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New York Giants Free Agency: Strut 'Em Or Cut 'Em - Tight Ends

Next up on our ongoing Free Agency series are the Tight Ends. So far, we have covered the Wide Receivers. The New York Giants find themselves with a bit of a conundrum at this position. Last season, the front office watched the six-foot six-inch behemoth, more familiarly known as Kevin Boss, ride off into the sunset, after four seasons with Big Blue. The decision not to retain Boss seemed questionable, to say the least. As Giants fans are learning, however, Jerry Reese has an unrivaled eye for rock-solid talent at rock-bottom prices.

There are two very familiar names in the 2012 NFL Free Agency market, Visanthe Shiancoe and Jeremy Shockey. Both of these tight ends used to call the Meadowlands home. One of the first things Jerry Reese did when brought on board, in 2007, was release Shiancoe. The following year, he said farewell to Shockey. Boss made it a few years more than his positional predecessors. But Reese, the mild-mannered savant, filled the position, last season, with an athlete who has outperformed all three of the former-Giants since their release. That member of the Super Bowl XLVI Championship team, now finds himself with the, not-so-endearing scenario of - take it or leave it. Let's take a look.

Star-divide

Jake Ballard, who seemed to have materialized from thin air, made an immediate impact on the Giants organization. It wasn't long into the 2011 season that fans started to ask the question, "Kevin who?" Most people didn't know where he came from and weren't too concerned. He was producing in a big way and that is all anyone could ever hope for.

Ballard had some pretty big shoes to fill. Seeing as how he outweighed Boss by twenty-pounds and equaled his height, stepping into those shoes was not a difficult task. Ballard proved to be a tough competitor on the field, taking hits over the middle, getting back up and off to the races on the very next play. Those big, pounding hits wound up taking their toll. Jake injured his right knee against the Washington Redskins in Week 15.

Ballard did not return until the Wild-Card game against the Atlanta Falcons. He was not a major factor in the offensive game plan, as he typically was throughout the season. He only caught two-passes for sixteen-yards. it was obvious that his injury was not fully healed.

The following week, in the Divisional game against the Green Bay Packers, Jake was targeted eight times, having only caught one-pass. This, of course, was uncharacteristic of Ballard's performance in the regular season. In the Conference game against the San Francisco 49ers, Ballard was targeted once, but did not come down with the ball. In the Super Bowl, he was hit two-out-of-three times for a total of ten yards - and a long of nine.

It was in the fourth quarter in Super Bowl XLVI that Ballard's knee finally gave out. Coincidentally, backup tight end, Travis Beckum, injured his right knee in the first half of the game, leaving the Giants virtually depleted at the tight end position. Both of these individuals have since undergone knee surgery. But only Ballard is a free agent this year.

Jake Ballard is not just a free agent. He is an Exclusive Rights Free Agent. What does that mean? To put it simply, because Ballard only has two years of NFL experience, the Giants can offer him the three-year minimum salary for a veteran. Jake doesn't have to take it. If he doesn't, however, he will be have to leave the NFL. To further simplify it, he has to take it or leave it. You can guess what his choice will be.

Reports have already gone out that he and Travis Beckum will start on the PUP (Physically Unable To Perform) List at the start of the 2012 season. Ballard finds himself between a rock and a hard place. His performance, up until his injury, certainly warrants a few extra dollars. But he will not see them. If Jake Ballard were a three-year man in the NFL and wanted to add those extra shekels to his fanny pack, would you strut 'em or cut 'em?

With Beckum and Ballard starting the season off on the bench, that leaves Bear Pascoe to…um…bear the brunt of the load. The problem here is that he is a free agent. But wait. There's still more. He is actually a restricted free agent, meaning that if another team throws money at him, the Giants would have the opportunity to match it - providing they want to keep him. There are some other things that come into play with the restricted free agent, such as a team giving up a draft pick for a player, if they want him bad enough. But this is not likely to happen.

