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New York Giants Free Agency: Strut 'Em Or Cut 'Em - Wide Receivers

To everything, there is a season. For the New York Giants and its fan base, the season has been magnificent. The offseason, however, may prove to be somewhat of a double edged sword. There are some very key players who are now Free Agents and they just might find themselves in different colored jerseys in the 2012 NFL season - about the same time that they receive their Super Bowl rings.

In this edition, we will take a look at the wide receivers whom we stand to lose, if the price is not right. Interestingly enough, two Free Agents on the market this offseason are two of the best receivers that Big Blue have had on their roster, Plaxico Burress and Steve Smith. Is it likely that these used-to-be fan favorites will find themselves catching a pass from Eli Manning in the 2012 season? Not unless they're playing safety for the opposition. Let's take a look at the receivers who may or may not be on the chopping block.

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First up, and probably the biggest FA question of the New York Giants offseason, is Mario Manningham. Mario was the G-Men's third-round draft pick in 2008. Manningham came from the Michigan Wolverines where he put together 137 receptions for 2,310 yards and 27 touchdowns. The Wolverines list him as one of the members of their "Team Of The Decade."

Manningham has played his entire four-year NFL career with the New York Giants. He was used minimally in his first year, having only caught four passes. In 2009, his second year, he had the second most receiving yards on the team. His impact on the Giants' passing game was undeniable from that season on.

In 2010, Manningham maintained his second place status as a Giants receiver. But with only three more receptions than the previous year, he managed to surpass his reception yardage best by one-hundred and twenty-two yards. He was and is, without a doubt, a serious deep ball threat and a clutch receiver. The "Man2Man Connection" (Manning to Mannigham) is something to behold.

This past season, Mario was not utilized as in years past, largely due to Victor Cruz. But would the Giants have made the playoffs, survived the run to Indianapolis and come out champions of Super Bowl XLVI if it were not for mario Manningham? The short and undeniable answer, no. The "Man2Man Connection" late in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl XLVI, will forever go down in history as one of the most perfectly executed plays in the NFL. Football scholars could endlessly dispute about which was the more crucial and graceful portion, Eli Manning's pass or Mario Manningham's catch.

There is no doubt that Mario Manningham has been an instrumental part of the New York Giants, since being thrown full force into the fray. He is a receiver who can do it all. The same could have been said about Steve Smith, who the front office somehow let slip through their fingers last offseason. That move proved to be the best thing for the G-men, of course. So, the question could be raised - does Eli Manning make his receivers look better than they actually are? With Mario Manningham's contract up, a guy who has only fumbled twice in his entire career, one half of the "Man2Man Connection" - do you strut 'em or cut 'em?

Next up is Domenik Hixon. Hixon is in his sixth season in the NFL, fourth with the Giants. Domenik sat out all of the 2010 season due to an injury he suffered in the first Christening practice of MetLife Stadium. Hixon has no stats for 2006 and only a fumble for 2007 (as a Denver Bronco). He was acquired from the Denver Broncos in the 2007 season, in which he recorded one reception for five yards and one rushing attempt for negative-eight yards. Of his six years in the league, Hixon has only started ten games. Giants fans are certainly familiar with his receiving skills. His season ending injury against the St Louis Rams showcased his playmaking ability and that he would go to any lengths for his team.

In the three full years that Hixon put in with the Giants, he established himself as the best kickoff returner in franchise history, something the G-Men have been lacking ever since. He holds the franchise record for most kickoff return yards in a season, 1,291 and most returns in a season, 57. Hixon's back-to-back seasons ending injuries leave plenty of room for questions. Since he sat out all of 2010 and just about all of 2011, there is no way, by any stretch of the imagination, that he could honestly expect more money if contract negotiations are to be had between him and the front office. That could leave the Giants with a hell of a steal..or a soon-to-be name on the pup/IR list. Domenik Hixon, do you strut 'em or cut 'em?

Lastly, we have a player who was one of the reasons that the Giants made it to the Super Bowl, Devin Thomas. Without the famed strip from Jacquain Williams, near game's end against the San Francisco 49ers, and Devin Thomas' recovery, the G-Men may never have been singing "I Got A Ring" on the way back home from the Super Bowl. This guy was definitely "All In" when it mattered and fought his way down field, every step of the way, to make that recovery. But is that enough to save him?

