2012 NFL Draft: Pre-Combine Thoughts From Mike Mayock
by Ed Valentine on Feb 17, 2012 2:01 PM EST
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PrintNFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock held a conference call Thursday to discuss 2012 draft prospects in advance of next week's Scouting Combine. I thought I would share some tidbits from the call that might be of interest.
On Boston College middle linebacker Luke Kuechly, who seems unlikely to fall to the Giants at 32:
"I think he's the best inside linebacker in this draft by far. He's a natural three-year junior. He's got more production
than you could imagine. He's never been hurt. He's got no significant injuries. He's clean off the field, intelligent. He's got great instincts, and he's a better athlete than people think."
On Arizona State linebacker Vontaze Burfict:
"I'm not a fan at all. ... I just watched a bunch of his tape the other day, and I said forget the penalties and
all is that stuff that surrounds him. What kind of football player is he? And I came away unimpressed. ... his instincts aren't good. He gets enveloped by big bodies. He runs around end blocks. For a big, strong guy, he's nowhere near as good at the point of attack as I thought he would be."
On Virginia Tech running back David Wilson, who might be available for the Giants:
"He's interesting. There are some people that think he could be a first round pick. I probably did four games of his last week. I think he's really quick with great feet and balance. I think he's kind of a downhill one-cut guy, which is atypical for his size. He doesn't have quite as much shake and bake and make you miss. But his feet are so good, and his quickness in short areas is so good. He makes you miss anyway. What I like about him is his burst,
acceleration, and balance. I have him as a second-round guy."
On the importance of the Combine:
What I always say is fast guys run fast, and slow guys run slow. It's not a story when that happens. But when a fastguy runs slow or a slow guy runs fast, now you've got to figure out why.
What I look at and what the smart teams look at is when you see a 4.32 that a wide receiver runs that you thought was a 4.45 guy on tape, for instance, okay, that's a cross check. You have to go back and find out whether or not this kid is
really that fast on tape, or is it manufactured speed that he got from some training camp where he learned how to start and do all those things, but he's still the same guy.
I think that's where the trap is. We start to fall in love with all the numbers ... the bottom line to me is that each component in this process has to be taken on its own merits, and it can't be the leader of the process. The leader always has to be the college production and the tape.
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Can we get Hightower?
If not, let’s pass on LB and get an O-lineman or TE Dwayne Allen.
lets finally try to understand What Reese Does
and it took a while to get it through my head over the past several drafts – REESE DRAFTS GOOD (the best) PLAYERS REGARDLESS OF POSITION!
But Reese doesn't know what he's doing
He should listen to me. :)
Shoot him an email
with some advice on the draft and if he drafts the guy you said to draft we will all Know it was The Gifford form behind the scenes who is building the Giants!
I would just show up at the combine and yell things at him.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I'm sure he has his own pile of letters telling him he doesn't know
what he’s doing. Just like Mr. Mara has his pile of, fire coughlin, letters.
by dizzrock on Feb 17, 2012 5:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hahaha!!!...Reese said as much about the mail he gets...
They should post all of them up on the wall and have the Super Bowl trophy setting there in the foreground..LOL
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Marc Ross is the one who puts the board together, Reese pulls the trigger based on what
Ross and his team of scouts say.
Reese was Ross for Accorsi so if want to grade Reese’s drafting skills, look at Osi and Eli and guys like that.
Point is one man doesnt deserve the credit…… the whole staff is incredible.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yeah, when Reese is mentioned, I hope its implied that that means the entire scouting department, capologists, etc
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think somepeople think he's a one man wrecking crew
Nice theory but in reality a GM simply has no time to scout during the season like that at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Hightower's a tortoise
I hope we cannot get him
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Tortoise?
Why because he does not run a 4.43 40 time? He was a the leader of a pro style offense and the consensus #2 middle linebacker available. I would take him if he was available. I think we can get a really good TE or OL with our 2nd rd pick.
cuz he'll runa 5.5 40, that's why
he’s slow. Like Brandon Spikes slow. Don’t even pay attention to Dont’a.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
That's how the Eagles draft
I rather top/freakish athletes than model citizens and team leaders.
by Worl'Boss on Feb 18, 2012 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
noted
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Win Ugly.
