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New York Giants News And Notes: Victor Cruz, Mario Manningham And More

Good morning, New York Giants fans! Let's tour the Inter-Google and find out what is being written and said that might be of interest to you this morning.

Why Victor Cruz won't get a huge payday | National Football Post
As Matt Bowen recently pointed out, Victor Cruz’s performance in 2011 warrants a new deal.

However, the odds are against the Giants wideout getting a new contract anytime soon. With the type of season Cruz had, he would probably command over $8 million per year in the open market on a deal similar to the ones signed by Sidney Rice ($41 million, 5 years, $18.5 million guaranteed) and Santonio Holmes ($45 million, 5 years, $24.25 million guaranteed).

Unfortunately for Cruz, timing is everything and he has poor timing. Reworking Cruz’s contract isn’t a huge priority for the New York Giants right now. The team is more concerned with getting under the salary cap and free agency. With the cap expected to remain relatively flat, the Giants have $129,105,807 committed towards next season’s cap. They need to re-structure several contracts or release players to get under the cap by March 13th, the start of the 2012 League Year.

Compounding matters is that twenty-four players are headed for free agency, including several key contributors like Jake Ballard, Mario Manningham, Aaron Ross and Steve Weatherford.

Star-divide

Monday Morning Quarterback - Peter King - SI.com
Six teams have more than $40 million in cap room available entering the start of the league year three weeks from now. What's the one position five of those teams -- all but Cincinnati -- have in common? A need at receiver.

This, of course, is good news for free-agent wide receiver Mario Manningham. One of those teams -- Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Washington, Denver or Jacksonville -- could offer Manningham a whole lot more money than the Giants will.

Offseason ACL rehab is no joke in the NFL | National Football Post

Free Agency: Shopping for Experience | ProFootballFocus.com
PFF's Sam Monson points out value at the older end of the free agent spectrum.

Mike Mayock Explains The Scouting Combine Drills
Each February, hundreds of the very best college football players are invited to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Ind., where executives, coaches, scouts and doctors from all 32 NFL teams conduct an intense, four-day job interview in advance of the NFL Draft. Here is a brief breakdown of the measurable drills.

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yeah they probably have a conversation with the agent

make the handshake promise now, pay the money later.

Of course I know slightly less than nothing about NFL payroll…

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 21, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Am Hoping that his agent is not Rosencrap.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know who is representing him but you these agents are on him like flys on poop..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

*you know

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha..and I know even less than that...All I know is we have a huge problem...

Other than that I have no clue how it all works..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The packages have gotten bigger

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Look how many years Arian Foster produced

and he still didn’t get a new contract. Gronk is still on his rookie deal along with many others. I also thought Cruz was in a unique situation, but after watching a segment on NFL network on the “best value players in football”, I realize he’s really not. Ray Rice is making nothing, Aaron Hernandez…there’re lots of players making about the same as cruz, but have done it for more than one year. Sorry, but he’s not getting a contract this year unless it’s REALLY team friendly.

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Cruz.....

but he needs to pipe down. He had one GREAT season but you don’t get a long term deal based on 1 season. At least you don’t deserve to. Play out your current deal and then you’ll get the contract. Giants have a lot more issues to deal with right now…….I hope we keep Osi and keep NASCAR in tact. Was fun to watch all those guys do their thing……..

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Feb 21, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Good points

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The CAP problem is huge..I mentioned that awhile back...

The Giants are in the “purge” salary designation tier..So who knows how they’ll be able to handle that..Big problem..
I also know how tough it is re-habbing a knee injury, since I had two..It is brutal..There are times when you don’t think they will ever get strong again..the pain is borderline intolerable.

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

I like what I see in Weatherford

What find of money would he ask for. Hope they can lock down this guy

by rbman3 on Feb 21, 2012 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

Yes Weatherford will be an interesting challenge also...

And obviously we need a punter like him..Alot of key core players are on the fence..I hate when this happens..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes but that is how you put together a championship run

squeeze as much talent onto the roster that you can afford and hope those metaphysical chips fall just right. You then have to purge like a teenage girl after a sloppy joe dinner.

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Weatherford is not going anywhere.......

Was on the WFAN the day of the parade. Said they were already working on a deal. He doesn’t want to go anywhere either………He’ll be back.

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Weatherford better not go anywhere or we will send a blimp to find him,

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought I heard something about them already working with Weatherford on his deal.

He’ll be here next year.

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

heard the same

that they had started talks prior to the SB, but tabled them so they could go win a championship. I’d be really surprised if Weatherford isn’t kept.

by Nick Dapito on Feb 21, 2012 8:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

That's good news..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!...That will be an ingrained memorable moment!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

never get tired of watching it

it’s mesmerizing.