The Giants picked up Thomas in 2010, after the Washington Redskins and Carolina Panthers released him. Three teams in one year - that's got to be a record. As a receiver, he only had three receptions, this past season, for thirty-seven yards. But it was his ability to return the ball that made him useful. The return game for Big Blue was not what one would call effective last season. In fact, special teams was a huge hinderance. Matt Dodge, 'nuff said.

Devin Thomas had four more kick returns than last year's leaders, D.J. Ware and Darius Reynaud, who were both tied at twenty-one. What Thomas did with those four more returns was surpass Ware and Reynaud by one-hundred and seventy-five yards. To sum up, Devin Thomas is the best return man that the Giants have had since, guess who, Domenik Hixon. You have to appreciate what Thomas did this season as a return man. Giants fans will have to keep a special place in their heart for his game cinching fumble recovery. But, as the saying goes, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here. Do you strut 'em or cut 'em?

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My prediction

Keep:
Hakeem Nicks
Victor Cruz
Ramses Barden
Jerrel Jernigan
Devin Thomas

Cut/Don’t Re-sign
Mario Manningham
Domenik Hixon

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

this works

hixon and thomas are interchangeable I suppose

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by rcnt123 on Feb 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I would keep Hixon over Manngham,

assuming Hixon is healthy. To me, nearly every aspect of his game is superior.

by saturday on Feb 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

?

Wht would you not resign Mario that is stupid and when healthy Hixon is better than Thomas….Jerigan showed nothing, Barden has shown nothing and Thomas showed nothing as a WR…..I would try to sign Mario to a long term reasonable contract……

by trinity giant on Feb 20, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think (though I can't speak for him) it is realization of hard cold facts.

Yes Manningham is wonderful but do you really expect him to settle for a relatively low money deal as what could be a perpetual third receiver? Or do you think he will look for more money, not just for the money’s sake but for the fact that with another team he could easily be a number 2 (maybe even number 1 receiver)?

There is a difference between the two questions, of who do you want to keep, if money is not part of the equation, and which players are likely to be kept around as we deal with very limited cap numbers, and very high expectations from certain players on what they want to be paid.

I think Manningham is gone, I will be sorry to see him go but in my opinion this is not a guy that is going to turn down the chance of getting paid big money… and we won’t … we can’t be the team that pays out big money for him.

by Metalgarn on Feb 20, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty simple - we're over the cap

burying any big money into any position looks less and less likely. it may all come down to a matter of numbers. Mario’s gonna want big ones, and all we’ll have to offer him is little ones. plus mario sees the writing on the wall – this team is Cruzing their way down the field now. he wants his shot to be the man, and make ‘the man’ money. BBI isn’t saying that’s the lineup he wants, but that may be the lineup we’ll have to accept. and just like this year, with Cruz and Ballard, the next man up has to step up.

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by wilddre22 on Feb 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

According to what i've heard, we're about 7 mil over

and this link backs that up: http://nflfootballnow.com/2012/02/14/salarycap12/

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by wilddre22 on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

wasnt hixon brought in

in the 2007 season?

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

manningham

although i wont deny manningham has a good skill set as the third reciever, hes not worth the money hes gonna get from the one catch in the super bowl. in sayin that catch was great he also stalled 2 drives with a catch that went right threw his hands and another play were he ran the wrong route. giants cant pay everyone he needs to be let go and eli will make another reciever look great next year

by jstrong13 on Feb 20, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas & Hixon

If both can be had cheaply, which they probably could, the Giants should keep them both.
Manningham is just going to be too expensive to keep even if he gives a home team discount.
The Giants are going to have to get really creative this offseason in trimming salary without totaly destroying their depth. It should be interesting to watch what unfolds.

by Masakari on Feb 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

The only reason we have Thomas is because we lost Hixon for the year.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I love all these WRs

ultimately, I believe, Hixon and MM will both be not signed by the Gmen, sadly for opposite reasons.

Thomas makes it, mostly because he will want to come back to the giants and wont require a huge contract to do so. Thomas will probably also believe his best opportunity to start will come with the Giants.