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Hightower isn't the athlete Reese typically drafts
by leviathen2003 on Feb 17, 2012 9:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The kid from BC
will be long gone, most likely top 15. The other one, forget it!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
Mayock has a good point at the end.
The combine is what it is. You confirm what you already know, but it ain’t the end all, be all. Game tape reigns supreme, though like he said, if a slow guy runs fast, it can only help. If a fast guy runs slow, if its not cause of injury, it’ll only hurt.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions
Even if the slower time is because of injury, it hurts the stock
Cause then the injury gets taken into account. I agree with your comment, but I want to throw something out there. I went from a 4.8 to a 4.6 (fastest ever was 4.56) with the help of a strength/conditioning coach who worked on the fundamentals of running. Prior to working with me, he told me I was a sloppy runner, that I had a lot more potential. I carried that teaching over to the playing field and was remarkably faster there too. My conclusion is that these guys who are working with trainers could be taught something to make them faster, which could translate to the field. I agree that most of the time these guys are just tuned up to run faster in the combine, but a percentage may have techniques learned for future use.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
First BBVer to get Noted
All good points. Major point I was trying to make was that the combine is more or less marginal compared to one's overall
body of work. But yeah, I have to believe that with combine specific training, techniques are probably learned to make the athlete more efficient on the field.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
when do you even run straight for 40 yards on a football field anyways?
well, unless you’re Victor Cruz… Straight-line speed, while important, is only one of at least 6 or 7 major factors that helps determine a good WR (or any other position)
I think what's most important about the 40 yard dash
is how long it takes to get up to top speed. Acceleration is important, and it measures that. It’s also a good indicator of what type of overall athlete you are, so you definitely take that into consideration as well. Is the player in shape? Has he worked hard to get into shape? Those are questions whose answers can be made a little clearer by the 40 yard dash. That’s why it has importance, as opposed to how it translates on to the field, cause you’re right…it rarely does haha.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
This
Think about how fast a car goes 0-60mph.
40 yard dash is that for people!
And from personal experience… a 4.3 guy and a 4.5 guy is a BIG difference.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 17, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
meah
40 times are overrated. The league is littered with stars deemed too slow. Conversely, there’s many duds with good speed. In the end it comes down to can you play the game on the field physically and mentally.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
Forget this long jump and 40 time
How does this kid play on game day also what is his character? Remember the Nicks, Crabtree Hayward -Bey & Kenny Britt draft? Who would you rather have now? Nicks was picked toward the end of the first round and was the most NFL ready and high character guy. Britt has a wrap sheet the length of the Jersey Shore, Hayward-Bey just runs fast(sound familar) and crabtree is ok not great ok. So that is what JR and TC and the maras want guys who will represent the team on and off the field.
Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?
by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 17, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Its pretty sad
I remember Nicks was getting heat from some people because he “lacks upside” due to running a 4.5. Ha
Right and remember the weight gain issue?
But back to football acumen and on the field play.
Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?
by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 17, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but everyone has positives and negatives =).
40 time is just one of the many tools. It doesn’t mean its useless.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 17, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no I agree but too much is made
of alot of these drills these guys go through. The upside guys that havent peaked yet like a JPP some guys just peak in college, then others with the full arsenal of a NFL training and coaching staff become much better.
Tommy Boy twice in 4 years you still can't score more than 17 points. I guess when you dont have an illegal DVD of our defense it makes it much harder now don't it?
by NYG86-90-07-11 on Feb 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Vince Young, Matt Hasselbeck, Jason Campbell, Alex Smith, Eli Manning
Those are the quarterback names throwing to the other WRs.
I love Nicks, but who’s to say that Crabtree wouldn’t be much better with Eli Manning throwing him the ball than with the quarterbacks they have had.
I think an often overlooked factor of player’s success in the draft is WHERE they are drafted as much as how good they are.
Some guys just fit systems better.
