PFF Pass Blocking Efficiency, Guards And Centers: Please Hide Me From David Diehl
by Ed Valentine on Feb 22, 2012 9:44 AM EST
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PrintOn Tuesday we talked about the 2011 Pass Blocking Efficiency Ratings from Pro Football Focus for offensive tackles. The numbers were ugly for David Diehl and Kareem McKenzie of the New York Giants.
Well, today we are back with PFF's Pass Blocking Efficiency Ratings for guards and centers. Since I am passing this along all I can do is ask that none of you tell Diehl where I live. He's a lot bigger than I am, and my guess is he can outrun me.
Yes, the ratings for guards are not kind to the Giants' veteran offensive lineman. PFF ranks Diehl as the worst pass blocking guard among 72 NFL linemen who played at least 200 snaps at the position. Diehl surrendered five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard. That equated to an efficiency rating of 92.8.
Like me, PFF's Khaled Elsayed would like to stay far, far away from Diehl at this point. He wrote:
"Honestly, we're not trying to start a fight with a big guy like David Diehl, but rather just pointing out some numbers. Yesterday we told you he was the worst-ranked tackle in the league when it came to giving up pressure, and he's about to complete the double, because he's also the worst-ranked guard. The Giants' lineman gave up five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard; comfortably worse than the next weakest effort by Zane Beadles of the Denver Broncos. Diehl may bring a lot to the table off the field, but simply put, if you're watching him on it, you're likely to be watching him get beat wherever he lines up."
As for me, I am pleading for Diehl's mercy. Dave, when somebody inevitably brings this to your attention remember I didn't compile these numbers. I'm just the messenger.
How about center David Baas? Well, he ranked 25th out of 34 centers rated by PFF. Baas allowed 12 pressures in 369 snaps, finishing with a 97.6 pass blocking efficiency rating.
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And people knock Petrus for his pass blocking.
Honestly I think with some coaching, Petrus is going to be a reaaaaally good LG for us. He’s got that run blocking, mauler mentality, and now all he needs to do is work on getting set and picking up blitzes during his pass blocking, and we’ll be set at the Guard position.
agreed, petrus is incredibly strong, he should be better than diehl
The 2011-2012 New York Giants are World Champions!
by NewYork! on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Petrus may be "younger" and "stronger" than David Diehl (whatever those "skills" mean to you).
But he is certainly NOT “better” than David Diehl.
Petrus has a long way to go to reach Diehl’s level of play and “no”, being able to run-block means nothing in the NFL.
Petrus being a bad pass blocker has nothing to do with his "run blocking, mauler mentality".
Anybody in the NFL can block on running plays because there’s relatively no imagination to it:
You’re not asked to read your opponent.
You’re not asked to read your teammates.
Run-blocking is assignment football. Which is why anybody can do it. There is virtually no need for an O-Lineman to study his opponent on film for run-plays. But pass-plays have a high degree of decision-making and adaptation. Which is why the Giants have one of the better stables of Offensive Linemen in the NFL.
I know of no coaches in any league that evaluates its Linemen based on Passing-Whatever-Efficiency (Neil Hornsby, take a seat).
It’s like evaluating a Quarterback based on Combine statistics. Once you’re on the team, nobody cares about your numbers; your play is broken down on film and you’re evaluated based on how you read and adapt to developing plays on the field – in regards to your teammates as well as to your opponent. Hornsby tries to throw this dynamic out the window to generate what might as well be a random number.
Diehl
started as a rookie.
Petrus will be going into his 3rd year. Why would he not be ready by now? Is he that much of a doofus?
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
You're wondering about Petrus' "potential". I'm observing where he is right now in relation to Diehl.
And the evaluation parameters are based on a number nobody I know uses, and being “incredibly strong”.
Except in extreme circumstances, being a little bit stronger is a very limited advantage in the NFL. Hence all the film study. Hence all the practice and coordination. Hence the reason why so many “incredibly strong” players wash out.
The Giants will have to turn over their O-Line to a younger generation, no doubt.
