New York Giants News And Notes: The Party's Over Edition
by Ed Valentine on Feb 8, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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The 2012 Super Bowl Championship Parade is now a memory. A happy one, but still a memory. The confetti has been cleared away, and it is time to get back to business. In the NFL, there is little time for celebrating. It is time for the Giants to work toward the 2012 season.
With that in mind, let's take a look around the Inter-Google in our first post-championship parade notebook.
Ballard joins Beckum in tearing ACL
The Giants announced that TE Jake Ballard tore the ACL in his left knee in the Super Bowl. The news is doubly worse for the team, given fellow TE Travis Beckum also tore his ACL in Sunday’s 21-17 victory over the Patriots.
Ballard had initially told reporters he had suffered a torn meniscus. But subsequent tests revealed the ligament tear. Here is a more personal take on Ballard's injury.
On day of parade, NY Giants defensive end Justin Tuck sends loud-and-clear message to NY Jets: MetLife Stadium is Big Blue house - NY Daily News
The crowd roared one more time as the Giants came through the tunnel and onto the field, and as they did, Justin Tuck took a moment to soak in the color. Everywhere he looked, in this stadium that two teams call home, all he could see was blue.
"Last time we did this it was in Giants Stadium," Tuck said, as he stood on a stage at midfield, behind the Super Bowl trophy. "Now we're in MetLife Stadium.
"But one thing you can be sure of is whose house this is."
Weatherford: No Contract Extension ... Yet
"We’ve been talking for a while, but we haven’t made any progress. We’ve tried to, though," said Weatherford, who signed a one-year deal as a free agent after two years with the Jets. "We’ve kind of shelved negotiations until the Super Bowl’s over, so … but it’s something I think is a priority for both sides. "We should get something done. I’m optimistic."
ProFootballWeekly.com - Giants must make decisions on WR Manningham, CB Ross, among others
The Giants are going to have some tough decisions to make regarding some of their unsigned free agents this spring.
NFL.com news: Warner doesn't buy that Eli is already Hall of Famer
"I fully disagree with that," Warner, an NFL Network analyst and one-time Super Bowl champion, said Tuesday on Arizona Sports 620-AM in Phoenix. "You know, because I know we put a lot of weight on championships, and rightfully so. But championships are won as a team, and I’m fully convinced of that. You never see one guy -- a great player, great quarterback -- carry a team through the playoffs and into a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl that way. I’ve never seen it. You know, even in that game (Super Bowl XLVI), it’s 21-17. That’s the game. There wasn’t a quarterback just up and down the field carrying the team. Yeah, he made the plays down the stretch -- no question about it. He’s had two great playoff runs -- or his team has had two great playoff runs. But I also look at the rest of his career.
"I mean, he has an 82 quarterback rating throughout his career," Warner continues. "You know, he’s had five of his eight seasons where he has thrown 16 interceptions or more. His completion percentage on his career is 58 percent. To me, those aren’t Hall of Fame numbers, and by that, I mean every time you step on the field you’re a game changer, you’re a difference maker. And I don’t believe Eli Manning has been that guy until this year. ...
"Now, if he plays the same way he played this year, the rest of his career, and you give him five more years, and then add the two championships, then I think we have reason to debate, and he's probably going to be in the Hall of Fame in that position."
President Obama calls Tom Coughlin to congratulate Giants on Super Bowl victory | NJ.com
Obama tells Coughlin he looks forward to greeting Giants at White House.
Even New York Giants and New England Patriots have offseason issues - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN
The New York Giants and New England Patriots can return to the Super Bowl if they tackle these offseason issues.
As Manning, Coughlin get their due respect, so should Giants GM Reese - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice
There is a lesson here and it's an easy one to understand. Reese had earned more trust than he was shown from people both in and out of football, but there were still questions about his acumen. As with Tom Coughlin, those questions should now cease. "Last year we win 10 games and we don't qualify for the tournament and you're not that smart," Reese said earlier this week. "This time, we win nine games, win a division, less games, and now it seems I'm pretty smart again. It just comes with the territory and that's just part of it. It just is what it is."
Every NFL team's path to success in the offseason - Jeff Diamond - SI.com
Team Needs: LB, RB, OL. It's hard to nitpick the champs, but there are reasons why the Giants were 7-7 before they started their epic run. Eli and the passing game are outstanding, but the running game ranked last during the regular season (Brandon Jacobs, with his $4.9 million due next year, will likely be released). The Giants also could add some young muscle to the O-line. They'll need to replace Super Bowl hero WR Mario Manningham if he leaves in free agency. The defense ranked 27th in regular season but came on late. Help will be sought at linebacker and in the secondary, but the corner position will improve as 2011 top pick Prince Amukamara takes on a bigger role (a foot injury limited him earlier in the year) and Terrell Thomas returns from his preseason ACL injury.
NFL.com news: Big Blue-print: Lessons learned from another Giants title
he NFL has always been a copycat league. Franchises routinely examine the blueprints of Super Bowl champions to see if there are elements that can be replicated for desired results. This is especially true when a team wins multiple titles in a short span of time.
After watching the New York Giants secure their second title in five seasons, opposing franchises will take away these five lessons.
NFL.com news: Bradying: It's unfortunately sure to catch on
From the people who brought you Tebowing (folks with way too much time on their hands and nothing better to do), comes America's newest sports fad ...
Bradying.
It's lame but still likely to engulf the country like a wild fire. All you've got to do is sit down, extend your legs, hunch your back, and look down.
Whereas Tebowing is a celebration of the thrill of victory, Bradying epitomizes the agony of defeat experienced by the Patriots' quarterback after losing Super Bowl XLVI.
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Tebowing vs Bradying
Glory of victory vs agony of defeat. Brady is the AntiTebow,
- Mumble
"At the end of the day..." - Antrel Rolle
Brady is the anti-Tebow indeed
I think he threw more touchdown passes in that first half then Tebow did all season. Might have to confirm that.
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by pataroons on Feb 8, 2012 8:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Military planking
You are doing it right!
