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Do people not realize how good Osi is?


There is this constant demand to trade Osi, or even just get rid of him in anyway possible. If anybody defends him then they get blasted for wanting to waste money or whatever. I don't think people realize just how good the guy has been for the Giants. I hope to shoot down some of the arguments as to why this guy should be given up for just about nothing.

All stats obtained from:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

1. Durability

Supposedly Osi is injury prone. The numbers just don't reflect that. Osi has played in 8 seasons, which means he has been eligible for 128 regular season games. He has played in 113 of those games, which is 88% of the total games. He only missed significant time in 2006 and 2011, and missed the 2008 season. Justin Tuck has played for 7 seasons that is 112 games. He has played in 96 of those games or 86%. Strahan played in 90% of the games in the seasons he played. Yup Osi has a durability issue doesn't he.

2. Giants career numbers.

Have any of you check Osi's numbers? Well I have.

Sacks - Osi is 4th on the Giants career sack list behind Strahan, LT, and Leonard Marshall. He has 69 Sacks. Tuck has 45.5 and is 7th on the Giants all time list.

Fumbles - Osi has 30 forced fumbles, #1 all time for the Giants. Granted those numbers have only been recorded for a little while, but that is still awesome.

3. Numbers vs his peers

Osi is 13th on the active list for sacks. I couldn't find a place to figure out how he ranks in sacks from 2003-2011.

Those numbers show he deserves to be payed. I know people will say, "he is the 3rd DE on this team". WHO CARES!! He is a top flight, close to elite DE that the Giants need to find a way to keep. Why would you ever show this guy the door when he is still at or very near the top of his game?

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Are you not counting the 16 games he missed in 2008? Did you leave those out because he missed the whole season?

If you count those games then his percentage is 74%. He got paid for 2008 so we have to count those games.

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by nywins46 on Feb 9, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

I will give you this though...

Osi gets after the QB and has a nose for the ball. I like Osi but I just don’t think he sees things the way Reese does. If he can get more money elsewhere then the Giants will let him walk.

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by nywins46 on Feb 9, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He changed along with the rest of the team around the Jets game

They all did, to more of a “one for all” outlook. Ever since then he has been lethal, clutch, and a leader.

Leader, the kind that separates us from the rest of the pack.

Btw, he also freed up most of the line against NE, they had to double him most of the 2nd half

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by Commander Prime on Feb 9, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

They have been doubling Osi for years.

If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.

by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 10, 2012 6:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

NYG need to keep OSI

He leaves it all on the field and causes turnovers. Vital part of the game. It’s moving to the pass first mode & the more the merrier pass rushers the better. Helped us win 2 Superbowls.

by NYG1960 on Feb 12, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Season ending injury

I didn’t count a lost season due to injury. Injury prone is more related to missing games every season rather then one catastrophic injury or major surgery that is recovered from. Osi did play 2 full seasons after that lost season. I would ask is a guy like Brady injury prone because he missed one season?

by Ualtar on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No...I can see where you are coming from now.

Injury prone isn’t the same as a catastrophic injury…I agree with that.

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by nywins46 on Feb 9, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

I was also wondering why you didnt count that season

Eli Manning is the opposite of Lebron James. If you ask Lebron for change for a dollar, he only gives you 75c because he doesnt have a fourth quarter. When Eli asks for change, he only takes one quarter because thats all he's gonna need.

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by ChuckyofNorris on Feb 10, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I think your point is true

But you can’t do that with stats. You could say a guy is injury prone if he goes on IR, and then that missed season is counted while Tuck playing thru injuries isn’t. It skews the numbers to make your point.

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by trueblue63 on Feb 10, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

He did include 2008.

If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.

by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 10, 2012 6:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Nope he didn't

It definitely skews the numbers

I’d say ignoring an entirely lost season has to be accounted for. That’s an arbitrary decision that helps his % of games played. (note arbitrary doesn’t equal illogical, but stats based on arbitrary decisions are usually flawed)

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by trueblue63 on Feb 10, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Lets say he played 2 games in 08 then week 3 went on IR? Why would that count and a training camp injury not count?

by BLUEYOU on Feb 10, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

JPP Tuck Kiwi

is not bad either.. do not forget about the interior either!

by BLUEYOU on Feb 10, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

He's great.

JPP is cheaper and can at worst be as valuable. Tuck’s the leader and the more complete DE.The problem is that we have too many talents to pay and not enough space to do it. Osi is making too much for a 3rd DE. I love what he brings to the team but we need the space badly.