Sad, I think MM is a great WR in our system. Put him with another team in another system, with a not so great QB… In another year or two, he will be looking to come back to the Giants.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

True

Manningham is probably going to go to a team devoid of WR depth with the promise of being a #1 or #2 receiving option, and he’s unfortunately going to fail.
I see his career unfolding like Steve Smith or Ike Hilliard before him.

by Masakari on Feb 20, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad but true.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Another reason it makes sense to let Manningham go

We have a couple of 3rd round draft picks in Barden and Jernigan who hopefully can step upwards and make large plays. We have loads of wide receivers, and a good quarterback who showed this year that he can get the ball to minor receivers like Hynoski and Mr. Bear. The only problem is if Nicks or Cruz get injured, in which case we might miss Mario.

I like Hixon so hope we hang onto him.

by XYU on Feb 20, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

Barden reminds me of Sinorice Moss.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd make every attempt to bring back Rio

I’m sure the Giants have a contract figured out that will allow them to keep all the WRs, so you offer that. IF he takes it, he takes it. If not, we have replacements.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 20, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

They already have a “Fair” offer in the works or on the table for MM. If they surprised Cofield with the offer last year, I am sure they can figure something out with MM..

But the biggest thing is does MM want to be here. After this, it is all speculation.

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

We do not have a Rio on the roster.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Mario is a great number3 WR

but should not be valued as anything more. He is way too inconsistent to spend huge dollars on.

If he wants to stay in that role, I’d love to have him back, if not he’ll go get an overpriced payday elsewhere.

As for Hixon and Thomas, no thanks unless they will take minimal paydays. They are positional depth only, and with Dom’s knee, I’d rather not have to count on him for anything.

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by Flynner on Feb 20, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

MM runs bad routes too.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree....

Mario is a very good reciever, but I don’t see him as a true number one. I really think that we drafted Jj last year to replace Mario and not Steve smith. Jj holds a similiar game to Mario manningham. But I eventually think barden will come in and be that number two wideout and Cruz will remain at the slot….Let Mario walk, and let hixon and Thomas compete for the KR position. Keep both if we can get them for cheap.

Im a Giants fan, What else is there to be?

by JJBleedsBlue on Feb 20, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

DePalma

C’mon guys, you’re all overlooking Little Louie.

Watch this kid, he makes the team.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Just Going

off of this:

http://nfl.si.com/2012/02/02/who-is-dan-depalma-only-the-giants-secret-weapon-in-practice/

All of us DePalma watchers are doing it half tongue-in-cheek, half-seriously I think. Nobody knows what to think, honestly.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

My bro is a senior music major at West Chester Univerity

He played in the football marching band his freshman & sophmore year and knows all about Double D. I watched one game back in ‘09 with him vs. ESU, a local university by me and one of west chester’s rivals. He had 5 catches for 120 yds and a TD. I also remember him returning some kicks for nice yardage. always seemed to have big play ability and really good hands. he could compete right away returning kicks or punts

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by sweatyguido on Feb 20, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool Story - Thanks

Almost made the Jets last year, so another year of seasoning, in our system, and I think he’s got a great chance to make NYG this coming year. The things C-Web said about him were enough for me to get excited about.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Although I'm extremely grateful for what MM did this year, I don't think you can say it wouldn't have happened without him.

If there’s one thing the Victor Cruz saga has taught us, its that you never know who is going to step up and how good they will be. MM has been good for us, but I for one am excited to see what we have behind him. Eli has been making all of his receivers look good lately, so I’d love to see what we have in JJ12, Ramses (I haven’t given up on him yet), and even DePalma.

by P. Gibbons on Feb 20, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

+10

It was a great catch. It was a better throw. Eli makes that throw once in ten tries.

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by GMen56-11 on Feb 20, 2012 2:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

First 9 are in the first 57 mins of the game

inside of 3 mins left, Eli makes it every time. He’s a Sex Panther.

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by YankeeDudeL on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

We did survive SS12 and MM is not even close to SS12.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I think HAM is a Bengal next year

They have mad cap space and could sue someone to complement my boy AJ Green.

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by CasanovaWong on Feb 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

*use, whoops.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Feb 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Was thinking Miami or Carolina.

No idea what their financial situation is.