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 8, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Now we need TWO more TE's
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Funny...
with all of the credit that the new york giants conditioning team has been given for making sure that thier players heal properly and as qiuckly as possible, it is hard to believe how grossly mis-diagnosed Jake Ballard’s injury was.
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 8, 2012 7:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
During the game
Hard to fully evaluate extent of the injury, especially to the knee.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Oh, ok...
I thought he reinjured the same knee. Is this a different injury to a different area?
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 8, 2012 7:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
the one that kept him out all this time was the right knee
the ACL tear is the left knee. I’d be surprised if we saw either Ballard or Beckum on the team next year.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yes we now have a TE problem to address...
I feel really bad fot those two guys…I knew Ballards was real bad when I saw him collapse on the sideline after being taped up…He fell right down…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yep, they showed him trying to run on the sideline
The man just collapsed as if he had no legs. Didn’t look good at all
That was admirable to watch him do that and it was sad to see him just fall on the same knee.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Beckum sure
But Ballard will be back…… he wont cost that much plus he will be excellent Depth if not the starter.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
It's a different injury
He had a preview PCL in the right knee. This is a torn ACL in the left knee.
Ok...I see now. Thanjs Ed & R44.
I agree R44. Those ACL injuries are a nasty breed of injury and with Jake’s size, the chances of him re-injuring that are high.
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 8, 2012 8:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I tore my ACL
and it was diagnosed as the same injury until the swelling abated. It is not easy to diagnose right off the top.
we could get Washington's TE Davis
who I believe is a FA this offseason. Neutralizes our rival’s very potent receiving threat and gives Eli another game breaker in the event Manningham leaves. Fred is extraordinarily dangerous on deep routes and creates major mismatches because of his speed. While I like both Beck and Ballard I have a feeling that one of them won’t be back next year
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 8, 2012 1:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Was Suspended, Too
for substance abuse. Probably not the kind of player the Giants want to invest a lot of dough in.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 8, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Nope we do not like that kind of players
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
yea we only go for the nippleheads on the field
not off
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
we can't afford most FAs
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
Punter Contracts
The Bucs signed a guy to a six year 19.5MM deal before the season, but only $6.5mm guaranteed. He’s also a kickoff specialist, which was how they justified it, but that was before it became apparent that everyone can reach the endzone (in fact, its becoming apparent that traditional FG kickers may be better because they drop the ball right on the goal line) .
I’ don’t see the Gmen going much more than $2mm per, so if Steve gets a big offfer…..it’s back on the blimp for Jerry!
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I would concur
Maybe 2.5-3 mill., no more than that.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Thats alot of $ for a punter.
But after what Stevie did all season, and after watching him step up and make big punts in the post season and the SB I say he should be a TOP priority. No way I don’t want this guy not being the tip of the NY Giants defensive spear.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Can't wait for the draft
I’m betting, once again, Jerry defies conventional wisdom. He won’t pick an LB or TE until middle rounds. He doesn’t value those positions that highly.
What we learned last year
is that we don’t know squat about what JR is thinking.
But it is fun to try.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 8, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
they actually need a few TEs
and since we have a full offseason its a little different then last year, lots of time and options to sift through.
Unless its Dwayne Allen, I doubt we see a TE to us in the first (and Allen should be off the board). I’d say we’re gonna sign a vet and draft one in the middle rounds.
As for the LBaneezers, when watching the mayor hand out the keys to the city it was amazing how many talented LBeezes and DBs we have on this team that were injured. I’d say a DB is more likely early, but the LBeezers might not even be addressed.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Allen
who in the league is he comparable too? I saw the sbnation mock draft has us take the fleener kid from stanford. is he any good?
Allen is somewhere in between Antonio Gates and Dustin Keller
good blocker when he needs to be, excellent athlete and really good red zone threat. Knows how to get open too.
Fleener’s really tall and probably needs to gain 10-15lbs. He’s more of a Kevin Boss type dude, not much of a blocker coming out of college but has the ability to be one. Kind of slow but also really good hands and knows how to get open.
Fleener’s not a 1st round player tho. If anyone takes him its a reach, so you can count the GIants out of that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
We should look for younger and not over the hill guys
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
We'll still go PBA
but I’m sure a TE will be in the top 3 . . . .I also think we’ll sign a second tier TE in FA, a blocking one.
Depending on FA signings I see us drafting an RB high as well. Whoever the BPA is at TE, RB, or OL will proababbly be the first pick. Though I would not be shocked if we go DE again.
LB is not as much of a need as some would think, Williams might be ready to full time next year, we have Boley and I think Chase showed he’s servicable if not good at times.
"Eli cooler than the other side of the pillow" Mario Manningham after Super Bowl XLVI
we need a few OLs, a new WR, a RB
more then a few TE, we should be able to get TE from FA/undraft
We also need another superbowl trophy. Back2Back win would be just nice.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I'm sure I'll have my usual debate about trades
Reese is historically the least active GM in the league when it comes to pre-draft and draft day swapping of picks. One year we were the only team in the entire draft to just make our seven picks in our spots.
While wheeling and dealing makes it more interesting for us, you can’t argue with his results. I’d still like someone in the media to ask Reese if this is deliberate, does he think it’s a distraction from the hard work of making decisions, or does he work the phones as much as anybody, but there just doesn’t seem to be a good deal on the table.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
he always say "we look at that"
but I’d say not trading means you know what you’re doing. Trading up means you really have to know what you’re doing or have a player really high, but trading up really should never be done unless you have a lot of picks or its for a QB.
Trading down means you don’t know what you’re doing and are unsure of yourself (Belicheck?). Obviously you don’t feel there’s a player worthy of that pick so you trade down for more.
Reese obviously always seems to have someone in mind for his picks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Good Players
Reese drafts the best players, he could care less what position they play. At least for the first 4-5 rounds.
unless a blue chip LB falls in his lap or BPA
JR won’t draft a LB.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
Hey Kurt
By the way, YOU are not HOF worthy my friend…A couple good years in St. Louis,
then injured AND benched…Traded to G-Men, plays 9 games, holds the ball forever,
banished to Cards, makes it to another Super Bowl. All about consistency my friend
to make the HOF, and you missed the boat there!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Kurt made some valid points...