I think a player like Clint Sintim is in the wrong system, but could have been pretty good elsewhere for example
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by Jesse Bartolis on Feb 17, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good point. There are plenty of examples of players being "terrible"
up until they get somewhere else and start to beast in that system. For example, before he became a douche and injured….Peyton Hillis was ass in Denver’s ZBS, but once he got placed in a power blocking scheme he was real good.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
no he wouldn't
he’d have to be on the field to contribute
Meh, if it wasn't for the combine
Would we have picked JPP? Sometimes guys with a lot of potential aren’t put in the right system in college, or aren’t experienced enough.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 17, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
It was one of the ingenious picks I ever saw as it turns out...
He played football for what one year?…amazing
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
At the combine
You are running in shorts and tee shirt, I maintain there is a diiference between that, and
running with total football gear…Best example of that to me is Jerry Rice, people thought he
didn’t have enough speed coming from a small program. All I know, on a football field, he was rarely caught from behind, ie., football speed.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 18, 2012 6:54 AM EST up reply actions
There is a huge difference with helmet and pads on...
Even your perception and hearing are changed…So your right when you say ‘football speed’…It’s not just running..it’s also seeing, hearing, sensing….
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Rice was still a first round pick
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
And we carried him on roster for years
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Sounds like Burfict is done already...he needs to clean up alot of stuff
by oldschoolblue64 on Feb 17, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions
I don't think he'd ever be an option for us
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
he won't be. Someone will take a flier on him.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I would take Burfict in the 3rd or 4th
he’s a douchebag, but that late it its OK.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Certainly not worth our first but he could be a steal later on in the draft
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Dontari Poe
Thought it was interesting how Mayock said, “He might be the kind of guy that doesn’t get a tackle in his first year.” But loves his potential. Sounds like the perfect guy for us to stash if he doesn’t blow up the combine and cause his stock to soar.
Also thought it was interesting that he thought DeCastro could be available later in the 1st Round, when I’ve usually seen him go in the teens.
One of the dudes I want to draft is Alshon Jeffrey. He's just a monster, plain and simple.
There’s rumors that he’ll be too slow at the combine, but I don’t think that’s true. If we are able to get him, I’ll cream my pants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKAO6R_0Rg&feature=related
It’s a highlight reel, but still. Mayock said he’s a late first rounder to early second rounder at this point. I’d love for him to be our 1st rounder.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Separation
Mayock’s report on him was iffy, though, because of the separation factor. Being a monster in college because of physical attributes might not translate to the pro game.
That said, if we scout him and like him, I’d be down with grabbing a big dominant receiver.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Dag
That video is pretty convincing. Love the way he moves and runs with a nasty streak.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mayock said that it might be the issue re: speed. If Alshon runs well, it shouldn't have a problem.
He was able to cause separation this year. Destroyed Alfonzo Dennard this year too.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ramses Barden
hit hardest if we draft Jeffery. ;)
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah. Jeffrey had more difficult competition than Barden did....also had better body control than Ramses.
Jeffrey routinely won jump balls. Barden was just taller than everybody. People are calling Jeffrey the next Larry Fitzgerald or Mike Williams (the detroit bust)…so who knows. He’s a risk.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's Where
I’d trust our scouting department. We’ve been getting good at avoiding first round busts the last several years.
How smart is he? That’s the one downside to grabbing a WR this early, it might take awhile to get the run-and-shoot, route adjustment concepts Gilbride is running.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
that's true. Intelligence is a large factor. People will look at Manningham and say, "hey if he can do it
so can anybody", but HAM was pretty football intelligent. Poor awareness, but he knew how to run his routes and make adjustments. I hope Jeffrey is up to the task. I haven’t heard anything about how stupid he might be.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but again, I’m sure Marc Ross and the scouts will sort it all out. I’d be excited to get this guy if all shakes out.
But I could go almost any direction with the Round 1 pick at this point. I’m down with OL, DL, LB, TE, RB…ha ha. Now just add WR to the list.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha truth
this draft class is much better than last years
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
At 32
You get what you get, and a lot of wild things can happen on the way down the board.