But the problem with Hornsby’s statistic is that it encapsulates a mentality fit only for fantasy football, not real football analysis. It’s a number for marketability and flair, not a decoder ring for on-the-field performance.
Hornsby
nobody’s defending from what I see.
But you’re making blanket comments about Petrus’ inability to take over the role based on no evidence.
We know what Diehl is, we appreciate what he’s done, but just as we see the decline in K-Mac’s play, we see the same thing in Diehl.
Also, we’ve seen glimpses of what Petrus can do, and at the very least it’s encouraging. The kid was drafted for a reason, he’s been groomed for 2 years, he should be ready.
Same pattern we followed with Will Beatty…who also replaced Diehl and played better than him.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Our Each Oline Player should be a stud and do this to opposing defenses all by himself
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Diehl stinks
He’s been terrible for 2 seasons. He’s not bad. He’s terrible. For anyone to suggest likewise is ignorant and foolish. Diehl starts and plays ahead of Petrus because of trust. TC trusts Diehl.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
by GMen56-11 on Feb 23, 2012 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anybody in the NFL can block on running plays because there’s relatively no imagination to it:
You may want to give Diehl that memo.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz
Asking who the best and worst player on the O-Line is assanine but I'll play along just for kicks:
It demonstrates an ignorance of how the league actually works with matters of “suitability, proficiencies and skill-sets” (the “fit”).
Again, I’ll play along:
'Who is the Offensive Line's "best" and "worst" player'?
The “Best” player is Eli Manning.
There should be no surprise there. Ask any NFL coach and he’ll admit that an O-Line’s biggest asset isn’t a Pro-Bowl Guard or Tackle. No player “in” the O-Line has as much affect on pass protection and rushing production as the Quarterback.
The Giants have a good one, no doubt.
Who is the O-Line’s Worst player?
It’s not my original idea, but I wish I thought of it mid-season when one of my contacts pointed it out:
The worst player – by far – is Brandon Jacobs.
Of all the players on the field, he is – by far – the worst detriment to that Giants Pass-protection. Just as a guard’s inability to block effectively can be caused by the poor blocking of his teammates, the chief weakness the Giants O-Line has been covering for is their weak RBs, and Brandon Jacobs most of all.
Running Back play – like Quarterback play – has a huge effect on the O-Line’s performance in pass protection.
A Good Running Back can knock a Defensive line back on its heels before teh ball is even snapped – affording the O-Linemen an insurmountable advantage.
Jacobs is not a Good Running Back. The D-Line consistently bum-rushed the Giants without even a hint of hesitation in stuffing the middle. It didn’t matter if the Giants ran a rushing play up the middle or on the wings or a pass play or whatever. Again, the Giants opponents didn’t CARE whether or not the Giants ran a pass play or a run play ESPECIALLY if Jacobs was the ball-carrier. If he runs up the middle, it is already overloaded. If he tried to get to the sidelines, all the better. If it was a pass play, the line is already overloaded – what is Jacobs going to do? Block? Receive? So the Giants are virtually down a player on any pass protection. Any NFL O-Line in that situation is going to be crushed over the course of a full game. Strength is not the issue. It’s game-planning and deterrence.
A Good Running Back reads plays effectively just as surely as a Quarterback does and can make (or break) his team’s pass protection by shoring up the line, plugging the gaps or running into the flat for a pass. Even if he doesn’t actually receive the pass, the mere THREAT that he can sometimes completely halts a pass rush from that side.
Jacobs is not a Good Running Back. Despite his size, he’s an ineffective blocker. He’s also not the sharpest tool in the shed (nobody in the NFL pretends otherwise). As for receiving, every D-Line in the league paid absolutely no attention to Jacobs. Eli shies away from him whenever he’s near the pocket (that’s the most telling indicator really).
Who was the biggest difference-maker for Chicago’s pass protection?
Matt Forte.
When Defensive coordinators discovered that he meant business, Jay Cutler stopped getting hit.
The most extreme case of Before/After pass-protection is the Denver Broncos. A young O-Line with poor pass-protection skills suddenly became a “Juggernaut” mid-season.