I know you can’t gauge emotions that well through reading words, however I have to say that Kurt sounds a bit bitter.
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 8, 2012 7:40 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Envious
He couldn’t beat the Pats, Eli has twice, just saying….
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Yes he is bitter. Around here in Phoenix area he is treated like he is best thing after bread.l
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
He did make valid points and I agree with him.
Eli is still penning his career masterpiece. If he retired tomorrow he would not make the Hall.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
The way Eli's career is going
if he didn’t win that 2nd ring, he probably wasn’t a lock but he was gonna be considered for the HOF. Kind of like Phil Simms.
Now that he’s got the 2 rings and considering he’s still here and I don’t think our team is gonna be trash any time soon, especially at the skill positions who Eli’s throwing to, its pretty safe to say that Eli’s got the yellow jacket.
If he hung em up today I’d say he’s not a 1st ballot guy, but possibly someone who gets in eventually.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It is interesting that
First the media was putting down Eli and kept saying he is not elite and now all of a sudden they are debating if he is HOF or not.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I think Warner was about right
Eli needs to continue to have a few more seasons like he just did stats wise. The thing is, he will.
Yes Eli has a long career ahead of him...
I don’t think he is even near done yet…He’s still working on his HOF resume….
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Not only is only halfway through his career
he isn’t even at the apex or on the downward slide. He is just coming into full maturity and as long as he receives good pass protection he’s going to have some more killer years.
He’s not a scrambler, so it’s not like age will catch up to him as fast as Vick or other mobile QBs. I’m excited that he can actually keep improving.
Health of course, is paramount.
At 31, I would say we are at the zenith.
I think we entered it last year, and it could last four to six years depending on health and other circumstances.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
The most impressive thing about Eli to me..
Is his personality..and the way he approaches the game…He’s a calm cool collected leader..Nothing bothers him at all..It’s all Team with him…Just getting the job done..The perfect QB for a New York town, where the media beats you to death on a daily basis…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I used to want to see more emotion out of Eli ... but that lack of outward emotion is his key attribute.
The only calm guy in a fire fight. Keeps the other guys from freaking out !
He is just focused. That is all he needs to to and he knows it.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
*the opening paragraph of
said resume
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 8, 2012 2:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
"provided he remains healthy"
Of course, he hasn’t missed a game yet (crosses fingers). Here’s to Eli eventually owning the consecutive-start record!
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
Eli holds many records that get overlooked.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Take a look at Elway's stats...
His first eight years are as bad as Eli’s – statistically. And wildly inconsistent. And his overall career numbers are worse than Eli’s – statistically. In fact, if you were to judge Elway based solely on his numbers (80’s and 90’s era QB numbers, granted), he would seem like a very average QB. And just as Elway did, Eli is continuing to improve – statistically. Eli, probabably, will be much more consistent for the rest of his career. And he’s already got the 2 Superbowl’s.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Feb 8, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
Never won a SB
until T. Davis arrived on the scene, in fact got smoked fist three times!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
While Eli is 100% on Superbowl wins.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
That's a little misleading.
The stats of that generation of QBs just aren’t as good. Take a look at Aikman, too. QB rating is around an 81. It seems like you now need to be closer to a 90 to be elite and HOF caliber.
While Warner has a point
He may torpedoed his own case for the Hall.
Lol - yeah
Maybe by throwing “interceptions” out there he figured they wouldn’t look at “fumbles”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
I also refer to inconsistent play
he started hot, faded badly, re-surged in Arizona a bit. That was one of his biggest knocks on Eli.
I agree..Warner had an up and down career...
But I really don’t care about what these people have to say about Eli..He’s perfect for this team…He was smart enough to fix a less than productive season in 2010…and he carried his team to the Championship..He’s well on his way to greatness…
His huge move this year…was calling up all his receivers and working out with them on a High School field during the lock-out…They came out firing on all cylinders..The rest of the team had to catch-up…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Late with the Rams and with the Giants, Warner just looked shell-shocked at times.
I think he needed the time on the bench in ARI to clear his head.
What business does Warner have discussing Eli and HOF in Phoenix.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Is there a date on which this league year ends and the FA’s become FA’s, or when teams can begin talking with and signing other teams’s FA’s?
What about signing our own? We can do that any time, right?
by BigBlueDeadHead on Feb 8, 2012 7:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I heard yesterday
First thing is the “franchise” tags, then after that?
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Tuesday March 13th at 4 pm eastern.
Google it! ….Ain’t no excuse not to know nothing no more.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Feb 8, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
I Just Googled 'ain't no excuse not to know nothing no more'
And my computer exploded.
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by pataroons on Feb 8, 2012 8:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then how did you post without your computer?
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
OK, I see the Skins frachished Fred Davis and FA starts 3/13. But what about our own FA? Can we sign now or is this a dead where we no longer have rights to negotiate and re-sign our own?
by BigBlueDeadHead on Feb 8, 2012 8:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty sure "losing the rights" is a baseball thing
As a practical matter NFL teams tend to put their best offers on the table for the UFAs they want to keep in an attempt to lock them up before somebody else makes them a stupid offer. Expect guys like Brees to be signed well before March 13.
Once FA starts, the Giants in particular tend to have two or three guys on other teams targeted and they go after them fast. They guys who don’t get deals in the first three weeks often linger until after the draft and teams see what holes they can plug there.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
This will be some interesting FA in NFC East.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Some questions
Anyone know…
What happened to Jimmy Kennedy? His suspension was lifted and we never saw him again.
Why the repeated practice squad additions/deletions of Capers and Perrilloux? Seems like they switched every coupla days.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
Sometimes
If there is another injury, for example when Beatty was done for the year, you add somebody
to the PS (like an OL)….then a couple days later, somebody else is brought back,
It’s just a numbers game.With that said, can be grabbed by another team at any time,
but has to go on their ACTIVE roster, not the PS..
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
The Perrilloux thing was the strangest I've ever seen in 35 years.