And if you’re picking 32, chances are you’re not desperate to fill a need, because…you know…you got a ring. ;)
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Andre Brown got one too
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not that they'd do such a thing
but it would be beyond hilarious if they didn’t give rings to PS players.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
lol
“everybody thats got a ring please step foward. Not so fast Andre”
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Trying to understand why Andre Brown is the I got a ring singer
I don’t recall him seeing the field in the regular season. How did he even get a ring? Hope he makes the team this year and earns a ring.
by scarlet knight on Feb 17, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Because he can sing...hahaha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
practice squad players get rings too
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
he still a member of the team
and he was excited. Should he just sit on the bench and not cheer?
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
I always wince when I read a comment that Manningham isn't smart...
He’s very smart..there are times when he is out of synch with Eli…but that happens with every receiver..In the Super Bowl…two key routes..One, he ran himself out of room…The second a beautiful catch that was key to winning the prize…I mentioned many times that he was our sleeper for the playoffs..every team was focussed on Nicks and Cruz…I knew he’d come up bigtime..
It will be a shame if this trio gets broken up..but that the reality of the sport players will leave..but we have Barden and JJ in the wings…I don’t foresee the receiver position being an issue at all…TE is a whole different story..We are in trouble there…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Wonderlic
Manningham got a 6 on his Wonderlic score, I think that’s where the reputation for being less than a genius comes from.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
probably cuz idiots think the Wonderlic can tell intelligence
funny how that works……
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Right
And as the theories go, there are different types of intelligence. Football IQ is the relevant one here.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Where do they sell Wonderlics???..Bass Pro Shops???
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The adult store up the street!
Oh my bad……wrong wonderlick!:)
by leviathen2003 on Feb 17, 2012 9:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hahahaha!!!..I knew somebody would say that!!..LOL!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
He did also run the wrong route on
Another play in the SB!
Even so, we should keep this group 2gether.
by Giant Ken on Feb 17, 2012 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jeffrey is the next Plaxico Burress
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I certainly believe so.
I’d take him over any receiver not named Blackmon or Floyd. And even then, it’d be one hell of a debate with Floyd.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
The next super skilled underachiever? nice
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Plax was pretty good here
and if he was on a 32nd overall pick contract, it’d be gravy.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Overall he was one of the greatest underachievers in the NFL
I like Jeffrey tho but not gonna happen. IMO.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he had a drunkard as a QB :(
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
on the field
Jeffrey by all accounts isn’t a nipplehead. He just likes to eat, but that hasn’t hurt Hakeem.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
without the glock?
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Jeffrey got plenty of separation in college
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I rather not. We are heavy at wide out. Glenn could be there i love to draft a big guard that can play RT. At least Miller gives us an option on KR/PR option too. JJ12 was not that impressive last year. Can not blame it all on the ST.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
JJ looked good in the postseason returning
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Good Guys
will be available in every round.
Better off taking BPA in each round, the position distribution will work out in the end. Maybe we get an All-Pro OL or RB in Round 3 or 4, who knows? As long as we get them, doesn’t really matter which round they arrived in – we’ll walk out of Radio City with a basket of new players, and there will be RBs, WRs, TEs, OLs, DLs, DBs, etc. among ’em.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly think its possible to draft a WR.
We aren’t as deep as we think we are. We lose Manningham. Barden has been injury prone. JJ12 we’ll use on ST as well as WR, where he definitely turned it on late. Domenik Hixon is gone, two ACL tears plus free agent. Devin Thomas gave us nothing in the way of a receiving game. Therefore, we have only Nicks, Cruz, Barden, JJ12, Thomas. We could stand to use another WR to develop in case Barden or JJ!2 don’t develop. Replenish the field.
Jeffrey is talented and when all is said and done, probably not available at our pick, but who knows. That’s not to say I would mind Glenn. I love Glenn as a prospect. If we get either of those two, I’d be beyond ecstatic.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I can see a WR being drafted at some point if they lose Ham. Plus a low key FA brought on to replace guys like Hixon, Thomas, Clayton for depth and special teams duty. and finally the secret weapon DePlama will be released.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
WR is definitely a need. I don’t know where all this JJ12 and Barden hope comes from.
by NotThatChrisRusso on Feb 17, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Barden I understand the lack of hope on
been here three years and only showed a little bit when he has played.