Except it’s not true.
The reason why the pass-protection improved to such a degree that it turned the Steelers pass rushers into lethargic spectators had nothing to do with the skill or improvement of the O-Line. An O-line composed of CORNERBACKS could have stopped the Steelers pass-rushers on that playoff day.
The biggest improvement in the Broncos pass protection came on the play of Mcgahee, the scheme of McCoy, and – most of all – the coalescence of both around a centerpiece who played both Quarterback and Runningback to great effect.
Jacobs
only played 30% of our snaps. So how is he—"by far"—our OL’s biggest problem?
I think there’s some value in what you’re saying, but I think you’re deflecting attention away from the main point of the post, which is Diehl.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Jacobs has been in this offense for 7 years – his tenure at RB has occurred at the same time as Diehl…as well as the same OL that used to be ranked at the top of the NFL.
Face it: The great line we had got old. Seubert and O’Hara went first, now McKenzie and Diehl will go. Snee will be next if he doesn’t bounce back next year after 2 down years.
Jacobs will also likely be gone, for what it’s worth.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Who is this guy?...geezus...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ahmad Bradshaw is useful but despite his numbers, he was actually ineffective for much of the playoffs.
Whether that was due to injury or not is debatable. The important point is that it IS a debate for Defenses when they size up the Giants next year. He is “capable” of creating doubt, deterring a Defense from overwhelming his team’s line up the middle.
If coaches had a criticism of fan analysis, it’s that the fans concentrate too much on the play that results and not enough on the play before and just after the snap (out of the set position). That is the fulcrum through which Runningbacks effect the plays most; that brief window of decision when Defenders lean sideways to cover the gaps or pin their ears back and explode right into the Offensive Linemen.
That’s what NFL coaches are zeroing in on in the film room; those decision thresholds and WHY those decisions were made.
Everybody wants to blame the O-Line when its a matter of watching dynamics rather than any part in isolation.
Bradshaw is fairly effective in pass protection. And many of his most effective “blocks” are not all that physical.
Because he is “capable” of exploiting the flanks, Defenders have to send bodies to contain him. Once they’re committed to containment on the flanks, the O-Line’s job in the middle becomes ALOT easier. It’s easier to deflect a Defender’s momentum to the outside than it is to push back a frontal assault so Bradshaw doesn’t have to deal with those situations as often. All Manning has to do is step up in the pocket to avoid most edge rushers because the middle of the line is NOT overwhelmed. It’s also important to note the effect of the Receivers on pass protection and how their reads and capability (or lack thereof in Manningham’s case) TO read a defense affects a Defensive formation and decision-making but that’s a different discussion.
Bradshaw isn’t a great reader of defenses (some of that may have to do with his size/height and the way he plays low to the ground) but he’s certainly not bad. And although it’s less important, Bradshaw has the ability to maneuver around the pocket to protect Eli WITHOUT disrupting Eli’s rhythm (again, partly because he’s nimble).
Bradshaw can make a physical block at times in spite of his size but he plays like tht to his own disadvantage. His best block is a “chip”. He can stop a pass rusher in his tracks by chipping him and running right PAST him. The rusher then has a decision to make based on what Eli does. Note that Eli’s reputation to pass effectively in the face of an on-coming rush makes Bradshaw that much more of a deterrent in pass protection.
So does a Defender go all out in blowing by Bradshaw? After all, screen passes and short routes are an age-old counter to blitz packages AS LONG AS the Receivers recognize the blitz fast enough (sometimes Bradshaw doesn’t and mistakenly tries to go mano-a-mano with much larger, slower Defenders which he shouldn’t). All these factors and more give Defenders a lot to think about even before the teams meet on the field because Bradshaw has demonstrated a capability, if not a propensity.
For the Giants, Bradshaw gives the Offense and Eli Manning options. For Defenders Bradshaw is a debate on risk/reward in the film room, in practice and on the field. And that’s what the Giants need next season.
He was not as good in the playoffs as his statistics suggest and his coaches certainly know that (hopefully he does too and improves). But neither was he a liability and he definitely earned his ring.