Clearly they had an understanding with him. I bet half the times her never even turned in his playbook when he got dropped.
It effectively created an extra roster spot for them, so it worked out great.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I think they like Perrilloux a lot
and want him around, maybe to be a cheap backup next year
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Basically, with Kennedy
He got caught in the numbers game. The defense was starting to click when he came back, so why upset anything? Same reason why Barden was inactive so much.
Personally, I don’t think Bernard will be back next year (good time for him and Grant to retire, if they so wish), so I think Kennedy will at least get the chance to compete for the job in camp.
There could be a bit of the Cruz treatment too, in how they stood by him rather than cut him after the suspension. It wouldn’t surprise me if the coaching staff like what they see in him and want to keep him around.
I would expect grant to retire
Rocky might be able to semi cash in (not at the rate he is at now though) after his better last couple seasons.
If Grant is not asking for too much money he will be ok.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
If Grant is not asking for too much money he will be ok.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
You never see one guy — a great player, great quarterback — carry a team through the playoffs and into a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl that way. I’ve never seen it
The stats might be misleading a bit Kurt, but the rushing O was last in the league. They’re better then that and were better then that over the run at the end, but Eli still threw the ball 40 times in the SB. You’re still jealous you didn’t get a shot here in NY and still jealous all those years with the Rams and Cards with a high powered O, you only got one trophy.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
so if you've never seen a QB do that
pop in the tapes of the Giants 2011-12 season. Do it Kurt.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I didn't see
Faulk in the backfield this year, I have been critical of Eli on here. I knew he had MORE game,
just wanted him to prove it, he did in spades, hail Eli!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
+10
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 8, 2012 8:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Running game
was good against ATL. In fact, it was good enough that the Packers had to respect it in GB, and that led to alot of openings for Eli.
No doubt Eli carried the offense and the team, but there were a lot of contributors on this run.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
We need a running game throughout the season and a threat in every game.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Warner
Is right Eli is not a Hall of fame QB RIGHT NOW, but I think he will be when his career is over. Weatherford NEEDS to b back and he will be. Also Who is going to be our 3rd receiver? Is it time for Ramses to step in?
by nwkiddnj on Feb 8, 2012 7:55 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Dare I say
Steve Smith?
JJ Jernigan?
Can Cruz have as much success on the outside?
My money is not on Barden, but I’ve been known to be wrong.
::Pats self on back::
Preseason predictions:
NFC championship game Giants over SF
AFC- Pats over Balt
No joke
Sec. 148
by pataroons on Feb 8, 2012 8:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Cruz could certainly have success outside
Just look at how much he improved during the course of this year. The kid has good physical skills, but it is his work ethic that impressed the hell out of me this year. He was just SO much better at the end of the year than he was at the beginning. (Hell, I thought they were going to cut him before Hixon got hurt.) I’m sure if they moved him outside, he would succeed.
And by the way, if Steve Smith is healthy (which was obvious to everybody but him and the drunk Eagles doctors that he wasn’t,) I would take him back in a second. Smith/Cruz/Nicks would be a very, very difficult situation for other teams to deal with.
I think we need another long ball threat. SS is not that.
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 8, 2012 8:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Barden could be that guy who could just scoop up a high thrown ball away from DBs would be good.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
NYG are SB Champs!!!
Love the way it rolls of the tongue. Patriots, 49ers, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles, Packers…NOT!!!! Lol!! Left the Falcons out on purpose because of the classy way in which they carried themselves.
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 8, 2012 9:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Do what ya gotta do to get
Mario back.
The 3 of them is what made this offense dangerous. I just mentioned the run above, and it did it’s job to help set things up, but keeping the 3 of these guys together would be ideal.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I think the SS ship has sailed
Time to move on
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Cruz success started on the outside
We were having discussions that he was struggling in the first game because he was in the slot. Moved to the outside in Philly and exploded
by nwkiddnj on Feb 8, 2012 9:30 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Babooooooooooooooooooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I think we'll make an offer to Mario
and if not him it’ll be Jernigan and Barden battling it out. Jernigan was the one active at the end so that might say that he’s got the inside track.
Of course this year’s draft is LOADED with big tall WR threats. Wouldn’t count out one in the first round this year.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I would be pissed if we use a first rounded on a WR
by nwkiddnj on Feb 8, 2012 9:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Best player
so if the Giants made a move to trade up and Justin Blamckmon is on the board you would be pissed if they passed on him? – Come on
good.
but you most likely wouldn’t be pissed when he’s catching TD passes from #10
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
question
Has anybody ever seen a team win a game after allowing the opposition score so they could get the ball back? I have heard this strategy for years, seen it done a couple of times, but never ever have I heard of it working. I think it’s an urban myth. And I think the Pats would have been better off hoping that Weatherford pulls a Tony Romo and fumbles the snap on a field goal attempt than to put themselves in position to need a TD (rather than a field goal) to win.
you can't assume a score
why people do this I have no idea. Maybe you want to give yourself a better chance, but allow the opposition to score? You take the points. You just can’t assume anything.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Just ask
somebody named Billy Cundiff!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
I agree 100000%...You always take the points...
Bill B. out-foxed himself..His gamble failed miserably….
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I think though that BB was right when he said the FG was about 95% certain.
So the real question is, is it better to have 56 seconds, a timeout, but in need of a TD. Or, would you rather have 20 seconds, no timeouts, but only in need of a FG. Given that it was an indoor stadium, I’d rather have the second option. Two good sideline passes and you are sending your kicker in for the attempt.
I agree
with BB’s strategy, otherwise would have been about 25 seconds left in the game,
and no timeouts.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
I think that final series showed why it was a bad idea.
Given the usual combination of incompletes and short passes that a defense allows in situations like that, there just isn’t enough time for a TD. I’d rather attempt a 55 yard FG than try a Hail Mary.
Using that theory
Lets Giants run the clock down, lets say they kick the field goal, up by one.
