can it be sealed? With David "I still have a job? really!!? Dehil possibly starting the season at RT. we would need to run left 100% of the time. Don't get me wrong I do see a future with the Giants O-line running game just not for 2013.

So If he won't to getting to the edge often or slicing through holes in the middle where is DW gonna earn his pay check? In space! KG needs to be game planning to get this kid in the open field. I hope to see screens and Wilson to be Eli's #1 check down receiver. DW speed is no secret and if we start getting him the ball teams will have to game plan and respect his speed opening up the middle of the field and the deep ball. If used correctly I see Wilson with a break out sophomore season and in the running for most yardage from scrimmage for 2013.

I know, iknow I'm way ahead of myself and we have lots going on before the season starts, but I've been thinking about this all off-season. Please let me know what you think. Will Wilson have as big of a role as I'm hoping? Can the Giants run a screen successfully?

Thanks for listening,

Hi All,

Thanks for listening,

victor cruz

2013-05-11T02:02:22Z

is it just me or is Cruz contract taking forever to be final, as a huge giants fan i would hate to see Cruz leave for just a little bit of money, but i k now for a fact that he will not leave because everyone is saying they know before preseaon they will have signed a contract on him, and im hoping they dont becaused we can not lose any more players!!!! and i must say just to add a little more, that our Rookies this year will do pretty well, i cant wait to see our qb that we drafted on the field next to Eli, i hope he can be the back up and, and David the 3rd string!

Our Tight Ends.

2013-05-09T02:51:55Z

This is my first shot at one of these. I seriously have no idea what I`m doing or even what the rules are so please be patient. I would like to talk about our Tight Ends and also get some opinions. I was watching a piece about the Cowboys new draft pick and how they will now be able to run two tight sets more often. The basic premise was that they would now become more like the Patriots of the NFC East. I can see the point that was being made, but I guess my question would be to all of you guys is don`t you think we can do the same kind of things? I certainly am not saying we have a Jason Witten on our team, but we did sign a legitimate receiving threat in free agency. We also have one of the best Tight End coaches in the NFL working with what was said to be a very physically gifted player in Robinson. So I guess my question would be is why can`t we do similar things here, and do you guys think that the Tight Ends in Dallas are going to add so much as to push them to another level this season? I had the same thoughts for this offense, if two TE`s ever got involved I think it would be scary. What do you guys think? Do you see it happening?

From The Editor's Desk: A Brief Announcement

2013-05-08T17:58:59Z

I will be away from Big Blue View for the next few days. Without going into detail let's just say I would much rather be heading to rookie mini-camp, which I did last year.

Jesse Bartolis and Kelsey O'Donnell will take good care of you the next few days, with some help if needed from the SB Nation NFL news desk. Anything you see from me the next couple of days (like the mini-camp preview that will run Friday) is already written and scheduled.

See ya in a few days!

I will be away from Big Blue View for the next few days. Without going into detail let's just say I would much rather be heading to rookie mini-camp, which I did last year.

See ya in a few days!

Film Study: Damontre Moore DE, New York Giants

2013-05-06T18:27:49Z

For my final film study, I decided that I want to take a look at the Giants' 3rd round draft pick: DeMontre Moore.

Background

Going into the draft process DaMontre Moore (also know as "DaMonster") was considered to be one of the top 2 Defensive End prospects in the country with Bjoern Werner, and often mocked in the top-5 picks. At Texas A&M Moore spent 2 years as a successful OLB in their 34 defense (first backing up Von Miller then starting after Miller was drafted by Denver). Then following A&M's switch to the SEC and a 43 scheme, Moore switched to DE.

However, a mixed combine performance and negative reports with respect to his off-field work ethic caused a massive fall from a potential top 5 pick to just barely being in the top-100.

The Numbers

As a true Freshman and Sophomore at OLB (Big 12)

112 Total Tackles

24 TFL's

14 Sacks

1 INT

7 FF's

As a Junior DE (SEC)

85 Total Tackles

21 TFL's

12.5 Sacks

1 FF

Combine Results

Age: 20

Height: 6'4"

Arm Length: 34.5"

Weight: 260lbs

40 Time: 4.84 seconds

Bench Press: 12 reps (19 at Pro Day, Floyd repped 17 despite having 40lbs on Moore and 31" arms)

Vertical: 35.5" (#4 at DE's)

Broad Jump: 10'2" (#4 among DE's)

3-Cone drill: 7.08 seconds (#9 among DE's, better than Ansah)

Short Shutte: 4.33 seconds (T-#4 among DE's, better than Dion Jordan)

All of this suggests a couple things to me:

1) While even Moore acknowledges that his preparation is lacking, his effort on the field is beyond repute

2) Despite getting tagged with "Under Performing" at the combine, when you look past the "bro" drills, even with his lack of preparation he is an elite athlete, particularly with respect to lower body explosion and short area movement.

3) If he is able to mature and apply the same effort off the field as on, Moore could be a special player.

Now, on to the field!