But JJ12, why is there no hope for him? Drafted last year, with no offseason mini-camps or OTAs, great weapon with his speed, and improvement in the return game during the postseason, JR drafting him and expecting him to be a factor this year, and of course Eli throwing to him. I pretty sure thats where the hope comes from.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I have high hopes for him.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
as do I
but I also had high hopes for Barden….. fingers still crossed on that one.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he can play
Although I did think he’d look faster on returns. His perceived, on my part, lack of explosiveness on returns really shocked me this year.
by Giant Ken on Feb 17, 2012 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
during the regular season yes
but the post season he look much better
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
JJ12 Barden "hope"
It comes from the fact that working with Eli Manning on a consistent basis can turn and average player good, a good player great, and a great player into a superstar.
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Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
JJ12 had two ok returns in the superbowl
This can affect Hixon too
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
This team still needs
a PR, can’t watch Blackmon scare the crap out of me every time a punt comes in his direction. I mean I just can’t, LOL!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 18, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think JJ can fill that role
After a year under his belt I think he will perform much better next season
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Cordy Glenn sucks
and who cares if we’re “heavy” at wideout? Nicks is one thing, Cruz we don’t know if he’s gonna sustain this and Ham is gone. The rest are unproven. Get some competition in there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Cordy Glenn doesn't "suck"
but we have our own opinions.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Winn impregnated him when Boise played Georgia
Winn is going to be an average NFL D lineman. And that is all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What happened to people having bad games?
He shutdown LSU’s passrush for the most part. Does he struggle with speed rushers some? Sure, but he has infinitely more good tape than bad and you know it. As a Guard he completely destroyed Nick Fairley as well. And I’m pretty sure it was Shea McClellin who beat him. On top of that, he shut down Quinton Coples in Senior Bowl practices and didn’t struggle in the actual game either. Senior Bowl doesn’t mean too much, but it confirms his tape for everything that Glenn is: a dominant guard with the potential to be an extremely strong RT.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
admit it, you don't like him cause he's fat.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I knew it.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
I remember arguing a lot with you last year leading up to the draft. I remember specifically saying that I hoped we drafted Marvin Ausitn In fact you said there IS NO WAY WE ARE DRAFTING MARVIN AUSTIN (as if you have some insider information) Then we drafted him like 20 minutes later. HaHa
Jeffrey is a fat slob he looked like an OL at the beginning of this year. I bet he slips into the second round. But whatever Cordy Glenn sucks and Alshon fatty is the best!
Carry on…
I never said that.
Jeffrey looked like the best WR in college football last year, this year he had the equivelent of Tim Tebow as his QB. Glenn is 360lbs. Go head, carry on.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah I agree
I like the way he attacks the ball, but I wouldn’t cream my pants over it, LOL!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 18, 2012 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
Bucs just hired BIll Sheridan as their D coordinator
They’re flying him in on a ROFLcopter as I type this
"Tom Coughlins hugging Flava Flav, What in the world is happening here!"
-Rich Eisen
Mike Sullivan must be facepalming like hell
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is even more off topic and potentially NSFW
"Tom Coughlins hugging Flava Flav, What in the world is happening here!"
-Rich Eisen
by sejo28 on Feb 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
holy crap this is hilarious.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
wow
lol
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
what's happening in the pic is disturbing
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
wow
only $5?!
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
5 dollars is all my mom allows me to spend
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Its not every day something like this gets posted
that I havent seen before… good stuff haha
by Oppenheimer919 on Feb 17, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha I almost got into a car accident seeing this
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 17, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
You know Sullivan is wishing he never signed on there.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
Who Knows?
Maybe Sullivan recommended Sheridan in the first place. Maybe they’re buds.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 17, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I guess its possible
Sheridan wont be following up a superbowl winning coach this time so maybe he will be fine….or maybe not i could care less at this point
"Tom Coughlins hugging Flava Flav, What in the world is happening here!"
-Rich Eisen
What the hell are the Bucs doing?
Interesting coaching decisions down there on the Gulf coast?