Now in section 133.

by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Tampa would make sense

Mike Sullivan’s their offensive coordinator now. He’d be pretty familiar with MM’s game, seeing as he’s been our QB and WR assistant for a while now.

Or maybe he won’t BC of that. Who knows?

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by Charles L on Feb 20, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

My how memory fades....

If it wasn’t for Mario and Chase..We’d never have won in the playoffs or win the Super Bowl..period..

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by Bobbiblue on Feb 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

You can't possibly know that

That’s what’s great about this league. You never know who is going to step up and be a huge contributor.

by P. Gibbons on Feb 20, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No you really can't know it...

But in MMs case I did know he’d be huge..Check my posts..Chase was a surprise to me..a bonus…I’ll never understand how deep he was able to somehow get to pick that pass off..with his slow speed it was remarkable..But I did know Mario would come up bigtime for us..Nobody paid any attention to him..So where he’s concerned I knew it..I’m no Bill Belichick, but you cang listen to the sound bites..He chided his defense to focus on Cruz and Nicks..Well they did..and guess who???…MM…that’s who..and he did it throughout the playoff run…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what is not being looked at is..

…regardless of the woulda, shoulda, coulda..

the Giants made the playoffs BECAUSE of what Mario Manningham did.
That is the reality.

by Sean Kerr on Feb 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Also on MM

we do not win in the playoffs without him. Go back and look at what this guy did in the playoffs. we would not have won the SuperBlow without this guy and would not have made it their without MM.

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by costanza! on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't

think that way, though, when it comes to contracts, or even past performance in general.

It’s cold, I know, but you have to think ahead and project what he will become over the life of the contract. If you don’t see him becoming more than your No. 3 WR, you can’t offer him No. 2 money. Especially when you (a) are broke and (b) have 2 young kids, at least, ready to step up and take that role.

And for what it’s worth, I don’t think Belichick was dissing MM in any way – NE only had so many options back there, and they chose to double up on Nicks and Cruz. It was the right decision by BB, and it took an extremely rare, difficult play to beat that decision. They forced Eli to throw an absolutely perfect pass and Mario to make an absolutely perfect catch, with no margin at all—who knows how many times out of 100 passes he would’ve made it?

Not taking anything away from MM at all…but BB wasn’t taking MM lightly, he only had so many choices. Even today, you would still try to take Nicks and Cruz out of the game and make them go to the 3rd option. It would still be the right call.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is disputing his future...

..the point is being made that without him the Giants wouldn’t have won the SB.

by Sean Kerr on Feb 20, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

but I don’t see anybody doubting that point. We all know what he did, the question is whether that translates into keeping him at X dollars.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

There was someone disputing that fact earlier in the thread.

If Cruz wasn’t on the roster, Manningham would easily be the #2 guy.
MM fits well in this scheme and knows it well.
Does he deserve more money? Absolutely.
Does he deserve top dollar? No.
The Giants don’t like paying anyone top dollar anyway.
The tags won’t be used. That’s for sure.

by Sean Kerr on Feb 20, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody

likes paying top dollar. We did it with Eli, but that’s rare.

MM would be great to keep, it just doesn’t seem like a fit when you look at the options he will have to go elsewhere, the 2 starting WRs we already have, and the young kids we have coming up behind him. Just can’t see a scenario where it happens.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't seem like a fit?

That’s seems a little surprising.
I don’t see any of the new guys coming in and being the producer that MM has been.
It is a great luxury to have, when you are this deep in receiving talent.
But if Reese is not careful, he will start thinning out the herd.
If MM wasn’t the #3 guy throughout the playoffs, who could have really stepped in his place?
That’s a scary thought.

It is definitely in our best interest to have someone with MM talent in the #3 role.
When Nicks and Cruz are taken out of the game due to double/triple coverage, we need someone in that slot.

Right now, I don’t think we have it, without MM.

by Sean Kerr on Feb 20, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The Situation

itself doesn’t seem like a fit.

MM will be offered No. 2 money elsewhere that we won’t match, so that’s strike 1. We have 2 young guys in the 1 and 2 roles that aren’t going anywhere, so MM will be stuck as a No. 3 long-term, barring injury – strike 2. We have Jernigan and Barden that we’ve been developing, so assuming the brass is still high on these guys – strike 3.