Pre-Snap

Obviously, the first thing to look for before the snap is what the deuce the team is doing. In this case, that means identifying the scheme and alignment. Is the defense playing 4-3 or 3-4? From there, what is the player you're watching doing? For Moore that will be looking to see if he's at OLB, DE, or DT, and which side of the D he's playing on. Finally, I want to see how he settles into his stance. Are his ankles/knees/hips flexible? Is he coiled like a spring or just kinda there?

Post Snap

The first I look for here is his first step. How well does he time the snap and does he explode off the ball? Next I want to see how his awareness is; how does he respond to play fakes, see hand-offs, and identify double teams? From there I look to see how he uses his body: Is he flexible enough to bend around the corner? Can he use his length well? How about his hands? Does he have any pass-rush moves. Assuming there is a next, I want to see how he closes on the ball carrier and whether or not he tackles. Finally, I want to see his motor. Does he give up on a play that's going the other way? Does he quit if the OL beats him?

Damontre Moore vs Alabama 2012 (via JPDraftJedi)

I chose this game because, quite frankly 'Bama had an NFL quality line. The fact that A&M had a good but undersized defense, and does not have NFL starters at every position puts Moore at a disadvantage. I want to see how he responds.

0:00-0:10) Moore lines up at LDE with A&M showing blitz. Turns out to be a run play to the other side. Moore reads the play and starts scraping across the line to help, but the tackle is made quickly.

0:11-0:18) Moore is lined up at RDE, with A&M once again showing blitz. Moore gets a nice jump off the ball, but the LT does a nice job to recover and block out Moore while the QB scrambles.

0:19-0:37) Moore lines up at LDE this snap. Running play. Moore sees the run and does a great job penetrating the line (leaving Fluker on the ground), but whiffs on the tackle allowing a big gain. Could have been a really nice play.

0:38-0:46) Lined up at LDE again. Does a nice job dealing with the chip block, then hurdles the attempted cut block. Takes second too long see that the QB still has the ball and just misses the sack. QB throws the ball away though. Nice play by Moore.

0:47-0:54) Lined up at LDE in a 34 set. Moore gets a great jump off the ball wand uses a nasty little spin move to beat the block and work around the trash to a hole on the other side of the line. Once again he's a beat late to get the sack but the QB throws an INT. Another nice play.

0:55-1:02) Lined up at RDE this play. Not a great jump off the ball, and he tries an inside move. Not much room to get through and the QB gets rid of the ball quickly anyway. Moving on.

1:03-1:13) Lined up at LDE. A&M starts out by showing a 43 look, then one of the "DTs" stands up to make it a 34, then they bring the heat with a blitz. Moore gets a very nice jump off the ball and uses his length very well to keep Fluker from even getting a piece of him. Drives Fluker back and slips him to hit the QB as he throws. Almost a pick or sack. Nice play by Moore.

1:14-1:26) Similar alignment to last play. Moore gets a nice jump off the ball and is basically unblocked. But, he rushes to the outside and the play is a run up the middle. Nothing to see here.

1:27-1:35) Lined up at RDE. Collapses inward off the snap. The RB tries to jet behind him, but Moore somehow manages to disengage from the blocker and snag the RB preventing a big run. Can't call a 7 yard run a great play by the D, but Moore was pretty impressive here.

1:36-1:44) Lined up at LDE. Gets a decent jump on the snap, but doesn't stay low and use his length. Fluker gets into Moore's body and Moore can't disengage to make the tackle. Poor play.

1:45-1:51) Lined up at LDE again. Moore deals with the TE chip well but its a running play to the other side. Not much here.

1:52-2:00) Lined up at RDE. Moore drops into coverage on the zone blitz and winds up covering the TE. He does a nice job. Its obviously not his forte though.

2:01-2:16) Lined up at RDE. Moore gets a great jump off the snap, but the LT does a great job of fending him off. Moore does have the wherewithal to get his hands up to try to influence the pass, and great hustle to get off the block to make the tackle on the checkdown pass.

2:17-2:25) Moore is lined up as the RDE in the 34 set. Tries to bull-rush the LT, and does a decent job of driving him back into the QB's face, but the pass gets off quickly to the RB near the 1st down marker.

2:26-2:34) Moore is lined up at LDE this time. Running play to the other side, but Moore does a very nice job of scraping along the line to make the tackle along the right sideline after a short gain.

2:35-2:45) Lined up in at LDE in the 43 again. Running play up the middle and Moore can't quite get off the block to really influence the play much.

2:46-2:49) Same alignment as the last 2 plays. Running play to the right side, and Moore can't fight through the trash to get there.

2:50-2:59) Lined up at LDE again. This is a bit confusing. It looks like once the RB goes out for the chip, Moore drops in coverage on him while still being blocked by the RT, so it looks like he's getting double teamed by the RB and RT. Long pass by the QB though. Moore immediately starts hustling down the field though.

3:00-3:10) Moore is lined up at LDE. Running play. Moore initially does a good job dealing with the RT and not giving up the edge, but gets pancaked when he thinks the RB makes the cutback.