I bELIve in the Baby Faced Assassin!
4th Quarter Eli FTW, every time
XXI. XXV, XLII, XLVI

by JJBashir on Feb 21, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

His

that his mother asked him if he said what he said (i’m going to m…f..k.ng superbowl) and he made up something like he said he was finally going to the superbowl.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought franchising Weatherford was an option but..

..it turns out punters and kickers are probably considered the same position for tag purposes and kickers make way too much money to pay Weatherford.

A long-term deal with a fat signing bonus would be more cap friendly, but then you’re a pulled hamstring away from total disaster.

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Giants rarely

put franchise tag on anybody, even though the estimated “tag” has gone down about 2 mill.
at the key positions with the new CBA.

Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...

by Great Gatsby on Feb 21, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

according to Sirius NFL

they could franchise him for about $2.5…

but yeah I think he wants back in.

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 21, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Ross, Diehl and Jacobs

The guys the Giants have to negotiate with. All are useful at the right price. If not, the cap will make them casualties.

Weatherfors is a “gotta have”

Ham is a “nice to have”

Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.

by MSP Giant on Feb 21, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

T2 will be back next year......

and with Prince, Johnson, and the rest……….Ross is expendable. He is a good player but you can’t keep everyone because of lousy FA.

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Ross is a FA

So that one is taken care of. I also think Osi is going to have to be dealt. Eli should restructure his deal this year too. Would anyone give Jacobs big $$$?

Will lightning really strike twice?

by Madhops on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Restructuring is bad and haunts in later years.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Restructuring is bad and haunts in later years.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is going to pay Jacobs big money

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

What about other teams free agents?

This will preclude us from picking up one of the top guards, RBs or LBs. Don’t understand how some teams can be $40 million under cap and we’re over. Don’t they pay their players?

by TheGifford on Feb 21, 2012 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

Unless

they dump some salaries, like names mentioned above for example….Don’t expect much from
outside the organization. Too many free agents of their own to deal with it.

Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...

by Great Gatsby on Feb 21, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Right...I don't think the Giants will be in any position to be a player in free agency

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Micheal Bush

would come relatively cheap as one example, don’t expect a TE. Bush is an UFA.

Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...

by Great Gatsby on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

It's early

can’t spell Michael, have the second cup of java, Gatsby, LOL!

Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...

by Great Gatsby on Feb 21, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

HA!

I can’t spell Michael either half the time…and it’s my middle name!

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Mykal

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

After the year of the TE...

I think they will be fetching top dollar.

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect then to get a low key FA TE

a guy who is mainly a blocker

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

So Philly wins the Off-Season Super Bowl AGAIN?!?!

The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011

by DavidE on Feb 21, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Eagles play the Jets in preseason Superbowl.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The Raiders may franchise Bush

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

that would be a very Raiders thing to do

Mike Bush isn’t very good at all and can never stay healthy. They would franchise him….

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 22, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No they don't pay their players

That’s why there’s a minimum total salary in the new labor agreement. Carolina, Cincy, Jax, KC and other small market teams have historically been under the new mimimum of 90% of the cap. This could change the dynamic of what happens to overpaid players with guaranteed money in the future. In a few years you could see AJ Burnett style salary dumps in the NFL

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If there's a TE out there......

maybe the Giants take a look………Depends on the Salary cap.

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Wishful Thinking

Would like to see some of the big money guys restructure their contracts to keep this team together.

by egras14 on Feb 21, 2012 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

I wish Mario well but damn, these are not the best destinations....

Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Washington, Denver or Jacksonville

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

Ward

I hope he takes a look at what happened to D.Ward when he went to Tampa

by egras14 on Feb 21, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Still he needs Eli

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

its all money for Ham at this point.

He doesn’t care where he goes.he has 2 rings, good player but no HOFer. The kid is not CEO,coach or broadcast material. He looking to bank some money for when football is over.

by hit_hard on Feb 21, 2012 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ham only has one ring

cue references to “I got a ring” or “Lord of the Rings”

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You've stolen my ability to reference either of those things!

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

if you post a picture

all will be well again

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

damn! I missed that boat

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

AKA the Derrick Ward

Can’t say I blame him one bit. If you’re an athlete (besides championships) you work your entire career to reach free agency and to cash in on all the work you’ve done in your life. I hope the kid gets PAID.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Feb 21, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good example

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But now that he has a ring I guess he will try make as much money as he can without caring who pays the money

by rbman3 on Feb 21, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

There's no reason to sign Cruz to a big deal right now

a dumber organization might lock him up in fear of losing him, but that’s not the Giants. See if he can repeat his success and also see what else is on the roster.