Nah
The one constant over the last few years is that we’ve had the same running backs—while the line play has simultaneously deteriorated from the top to bottom in the NFL.
Your arguments have some validity in, say, blitzing situations, but they’re mostly a red herring that distract from the obviously declining abilities of some of our linemen, getting blown off the ball by younger, stronger dudes that overpower them in both running and passing situations.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
You need to stop writing books..Do it in a fanpost..that way..
I can ignore it…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
u do understand this makes no sense what so ever
and go’s against everything ive watched over the past few yrs??
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz
This whole thread and sub-threads has been a fantastic read and in fact whatever i have read so far from what Ed said until now is so well said that i am in awe. Good job my fellow Giants fans.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
We all know
DD needs to become a sub and cut his contract way down. Otherwise, he should be gone.
Beatty-Boothe/Petrus-Baas-Snee-?
KMac is a goner and if you count on DD, Eli will get pancaked. Brewer does not seem ready yet.
We need to do some good drafting/FA work. JR will be on it for sure.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions
As far as I'm concerned, there are only 2 FA guys that are probably worth it, and I don't know how much they'd cost.
Jared Gaither is an LT only, and would push Beatty to RT. Problem is Gaither is injury prone.
Demetrius Bell probably could play RT, though is going to cost a pretty penny.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
But how do we get rid of him???
I think if we cut him his most of his salary hits our cap still. The details of his last extension were never fully outlined. The websites that show it are inaccurate and guessing.
All we know is he makes less money if he starts the year at a starting guard instead of a starting tackle and how much his salary hits our cap if we keep him.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 22, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I don't believe he has any roster bonuses this year, so we wouldn't have much of a hit if we cut him
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Usually you can assume
That when a player hits the last couple of years of a multi-year extension, which is where DD is, there is not much left of the signing bonus left to hit the cap as dead money if you cut him. Whether or not the reports are 100% accurate, it does seem like he’s got $8 million of salary pretty much evenly spread out over the next two seasons. It would therefore be pretty likely that the Giants would pick up $4 million of cap space the next two years if they were to cut him.
Jacobs has a couple million that will be dead money if you cut him, but that is very likely due to the recent restructure. Deihl hasn’t had a recent restructure, so there probably isn’t much left on his cap value other than salary.
The football season never ends. It just changes what I'm arguing about depending on the month.
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When coming to the Giants
No OLman is ever ready their First year.
Beatty wasnt, Petrus wasnt, Now Brewer wasnt. Cant say you dont feel as if Brewer will ever be ready, when its our MO for them not play.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Low draft picks
i know it takes time for rookies to adjust to the NFL. High draft picks are expected to start sometime during their first year. Lower draft picks take more time. Unfortunately, JR doesn’t like to use high draft picks on O-line. I hope he changes his mind this year.
BPA
I think he would like to draft OL in the first, its just all the good ones are gone… or, there is a better non OL on the board at the time.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
It's amazing we won the SB
Imagine how good we’ll be with a better 0-line.
Exactly what I was thinking
We won the SB with:
The worst LG then the worst LT after Beatty went out
One of the worst RT
A RG that was not playing as well as he could
A C that was hit or miss
Subbing with a phone Boothe
Middling to average TEs, best one out a few times
LB injuries galore with CB double that
We cannot be better next year in terms of final results but the team has to be better if only half of the problems are solved and half of the injured players return healthy.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
That why I love this game
Heart and determination and the will to win make up for a lot of deficiencies in Football. Who wanted it more we did and that is why we our Super Bowl Champions.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
by costanza! on Feb 22, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
07 and 11 showed
That playing as a Team, not as a group of individuals will win more times then not. A group of great players are fun to speculate on (Eggles) but if they do not play for each other, they will not succeed. Lincoln said it best,
A house divided, cannot stand
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
More i think about 2011 Giants and our coaches
the more impressed i am in what a fantastic job got done this past season. Team survived some serious injuries, overcame adversity, kept locker-room dissent out, they had faith in themselves and each other and then themselves as a team. They knew they could get it done and they delivered.
