PFF Pass Blocking Efficiency Stats Not Kind To Diehl, McKenzie
by Ed Valentine on Feb 21, 2012 12:01 PM EST
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It is hardly a news flash that the play of the New York Giants offensive tackles -- especially after Will Beatty was lost for the season -- left a lot to be desired. Pro Football Focus offers another measuring stick for how poor the tackle play was with its look 2011 Pass Blocking Efficiency for offensive tackles.
It's not a pretty picture for Giants offensive tackles David Diehl and Kareem McKenzie.
Diehl rated worst in pass blocking efficiency of the 75 tackles who played at least 200 snaps. Read the PFF post for the full formula, but it breaks down like this for Diehl. In 246 pass block snaps at left tackle Diehl surrendered four sacks, six quarterback hits and 20 pressures for a total of 30 pressures. His efficiency rating, per PFF's formula, was 90.4. Diehl also ranked toward the bottom of the league in PBE during the 2010 season. That would be one of the reasons the Giants tried to play him at guard in 2011.
McKenzie rated 63rd, allowing 59 pressures in 626 pass blocking snaps, a rating of 92.7. In 2010, McKenzie was among the best in the league in this category.
Beatty was not great when it came to the PBE rating, scoring 50th overall with a 93.6 rating. That, however, is an improvement over the work of Diehl and McKenzie.
Consider this just another piece of evidence to support the belief that the Giants need to find way to upgrade their offensive line this offseason.
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I was already convinced
The problem is, significant sacrifices will need to be made in order to upgrade TWO starting offensive line spots for a team that is at or above the cap right now.
It’s going to take a combination of cutting or MAJOR restructuring the deals of significant players, not resigning some current free agents, not handing out extensions to players who want them (thus creating hold-outs and possibly even the trading of significant players,) and maybe even not going with the BPA in the draft if the OL holes are not somewhat addressed by draft day.
Pretty remarkable situation to be in considering that we are the defending champs.
In the pic
he looks like the hunchback from that old movie lol
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Sad part is Dave looked way better as the LT than the LG
Giants have to address the line, we can’t run block at all, and these pass blocking stats are down right scary.
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 21, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions
I agree w/ DD being > LT than LG
I know peole are killed DD right now and some are speculating that he could be cut.
but I actually thought it was kinda comendable that he slide outside
oddly enough I think he maybe be a better RT than an LG (given favorable match ups…meaning the LT would have to face the better pass rush).
so I’m kinda on board w/ bringing DD back to play RT until Brewer is ready.
Fire Fewell
I think we should tell him that the only
Way he comes back is via pay cut. If he agrees, take him back to play RT, if not…we got beatty at LT and draft/brewer at RT. sad truth is his play is not commensurate to his pay…though all the props on the world for playing through a broken hand.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Diehl most likely should be cut cuz he has an $8mill cap hit next year
no doubt he could be resigned, but even he has to realize he’s not worth that money.
I agree he should be the RT next year, Brewer is a mountain of a man but I don’t think he’s ready yet.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
next year, not this upcoming one I think
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I've read its this year he's gonna count that much
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This site is saying its only 3,825,000
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/cap-hit/
So I’m not sure.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
maybe its cuz its 8 over the next two?
I dunno, but I’ve seen that its 8
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I believe you. Spotrac isn't 100% all the time.
So you could very well be right and it could include some sort of additional bonuses and what not that they may not list
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
how is Eli still breathing???
Eli Manning is The Boston Strangler
The 2011 New York Giants = The best 9-7 team of all time
ALL IN!!!!
by JasonPierrePwned on Feb 21, 2012 12:38 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
through his mouth according to Philly fans/haters worldwide
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I bELIeve in ELI!!!! - Primetime -
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Comes as no surprise...
If it wasn’t for Elis ability to slither around like a snake..he’d be dead…I’m surprised he even survived the 49er game after the beating he took..Just awful…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Eli is Gumby
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
by GMen56-11 on Feb 21, 2012 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watching Eli toyed like that by the 49ers was really upsetting.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Baas is not star either
I wouldn’t mind seeing three starters on the line next year, although I think they’ll give Baas another year.
I'm willing to give Bass one more year
He got beat up early and often this past season, I would like to see how he plays when he is pretty healthy.