Now the DB’s are going to allow completions in middle of the field, again
no timeouts. Regardless of the strategy working or not, better calculated gamble
at that point of the game IMO!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
I'm generally with BB's "Matador" D strategy there ...
but at a minimum AB should have got down at the 1, so they lose their last TO. Might not even had time to do the Hail Mary.
Too many plays HAVE to work to get the TD.
For a FG, you only need two. Either option stinks, frankly.
True
Keep in mind, the DB’s are not going to allow completions to the sideline in that particular situation…If they don’t allow 4th and 16,
even the Hail Mary would have been a moot point, right?
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
This to do would have been
Ab should have run east and west at the goal line to chew about 7 to 10 seconds. Pats wanted him to score anyway and would not have tackled him for no score. In fact they would have pushed him in the end zone anyway. Or AB could have run in when they approached him while they were chasing him. We were still on 2nd down anyway.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Nope
If he runs east and west and gets the ball stripped?
If you recall, already fumbled once in the game, right?
What I am saying is, in BB’s situation, would have done the exact same strategy, either way he was screwed.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Let's think about Tuck and how the safety changed the game score
Of course, lots of other things might have changed but the two points changed stuff.
Yes, TC would have gone for the PAT of 1 instead of 2 but overall, it made a difference.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
It was the right move by Bill to let them score
Otherwise they were facing something like 20 seconds left with the ball, down 1 (or up if it was missed, but how rarely do teams Romo the play?).
Well Bill's mistake was he was thinking about what Rodgers did to our defense when it
Was weak…He wasn’t going to pull the same scenario off with this defense…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Was thinking this exact thing
Until someone actually loses a game because the other team let them score, I’m scoring everytime.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
BB has done this before though
I remember him taking an intentional safety against the Broncos, and won that game.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
But
when he took that safety, he already had the lead. That’s a completely different situation. I repeat my question: Does anybody remember a team EVER wining a game after allowing the opposition to score a touchdown in order to get the ball back? So far, nobody does.
Wrong
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=231103007
They were losing at the time.
I’ll see if I can look it up, though I can almost guarantee that this gambit has worked before.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
Guess we're both right
He’s done it twice to the Broncos. Winning both. Once while ahead, once while losing.
Still looking though.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
We are not like other teams. We are unique.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Totally different scenario there.
After taking the safety, they’re still down only 3 points, so still only need a field goal. And it’s completely different taking a safety than having your defense intentionally give up a TD. Bradshaw could take a knee at the one; the Giants still have to snap the ball at least once, if not twice, and place the ball and make a field goal. Ask Tony Romo if that can’t be an adventure.
I would never, ever, pass up a touchdown to take a 4 point lead with less than a minute to go in a game, unless I had absolutely no faith in my defense.
This is taking way too long. I'll go for another approach.
You’re asking the wrong question, imo. It’s not “Has a team ever won a game after intentionally allowing the opposition to score a touchdown?” The logical, statistical question is: “Has a team ever scored a touchdown in 57 seconds with 1 timeout to burn after a kickoff.” And the answer, according to what I’ve seen, is that teams score that quickly 4% of the time.
Statistically speaking, the chance of the Giants missing the chip shot and then Pats scoring in 20 seconds with no timeouts is 1%.
I’m just arguing a point, I don’t really care either way.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
It was a rough series to watch. Tuck sack was so handly and timely
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Coughlin is going to love
how the Giants are treated this off season and going into next season. Wait’ll the Giants get a loada of all the attention the Wet Dream Team gets this summer. Wait’ll they get a loada how the Cowboys may be the team to beat.
The Giants will be picked to miss the playoffs by some, and picked to finish as a WC by many more.
Can you say, “Us against the world?”
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
already the Eagles have better odds and the Cowporks similar odds
and I bet after we lose a few players, possibly even our starting OTs, SB hero Manningham and starting CB Aaron Ross, that they doubt us even more.
I think the theme for next year should be “keep in holstered”. Or maybe “wear tighter sweats”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Keep it hoistered works!
Sounds like something an ol timer like TC would say.
We have seen it start even before the SB. Giants are lucky, plain and simple. Just like 2007, 2011 will be viewed as flukey.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
i can kind of understand the eagles being better odds than us, but NOT THE COWBOYS!
The eagles better pray that vick stays healthy for the whole year
Eli Manning is The Boston Strangler
The 2011 New York Giants = The best 9-7 team of all time
ALL IN!!!!
by JasonPierrePwned on Feb 8, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Lots of Cowboys fans laying money on them
it makes their odds lower to compensate for losses in case they win, simple as that.
Eagles are a tinderbox
As long as it is going well, they will perform but if a little adversity comes into play or a losing streak, that “team” will explode like an ego bonfire.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think we keep Deihl
he’s versatle and has year left no? KMack is done but Deihl needs to around to play RT if we can’t get someone else ready or just for depth, the guy can play 4 line posisitions.
JR’s going to have a busy offseason but this champioship will allow him to be a bit more agressive about changing things up casue who’s gonna bitch after another SB titile (Even I wont)
Philly is the new Dallas. ESPN favoraitve with the monikor “They have soo much talent” I love it thats the kiss of death.
I think the D can be great next year if they have better luck with the injuries, I mean really freaking good.
"Eli cooler than the other side of the pillow" Mario Manningham after Super Bowl XLVI
Diehl's due $8 million next year
I think he’s done unless he restructures.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Oh yeah
If I was TC I would have handed each guy on the team a copy of those SB odds and said paste this up in your work out room.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Up yours Warner
Jealousy is a stinky cologne. Sure, he does not have great numbers, but Eli wins games and his playoff stats are very good. He never had the weapons he’s had these past two years and I think we are about to see some great stuff to come from Eli. Yes, HOF is about numbers, but I highly doubt you get in there Warner. To think, couple years ago, I was hoping you would get a HOF nod because of your story. You lost me buddy. Instead of focusing on Eli’s past, why don’t you take note of the present and where he could go from here.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
Wait..crap
Read more. He did say that Eli could get there. Coffee not kicked in yet.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
what do you mean, "The party's over?"
IT’S NOT OVER! IT’S NEVER OVER!