Bear Pascoe certainly proved that he can play. He is a good blocker. But the Giants haven't used him enough to truly showcase all of his abilities. Thus, he has not warranted any sort of interest from other teams around the league. Being that the G-Men are a bit short supplied in the tight end department, they will be forced to look around and acquire another tight end, either in the Free Agent market or in the Draft. Pascoe doesn't seem to hold enough stock to trade up in the Draft or for another player in the NFL. But one never knows what Jerry Reese has up his sleeve. If all things were equal, would you strut 'em or cut 'em?

Here's a little bonus, since there is only one player at this position. David Carr, the ten-year veteran, is on the market. Carr currently is the backup quarterback to Eli Manning. Carr spent five years as a starter for the Houston Texans, with mild success. With Eli Manning's iron man streak in full force, it is highly unlikely that we will see Carr doing any "Discount Double Checks" in the near future. However, as we witnessed this past season with the injury of Peyton Manning, having a primo backup quarterback could make or break a season.

Can David Carr step in and lead the New York Giants to a winning season? There is no other backup quarterback after Carr. If Manning and Carr were injured, "at the end of the day" you might see Antrel Rolle throwing the ball. Carr is no spring chicken. Is it in the Giants best interest to seek out a quality backup? Is it time for another "Hefty Lefty?" It will be interesting to see how this plays out. David Carr, do you strut 'em or cut 'em?

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How Does QB

get into this article at the end? Copy and paste error?

As far as TEs, surprised you didn’t mention Christian Hopkins from the practice squad, whom Reese has spoken very highly about recently.

I’ve posted this elsewhere, but here’s a raw, short video I found on YouTube of Hopkins at U. Toledo. Looks pretty athletic to me, and is just as big as Ballard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsmJtfRyqfA

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

"Bonus"

Oops – is that what you meant by bonus? Sticking a section on QBs in there? If so, I get it now…

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"Here's a little bonus, since there is only one player at this position."

An entire article about David Carr? Only if he hit the lottery or saved a child from a burning building.

by Sean Kerr on Feb 22, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Or actually saw the field during a game

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

would’ve been helpful to put a bold header or something above that section, it just sort of blended in. You know, for us dummies. ;)

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I Knew

I could count on you Sean. Even better if the highlighter is pink. ;)

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Stay on point!

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Paranormal Activity 4?

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Now Fester

You roll that pink pointer over some cleavage, we’re onto something…

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

About as close as I could get

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

bad dog!

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Worse dog!

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao. Not that is messed up.

Demented is the person with the laser pointer.

The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.

by Handsome Stranger on Feb 22, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG!!!!!!!!!....Hahahahahaha!!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

or pulled a jeff hostetler

Since everyone and their grandma have a mock draft, i guess i'll do one too
1st Rd: Micheal Floyd, WR Norte Dame, 2nd Rd: Dontari Poe, DT Memphis, 3rd Rd: LaMicheal James, RB Oregon, 4th Rd: Keenan Robinson, LB Texas, 5th Rd: Ryan Miller, G Colorado, 6th Rd: Matt Reynolds, T BYU, 7th Rd: Drake Dunsmore, TE Northwestern

by sweatyguido on Feb 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

but damn…were they recording that on a nanny cam from a blimp?

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Try this to make a cam

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Uhm

If that’s a cam, I won’t be putting it to my face

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats just the shut'er

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 23, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

JR will have us prepared at the TE position.

I expect a competition between a practice-squad guy, an under-the-radar veteran FA TE available, a draft pick in the later rounds, and Pascoe. I’m sure this competition will net a good player for us that can replace Ballard or fill in for him until he’s healthy late in the 2012 season.

One FA that is interesting to me is Joel Dreessen of the Texans. He’s a FA (not sure whether he’s exclusive or what) and has always filled in capably as a blocker and receiver when Owen Daniels has gone down. Because Daniels is the man and because of the presence of a talented backup TE/FB in James Casey, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Texans let Dreessen walk. We could potentially reap the benefits if/when they do. Thoughts?

Manning, lobbs it.. Burress, Alone!... TOUCHDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN NEW YORK!!

by mahmoodzaky on Feb 22, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting

on Dreessen.