3:11-3:20) Lined up at LDE. Initially bites on the play-action, but quickly realizes that the QB still has the ball. Shows a really nice closing burst to hit the QB as or just after he throws the ball. Big hit.

3:21-3:28) LDE once again. Moore does a great job of getting through the OL, but its a running play to the other side and Moore isn't a factor.

3:29-3:35) Lined up at RDE and once again a running play to the other side. Moore takes the angle to cut off the long run but the RB is tackled before he gets far.

3:36-3:44) Lined up at LDE. Moore gets a very nice jump off the ball, but gets blocked out by the RT and RB. The ball is out before he can start to work through/around to the QB.

3:45-3:53) Lined up at RDE this snap. Moore doesn't give up the edge then hustles to try to help after the cutback.

3:54-4:04) Lined up at RDE again. Tries for an inside move and uses a decent spin move to counter and beat the LT. Doesn't quite get there in time. But, it falls incomplete.

4:05-4:25) Lined up at LDE this time. Moore gets a nice jump off the snap and is unblocked. He's in the backfield fast and does a great job in pursuit to help make the tackle behind the LOS.

4:26-4:35) Lined up at LDE in the 34 with A&M showing blitz. Moore gets a nice jump, but the LT pushes him past the pocket. Shows some nice motor to keep trying to work towards the QB.

4:36-4:43) Lined up at RDE with 3 down linemen again. Tries to go outside, but gets blocked right out of the play. No bueno here.

4:44-4:51) Lined up at LDE with 4 down linemen. Moore gets a good jump off the snap and does a great job getting past his block to help make the tackle behind the LOS. Great play.

4:52-4:59) Lined up at RDE with 4 down linemen. Moore initially bites on the play-action but figures it out really quickly and does shows a great burst to get to the QB and uses his length really well to make the sack. Great play.

5:00-5:12) Lined up at RDE with 3 down linemen and 1 inside blitzer. He tries to go outside and gets pushed past the pocket. Stays with the play but the LT handles the counter move well.

5:13-5:21) Moore lines up at RDE with 3 down linemen and 3 blitzers. Moore tries to split the LG and LT, but gets caught in what amounts to a triple team with too many rushers going through the same gap.

5:22-5:40) Lined up at RDE in the 43. Moore does a great job off the snap and hustles hard to stay with the running play to the other side to make the tackle from behind. It was took him a while to work through the trash, but shows a really nice motor

5:41-5:54) Moore lines up as the MIKE linebacker in the 43. He drops in coverage but isn't a factor in the play. File this under "Things that make you go 'huh'".

5:55-6:15) Lines up at LDE. Running play to the other side, but Moore hustles to try to help with the tackle, but the ball comes out before he gets there.

6:16-6:22) Lined up at LDE in the 43. 'Bama's line does a great job forming the pocket and he can't do anything.

6:23-6:28) Moore is lined up at LDE. The LT handles him well and he isn't a factor in the play.

6:29-6:39) Moore lines up a the RDE. Stunts inside but gets held badly by the LG. Manages to get off the block and get back to the play to make the tackle. Would have liked to see him hustle just a bit more, but it did look like the RB was about tackled.

6:40-6:49) Lined up at LDE. Moore gets a nice jump off the snap, but its a quick pass to the other side. He really isn't a factor, and there isn't time to see if he can get past the RT.

6:50-6:56) Moore lines up at LDE again. He gets a nice jump off the ball and initially beats the RT. That turns into a double team with the RG, and then the RG and C. Moore almost manages to fight through it all but the ball gets out before he gets there.

6:57-7:05) Lined up at RDE. Moore does a great job getting a jump off the snap but gets hit with the chip block

7:06-7:15) Lined up at LDE. Does a great job getting past the RT after the initial block to get to back and help get the QB down behind the LOS

7:16-7:33) Lined up at RDE. Moore gets a great jump off the ball and beats the LT. However, the LT holds him badly preventing the sack. He then gets enough of a block on Moore to keep him from sacking the QB again as he scrambles.

Final Thoughts

THIS is the pickup I'm most excited about. Watching he his tape, it doesn't matter who Moore is up against, he impacts the game. He has a natural feel for the game, great pass rushing abilities, and is a very solid run defender as well. He knows how to time the snap and how to use his length to his advantage.

Also watching his tape gives me hope that he can harness his talents and refine them on the practice field, in the gym, and in the film room. He plays HARD. I never really saw him take a play off. That says to me that he loves the game, but has never really had to work at it before. Well that's going to change. He's not going to wake up the best player on the field anymore. He's not going to be able to to coast on natural ability. The guys he's going to be around are too good and Coughlin simply won't stand for it.

Now. Where does he fit in? This year I think Moore is 'simply' going to be a situational pass rusher and ST'er. I think we could see him lining up at DE or a stand-up blitzer. If he flashes bright enough he might see some time spelling JPP or Tuck, but for the most part I think the only time we'll see Moore in 2013 is in 2nd and 3rd and longs when they want to pin their ears back and put the QB on the ground.