Also the Bengals could use a WR. Peter King is an idiot.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 9:07 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

MM has alot of options..but the teams all suck..but money talks and BS walks...

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

BBV linked on the ESPN NFC East Blog

I’m going to go post the craziest stuff on the BBV piece. Let’s all talk about organic vegetable gardens over there!

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

I think we talk up a non-existent player

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That's awesome...I'm down

We need a name first.

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

We could start talking about how Reese is looking at Jeremy Lin to replace Manningham if he goes...

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

J.D. Salmonella

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Go with

Jake Sashpaylick

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Or

Whoflungpoo

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

that LB from Seattle

Loaf’a DaPupu

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 21, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

ha

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Henry Bon Jovi

Its John’s nephew from his older sister. A real blue chipper I hear.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate

by TheWenz on Feb 21, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Michael Swarley

QB from University of California, Berkeley…. is a guy that the Giants will develop and trade for a first round pick

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

SWARLEY!

Heard he dresses well.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeap

always wears a suit

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

oh another well dressed one

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Harmon Huckleberry..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh wow...

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Heywood JaBlome.

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

George Plimpton

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

George Plimpton

was the Intellavision guy

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You are showing your age bro

LOL

Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?

by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah dammit!!!..LOL!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

old number 00

You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!

by Flynner on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

good book

You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!

by Flynner on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Kittie kollege?

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Stinky Dingleberry

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

good stuff

hopefully we get a couple more intellegent fans in here that are sick of the mass produced garbage over at the mothership

You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!

by Flynner on Feb 21, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

hope for that

but more likely we get some idiots who run their mouths and end up banned

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

This site is like the Ebb and Flow of the tide...

When the Giants are going foe a Super Bowl win…a million people show up at high tide…Then after the tide subsides..Their gone..Kind of funny really…I’m out here regularly and I saw folks posting I never of before..haha..
But your statement is correct..The last thing we need is blowhards running their mouths off..Nothing gets Ed more pissed than that…Hell he gets mad at me once inawhile..Which I can’t understand..I’m such a lovable person…hahahaha..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

*for

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2012 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

loveable and batshit crazy

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 6:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

Just read that crap on BTB

Fact: 16 games provides the same statistical relevance as 162

My QB has 2 rings. Well, 3 if you want to get technical.

2012 NYG mock - 1: Dwayne Allen TE, 2: Brandon Boykin CB/RS, 3: A.J. Jenkins WR, 4: Vick Ballard RB, 5: Neiko Thorpe S, 6: Rishard Matthews WR/RS, 6: Blake DeChristopher G/T, 7: BPA

by ct17 on Feb 21, 2012 9:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It's fatally flawed from the start

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

it's sad and jealous and crybabyish

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 21, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It's Dallas LOL!!!

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

great point!

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha'

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus...every thing is always Eli's fault.

So, If the Giants were lucky then it’s Eli’s fault that they were lucky. Therefore, he planned all of those things being labeled “lucky”…

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

+10

never underestimate the power of “Eli’s Fault”

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

As resident Math person here

there are so many holes and assumptions made, I just stayed away from the post entirely..

but for everyone here… Giant Loophole/assumption/elephant in the room..

BTB writer assumes since Giants did something Math didnt dictate, that is a rare situation thus, the luck factors in…

Reality is, Math is supposed to be used to describe what the Giants did. If Math ever accurately predicts what the Giants did/do… That is where the luck is to be found!!!

And Boom! just like that, you are all smarter.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly...crystal clear explanation.

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He is just looking at it with hindsight goggles on

like with things fall from trees, is it luck (or unlucky) that an acorn fell off a tree and hit me in the head the other day?? No.
When you factor in how many acorns fall from trees with the amount of time I spend underneathe the tree, it could be considered lucky that I dont get hit with acorns way more often.

Math doesnt predict anything, math tries to help explain wtf just happened… He used, albeit, a more advanced math to try and tell you that because we are outliers in a given situation, it was a fluke (which in early mathematics, that is what teachers tell you because to go into that is another semester)

But the thing is, Outliers are outliers for a reason. and they count and they mean a lot. That is when you head into Dynamics and into Chaos. This season and 2007 were not a fluke. And Math, as much as he doesnt want to admit it, backs it up.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

basically
I have found this questionable algorithm that applies to another sport. I have used it to create projections for the success of NFL teams. When teams exceed these projections, we will ignore any of the possible factors in this success and instead term said results “luck.”

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 21, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty much sums up what he did...

I like my graph better….