I say this as someone who likes MM. I just don’t see the situation being a fit. (Unless Mike Sorrentino can catch passes with those abs. Yo yo!)

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I can remember, not that long ago...

How the loss of Steve Smith was going to kill us, we had no one that could step up like Smith did… wham! here comes Cruz.

Sure if MM will take a low contract, we keep him… I am sure the Giants would love to keep him, they simple cannot pay him what he will demand.

Someone will step up, when Eli’s throwing the ball someone will step up.

Maybe my read on Manningham is wrong, but I think he is going to get paid and that is all he is going to be concerned with. I wish him luck… except when/if he is playing against us.

by Metalgarn on Feb 20, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Could not disagree more. I love MM

As the 3rd option, but he was an unmitigated disaster at the two spot. He did not know the routes and caused a ton of int’s!

by Giant Ken on Feb 20, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the other thing you have to think of

Is what if MM was injured, the way guys have been stepping up and filling roles,

could JJ or Barden have done what MM has done?? That is going to come into play, when it comes the contract they offer MM.

Was it him, or the position?

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 20, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That is exactly my point..

..I don’t think anyone who is an understudy receiver could have filled that role.
Reese is smart.
Hopefully, MM is too and doesn’t ask for eleventy billion dollars.

by Sean Kerr on Feb 20, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I happen to agree with you

but I do believe we will have people that can fill that position with a whole offseason…

Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.

by Skii31 on Feb 20, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

JJ/Barden

JJ probably couldn’t have done it last year, he was too green. Next year is a different story, so you have to project his growth.

Barden is a wildcard. Was he inactive because he stunk on special teams, or was he inactive because he made mistakes in the Jets game and lost trust? Hard to say.

Barden maybe could have done something, hard to say. But again, it’s about projecting what Barden 2012 will be, with a full offseason to prepare (remember he was injured the entire offseason last year and missed the first 7 games).

It’s also about what the free agent market might be for a No. 3 WR – maybe you get a Jerricho Cotchery or some other vet for a lot less than you’d have to pay MM.

It’s a complex decision with several variables involved.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

We did have Thomas and Barden for green zone.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I say you offer MM a contract that is made for a 3rd wide out. Maybe he stays because he knows how GREAT Eli is. Maybe the other wide outs say hey look at Steve Smith and Plax they went no where without Eli. Just maybe he smart enough to understand that. Wait a minute we talking about Mario who runs the incorrect routes all the time. Never mind that.

I say we resign Devin Thomas sorry but two ACL tears in 2 years is not good.

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by Giantstep on Feb 20, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Hate to see HAM go.

Yes, that was me posting ham pictures for the entire playoff run.

Alas, I think if Hixon is healthy we may be underestimating his value. He knows the system inside and out, and when you consider him as a THIRD receiver, I think he stacks up well, skill-wise. AND he can return kicks.

He could hold down the spot while Jernigan develops, or compete with JJ for both spots in camp. He should be extremely cheap.

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by Simms-McConkey on Feb 20, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

most mick off returns in a season

Is a dubious record. It means the defense is allowing lots of scores.

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by GMen56-11 on Feb 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

kick off returns

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by GMen56-11 on Feb 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think it mostly just means

That he was good enough that the team didn’t need a kick return platoon like we do most of the time.

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by Charles L on Feb 20, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hixons skills have been missed all year

Hixon is worth keeping for his special teams ability hands down that has suffered since his absence. And in a 3 ww set he fills the role well if needed. Just pray that man can stay active for a complete season!

MM will unfortunately be one of the many victims of the salary cap. :(

by Giant_In_Texas on Feb 20, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Hard to recover from these kinds of injuries

He may have permanently lost his speed.

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by Charles L on Feb 20, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a good point. If that’s the case I really hope some light turns on in barden… bacause we are in mass cap pain.

I can’t see MM accepting chump change because you know other teams are going to throw money at him.

by Giant_In_Texas on Feb 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Barden

is make-or-break. He needs to screw his head on and work insanely hard this offseason, physically and mentally, or he’s toast.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean we have not learned from S.Moss experience yet?

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I Think

we have. Doubt we keep Barden this year unless he makes big progress.