Bravo to my Giants!
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Wow, all the time I thought it was Blackmon and Beckum that won it for us
Actually, what you said is true. Attitude and determination are the major unseen factor.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well, yeah, attitude, determination...
and a great quarterback.
The football season never ends. It just changes what I'm arguing about depending on the month.
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I think Beatty would've done a lot better
if he had a solid player holding his own next to him. Diehl was no help.
Both the Eagles and the Cowboys moved O-linemen around to give help to their younger guys.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
I think Beatty only gave up 3 sacks as it was in the time he played.
Which puts him in the upper tier of LTs as it is. Gave up more pressures than I’d like, but there it is.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Plus
Even when it was Beatty and Deihl, most of us thought Deihl made Beatty look worse than he was..
So if Beatty is Upper Tier with Deihl, imagine what he will look like when we upgrade the Guard posistion.
Also, just have to add, the same thing could be said about Deihl and having to play with Baas… Baas could have messed up the coverages and made Deihl look even worse.
Just think, you have an offseason now, with talented depth and with the OL gelling during the SB run… things look pretty good for next year.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Yeah. I think Boothe/Petrus are good for the LG position. Saw a definite upswing in Baas' play when Boothe
was next to him on the left side as opposed to Diehl, so I’m willing to say it wasn’t Baas…it was Diehl.
that being said, we just learned he was playing with a broken hand. The xray of it looked terrible. Major props for Diehl. I think if we can find an adequate replacement for KMac (either confidence in Brewer, FA, or high draft pick), Diehl should go, but I’ll be saddened that he is for all that he’s given. I think he’s Eli’s best friend on the team as well.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I'm giving Baas a pass since he was injured...Hopefully he comes out full steam this season..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
No Offseason
Either, so actually going through the offseason program, a full camp, etc., should help a lot as well.
Maybe he’s just a very introverted guy, but his body language in interviews made him seem like a bit of a fish out of water coming to New York, the comfort factor will be huge, I think.
Especially now that he has that shiny thing on his finger.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Tough without a full offseason..Especially for a newly acquired Center...
No way he had the chance to be able to call out blocking assignments…I’m sure he’ll be fine this year…I like Boothe..and Petrus..I hope Brewer is ready to show some stuff…I am always advocating O-line in the draft, but we may be okay with what we have..When you draft O-linemen it is a project for the future with rare exceptions..I still believe Tight End is a must need in this draft..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I Hope So
We must’ve seen something on his tape with the 49ers that we loved, otherwise we’d have never spent that kind of dough on him. I’m hoping he does a Boley, Canty, Bernard type of rebound after a poor first season here.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Allen!
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Yes!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Improve the OL, get a TE that can get out of his own way
so when you use the one-two TE set, you don’t have to wait a year for the guy to get out of his break.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
We do need more protection for Eli or he will soon be
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
So in total
9 Sacks, 8 hits, and 48 hurries?
So in 626 snaps of pass protection (btw, that should be 380 snaps, not 280, Ed), David Diehl failed 65 times. For a grand total of: Godawful.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
that's awful
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Agree. This is how we were at times and got Eli clobbered.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Little history behind this photo...
Eli complained to TC and PF about the offensive line not providing him the protection that he needs. They were a bit skeptical and radioed into his helmet and asked him to point out where this “pressure” was coming from. Then you arrive at Eli pointing and screaming “THEY ARE RUNNING RIGHT PAST THAT SOB!!!!”""
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
Pull up! Pull up!
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions
I bet that was the one time bobbi was sober
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 22, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
He probably still pooped his pants
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
That'll make you shit Twinkies!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
What do you think he yelled on the up swing????
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I know what I'd yell..but I'll refrain!!!hahaha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Not without a load of shit in your pants..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Plus it motivates you..LOL!!
I can’t tell from the gif..but that plane has fixed wheels..(they are just under the fusealoge) I can’t recall the model..but it was able to touchdown and get airborne again..I’ll think of it and then forget to tell you..hahaha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Are you sure?