Similar situation is the Packers – don’t they have like 5 TEs on their roster? I know Jermichael Finley is a FA, but I wonder if any of the others are as well. There could be some underground talent we could pluck out of Titletown.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Dreessen

I see will be 30 years old when camp starts. Shiancoe will be 32. Just a feeling, but I’d guess JR will want to err on the side of youth rather than age. We rarely sign older guys.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If one of these Top TE are there

In the late 1st round I would not be shocked JR takes him. If he can get an immediate impact player on offense to free up our WR’s. I think he does it, then goes OL, LB, RB in the next 3 rounds.

Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?

by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Keys: Ross, Pope

You know, I’d love a Dwayne Allen or Coby Fleener in Round 1, I think a lot of it depends on what Marc Ross and his scouts have dug up for the later rounds, and what Mike Pope has also seen on tape (the way he helped scout Ballard from Ohio State).

I think organizationally the Giants are predisposed to want to get TEs later in the draft if possible. If Ross and Pope identify a handful of guys that they see as late-round picks or UDFAs, then TEs could be out of the discussion.

However, if the TE crop is thin, then it becomes more likely we will grab one early.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Since Shockey, all other late rounds or FA. But now the way this offense plays its so high octane he might want one more stud to really make this " the greatest show at Metlife". Think what we could have with a Shockey in his prime type player in this offense. Your LB’s & DB’s are f__ked trying to cover the TE and worry about the WR’s. Could be the sickest thing ever!

Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?

by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 22, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

but if we’re confronted with a choice between, say:

Peter Konz
Dontari Poe
Mark Barron
Zach Brown
Coby Fleener

I am not sure we go with the TE in that case. Just because of what we value positionally.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know much about these guys

I guess Im just a TE homer, but this Fleener Stanford graduate smart dude, that is what I want on my team in this offense.

Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?

by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 22, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be pretty shocked.

I would be OK with the pick but it would definitely surprise me. TEs, like RBs, Guards, and Centers are not positions the Giants seem to philosophically like to draft under JR before the 3rd round.

Maybe this pick is a defensive end. Whether Osi remains for the year or is traded, it’s doubtful he is signed to a new contract. It’s also the last year of Kiwi’s two-year deal. We know what we like to do on defense, and I’m sure the Giants would love to bring a top-tier guy in this year to learn and hopefully be that third guy behind Tuck and JPP once Kiwi and Osi are gone.

Manning, lobbs it.. Burress, Alone!... TOUCHDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN NEW YORK!!

by mahmoodzaky on Feb 22, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Mahmood, let me just say

your sig is to me the greatest call in a football game ever! Every time I hear Buck call it I get goosebumps. Yeah, but like I said this is the highest powered O they ever had in the history of the franchise and if can add a real stud pass catching YAC TE he might just pull the trigger.

Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?

by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 22, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Love that call too. Really embelishes the finality of an incredible game.

The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.

by Handsome Stranger on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I get chills every time too

Never fails, no matter how much time passes! A real stud at TE would definitely be amazing. It would transform this offense- not even the Patriots with their 2 great TEs or the Saints would be able to match the kind of firepower Cruz, Nicks and a Graham/Gronk/Gates kind of guy would bring!

Manning, lobbs it.. Burress, Alone!... TOUCHDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN NEW YORK!!

by mahmoodzaky on Feb 22, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

did you notice that once Burris scored that TD, both Buck and Aikman were silent until the extra kick. They sat their in shock at the possibility that media darlings Patriots might actually lose that game. They sat there all snuffed and you could hear in their silence that they hated that moment. Not go back and listen to them when the Patriots scored the TD. They were in love with Pats and Brady.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

DEs

are very weak in this draft. Unlikely we get a stud at 32. There may not be a true stud in the entire draft, Coples is the highest ranked but is no slam dunk.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to keep Bear

for his familiarity with the offense and his blocking skill. You can bring in a FA and promote Chris Hopkins as the 3rd.

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

especially since Bear can also play fullback. He pretty much has to stay.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree very much with passion

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with this.

Undoubtedly one from the draft too. Where in the draft is the question.

The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.

by Handsome Stranger on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And talking about Bear makes me fondly remember this GIF

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Bear is for sure staying

No question. The only healthy TE they have.

Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?

by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

haha this is a great scene

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That play was HUGE.

Set the tone early and kept the drive and the Giants ALIVE.