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 8:09 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
exactly
I’m still in party mode.
Not yet ready to discuss anything but how the Giants just won the Superblow
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
"Nothing is over"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsmybQKpmTw
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Right on brother
while Eagle fans are worrying about the draft, I’ll more more concerend with how they’ll fit 4 diamonds onto a SB ring!!!!
The offseason is great when win the Lombardi!!!!!!!
"Eli cooler than the other side of the pillow" Mario Manningham after Super Bowl XLVI
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This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Ballard
Better have that ACL surgery ASAP, otherwise looking at redux of SS12 I believe.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
He still has the torn PCL in the other knee, which also might need surgery.
Don’t think we should be counting on him for the 2012 season, unfortunately.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Feb 8, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
PCL was minor
more like a slight tear, much less of a concern than ACL or MCL.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Oops
Damn folks, still getting use to the new laptop, haha!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Laptops are great and you can walk around with them all over the house as far as you have the wireless connection to the internet.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
you mean he'll go to the Eagles,
help us win a game in Philly, and be a part of one of the most disappointing seasons in their history?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think Warner's right...
… because of the simple fact that I expect another 8 or 9 great years out of Eli (and another SB or two) to make the case for him to be in the HOF.
And personally, I don’t think Warner’s jealous about it, he’s too big of a guy to care that much about it. His letter to Coughlin when he was heading out the door tells me that. I do think he fails to give Eli credit for showing up to EVERY SINGLE GAME so far, even though he’s had some stinkers.
In any case, my big hope is that Eli is there in the conversation when he’s up to breaking more records – even possibly Favre’s consecutive-start one. We all know how much of a grinder he is about competing, so you know it’s possible.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
by jcheng on Feb 8, 2012 8:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Of course the one thing that worries me
is that now both Cooper and Peyton have had neck issues. Hope it’s not a genetic thing.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
injuries are not genetic
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
No, but being susceptible to them are.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
what you just said is patently ridiculous.
hmm, could it be BEING AN NFL QB??? Getting nailed by 300-pound musclemonsters?
naww, it’s probably an allele… that causes the neck to crumble in your 30s
hahaha
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Propensities might be...
Could be a structural problem but I would imagine everyone would know by now. He must have had MRIs, CATs, etc.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
go ahead and google
genetic predisposal to neck structure problems
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Google is your friend....
" What Causes Cervical Spinal Stenosis?
Cervical spinal stenosis may be the gradual result of aging and “wear and tear” on the spine as well as a genetic predisposition."
www.precisionneurosurgery.com.au/html/conditions_cervicalstenosis.htm
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
by jcheng on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
www.healyourbulgingdisc.com/herniated-disc-causes.html
" The third herniated disc cause is genetics. An individual who has other family members who suffer from this condition is also more likely to develop it. "
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
by jcheng on Feb 8, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can tell your disc is bulging over finding that website
here’s another one:
Eli Manning was cleared of having spinal stenosis when he was tested in 1993.
ESPN.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Actually it was.
Just ask the 2 plates and 4 screws in my back…
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
ok.
How does one address a screw? Mr.? Ms?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on if the screw is titanium or Brazilian.
;)
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
I thought you had 4 screws
now you have a brazilian? That’s what, 10 × 100 million?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton got that injury
from continually being pummeled and having a turrible line, not through a genetic problem
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
"Luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." -Don Shula
"You just don't throw on Chase Blackburn.''
s'all I'm sayin
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it does not seem to be a genetic problem.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I hope Mario takes a lesson from Boss and SS12
Stick where things are good, else you’re likely to have a shortened career in a place where all forget your name
He said he wants to stay..I hope they can work it out and make it happen...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
He has to know that Eli makes him better
Oh, and I forgot about SS12. Hahahahahaha!!! How do you like them apples Stevie? Do we want him back? I say hell no! Dude can rot in the bed he made in Philly.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
I disagree.
Football players need to do everything they can to make every last dollar while they can still play. He had the even worse situation of being in the middle of recovering from a terrible knee injury, and in the back of his head, might be thinking his career is done. He HAD to take the extra million+ dollars, regardless of what team offered it. Boss HAD to take double the guaranteed money to go to the crappy Raiders. It is hard for us as fans to separate the business side from the emotional side, but we do need to remember these guys have a very short window to make this money.
Having said that, a healthy SS12 would be a hell of an addition to Cruz & Nicks. I’d be excited as hell to see other teams trying to deal with that.
I see what you are saying
But will still continue to hold my grudge against SS12. The contract that the Giants were offering him at the time is still more than I would make in 10 years.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
Exactly. We found out from others that he has signed with Eagles.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I thought SS12's deal in Philly was only for one year...?
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
It is
who knows what will happen. Lots of moving parts.
But I would assume that Iggles will not offer him too much money to keep him from moving.
What the Giants do, who knows. Depends on too many variables at this time.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 8, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
If Steve Smith is healthy
I’d take him in the slot over Manningham all. day. long. Big “if” though. With Nicks, Smith, Cruz healthy for a season Eli might throw for 6,000 yards.
by Oppenheimer919 on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take him back
He’ll be ready next season, no brainfarts there, LOL!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
I think if he's healthy
The question really is more if you want to bring him back, because you know what he is and what he can do, vs. just stick with the new guys. Somebody like Jernigan is definitely a more dynamic threat with the ball in his hands… he may wind up being the best option of all. It’ll be interesting to see what they do.
by Oppenheimer919 on Feb 8, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Steve Smith was a third down conversion machine
he runs amazing routes and always knows where the first down marker and the sideline is. I’d welcome him back to the slot and move cruz outside.
That is of course if he’s cheaper than manningham.
The Eagles did not sign SS12 for need, but to thwart the G-men
How’ed that $2M investment work out?
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
MY biggest problem with SS12 thing is that
he did not give us a chance to match the offer and while doing that he went in our own division and to our biggest nemesis at that. That was a very dangerous move that was lose-lose for Giants.
If we are considering SS12 then why did we not cosider Tiki when he was looking for work. Tiki ran his mouth but did not go to the enemy. We owned his waivers too.
i am not saying we should have gone for Tiki, but simply making a point here.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
lets forget about SS.