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by Drizzzy on Feb 9, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Rec'd. He is an elite pass rusher, the dline kicked it up into high gear when he came back healthy

We need to keep him somehow, if he makes too much noise about not getting the deal he wants then i really dont know what to do with him, It would be heartbreaking for me to see him go. He has been one of my favorite players on the defense ever since we drafted him and thank Tebow Accorsi didnt trade him for Eli.

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by JasonPierrePwned on Feb 9, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

+72

Osi is a game changer.if he goes we will regret it!

by hit_hard on Feb 9, 2012 10:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

With money, same as erbody else. ;-)

That is for Reese to figure out. His track record with getting the best deal for the team, as well as keeping the player and the locker room happy gives me alot of confidence that he will continue to make good decisions.

I want Osi on the team next year.

Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
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by tommy d. on Feb 11, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

This

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 11, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

We don't win in GB without Osi.

He makes this team better. There is no questioning this. And, as has been the philosophy of this organization for some time now, you can never have enough pass rushers.

You down wit JPP?
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by Flynner on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

You can never have enough pass rushers...

If the Giants really believe that (which I believe they do) then they will find a way to keep Osi in blue.

I think Reese is playing this well. He didn’t need to pay Osi more last season (we saw the proof of that) because Osi was under contract and if he wants money either here or someone else he needed to play at a high level to be in position to ask for a raise.

Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!

by nywins46 on Feb 9, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

The Giants can keep him without paying him more. It would probably involve giving him an extension with some kind of guaranteed money in the form of a bonus.

by Ualtar on Feb 10, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

this

Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)

by tommy d. on Feb 11, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 11, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot of players are going to want more $ after a SB win.

This is part of the reason teams don’t repeat. JR will not open up them flood gates..

Word is JPP and Cruz are seeing dollar signs. Making improvement to the younger/budding stars contract makes a ton of sense (u save $ in the long run) .. This will not be happening for a vet looking for a final pay day.. Osi will more then likely play out his deal,and we will get a 3rd rounder next yr in his departure.. unless a team steps up with a nice package for him…(possible being as FA isn’t chuck full of good DEs)

Enjoyed the ride but this is more then likely Osi’s Swan Song..

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by Troy O on Feb 9, 2012 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

JPP is under contract until 2015

So he’s getting nothing. Cruz may get an extension – next year. We are over the salary cap and need to cut someone. Osi’s contract, with 1-year left and a low signing bonus, is easy to get rid of.

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by ct17 on Feb 9, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Cruz is looking to get paid this yr..

It may make sense to do so being as they have some leverage in the fact that this is his 1st productive yr and he would appreciate the love …….. extend him for 2 more yrs at a reasonable rate and avoid the monster payday of 2013.

Same same apply’s for JPP after next yr.

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by Troy O on Feb 10, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

so what? he's still udner contract

he can’t just not play. that would be desean jackson like and Cruz is anything but.

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by Drizzzy on Feb 10, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

i mean id love to extend him NOW

but we’re low on space

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by Drizzzy on Feb 10, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

In Reese I trust.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 10, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Put Reese on money

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 10, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Simple as that, his record gives us that luxury.

Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)

by tommy d. on Feb 11, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny things can happen to a man dollar signs come into play

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by rich316 on Feb 11, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

If they extend him midseason, that would keep him off this year's cap

I’m looking for a longer extension, 5 years or so. You don’t want to let a guy off contract in the middle of his career.

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by ct17 on Feb 10, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions  

But that is exactly what happened with Osi to begin with

gave him a front loaded deal in his 3rd year.. and now, we are hearing he isnt getting paid enough… He is and was already paid for this past year and next. 41 million dollars over 6 years. More than I will make in a lifetime. He was also paid 41 mil and sat on the bench for a year. so if you factor it out, he has made an average of 10 million per year.

HOW IS THIS NOT A TOP 5-10 DE PAYCHECK???

Everybody looks for the now, conviently forgetting the past. Is Osi paid like the Elite DE’s, YES. He was paid to be an Elite DE 5-6 years ago. He should honor his contract and play the game.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 10, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Rehabbing your ass off to get back into game shape

Is NOT sitting around on the bench…

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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

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by wangstu13 on Feb 11, 2012 5:33 AM EST up reply actions  

And JPP's deal is worth twice what a rookie contract would be now.

He got 11.6mm to walk in the door. He can wait one more year at least.