I give him a bit of a mulligan for last year, because he missed the whole offseason and was on PUP until Week 7 or 8.

But in the process he seems to have gone from a smart, mature sort of kid to a bit of a goofball. There was something odd about him not attending Eli’s Hoboken workouts during the lockout…even though he couldn’t participate fully, he should’ve been there learning. I think he attended once to “show his face” but then didn’t go back anymore.

I didn’t get that…or all the Twitter baloney…just seems unserious about his career.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 21, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

i could be wrong but I think Thomas gives us more value than Hixon as a gunner

i like Thomas to come back, but Hixon and Rio to go unfortunately. I like Hixon but he’s become pretty replaceable by guys on the roster and Rio’s going to cost too much

by kcc444 on Feb 20, 2012 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

Thomas can contribute many different ways. Hixon’s knees are permanently shot, first hit and he’s done (again).

My QB has 2 rings. Well, 3 if you want to get technical.

2012 NYG mock - 1: Dwayne Allen TE, 2: Brandon Boykin CB/RS, 3: A.J. Jenkins WR, 4: Vick Ballard RB, 5: Neiko Thorpe S, 6: Rishard Matthews WR/RS, 6: Blake DeChristopher G/T, 7: BPA

by ct17 on Feb 20, 2012 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Manningham was very inconsistent this year.

He probably had more critical drops than any of the other Giants receivers.

And, his miscommunications with Eli led to incompletions and interceptions.

We seem to forget that the drive before the big catch, he had one on the Right sideline that he stepped out of bounds on. That one should have been a spectacular catch, and the Giants should have cruised to victory in the 4th quarter.

His physical abilities are there. He can be a great YAC receiver, but the mental lapses and drops (especially in the end zone) make him a risky proposition.

Worth keeping, but not worth breaking the bank on. If I were Jerry Reese, I’d show Manningham’s agent the lowlight reel to go with the highlight reel that the agent will have blasting away on YouTube.

Tom

by Tom Werner on Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Manningham did not go high in the draft because he did poorly on the NFL written tests.

Since he has come to the Giants he has struggled with his assignments, as expected,
but he still retains very good physical skills. He could be so much more, if he were
smarter.

It would not be a stretch if Barden or Jerningan did well next season. Barden is actually
very smart and has very good size for a wide receiver. If he can get down field, he will
do just fine. Or he good be another Steve Smith type, but a whole lot bigger.

by frankiec on Feb 20, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

The Plan

Agreed. A lot has to do with what the plan is this offseason. Do we intent to expand what we do in the offense with TEs, RBs, FBs? If so, does the WR position become a bit lower priority?

Or do we intend to go further down the road of becoming a pass-first offense, where 3- and 4-wide sets become more the norm? If so, then having a stable of WRs becomes more of a priority – and then losing Ham might become a bigger deal than we suspect.

Every decision has offsets. It will affect who we draft, why we draft them, who we sign as UDFAs and FAs, who we keep and who we let go.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Manningham also dropped in the draft

because he tested positive for marijuana while at Michigan.

Mickey C

by Mickey C on Feb 20, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT? wow

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Offseason decisions

are always difficult. However, the Giants are currently over the projected salary cap for next season. They are not going to be able to re-sign all of their FA’s. They will also be forced to cut some players as well. I am sure a few players will agree to re-structure their current contracts to help the Giants fit under the cap. But, I just don’t see them re-signing Manningham. Mario will command top dollar in free agency and the Giants will not be able to match. Get ready Giants fans, many of your favorites will not be back next year.

by ejcal70 on Feb 20, 2012 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Hixon is going to be real cheap

There’s no reason not to bring him into camp.

As for Manningham, even if he gets moderate money, with what Nicks and Cruz are going to be paid, the third receiver for the next few years should be someone on his rookie contact or a really cheap veteran.

by Mount17 on Feb 20, 2012 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

If the other NFL teams recognize Ham's shortcomings ...