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 18, 2012 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
wowow lol he's going to get some moneyzz under the table.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
What? that can be done?
money under that table?
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
David Wilson
Sounds like a great fit at “32” if they get rid of BJ.
by NotThatChrisRusso on Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like Wilson.
He’s really fast. REALLY fast. I like Miller just a little better though, more strength and better vision.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't watch much college football
So I wouldn’t know but I like the idea of getting a good RB in the 1st or 2nd if that TE from Clemson is already gone.
by NotThatChrisRusso on Feb 17, 2012 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think what'll happen is a few teams will
reach for QBs (and those guys are our best friends), along with some dude that we all thought would go in the 3rd or 4th round will go in the first to another team. That’ll allow one of the premier prospects to fall, and we’ll be able to snag one. So most likely, as was the case for the past two years, we’re getting someone we weren’t even talking about.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I am sure the eagles will draft a 3rd rounder in the first.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
Eagles' draft moves are curious
Who is their GM? A lost Ryan brother? A double agent from the Giants?
by scarlet knight on Feb 17, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
the Shegulls have their eyes on a
46 year old line man in Div 3 Ball but it’s cool he is a paramedic in Toronto in the offseason
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
Hahahaha!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ha...I see they are up to their old tricks again.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I like him
the G-Men don’t draft RB’s in the first round, since you know who? Can you say Badgers…
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 18, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take the BJ
not the Brandon Jacobs. lol
by dizzrock on Feb 17, 2012 5:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am sure a good player will be overlooked and JR will swoop in.
My big questions for the offseason are:
1. Will we re-sign Manningham?
2. Will Amukamara be any good next year? And , if so, will Ross be allowed to walk?
3. Brandon Jacobs-back at low price or cast ashore?
Just IMO
1. We wont be able to afford him
2. I think he will be, guy had no offseason and a broken foot, and yes ross will walk
3.Cast ashore, although i will definitely miss that crazy bastard
"Tom Coughlins hugging Flava Flav, What in the world is happening here!"
-Rich Eisen
I think the answer to #2 is yes...the others are big question marks....
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Our secondary could be really good next year
Hell could have been good this year if healthy, your looking at Webster, TT, Prince, Tryon, WItherspoon who was real good in training camp, and im not sure if Blackmon counts but he’s only in case of emergencies anyway.
"Tom Coughlins hugging Flava Flav, What in the world is happening here!"
-Rich Eisen
That is what we said going into last year
And then the grim reaper took em all out
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 17, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Damn...The pre-season was HORRIBLE.
With each season I tell myself that it can’t be as bad as the injuries were the year before…and every year I am made into a liar before the first kickoff of the regular season.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
Eagles won the superbowl in the pre season
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Right...plus they have already won the next 5 pre-season Super Bowls
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
Drafting at 32 means that we won the superbowl Yaaaahhh
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
by BB1156 on Feb 17, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the best part about Amukamara...
was that after the couple bad weeks he had u never heard his name called even when u knew he was on the field..just like web! he must have been doing something right!
by leviathen2003 on Feb 17, 2012 9:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He got a chance to be on the field..then study the films and work with the coaches...
He was fine after that…There is a huge difference between practice an game speed experience..He’ll be a good one…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
True and he was fine eventually and did well in post season and look how lucky to win SB in rookie season
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
this will be micheal floyd
i’ve been sayin it for weeks
"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"
-Abraham Lincoln
"Let me explain something to you. Um, I am not 'Mr. Lebowski'. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know, that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing."
-Jeffery Lebowski, The Dude
by sweatyguido on Feb 17, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Just IMO
1. We wont be able to afford him
2. I think he will be, guy had no offseason and a broken foot, and yes ross will walk
3.Cast ashore, although i will definitely miss that crazy bastard
"Tom Coughlins hugging Flava Flav, What in the world is happening here!"
-Rich Eisen
I agree on all 3
I like Jacobs’ leadership. Manning to Manningham is a classic and I appreciate his clutch catches in the playoffs. I think Amukamara will be good and Aaron Ross is replaceable.
by scarlet knight on Feb 17, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Prince was very good in the post season
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Don't like any of them.