I don’t see any wheels? The plane looks WWII’ish and by the GIF, i can only think of the P-51 Mustang or the Corsair? Then again, i can’t remember if those planes had retractable gear?
No I'm not sure to be honest I can't tell from this gif..There were planes with
Nonretractable gear..I have to think about it..But yeah this is definitely a WWII era aircraft and the only way that plane did that is if it had fixed wheels under the belly..I know I’ll think of it here at some point..The picture is just to fuzzy..It wasn’t a Mustang..It could be a P-51 or a Corsair…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I go with the P-51
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
This was in fact a P-51..It's been bothering me all day...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
So at that base where that plane was flying low,
did they supply everyone diapers?
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
And safety pins!!..hahaha..No Pampers or Depends back in those days..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Diehl needs his career to do this......
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
OL depth
Tony Moll (G/RT) and Samson Satele ©
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
you copyrighting Satele?
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Damn, if he makes it big
GD will make a mint from the NFL and the networks
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
It was (C)
It turned into a copyright symbol.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
I figured
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 22, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Ghostdini can i use that guys name?
Do i have legal permission without infringing on copyrights?
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I got dibs
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I think Diehl's problem is that his head looks like a T-Rex
Head too big, fall over.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 22, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions
Isin't Khaled the same guy
who wants to have Samuels, Wilson, and Scandrick as his Cornerbacks on his All East team?!?!?
pardon me if i don’t give a hoot about his opinion or his analysis
Fire Fewell
Everyone wants that...you are the only person who disagrees
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
who is samuels? Is he the horrible other side of asante samuel who can't make a tackle to save his life?
Eli Manning is The Boston Strangler
The 2011 New York Giants = The best 9-7 team of all time
ALL IN!!!!
by JasonPierrePwned on Feb 22, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well I think wee all know how bad Deihl and Kmac played..We watched them every game..
So these PFF grades are not a surprise at all..and Oh Ed…I don’t think DD can catch you as long as your wearing your Brown Earth shoes…haha..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
If he does, though
I am in a lot of trouble!
by Ed Valentine on Feb 22, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
DD in a foot race
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!!!..and that's Ed..one of the guys out front...LOL!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Diehl is chasing a bunch of us!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Romo has not made it to the pic yet Haha
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Like I've said
Juat like I dont need a meteorogist to tell me that the Sun is hot and the snow is cold and wet as… I don’t need any stats to tell me that Dielh and Mckenzie will get “Ma Quarterbacl Killed”! Those two have got to go.
Yes..now he only has the Bear to coach unless they do something which they need to do..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Doesnt matter...whoever he coaches plays way past their potential
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
True he just needs a couple more to coach...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
"Chris Hopkins"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsmJtfRyqfA
I posted this in another thread, this is a very low quality compliation of Hopkins (who used to go by “Chris”) doing his thang.
He looks pretty smooth and athletic, easy to project him developing into something…
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
True... that's what I was getting too.
Pope and Flaherty are two very underrated coaches. They do one helluva job! And whoever coached Hynoski this season did a helluva job with that kid, part is his skills but man oh man!
Jerald Ingram
is the RB coach, he does a good job for sure.
Anyway, did you watch the Hopkins video? He looks pretty good, no?
Under Pope, I am sure he is looking even better…and the dude is 6’5, 275. So there’s reason to hope.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I can see Eli liking this kid
Good in short passes…didnt not see him go long once, but looks faster that Ballard.
UFL
I also think he played for the Omaha Nighthawks in the UFL, but didn’t see any tape of those games.
That’d be a good find – you never know if the lack of long passes had to do with the offense he was in at Toledo or what.
It looked like he was being used as a safety valve to dump the ball off to quickly – but he did well.
And yeah, he does look faster than Ballard…his combine 40 time was similar, though.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I see what you are saying Bavaro 89
but the reality is that Eli can train the players into studs as far as they are active and not hurt etc.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
It's definitely time for Diehl to become super backup
Depending on what happens, it’s very likely he becomes our RT next year, especially as the injuries we know are going to happen mount
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
"Luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." -Don Shula
"You just don't throw on Chase Blackburn.''