His occasional lack of focus on where the sideline is, lack of “reading” the route the same way his QB does here and there, and not being the sharpest tool in the shed in general … and ask themselves the question: “Does Eli make him look better than he would be with our QB?” …

Then he might well remain a Giant, and for a reasonable $ figure. To me, with 4 years invested in our playbook, and likely a greater learning curve for any other team than most veterans, he may just be worth more to us than to another team.

by Shofner85 on Feb 20, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

They Will

dissect everything if they’re going to spend a ton of dough on him. Which may well help us keep him. Let’s say he looks poor on film – constant mistakes that none of us really see. Maybe we can live with it, maybe they can’t, or won’t invest in him if he doesn’t seem like he truly has top-WR potential.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there such a thing as too much talent

I want Cruz
Manningham
Nicks
Ss12 aka Benedict Arnold
Thomas
And Jernigan
Cut barden we have enough talent he hasn’t shown anything thus far except he can bike. If he produces elsewhere good for him we have enough talent without him

by Gregjonesformvp on Feb 20, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Manningham

As much as I would like to see him return,the reality is some team is going to offer him #1 receiver type money and he won’t turn it down.

by moncho619 on Feb 20, 2012 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Well

I would doubt No. 1 money, like $10M a year or something like that, but certainly No. 2.

by Pink Flamingo on Feb 20, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

A choice of one to cut Hixon of course

because of age and injuries. MM proved he was clutch this year, but the big issue is dough. DT looks like a ST ace.

by lueeluee on Feb 20, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

DT should be able to catch as WR too.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Ham goes

And it will not be because the Giants did not make him a fair 3rd receiver offer.

It will be because he thinks he is a #1 – or wants to find out if he is.

And someone made him an offer of what the Giants see as stupid money.

I’d love to see him back for reasonable $$$$. Do not expect it.

Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.

by MSP Giant on Feb 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

It's going to be nigh impossible to keep Super Mario

Someone’s gonna through more money at him than the Giants will, and with a Super Bowl ring on his hand, he has no reason not to take it. However, I do think Barden will be a big contributor next season. He didn’t get a whole lot of looks, but I did see more intensity from him (at least compared to his first season, in which he looked like the game was too fast for him). Health, of course, will be the big factor. And to be honest, we didn’t utilize Ramses right. That will change next year, and the passing game will become all the more formidable. Calling it now.

Hixon, man I hate it for him, but I think his injuries keep him out of a blue jersey next year. When he first came to us, we all of a sudden had a return game. He also proved he could really fly down the field (not that he could always catch a perfectly thrown ball). Jernigan officially takes over his role.

Also, I think DePalma makes the team, and has an big impact on ST and even one game where we’re injury shortened at WR. Count these as my WR predictions for next year.

"The elite debate will probably go on forever. But tonight I’m a Super Bowl Champion, and that’s the only title that truly matters." - Eli Manning

by YankeeDudeL on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

how bout bruce johnson

isn’t he an EFA?

by EJAAY on Feb 21, 2012 3:17 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I'm stil confused

Should I or should I not buy a Manningham NY Giants jersey? lol

by dizzrock on Feb 21, 2012 3:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

No

Stick to the major ones such as Eli

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Organic vegetable gardens are pretty cool...yes or no?

"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)

by nywins46 on Feb 21, 2012 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

Yes as long as there are no Brussel Sprouts.

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Barden?

Ok, I can’t say I saw a whole lot of Barden other than a few catches here and there, but I wasn’t impressed with the little I did see. He seems slow and goofy out there…can someone please make me feel differently? I don’t see how he or Jernigan will be able to fill in for Ham and the Giant offense not miss a beat.

It's still GIANTS Stadium
You down wit JPP---yeah you know me

by Gmenfan on Feb 21, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

I think the best I can do to make you feel better is the NE game week 9

if he could play every game the way he played in that game, no one will ever remember MMs name next year.

Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG

Let's Go Giants!!!!

by maculis on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks brah...will try to find clips on YouTube

It's still GIANTS Stadium
You down wit JPP---yeah you know me

by Gmenfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

True...he made some nice catches and one of them he just snatched away with his long arms

Right now I see Barden as more of a possesion receiver, has to work on getting YAC!

by oldschoolblue64 on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The Chiefs will have to release Heywood JaBlome

and he is a hell of a TE. What do you think?

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Off topic, but I'm looking at Hugh Jass - Guard PHI

Although we already have Kevin Boothe filling that role.

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Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

He plays well especially during a full moon

I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"

by Fester McDougal on Feb 21, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Feb 21, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

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