Mike didn’t say that any of
them were his famous words, “natural bender”. lol
by dizzrock on Feb 17, 2012 5:05 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Lets get ready for the combine!
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 17, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions
While I am hypnotized...
I find myself waiting for something to break in hilarious fashion.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
Ha...
good catch
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
If that person would stop waving legs in front of the vase it can be seen clearly.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I'm setting here with a beer saying...Ok stop there...Ok stop there..Ok stop there..Dammit!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Every time I think that I've sown enough of my oats
and I can settle down, something tells me that I still have work to do. Sigh. We all have our crosses to bear.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
hahaha
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha!!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
pfartttttttttttttt
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
OL reinforcements in FA
Tony Moll – can play guard or RT
Samson Satele – can play C
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
on Vontaze
I hope he drops to the 2nd round or 3rd and we pick him up like we did with Manningham….. tons of talent but far enough down in the draft where it makes since.
I’d love to get a RB but we need the guys that open the holes.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
I live in AZ and have watched him play
He WAS about as over rated as any player ive ever seen. Hes an idiot with a 0 football iq. We ll never take him.
by Giant Ken on Feb 18, 2012 2:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here in AZ i am getting tired of Warner undermining Eli for League MVP/HOF etc
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I agree on O line
If there is a hole, anyone can run thru it. Thanks to Diehl and McKenzie, but we can do better. i was not impressed with Baas. I like Petrus , Beatty, Snee.
i like Boothe. He is a classy guy and has really done well for us. He just is getting older and slower now. Will miss him when he leaves
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
One more time
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
awesome!!!!
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
This is just incredible!!!!...Great job!!!!!
Can I buy one off of you????
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
If the Giants really would consider a RB at that spot
and I dont think they will….
Then if the Texans put a 1st round tender on Arian Foster, I would do it and pay him the big bucks. He’s the real deal, and not only can he run but he is excellent catching the ball out of the backfield.
But I still doubt Reese is thinking anything about RB at #1 even though its a major need.
rather fix the O-Line
otherwise no RB on this will be running too far
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
this team*
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
rather not pay for a Kubiak system RB
Foster would probably suck for the Giants. He’s a product of the Denver dime a dozen RB scheme that Kubiak had with the Broncos. A first round tender? LOL.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Tight end
If not quality O-line men. That’s what I am hoping for.
Ok must QB or kicker with that jersey number.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Hahaha!!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Giants saty at #32 and mobe up in second
My hope: If the Giants trade up in the second round, they could potentially draft a combination of either Allen and Osemele OR Glenn/Konz and Fleener.
Draft I. Pead in the 3rd or 4th round. Maybe L. James if he’s available in the third.
Dont care what they do i just want to see the Back2Back superbowl now. It is half done already.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
if they move up in the 2nd
they’d not gonna have a 3rd or 4th rounder. Which is why moving up sucks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Move up?
I don’t remember a time when the Gmen has moved up or down for anyone, unless someone knows of a time. They are a stickler for keeping with the game plan and playing their board.
And i am still waiting for him to play an entire game
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I have so much hope for our secondary
Ross will walk, but TT will be back and Prince will be good. I like this defense. Someday, we wont have to deal with everyone being injured…. Someday!
by Giant Ken on Feb 18, 2012 2:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Chad Jones returning and being productive will be great too
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I have to admit
I dont really believe that we always draft BPA, with no regard whatsoever to position. Its all BS!
by Giant Ken on Feb 18, 2012 2:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
it's where Value matches need and hopefully scheme.
NO reason to draft players who aren’t fits in your system. Some can make the adjustments, some can’t…
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Yes I commented on another thread...
I look at it like here’s what we need at a position level..then look for the BPA for each..They will have their list ready and based on what’s out there at 32..they’ll decide which item on their list can be potentially be fullfilled and then pick the player that best fills that need..It is not BPA..It is a combination of BPA for a need..But of course there are always exceptions to any rule..The thing I love about JR is he knows defense is the final arbitor in winning..Once again we proved it..Defense wins championships when its all said and done..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
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