He moved on, the Giants moved on and did just fine.
Cruz in the slot with Nicks and JJ or Barden (Dare I say it) outside.
I
I just see it as two different questions, I guess
As a general question, sure I’d take him back. If he’s healthy he’s a great posession type receiver. Would I rather see Jernigan become a star? Definitely, of course.
by Oppenheimer919 on Feb 8, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Jeriggan
reminds me a lot of MM when he first came in the league. except with Chris Johnson/Da’rel Scott type speed
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 8, 2012 2:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Two totally different skill sets
Jernigan is not on MM’s level especially as an out side deep threat.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Slot
Jernigan was picked to be a slot guy. Agreed he is different than MM.
I think the hope is that Barden – while not a burner – is the deep threat. Hope that kid gets his working hat on this offseason and stops worrying so much about friggin’ Twitter.
Also mentioned it above, but I am intrigued by this kid Dan DePalma on the practice squad. They had him playing the Welker role during practices and say he is the quickest WR we have, period.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 8, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I like Cruz better in the slot, and SS12's not an outside guy.
A taller guy or a real burner would be better if MM not back.
versatile
yeah Cruz also gives tremndous versatility. He can be outside on many formations as well.
Then we need another WR threat in there. Plus TEs and RBs. BINGO!
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I believe he wants to stay
Now it’s just a matter of if his agent / family gets in his ear.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Would be good if we can afford him to stay. The triple threat with development of Barden and JJ would be superb
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I like the three of them together
and think they compliment each other well
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
I really hope there's a swag picture of this past SB
that Osi and Strahan pick along with this one are chock full of it
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Boss has one ring and an extra $3-4mm
I’m sure he’s got no regrets.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Yeah, #1 in the NFL (Not For Long) is to get paid ... now.
A guy like Cruz has some real endorsement possibilities, so his decision if we try and extend him this year will be based on more than just the contract.
How about the name Derrick Ward?
How long did his #1 back status last?
by DieHardGiants on Feb 8, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
He was above 30 and had only been making practice-squad/vet's minimum salary up to that point
He HAD to take the money.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
Funny Warner should say that
I always thought it was a ridiculous question when people talked about putting him in the hall of fame.
The points he makes about Eli’s numbers are valid. However him saying “I’ve never seen a QB carry a team through the playoffs and win a super bowl blah blah blah”. Obviously its a team game, and obviously you can’t have a playoff run and super bowl victory without somebody else making a play somewhere. But Kurt, come on. If what Eli did in his two playoff runs / super bowl wins isn’t the definition of carrying his team to victory, then not only have you never seen it before, you also never will.
Eli to the HoF! Eli better than Peyton!
This whole conversation is a media myth. They keep asking “experts” the question as though any sane person is actually claiming those things. Every reasonable analyst and fan says the same thing – Eli is on the path to a HoF career, but his career is only half over! In the regular season, Peyton is one of the top QB’s in the history of football, Eli is not. However, Eli is putting together a better post-season resume. Does that make Eli better than Peyton? Of course not. Is Jim Plunkett better than Peyton? Let their careers play out and then have the conversation.
What Warner is saying is true, but in listening to the interview, there is an edge to his comments. It sounds as though he is refuting something real – or even something that Eli has claimed himself. Both of which are nonsense. He’s supposed to be a smart guy. He should realize that this is a media creation. I do get a sense that there’s something a touch personal about this for him.
NY GIANTS 2012 Super Bowl Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
THAT'S MORE LIKE IT
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 8, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah man!!!...and it is Wednesday!!!!
I can still blow a .10 after Sunday…haha..I won’t be totally sober until Friday..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Thats right Gents
I’m still enjoying this and will be watching the replay of the game tonight on NFL Network
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Do you yell at the TV during the replay?
I’ve never watched a game on replay, but something gives me the feeling that I would…
by Oppenheimer919 on Feb 8, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Na Just drinkin and a big smile all the way through the game
Amazing our season started out with multiple acl tears and end that way to
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
It seems like not very long ago
I was somewhere in New Mexico, I think, driving to southern CA for my first real vacation in…. forever. Listening to the Giants / Pats preseason game and hearing Goff go down. I remember thinking that might have been the injury to push the whole thing over the edge. What a crazy season. They climbed a very steep road to get to the top this year.
by Oppenheimer919 on Feb 8, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Incrediable year
I think if we had to play one more game the whole team was gonna get Injuries. The Football Gods were just kind enough but they were about to turn on us.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I do
And I still get excited on great plays, even though I know what’s gonna happen
by soulless chimney on Feb 8, 2012 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes definitley..Otherwise your TV will forget who you are...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hahaha!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Haha. The only time i watch tv is when the Giants are on live and i am able to watch, otherwise i have nothing to do with the tv.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I think I was
at 1.5 or so on Sunday! LOL! Love it!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Hahaha!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hey Man
Going to send my e-mail to Ed for you, ok with that?
I just moved, downsized so to speak, and this damn new laptop.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
maybe
golf in the spring in FLA?
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Sounds good..Ed will send me your e-mail address..Keep me posted on your plans..
Schedule..so I can figure out if we can line something up…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
World Champs until they take it away from us
See you in September suckers
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Feb 8, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If the world does end at the end of Mayan calender then we are the champs FOREVER!
Rec’d
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
"And now the easiest part of a coach's job, the cuts..."
Said in my best Homer Simpson voice.
Jacobs, you’re cut. Diehl, cut. Sorry guys, but too much money for the production.
As for the free agents:
Manningham, cut. (Need that money for Nicks and Cruz.) McKenzie, cut.
T. Thomas, Weatherford, you stay.
Goff, Ross, a bunch of other reserve guys, you can stay at our price.
And for the potential hold outs: Osi, I guess I’d take a second round pick right now for him. I’d then make sure to talk to Kiwi about an extension and then use the extra pick to add OL or TE.