Also this might be becoming a trend lately
Teams with bad o-lines still making it far: Us this year, steelers and packers last year.
Strange
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
"Luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." -Don Shula
"You just don't throw on Chase Blackburn.''
A good QB and WRs can get things done. We did suck all season in running game though.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I guess the Giants were lucky they had such a bad O-line
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Have any of you ever stopped for one second to think that maybe...
Diehl was intentionally playing poorly so we could all see just how damn tough Eli is? He can’t just tell us…we needed to see it.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
ha
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
BBV
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha!!!..That is a fact...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
wow
sad but true
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Truth does hurt...
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
lol
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Given the changes in the collective bargaining agreement
and the Giants’ crying need for OL help, this could be the year JR trades up to grab the best OLT in the draft.
Diehl’s pretty much done, except as a sub.
Baas get a pass from me because of injuries and late arrival to the team.
Run Blocking
Shame is, if the pass blocking scores are so low, I don’t even want to know what the run blocking scores are. Gotta be catastrophic.
Ed, I know the Snee family has your email address
but does Diehl’s? You sound like your hiding under your desk after hitting “Post”
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Perhaps but if Ed takes the subway
Diehl can do a fabulous job of imitating a turn style and jump out and grab him…
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
He'll have to beat my ass before the doors close!!!hahaha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hahaha!!!..ouch!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yeah our offensive line sucks
But the shocking thing is that people think we have good linemen.
by Worl'Boss on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We did win the superbowl with that OL. So...
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Doesn't anyone on here give credit to Diehl for playing over 2 months of the season with a broken hand?
The guy’s a leader and a warrior. Never missed a practice or game with his hand broken, never appeared on the injury report, wearing a protective piece on his left hand all throughout the playoffs.
"Especially when it’s your left hand and you have a cast over it," Diehl said. "But this isn’t just about me. This is about my teammates and my brothers. I can’t say enough about them." Deihl knew the team was counting on him, and he had a job to do. In my opinion, no one on that roster was gonna do it better, a very selfless act that lesser men would’ve backed down from. And for those who didn’t believe?
"Let them say what they want to say, but I have two Super Bowl rings to show what I’m capable of doing," he said. "Otherwise, I don’t think this would’ve happened."
Here’s to Diehl, he bleeds blue for me and for you.
Since everyone and their grandma have a mock draft, i guess i'll do one too
1st Rd: Micheal Floyd, WR Norte Dame, 2nd Rd: Dontari Poe, DT Memphis, 3rd Rd: LaMicheal James, RB Oregon, 4th Rd: Keenan Robinson, LB Texas, 5th Rd: Ryan Miller, G Colorado, 6th Rd: Matt Reynolds, T BYU, 7th Rd: Drake Dunsmore, TE Northwestern
And if you don't believe that
Since everyone and their grandma have a mock draft, i guess i'll do one too
1st Rd: Micheal Floyd, WR Norte Dame, 2nd Rd: Dontari Poe, DT Memphis, 3rd Rd: LaMicheal James, RB Oregon, 4th Rd: Keenan Robinson, LB Texas, 5th Rd: Ryan Miller, G Colorado, 6th Rd: Matt Reynolds, T BYU, 7th Rd: Drake Dunsmore, TE Northwestern
by sweatyguido on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
+66
Totally true. For all his warts, he is a great Giant and will always be remembered that way.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed!
When I say things like we can’t afford Deihl, or that he can be replaced for a lot less money, I’m just playing GM.
As a fan, I love the guy.
The football season never ends. It just changes what I'm arguing about depending on the month.
http://content.powerhousegm.com/powerhouse-home-nl
"O-Line Confidential"
BTW, if you’ve never seen it, there’s a show on NFL Network called “O-Line Confidential” – has a lot of behind the scenes stuff with the o-linemen of various teams.
They featured the Giants a couple years back – great stuff with Diehl, Seubert, Snee, O’Hara, and McKenzie.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well said Guido
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
I bet you have waited all your life
to say that line in a positive light!