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Baas not only will get another year, he deserves it
I’d take an early guess at the line next year being Beatty-Petrus-Baas-Snee-Diehl. Or at least that’s the one I hope it’ll be. The Giants have a soft (hard?) spot for Dave Diehl so you just know he’s not going anywhere.
I think there’s an outside chance Baas goes to guard if we really are high on one of the centers in this draft like Peter Konz. He’s a potentially elite road grader inside.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Baas was injured most of the season
He was in and out for much of the season and was likely playing through alot of pain. Tough to manhandle a 300 pound dude when your not 100%.
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Win Ugly.
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This shows you how great Eli Manning is
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
This gets a mobile rec
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 21, 2012 12:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Rec'd
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 21, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
noted
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
And how many friggin yardes would he have had with say
Bradys line?
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
They ought to award Super Bowl rings to the players that counted..
And toilet bowl seats to those that didn’t do their jobs..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
"Didn't do their jobs"
is a little harsh. Both of those guys put in plenty of years of good work, they’re just getting old. It’s not like they were underperforming based on their current ability.
Well I don't think it is harsh at all..They get paid millions of dollars to block..I don't care how old
They are getting..Do the the damn job your being paid handsomely to do..Your response doesn’t make any sense at all..Are you getting multi millions to screw up at your job???..geezus..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Chill
No matter how much you pay me, I’m not going to be able to do something I’m not physically capable of doing. With McKenzie it was at the point that if someone got off the line quick enough, he just couldn’t stop him. I realize that’s technically not “doing his job,” I’m just not going to go crazy on someone who gave us all he had for a number of years and eventually wore down physically.
Every individual on the roster at one point didn't do their jobs
plus since they took a shit at one point, I’d rather they keep the cheek seat so they can squat when they fire it off.
The OL was more so inconsistent then it was consistently bad. They looked terrible on one play, or maybe one series or even a quarter. But ultimately they had their moments of greatness and allowed Eli to do work,.
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indeed... the other guys get paid too
Diehl had to go against the best competition all year. The LDE/LOLB is usually your best pass rusher. He gets burned more often than we would like to see. But he is a 2 time champion and you cannot argue with that.
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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
I was once down on DD
But not sure he deserves the blame he gets, first those numbers do not tell the whole story how he played two positions and helped out his other linemen.
Hey we won the Super Bowl give the guy a break.
by GiantFaninColorado on Feb 21, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions
Not to mention he had a broken hand
DD is one Tough S.O.B.. The amount of hand checking and swatting and grabbing these guys on the line do with their hands is insane, I can’t doing it with a broken hand.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
Plus you have a hell of a time tying a hook on the line....
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
BBV is no place to stick up for him!!!
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
And you are
The same genius who criticized JR, PF, Ballard, though we should of signed SS, and should not have drafted JPP, fire KG, and TG. Thoughts of the “board”. Never wrong.
by GiantFaninColorado on Feb 21, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
he stunk last season too
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
by GMen56-11 on Feb 21, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no they dont tell us everything
because the numbers would’ve been worse if we included his time at LG. Diehl was terrible, stop sugar coating it.
or continue on praising him and we’ll see the death of our elite QB.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Um, just because we won the SB doesn't make Diehl good, or even adequate
He’s beyond abysmal and this team is put at a disadvantage when he’s on the field.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.
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agreed
Diehl may get one more chance at RT, but can we scrap him on the left side? i’m sick of their being a huge hole in the blind side of the line every play.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
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Draft has Some Answers
The whole entire offensive line needs to get young. in this draft the team could get a start by drafting in the first round OC/P.Kong and OG/K.Zeitler of Wisconsin with their first two picks. By getting young up front it allows room for Bradshaw to have more breakaway runs and protection for E.Manning the MVP of the team.
Now if a ILB stud becomes available at 32 then we have to grab him and go for a OC in the third round.
Diehl can moved back to LG for another year. C.Snee now can be a backup in case of injury to K.Zeitler/RG. As for tackles maybe N.Potter Boise State could be had in the Third. It time to make the moves for the near immediate future.
worry about the Bills, Dizz
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we have Beatty to play LT Baas at C and Snee at RG
We have drafted Petrus and Brewer in consecutive years in the 5th and 4th rounds respectively. We just need guys already on the team to step up and start contributing. I am not sure if Brewer is capable of that this year, but I think Petrus can step in and play LG right now.
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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
If we can decipher what Petrus says..