Now in section 133.

by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 22, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And buried the Cowboys

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Lil frisky today BB?

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Naaah just going the direction of the wind and the flow

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 23, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Lose Beckum...Keep Ballard and the Bear...and draft a couple....

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

Yup, correcto

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.

by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Beckum is a bust, I'd give him an injury settlement and move on

Get Jake healthy and either sign or draft another TE or two.

Respect all fear none.

by Late for Dinner on Feb 22, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Antrel Roll is an interception machine

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yes....at the end of the day...yes

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

At the end of the day, I will LOL at this...

The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.

by Handsome Stranger on Feb 22, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought

it was Eli who was interception machine

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How much money are they paying Carr

I don’t think he mind getting payed and holding the clipboard while Eli does his thing. Is he saying he wants to be a starter or does he want to hang around and let Eli get him another ring

by rbman3 on Feb 22, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Perriloux

They went through a lot to keep him around, along with Selvish Capers. They must really like him, so who knows? Maybe there’ll be a competition for the No. 2 spot.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Giants only keep two QBs on the roster

so more than likely, if they retain Carr, he’ll be the backup and Perriloux will be on the PS.

As far as TE’s go, interesting situation because Ballard and Beckum won’t count towards 53 man roster…and we kept only 3 TEs last year.

I want to say:

Pascoe, Hopkins, draftpick/FA to start the year, with Ballard filling in for Hopkins (goes back to PS) and Becks getting IR’d after the PUP.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't see Beckum sticking.

Injury settlement and see ya.

It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

by SNORKIS on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Carr

likely stays right where he is, agreed, I just find it curious how much they seem to like Perriloux. Possible he snags the backup role and they cut Carr.

Regarding the TEs, I would doubt Hopkins goes back to the PS if he makes a leap forward in the offseason. My guess is that neither Ballard or Beckum is going to make any impact in 2012, they could both be IR’d, in which case we really need to think in terms of a long-term, true starter solution at the position.

Maybe Hopkins becomes this year’s Ballard, or more likely we at least explore other options simultaneously.

Or draft Dwayne Allen or Coby Fleener. ;)

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey

I’m down widdit.

I guess it’s somehow a part of the run-and-shoot concept, but I really don’t know why we just discard the TE position in our offense when it could be such a weapon. Personally I think emphasizing the TEs will both open up our run game and greatly enhance throwing the ball.

Maybe I’m missing the downside.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Pure Run-and-Shoot

offenses didn’t even have a TE.

I am pretty sure that’s where the core concept comes from. We’re running a hybrid variation of the R&S, and so the TE gets deemphasized.

So the QB and WRs are everything. But it just seems obvious that a dynamic TE would do wonders for this offense.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Perriloux

I think you meant to say that “Perriloux will be on the practice squad…then off the pracitce squad….then on the practice squad…then off the practice squad…then….well, you get the point”.

by Masakari on Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

the question is why? Why bother doing all that if you don’t seriously like the kid’s potential? That’s all I’m saying.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved what I saw from him in preseason last year

I bet he gets a chance against better comp next year.

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 22, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Perriloux is our resident revolving door person.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And his name sounds like an STD

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Carr's was 1 year at the vet minimum for 2011...$860K

The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.

by Handsome Stranger on Feb 22, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

With Bear being a RFA could a team make us use cap space we might just not use to mess with us. RFA means you get to match what ever offer another team offers the RFA.

"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs

by Giantstep on Feb 22, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

That would be a gamble because the Giants could always decide

not to match it.

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd

have to like Pascoe an awful lot to sign him as an RFA, especially if there’s a risk of having to give up a draft pick. I doubt he’ll be in that high demand.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

wait til market value for Pascoe rears it's head.

Don’t overpay for him.
Cut Becky. Sorry, you showed some promise near the end of the year, but seriously, this guy just can’t stay healthy. Nor does he really seem to be a big enough talent to keep waiting on.
Ballard, offer him that Minimum shit with incentives just because he deserves them.
Draft Allen.

Find Carr’s price tag, tel him it has to come down a bit for cap reasons, if he accepts, great, if not move on. Bottom line hear is without Eli the Giants are done.

You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!

by Flynner on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Tom Brady might want to play for a winner....