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
i'll take it, lol!
Since everyone and their grandma have a mock draft, i guess i'll do one too
1st Rd: Micheal Floyd, WR Norte Dame, 2nd Rd: Dontari Poe, DT Memphis, 3rd Rd: LaMicheal James, RB Oregon, 4th Rd: Keenan Robinson, LB Texas, 5th Rd: Ryan Miller, G Colorado, 6th Rd: Matt Reynolds, T BYU, 7th Rd: Drake Dunsmore, TE Northwestern
by sweatyguido on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Since everyone and their grandma have a mock draft, i guess i'll do one too
1st Rd: Micheal Floyd, WR Norte Dame, 2nd Rd: Dontari Poe, DT Memphis, 3rd Rd: LaMicheal James, RB Oregon, 4th Rd: Keenan Robinson, LB Texas, 5th Rd: Ryan Miller, G Colorado, 6th Rd: Matt Reynolds, T BYU, 7th Rd: Drake Dunsmore, TE Northwestern
by sweatyguido on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I dont disagree
but in the end production matters and if you are hurting your team more than you are helping, I think it is incumbent upon the player to talk to the coaches and determine if he should sit. I am not sure what the alternative would have been but I would like to hear if that discussion happened.
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
i guess the alternatives would be a rotation of brewer an ugoh at LG & maybe slide boothe over to LT
either way, it kills our depth. so i’m glad Diehl toughed it out
Since everyone and their grandma have a mock draft, i guess i'll do one too
1st Rd: Micheal Floyd, WR Norte Dame, 2nd Rd: Dontari Poe, DT Memphis, 3rd Rd: LaMicheal James, RB Oregon, 4th Rd: Keenan Robinson, LB Texas, 5th Rd: Ryan Miller, G Colorado, 6th Rd: Matt Reynolds, T BYU, 7th Rd: Drake Dunsmore, TE Northwestern
by sweatyguido on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
or sign a FA or draft people
DD seems like a nice guy, good teammate, big stones, etc. However, at some point, he’s a hindrance to the performance of the team – they’re winning despite him, not because of him. Pretty sure we’re at that point with DD.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 22, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
i meant the alternatives this passed season
of course giants gonna need to improve the line coming into this season. although i still think a healthy diehl could contribute in many ways nxt season. he’s versatile and can play many of the line positions, maybe even at RT to replace the ineffective mackenzie.
Since everyone and their grandma have a mock draft, i guess i'll do one too
1st Rd: Micheal Floyd, WR Norte Dame, 2nd Rd: Dontari Poe, DT Memphis, 3rd Rd: LaMicheal James, RB Oregon, 4th Rd: Keenan Robinson, LB Texas, 5th Rd: Ryan Miller, G Colorado, 6th Rd: Matt Reynolds, T BYU, 7th Rd: Drake Dunsmore, TE Northwestern
Very good point and nicely said..I gues we can't complain too much...
But hey we are Giants fans..we complain about everything…It is our tradition..hahaha..The Giants are the only thing I can find something to bitch and moan about…Doesn’t work at all trying to bitch and moan at my wife..that’s a death wish..hahaha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
*guess (damn keyboard)
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hahaha!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Was his hand broken last season, too?
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
That explains the last 2 months
But what about the first few months? He sucked back then as well. Can’t blame a broken hand for him being horrible at LG before Beatty went down with the eye injury.
by IrishPride187 on Feb 22, 2012 7:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Giants full season Defensive Snap Count...
courtesy of Jimmy K….courtesy of PFF
http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/02/22/full-season-snap-count-notes-giants-defense/#comment-72178
this is basically the lane PFF needs to stay in.
Fire Fewell
Man we had alot of guys with very high snap counts!!!..A sign of durability...
They earned their paychecks for sure..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Derrick Martin gets paid like $100,000 per snap
special teams…yadda yadda.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
nice work if you can get it.
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
JR will trade UP in the draft...Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 22, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
DAMN...CWeb!
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
More proof that we won the SB for 1 reason
ELI!
by Giant Ken on Feb 22, 2012 5:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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