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Upgrade
Drafting P.Konz is a upgrade for OC. Baas will be a solid backup in case of injury. Snee is to slow to start now and getting K.Zeitler in the late second round would be ideal for the team getting two top interior talents to start with Baas and Snee as solid backups.
Remember we pick last in the draft so if C.Fleener TE is available in late third round we grab him also. Now we have three new starters of young talent with backups in the line in case of injury. D.Diehl can move back LOG until we get something next year to improve the front line.
Maybe we can get lucky and draft in the fourth round A.Datko/OT whom can play both OT’s positions.
A.Bradshaw will have more breakaway runs with a younger talented offensive line.
That reminds me...
When Beatty went down I wrote the rest of the year off. Also, when Boley was hurt….they were done.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
The Giants go nowhere without Boley
I told people that if he didn’t come back, the season was over. I still believe that. Nobody was picking up the slack in his absence.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
I agree
Boley was huge for the D this year. we sucked when he was injured for 2 games. I was waiting for a breakout year for Boley and I was not disappointed .
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
Boley went from a guy who I thought was probably over paid
to a guy who IMO is invaluable to this defense.
Fire Fewell
no question about it
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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Agree completely...
no doubt
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I'm still not a fan of taking a TE at #32
McShay13 Todd McShay
Vernon Davis only TE drafted in 1st 19 picks last 7 yrs. Won’t see streak broken this yr, but 3 good options top50 w/ Fleener, Charles,Allen
There’s a reason why TEs are rarely picked early. I know #19 and #32 are very different but I’d still rather take a “wow” player in the first round. None of the TEs fit that.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
I think Allen is that Wow player.
I love the BPA slogan JR uses, I know he will continue to use it… I hope its Allen.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
In my head
I have the Giants trading Osi for a pick somewhere in the 40-55 range, using the 32 on an OL they can plug in right away and then potentially using the extra 2nd round pick on one of the top TE prospects.
Of course, even if the trade happens, they’ll probably use both on DE.
well....we're not drafting in teh top 19
we’re at 32.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
and Dwayne Allen wows the hell out of me
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Not Fat
either. Though Fleener is leaner. :)
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 21, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think with Eli Manning at the helm he can turn anyone into a stud
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Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
This is why I am happy being an ArmChair GM
I dont have to actually deal with the salary cap, or cut players or put in the crazy hours they get paid… I wouldnt mind having their paycheck… but still.
JR gets paid to put the best team out on the field, he did that this year. That said, I have to imagine we do what we did last year. Cut guys that we (as Fans) are not ready to part with. Have a bunch of guys on their rookie contracts step up and fill the voids.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Where are the Giants picking after 32?
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
their nose
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That would be JJ too picking his nose
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Reese cannot just ignore this. Diehl has to be let go this offseason
A ham sandwich could protect better than that goon
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only BLUE WALLS.
The 2012 Mets: Fortune cookie says come back in 2015
I'd say he's like oscar mayer ham, the processed shit
if we managed to get a decent ham, maybe a smithfield or considering his contract we went for the Joselito, the stuff out of Spain, we’d just be fine there. Maybe with some good italian bread, some nice cheese and a glass of vino.
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absolutely wrong
Although I wouldn’t mind seeing DD gone. We just won a championship with a swiss cheese line. Now go make me a boloney sandgwich you goon.
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-Eli Manning for MVP
This just in
Our O-Line blows….that is all
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Feb 21, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions
This just shows you that even when you have holes on your team
That you can still be a contender, even a champion. Not every problem on every team can be fixed. That is a major reason why we never see the LB position addressed with high draft picks. It is not as valuable as good DLineman and good coverage guys.
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Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
This does not apply to most of the teams but sure does apply to the Giants that they can have holes in spots and yet contend and win with strength of backups.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
It is quality backups
That is so hard to maintain under the salary cap. It is pretty remarkable that the Giants did as well as they did with SO many players on IR. If I look at the roster right now, it seems like the biggest needs for more quality players are at:
1) OL
2) TE
3) DB (taking into account that Ross and Thomas are free agents, and we don’t have a lot of money to work with.)
The other positions might need a player or two, but these seem to be the thinnest.
Is it just me
Or did anyone else notice McKenzie being beaten much more frequently than Diehl? Diehl struggled for sure but it seems like McKenzie was abused often this season.. huge contrast from 2010-2011 season.
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