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Heheheheheheheheheheh

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 22, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can't beat'em, join'em

The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.

by Handsome Stranger on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Brady should look for a new job now.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Our TE coach, Mike Pope.....

He’s been coaching our tight ends since Bavaro and Cross, he’s the best in the biz. He will have somebody ready to play.

by jerseydevildog on Feb 22, 2012 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder to what extent a great QB produces good TEs

If you look at the non-Eli top QBs, they all have what are considered top TEs.

Brees – Graham, before him Shockey
Brady – Gronk/Hernandez
Rogers – Finley
P. Manning – Clark
Romo – Witten
Rivers – Gates
Big Ben – Heath Miller (borderline)
Ryan – Gonzales

I guess my point is that I wonder to what extent quality TEs are completely the product of quality QBs, even more so that wide receivers. The routes they tend to run are usually simple and short. A good QB can quickly check down to the TE on almost any play, and a guy who is that big can be more or less always open when an accurate QB is throwing to him. I’d say the obvious exception to this theory is Gonzales, as he didn’t have anybody special throwing to him all those years in KC. This could explain why most teams don’t invest top picks in the position. Just like a good back is usually the product of a good o-line, the good TE is a product of a quality quarterback.

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by rich316 on Feb 22, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting Question

but it could be a chicken-and-egg problem. Tony Gonzalez was great no matter who threw him the ball in Kansas City. I suspect Gronk would be great anywhere, Witten the same. The issue is there is currently an inefficiency in football where there are special athletes at TE that are matchup nightmares for defenses.

Eventually the inefficiency will be smoothed out.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

true about the matchup problem

The Giants are actually way ahead of the curve on that one, with playing basically a base “big nickel” the past two years. That could eventually become the base defense for most teams in the NFL. And guys like J-Will, who once would have been only nickel linebackers, will become starting linebackers.

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by rich316 on Feb 22, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Zach Brown

becomes a more viable option as well for us for that very reason. Probably won’t slip to 32, but he’s another guy I wouldn’t mind grabbing off the board.

Like I said, the inefficiency is going to go away, but for the next few years, teams can really exploit it with these big Jimmy Graham type athletes.

The NFL’s rules are also helping to push things in a certain direction as well, no way to know when they’ll feel they’ve gone too far in the direction of helping the offense.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You're flaw is in thinking Romo is a top QB

Witten makes Romo look better than he actually is.

by nj23nut on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Romo will not make it in the big games.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Pascoe is 283 pounds

believe he comes back to his old waits and runs faster be next years Ballard.

by NYGFan777 on Feb 22, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

well dont know wats happening to my posts.......

Iam sounding like Petrus.

Meant to say Pascoe should loose some weight …may be back to his old weight.
so that he can be this years Ballard.

by NYGFan777 on Feb 22, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That was epic

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to post this after reading that!

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It had to be done...

nice

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO. Evrytime i see that guy in the back i am ROFL ,,, Hehehehehhe

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

We've all been down that road before...

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Then Dad fed me my first Budweiser....Rec'd

Man that was sweet….hahaha

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

ha even here you have a typo...

you said “loose” instead of “lose.” one of those days, i guess?

by bmanley620 on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Us be picky

perish the thought!

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

ed.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Noted*

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Victor Cruz highlights...

YouTube

One of the things you can’t miss in this video is how well Eli moves in the pocket to avoid pressure and get that ball out. It’s crazy.

I’d like to request the Weatherford “going to the Super Bowl” gif…

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Stevie

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!

by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 22, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There have been many great memories and momentos from the 2011 season

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Good times

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 22, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

I think that if we draft a TE in the first, then we will go FA for the Oline, and maybe 2nd round.

If we go Oline in the first, then TE in FA, and maybe Oline in the 2nd again. I think that’s how it might go. Just a thought.

by BigBlue9091 on Feb 22, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Brandon Jacobs

should be turned into a T E ! He’s got all the skills: can block, catch and run, opens up a running back spot, knows the play book, etc etc etc. its a win win. why hasn’t anyone thought of this yet?

by smaugtheterrible on Feb 23, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Good point and i have been saying this for sometime now.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 23, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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