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

very interesting, professor

I myself have come to two very interesting statistical conclusions:

1.) There is more crime in cities with large police forces than in towns with small police forces.

More police means more crime.

2.) The larger a young child’s feet get, the better they become at reading. (very strong correlation).

Larger feet aid in reading comprehension.

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well obviously

if you are good reader as a child and have small feet… then obviously you are lucky.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

factor analysis definitely shows

luck is the key variable

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Feb 21, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting...Looks like the graph of my farts..

Average number of bowls of Chili vs. number of farts…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!

Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!

by costanza! on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

know you are just scaring me

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!..that deserves a Holy Shit!!!..LOL!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not your Grandma's funny pet video

ROTFLMAO

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That is classic!

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Such arguments deserve a little shake....

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for reminding me

I signed up yesterday so I can flame them today

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Have fun there.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Cowboys fans and their hubris are the worst

At lest Eagles fans and Patriots fans gave the Giants deserved respect.

by Pool Messi on Feb 21, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

no its just luck

that and the real messiah in this world, happens to be Ryan Perriloux

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn! I'm going to have to get a

“What would Ryan Perriloux do” tattoo now

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It is all metaphysical now,

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Cruz tip was Seattle

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

D'oh - thanks

I knew that. Stupid brain!

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT

by blains2000 on Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...thank you

That needed to be said.

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

"There are 3 kinds of lies

Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
-Mark Twain

Bottom line, this guy is a sore loser that can’t admit that his bitter rivals just won the whole show. Get over it man. We beat you in your house and ours, Your argument doesn’t hold any water with anyone with an IQ above 3.

So twist your numbers to make em say whatever it is you’d like them to say, but it won’t change the fact that the Giants won Superbowl 46.

You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!

by Flynner on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And on the way to win superbowl47

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And on the way to win superbowl47

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

so good you said it twice

back to back bitches

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Back2Back

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Eli's contract

Does anybody out there think it is time for Eli to redo his contract to free up some money so we can at least sign our own players?? I’m not saying a cut, but a restructuring to give us some room.Also,how the hell can a team be 65 million UNDER the cap and we are right at the cap?? Bad contracts?? Just asking.l

by bobby53 on Feb 21, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

well, I know Tampa is under because 2 years ago

they cut everyone. every single player that had a notable name, sans Barber. Most of the team is still on their rookie contract.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

if he restructures, he can't get a new contract after next season

which is something he’s probably going to want.

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 21, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Salary Floor

There was no salary floor under the old CBA – you could spend the bare minimum on your roster if you wanted to, and pocket the revenue.

Under the new agreement, you have to spend the money – I think it’s something like 90% of the salary cap.

So teams like the Bengals now have to invest in their roster.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

that will make everyone more competitive... at least

no more 0-16, 1-15 teams. at least I hope.

I just hate feeling like I have the rich parents and I have to play with the poor kids all the time..

Yes, The Giants spoil me. No, that doesnt mean I have to share my championships with you! Go get your own! :P

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Free Agency is garbage.....

the worst invention in Sports of ALL TIME!!!! We could be a dynasty if we didn’t have to lose our guys every year……….Frustrating! But we’ll see what Jerry has up his sleeves……..

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Feb 21, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but also, I would hate to be a player under no free agency.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd stay away from Eli because of Peyton

The family is dealing with the harsh realities of NFL economics. Eli’s pay is fair (now, he was overpaid before) and making future cap problems worse to help this year is shortsighted.

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd assume a 5 year window of Eli playing at his peak ...

and try and manage the cap to be competitive all 5 of those years, even if it means cap hell and blowing up the team in Year 6. Got to try and get 1 or 2 more Super Bowls before Eli’s time is up.

So, I would expect his deal to be restructured a bunch over the next few years trying to roll more and more of the cap hit forward.

by Shofner85 on Feb 21, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

After witnessing what Eli did last season...

they should give him whatever the hell he wants.

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I would think......

Eli would do the team thing. He’ll get his money but he’ll restructure if asked.

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Feb 21, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure they will talk with Eli..and figure something out..That would help...

They have alot of work to do with the CAP situation being as tough as it is..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

No more restructuring to back-load contracts

It’s one of the reasons why they are in cap hell for this year because of restructuring of contracts like Webster and Rolle. Next few years are projected to get worse. I’d rather they start just flat out cutting a few players than restructuring their contracts.

by Pool Messi on Feb 21, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

restructuring means

they backload more money in the last years of the contract. So in 2 or 3 years, they will be really screwed with CAP space. Also, Eli has earned every penny of his contract.

To answer your question how can a team be 65 million UNDER the cap and we are right at the cap? Easy answer Giants have good players they get paid…. Tampa has crappy players that make nothin.