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by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

pretty much what i said

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 10, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

we should get more money after a super bowl win

i mean, were the ones who endured exponential increases in blood pressure for the whole season

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by nyg94 on Feb 10, 2012 7:07 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 10, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Noted

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 11, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't expect to see JPP

get a new deal until the final year of his contract, assuming his high level of production continues, which is a safe assumption.

If we look at Reese’s history, that’s how he handles the Giants top players. It’s how he gets team friendly deals that make the players happy as well.

Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)

by tommy d. on Feb 11, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Ualtar!

Osi has been getting a bad rap for years here at BBV. He has done nothing but produce EVERY time he takes the field. Stevie Wonder can see this. Your post details many of the reasons why I love Osi and want him to retire a Giant. Rec.d!!!

If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.

by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 10, 2012 6:47 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I like the positives of Osi

but I hate the negatives… rushes himself out of the play most the time, gets mauled badly by high end tackles, can’t stop the run to save his life, and his being on the team pushes JPP into the DT spot at times. If they can give him a contract extension that is reasonable and he wants to be a situational pass rusher, I am fine with him staying. Saying things like he is a top 5 DE and wants another big contract (when he is getting old) is not conducive to him being a smart re-sign/extension to make, especially given the bad cap situation the Giants are in.

We will have to wait and see what Osi wants, but he is pretty much a goner, given the other areas that require upgrades/re-signs.

by brisulph on Feb 10, 2012 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

Osi took guaranteed money over bigger money in 2005

The Giants ARE keeping him, he’s under contract.

One of the things which makes football so interesting is you usually don’t have fans clamoring to just throw money at the team because of the salary cap. The Giants will address their needs, handle their free agents then see if they can work out something to keep Osi a Giant the rest of his career.

If all Osi wanted was a bunch of people saying how great he was on blogs, we’d be happy to oblige. However a lot of us remember how Strahan’s carping about his contract constantly during 2002 camp resulted in Tiki calling him out and the chemistry in the locker room being destroyed.

http://static.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/0321/1355387.html

Osi’s a great player and I hope he’s always a Giant, but in JR I trust.

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by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 7:59 AM EST reply actions  

And already JPP's gotten involved in this

How long before somebody asks JPP: “If Osi gets what he wants and that means you have to play out the next three years of your rookie deal before you get a raise, are you OK with that?”

What is JPP gonna say and who’s gonna get pissed off?

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by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that few want to see Osi leave

Some would overpay to keep him, which I tend to disagree with. It’s not Osi, I believe that NFL teams are built at least partly on value contracts. You can’t overpay guys because the cap will punish you over time.

Some would see him traded, because they figure that he’s going to walk at the end of his contract, and a 2nd or first round pick now is better than getting nothing for him.

Some would like to see him extended, but at terms that are good for the team and Osi. (that’s me). I think Osi is elite at getting after the passer, but it’s been a long time since he sealed the edge with authority. He doesnt bull rush and make it easier for other guys.

We’re better with Osi, but not if his contract means we have to cut or lose other important guys. Would we be better off with Osi, but cutting Canty and replacing him with an UDFA? I doubt it. That’s what Osi’s top 5 demand equates to.

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by trueblue63 on Feb 10, 2012 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

Agree

Reese will be looking at this as part of the total picture, including the salary cap; I see comments elsewhere that the Giants don’t have a lot of cap room.
There’s a saying in baseball that it’s better to trade someone a year too early than a year too late. As R44 says below, Osi would be the #1 pass rusher on a lot of other teams, and people tend to overvalue players from Super Bowl teams (see Gibril Wilson’s contract with the Raiders). His trade value may never be higher.
I think Reese has to at least find out what he could get for Osi before making a decision. I would miss him, though…

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by Mickey C on Feb 10, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The Sultan of Swat is a solid player

Us NYG fans are spoiled, Osi would be the best pass rusher on damn near 31 other teams. But on the Giants he’s the #3 at best now that that damn Loch Ness Monster started runnin shit. And when Kiwi was allowed to play DE even he gives Osi a run for his spot.

Osi is really good. I don’t think there’s any question we benefit from having him. His leadership, humility and it just seems that everyone likes him the team benefits from that.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 10, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

I think as Giants fan seen what he is capable of. But the question is really is osi ready to take a lesser role.

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by Giantstep on Feb 10, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

he did this season

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 10, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

who wouldnt want to keep osi

we just need to do it at the right price

by Shyti on Feb 10, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

we will see how ugly this gets.