He has one more year on contract and probably will not worry and want to play. He knows the potential this team has for next season
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
For all the X and O freaks, this is a good article about the MM catch
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/02/06/mario.manningham.super.bowl.xlvi/index.html
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
Very nice...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
That's Great
Would love to see more stuff like this.
Ed, we desperately need a post on our cap room for 2012.
One that includes who’s not in it due to expiring contracts (with an estimate of what it would take in terms of a cap #, not necessarily the avg. yearly value, for 2012 to sign them).
Also, what we could in 2012 cap # for guys under contract we may cut: like Bernard, Jacobs, Diehl, etc.
I heard we were at about $123 million right now.
So some vets will have to go, but not an outrageous number.
I agree...
Over at MLB daily they are posting Team “Windows” that list players under contract for each of the next 3-4 years, how much they’re making and what type of contract, etc. I’d love to see something like that for the giants, so we knew what our team commitments looked like going forward, along with projected salary cap figures.
Deihl's got another year
and he’s versatle and can play RT if we can’t get someone ready and he can play G as well. They won’t cut him cause if we can’t find an RT or if Brewer is not ready, we don’t need a Wayne Hunter NYJ situation or Winston Justice. I know Diehl is average but it could be worse.
KMac, thanks, but he’s done. Deihl needs to stay for insurance purpsoses, Draft some Ts and sign a G or Ts
"Eli cooler than the other side of the pillow" Mario Manningham after Super Bowl XLVI
I like Diehl at T way better than at G.
But, if it’s Beatty and Brewer starting, how expensive a back up would he be.
I can't see how Brewer's starting next year
Even Beatty wasn’t a starter until his 3rd year and by all accounts Brewer’s farther away then Beatty. I think the starter at RT is either a FA (a FART), possibly Diehl if he restructures since he’s not making $8million with us, or possibly a draft pick tho this year’s draft is pretty slim in the OT department.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Ugoh
What’s the deal with Tony Ugoh? Wasn’t he a high pick for the Colts or something and went bust? Possible we unearth the talent that’s there? He sure seemed to come out of nowhere to play a pretty big role.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 8, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is,
Diehl wasn’t average. He was WAY below average. The Giants can pay a lot less money for way below average. There was a reason the Giants were dead last in rushing this year, and the offensive line play was a huge part of that reason. There will be more turnover than just letting McKenzie’s contract expire without offering him a new contract.
I am very happy for him to have gotten the second ring, because he has been a great Giant, willing to do whatever was asked of him for many years. But, if I were a betting man, he will be shown the same “thank you for your years of service” treatment that O’Hara and Seubert got last year.
Trent CoLOLe
“We had a bad year. We just couldn’t pull it off at the last minute. Andy (Reid) is a great coach," Cole said. "We were right there, inches away from being great, being a dominant, dominant team. I think some teams are going to be worried about playing us (in 2012)."
Ask and you shall receive!!
nywins42 = nywins46
Trent Cole
STF up . . .. that team is the all hype team
"Eli cooler than the other side of the pillow" Mario Manningham after Super Bowl XLVI
It may have been "inches away" from 9-7...
but only one team wins Super Bowls with a 9-7 regular season record
Ask and you shall receive!!
nywins42 = nywins46
What he's saying isn't bad
He’s not discrediting other teams and isn’t badmouthing his fellow teammates nor anointing the organization, I have no beef with this.
by TempusSpatium on Feb 8, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Geez..you guys don't take long to "Clean House"..hahaha
How much do you charge to “Haunt a House”…LOL
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ross and TT
I just do not see anyone really talking about Ross vs. TT. I do not think Prince is ready full time. Rolle will move back to safety next year and maybe use Sash in three Safety look. We need to sign Ross. I do not know what the extent of TT injury is and what he will be like coming back so maybe we can get him to sign a one year performance based contract. I really think Ross has developed well this year and should get a second deal from us.
Prince will start next year.
TT’s knee will determine his place. I’d love to see Prince and CWeb on the outside and TT covering the slot. I do want Ross back though…After 2007 and 2011, he has proven he can “Step Up and Make Big Plays”
Ask and you shall receive!!
nywins42 = nywins46
Prince is popular here in Phoenix. Several young men have waled up to me and said they went to HS with him and he was a monster player for their team.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Prince got better as things moved along
he starts as the Nickel CB next year, and depending on how Ross/TT/whoever plays in front of him, he might be transitioned into starting by midseason.
whenever Prince was out there in the playoffs he locked up his man
a full offseason and hopefully good health, I think this time next year he’s the best CB on the team (sorry andi…).
I do agree about Ross tho, I’d love to keep him. But as with anything there’s really no need to go crazy about resigning him. If Mook does what I think he’ll do, we’re talking about nickel corner. Witherspoon and Michael Coe looked pretty good in that role. We have a ton of talent coming back off IR, and it was mostly early season IR so they should be fully recovered.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Prince did a great job this post season.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
TT to Safety?
I can see TT moving to safety if his knee is not fully back. I always envisioned him putting on a few pounds and moving over at some point in his career anyway. Maybe the Grant role?
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 8, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
He was to play the Grant role this year
Thats why Grant was re signed after TT went down.
Him and Webby will be our starting CB’s…… Prince should be in the slot where i think he will be best.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Chad Jones
What if he can come back? My guess is no sooner than 2013, but let’s just dream while we’re all feeling good…
Dreadlocks of Doom being added to our secondary…along with a second-year Sash? That means some serious wood being laid down.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 8, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
i am worried that he will be like a rookie but a little old. He has been in shape but he will be stale.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
i am worried that he will be like a rookie but a little old. He has been in shape but he will be stale.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Besides we have moved on. i have nothing against the kid and hope he is productive for us.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Besides we have moved on. i have nothing against the kid and hope he is productive for us.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
SLOT CORNER
He plays slot corner, and Rolle can actually play safety. Win win win
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
"Luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." -Don Shula
"You just don't throw on Chase Blackburn.''
Im buying a Corey Webster Jersey
When does his contract expire? I don’t like having the same jersey’s like everyone else. I see him as a long time giant player
Go ahead, he's locked up
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
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