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Am looking forward

for us to shutout Tampa Bay this year

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

out of everyone who's on this team

You want Eli, the 2 time SB MVP, to restructure his contract.

Before we do anything like that, we should try to restructure other, more undeserrving, players cntract

by Worl'Boss on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He makes the most money

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than bringing in Baas last......

off-season the Giants didn’t spend any money. How are we always so close to or over the cap??? I was expecting us to have some room……Guys like McKenzie will not be back but Weatherford, DeOssie, and a few others need to be kept. Hope it gets worked out in our favor………

TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......

by zoosloose on Feb 21, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

backloaded contracts

guys entering the later years of the multi-year deals have them

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Bradshaw amongst others

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

its why you don't restructure contracts

all the mindless baffoons asking for Eli to restructure, it’ll only bite you in the ass the next year. Rolle and Webster restructured last year, but now its gonna bit us in the ass this year. Although I guess you can say that we reached the ultimate goal last year, so who cares.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli/Webster/Snee/Bradshaw/Rolle/Baas

Had Base Salaries of $20.15mm in 2011, $35.2mm in 2012. And their combined cap number in each year is about 10-12MM higher.

In particiular, Rolle and Snee have deals which created space last year, but kill us in 2012.

It’s borrowing from the future for current success and eventually you have to pay the price.

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

because of the big money

they’re going to (hopefully) end up having to give to JPP, Nicks and Cruz, I don’t see much being spent anywhere else in the next few years. Drafting will be key so positions can be filled by cheap labor.

by Mount17 on Feb 21, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Cincy needs a #2 WR

Manningham would be a perfect compliment to AJ Green.

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

by GhostDini on Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

That is one team I can see him going to..Also Miami...

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Ham is definitely gonna want warm weather…I know I would.

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 21, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It's cold here right now...only 75 degrees...haha!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

bastard

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Duly Noted!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!!...brrrrr!!..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This Cincy beat reporter agrees
Joe Reedy @joereedy
RT @jh123416: @JoeReedy Who’s the most logical free agent you could see Mike Brown spending the cash for?>Bush, Manningham, Meachem

Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross

by GhostDini on Feb 21, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I would love

A repeat I don’t expect the Giants to be able to keep the talent to get back there next year. I would say we are more likely on a every 4 year plan. Run right up on the CAP for 2 years and then shed contracts. Build up to the cap for 2 years after that and make a SB run.

Although I would love to win it every year I will take a SB every four.

by NYGIANTSGW on Feb 21, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

Sadly...I think your probably right...This CAP deal is going to kill us..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless there is a couple Cruzesque UDF out there

I am afraid you are correct

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

The CAP stuff does stink but its not the end of the world. Its the sign that this team gets good players in the draft, UDFAs, etc. Good players get paid when their time comes. If they wanna move on and get a more money, thats up to them… its a business. This team for many years as been built by Acorsi and JR, not with mercenaries, but with home grown talent… that trend will continue. I have full faith that this team will do the right thing when it comes to the sacrifices that will be made:

If that means DD gets cut cause he sucks big time, then it must be done.
If that means vets like Rolle or Canty get cut, then it must be done.
If that means Osi is traded for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, then it must be done.
If that means Mario is not resigned because he wants #1 WR money, then it must be done.

Yeah it will suck if guys like Cruz, Nicks, Tuck, Webster, Kenny, JPP leave one day to get huge contracts from another team. But there is reason to believe that the cycle will continue with new great players this team may draft in the near future.

And of course…. Eli leading this team will ALWAYS make it a contender.

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yesssss

Exactly. The thing is the TEAM, not the individual players. When you have a franchise QB of Eli’s pay grade, and a few other big money stars, the other 50 players on the roster have to be modestly paid. You can’t have a team of All-Stars like you can in baseball.

So every year, the guillotine has to come down heavy, and you are constantly purging the roster of anyone that looks like they might be turning into dead wood. You will be wrong occasionally, but for every one star player that you could pay $8-10M a year, that could be 2 or 3 good players at $3-4M.

It’s a shame, but it’s reality.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 21, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobbi something you can use to trade players

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha!!!!!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

i disagree

we could have repeated in 08 if it wasn’t for the shot heard round the world. We started 09 5-0 and then watched the DLine just get injured to all hell and lost KP and we had the CC Brown failed experiment. Last season we went 10-6 which almost always gets you a playoff berth. So I don’t see that likely at all. The Giants will stay competitive we just need to step up and make big plays at crucial moments.

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Feb 22, 2012 3:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The current Giants are very capable of repeating. Agree with you.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 22, 2012 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny

by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 22, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

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