It may end up that he is traded if he threatens to hold out again.

by BLUEYOU on Feb 10, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Osi won't hold out

He has to play if he wants to earn that final contract

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by wangstu13 on Feb 11, 2012 5:38 AM EST up reply actions  

and not lose 4 mill.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 11, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Reese

Jerry Reese has said its not just about now its about future seasons as well. While I agree all of those stats are wonderful and Osi is a force on the D line, he will be 31 this season and has an injury history contrary to your analysis above. (yes he missed an entire season that somehow you ignore?)

I think Giants fans know Jerry has to do the right thing, and that to me does not involve opening the vault for Osi.

by BLUEYOU on Feb 10, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

The trouble with the Osi situation

…..Its not that he is a 3rd string DE on this team (which he is) – so logic dictates that he be paid spot duty money, not hazzard pay like Tuck, JPP
…..Its not that he is poor against the run (which he is) relegating him to passing situations
……Its when he makes his plays – nearly every one of those is in a game altering situation (so it isnt the sack, or the strip sack that should be counted)…..it’s how many games do you want to win, where Osi puts you in a fabulous position to do so (which is fortunately true!)….and do you have some ready replacement who can do that
imho, that’s the context in which this situation needs to be looked at

by kayess on Feb 10, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

how was the Giants D in 2008?

When they had Kiwi and Tuck,, started 11-1 and won the NFC East at 12-4?
And probably would have went to the Superbowl..well we know the rest….

by BLUEYOU on Feb 10, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

again Im not taking

anything away form Osi’s career. But an NFL GM has to take emotion out of the business decisions other wise you end up like the Redskins or Raiders.

by BLUEYOU on Feb 10, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Top paid DE's for 2012

As of now Osi is #13 in the league next year.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/defensive-end/

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by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 6:28 PM EST reply actions  

That site doesn't have the positions very well labelled

So look at the DTs as well to get a fuller picture of DL compensation.

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by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Chemistry

Reese should not mess up this core group of DE’s that would not be a wise idea… They know what it takes to get the job done… I would cringe to see him playing against Eli Manning on another team not a good look at all…

by hookmasteriii on Feb 10, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

I know, and I've always knew how good Osi is...

I’ve always said Osi > Kiwi …ALWAYS.

yet imo Tuck > Osi (when Tuck is healthy) & JPP > Osi

and I’ve been saying this since the pre season

Look, do i want to keep the guy? sure. and I’m EXTREMELY impressed by the way Fewell can get all 3 DE’s their fair share of snaps, which i really did not think would happen.

but what do you do? Give in to his demands and pay him what he wants? lol, that’s insane

and the truth is, the Giants were taking offers on Osi before the season. but they didn’t get the offer they liked so they didn’t budge, but yes, JR listened. so to insinuate that those who suggested trading Osi were under valuing him is inaccurate.

he’s the 3rd best DE on the team. But Fewell has shown the ability to get him his reps.

keep him under contract. that OSI signed. Don’t budge. don’t give him more, but if he’d like to work out a 2-3 year extension that is FAIR in value than why not?

but top 5 DE money? no thank you.

and if someone wants to pony up that 1st rounder. well. I’m taking the call.

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Feb 10, 2012 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

but what do you do? Give in to his demands and pay him what he wants? lol, that’s insane

If you pay him,sets the tone for the rest of the team….and that is NOT what you want to do.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 10, 2012 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

I'd do the same thing they did in this off season

listen to offers…and give him some incentive stuff. it’s up to him to accept it or turn it down.

it was suspected that Osi didn’t accept the incentives this season b/c you can not alter your contract twice in one season….thus insinuating that he was still holding out for a trade?

idk, but Osi wants another deal, basically his last deal…and i think in his mind he’s done “enough” over the last 2 years, which to his credit he probably has…and than some actually. But what is going on in that brain of his is the question? is he gonna be fair or not? It also affects his trade value b/c who’s going to want a guy who wants some crazy $$$?

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Feb 10, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what really pooped on everything was the Charles Johnson deal

Those dickweeds gave him a 6 yr/ 72 million deal. 12 million a year is INSANE for that dude who had one good year. Osi sees that and says WTF man, I’m making a little over 4 mill a year.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 10, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

12 million for 40 tackles and 9 sacks

Why do teams do that to themselves? It just boggles the mind.

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by rich316 on Feb 11, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats why they are the Panthers and we are the MFing Giants.

The most important thing a team needs is a good FO. Most of those are in the AFC. Baltimore, NE, Pitt. NFC only really has GB and NYG. We’re one of only 3 teams since 2000 to make the SB at least 3 times or to win it multiple times…the others are Pitt and NE. Only team in NFC to make the SB more than once in that timespan.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 11, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I would put the Eagles up there as well, no question in my mind.

Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)

by tommy d. on Feb 11, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The Eagles are great capologists....and market themselves really well.

As far as drafting and talent evaluation, they aren’t that great. I’d put ’em a tier below us, but still close to the top.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 11, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, I think...

I would love to know how to quantify development. Are we really that much better at drafting or is it that we develop and coach up our players much better than the Eagles do.

It is probably some combo of the two, but in simple terms, I agree that we probably draft better than they do.

I just have alot of respect for the Eagles franchise and their success over the past 10 years or so

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Ernie is the Man(ning)

by tommy d. on Feb 12, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It's probably a product of both. I think the biggest difference between us and the Eagles

is what we look for. From what I’ve seen we go for the best size/speed/character blend, regardless of production. Eagles go for small/speed/high production/high motor.

Eagles have hit on dudes like that like Trent Cole. We’ve hit on dudes like Tuck and JPP. I think that having larger athletes makes them easier to coach up.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's structural

JR > AR

Just saying a dedicated GM is structurally better. It’s gotten a lot more complicated since Walsh did it in the 80s. I also think the conflict helps. Like you say, Reid loves his motor guys, but JR gets motor guys (JPP) and smooth producers (Nicks), you are just more likely to get multiple ideas from 2 smart guys.

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by trueblue63 on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

great point

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 12, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right.

Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)

by tommy d. on Feb 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

a closer look at their cap numbers

show trouble in the near future.

Now that they paid the dog killer all that money things get tighter. McCoy is gonna be looking for a payday soon. De Jackson is already looking for one, these two alone are gonna cost the Eagles a boatload of cash.

They are young in a lot of expensive positions, as they move forward contracts like the one they gave Asomugha are gonna start crunching their ability to keep their own, much less sign FA’s

You down wit JPP?
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by Flynner on Feb 14, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Just went to Spotrac.com

It says Osi makes more than Tuck.

How can he sit there and say he deserves the money over Tuck.

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by Skii31 on Feb 10, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love to keep Osi

I think he makes our pass rush deadly. Without him, they don’t have the same dynamic. But only if we can sign him for a reasonable price, I mean we’re having cap problems already. If he really wants to win, then he should know what to do. I’m sure he’s going to where the big money is though, unfortunately. It’s okay though, I wouldn’t mind seeing Kiwi play some DE with us, he’s pretty damn effective at his natural position.

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by Tripodi on Feb 11, 2012 3:37 AM EST reply actions  

As far as he does not go to NFC

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 11, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Osi is a game changer

The 30 FF proves that. He is like a Devin Hester for the defense. At anytime the complexion of the game can change because this man is on the field. Not sure how we give more money to him because there’s only so much to go around but I want Osi in blue until he calls it quits.

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by wangstu13 on Feb 11, 2012 5:29 AM EST reply actions  

I realized how good he is for a while and frankly am shocked he has not led tthe NFL in sacks

He is a bit one dimensional however.
The real question is,do we:
A:Trade him now for the best haul of picks possible.
or
B:Let a $ motivated Osi help us run to a repeat and possibly only recieve a compensatory pick in ’13
Part of this depends on the player himself.Is he willing to be the 3rd DE?
I will say it seems like a market short on pass rushers and we will always have a lot of talent to re sign and holes to fill at the same time.
Its the most interesting offseason question to me outside of the draft itself.

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JPP Is hands down the best DE in the NFL right now
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by Shaunthegiant on Feb 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

I think a late 1st rounder or a 2nd and some sort of teaser is in order.

All the way to a Super Bowl victory like a knife through butter
JPP Is hands down the best DE in the NFL right now
Can't spell Elite without ELI
Jerry Reese for President 2012..let's make that happen!

by Shaunthegiant on Feb 11, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Fans don't want Osi traded because he ISN'T good.

The situation is much more complex than that.

First, as it’s already been stated, Osi has been bumped down the depth chart with the emergence of JPP.

Second, because of his fall in the depth chart it is argued Osi is now overpaid to simply be a situational pass rusher. Pass rushing is his forte, he is elite in that facet of a DE’s responsibility.

Third, because he is so good at rushing the passer and he exhibited no erosion of that skill this season, his value is still decent enough so that, as opposed to keeping him until his contract expires and -in all likelihood- letting him go without getting anything in return, the Giants should get what they can and avoid any possible financial issues in the future.

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by EnWhySee on Feb 11, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

I’m with this, 100%

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by Simms-McConkey on Feb 12, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

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