Victor Cruz Or Jeremy Lin? Who Is The Bigger Story?
by Ed Valentine on Feb 17, 2012 12:01 PM EST
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PrintHere is a question for you, New York Giants fans. What is a bigger, more incredible story -- the improbable rise to stardom of Victor Cruz with the Giants, or 'Linsanity,' the amazing story of Jeremy Lin and the New York Knicks?
Both great stories. Both guys who came virtually out of nowhere to reach heights no one could have imagined for either of them when their respective seasons started.
Cruz, of course, set the Giants single-season record for most yards received, Salsa danced his way into the hearts of New York fans -- and all the way to the Grammys -- and was a huge part of the reason the Giants won the 2012 Super Bowl.
Lin, of course, is the twice-cut Asian born point guard who has come from the end of the bench to rescue the Knicks' season and probably coach Mike D'Antoni's job. He has spawned a marketing craze and a 'Lin-guage' all his own. Plus, he's got Kim Kardashian hot on his trail.
Just a fun topic to debate on a Friday afternoon. Your thoughts?
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Cruz. That's cause I'm a Nets fan.
Screw the Knicks.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
That being said, all the respect in the world for Lin, amazing story.
still, though, I couldn’t care less for the “other” NY team. Yes, I know the Nets don’t play in New York yet and are the little brothers. Whatever.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha, die hard knicks fan here.....
I think before we make the comparison, we gotta let Lin’s season pan out. Cruz ended the season within the top 5 guys at his position – I don’t think Lin’s gonna crack that class of NBA point guards.
But I do think Lin could make even more of an impact than Cruz did just due to the nature of the sport…. the knicks have gone from being an absolutely HORRIBLE team with no roster at all, to actually having a shot at making the playoffs this year.
Obviously they’re a long way from being able to compete with good teams in a playoff series, which is another difference I guess – Lin is putting the knicks on the map and making them a half-decent team, where Cruz turned the Giants into a legit threat.
no doubt the story is better than the player. But sometimes, the story motivates the team. That's what I think.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no question
Knicks are playing with more intensity, simply because they know the entire world is watching at this point.
That, and because ‘Melo hasn’t been in there to destroy D’Antoni’s offense!
sincere question: do you actually think that's the case with melo? That he'd disrupt the flow?
In any case, I can’t wait for Dwight Howard to come to the Nets and make this a real NY rivalry once we hit up Brooklyn.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately, yes
My opinion is not welcome at all at “Posting and Toasting”, so I keep it to myself for the most part.
But I should also admit that I never, ever liked ‘Melo much as a player. I think way too many people are obsessed with his “scoring ability”… when behind almost every 30-point game he has, it’s on 11-for-29 shooting, where those 20 missed shots are just completely wasted possessions where he missed an easy assist out of a double-team, etc.
I actually think D’Antoni is a very, very good coach, but he’s been given a raw deal in NY – they took a very talented young team that could really score, and replaced it a team that doesn’t do much of anything very well. The media (and even some knick fans) will make you believe that they’re a more talented team than ATL, PHI, and some of those other teams in the 4-6 range in the East… but if they played those teams in a playoff series, I think it would be absolute carnage on the floor.
I hated Carmelo too and what they gave up for him and will always see
2/21/11 as one of the worst days in Knicks history. But the facts is the facts. Carmelo playing with a real PG is as good as Amar’e playing with a real PG. Everything flows better with the floor general.
Carmelo wasn’t the 11/29 guy when he had Andre Miller or Chauncey Billups in Denver. So there’s that.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I got you.
I think, from an outsider’s perspective, the reason D’Antoni’s getting so much flak is cause he promised better defense, and you guys brought in Tyson Chandler, and the defense is still a sieve.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
the defense has actually been much, much, much better all year
the problem’s been scoring all year until Linhotep stepped in.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't watched many Knick games, so I'll take your word for it.
I just remember before the Linsanity, that people kept bitching about defense.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Was it Antrel Rolle?
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
well played
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
there's more ignorant Knicks fans then I'll ever care to number
but I’ve watched my share of Knicks games last year and this. The defense was never as bad as made out to be. They’d play excellent defense for 24 seconds, or force a turnover, only to let up an offensive rebound or allow the steal to end up with the other team and then they score easily.
With Chandler back there, and also Jeffries and Shumpert, the defense is really, really good. When Amar’e’s there it takes a step back, but that’s OK.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha. That makes sense.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Carmelo won't be able to do that ball stopping crap now
its really hilarious to think he will. Now he can just be a scorer instead of trying to be Lebron James, something he can’t do. Now he can just be Carmelo Anthony, the best assassin in the NBA.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so........
After all the iso crap I’ve watched, I have absolutely no idea about his catch-and-shoot ability.
But if that’s something he’s good at, and they can use chandle to set up ‘Melo on some off-ball stuff and give him space to operate QUICKLY once the ball hits his hands…. then look out. You can basically erase everything I’m saying about the knicks not being able to contend.
remember Joe Johnson in Phoenix?
he’s an iso player too, but playing with Nash in Phoenix he was a catch and shoot guy, but also an iso player when need be. Isos are fine when its not all you do.
Just the fact the team’s been so good with Bill Walker playing the 3, now you put Carmelo Anthony in that same position….I’m really not sure what the problem or the question is here. This will work. The only question is how beatable it is.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I figured would happen too, Melo won't have to try to do so much.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Nets sit on bats!
LOL!! Just kidding
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
Good call
I’m a Nets fan too. But that ain’t the reason. Cruz helped the Giants win a Super Bowl. Unless Lin helps win a title, there is no comparison.
by IrishPride187 on Feb 17, 2012 5:52 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's uncanny how they compare to each other
Both went undrafted out of college in Massachusetts. Ended up buried in the depth chart on a New York team. Got their shot because of injury (Domenik Hixon/Baron Davis), and ended up taking their respective leagues by storm.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions
Davis has never played for us yet
Lin got a chance cuz Toney Douglas has been terrible, Shump is a rook and really not a point and Mike Bibby is a POS.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
My mistake. I forgot about Douglas.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
everyone does, lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
lol
I miss the days when the Knicks were tied with the Nets in record. This is terrible. As a Nets/Mets fan, the Giants were the only positive I have….Its a long ass fall down now. At least the Devils look like they may make some noise.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Of course I think the bigger surprise is Lin
First, he’s been cut (and sent to the minors) several times – this year even. Cruz was undrafted, yes – but was kept on in IR rather than waived.
And personally, if Lin helps carry the Knicks to the playoffs and beyond, I’d actually think his story matches up better with Kurt Warner more than Cruz (and this is from someone waiting for delivery on his Cruz jersey).
Warner was not drafted, and played in Arena footbal and NFL Europe, before getting a start with the Rams because of a preseason injury to Trent Green. That year, they won the SB.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
Your kidding me right?
Lin is invading football as well?
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The bigger story...
Is Lin. Cruz took the Giants fanbase by storm, but seemed to be under the radar in the rest of the NFL (at least until he smoked the Jets and Cowboys in back-to-back games). Lin has the entire basketball world captivated, from die-hard to casual fans. Hell, even people who don’t even know a thing about the pro game are being bombarded by the Linsanity coverage. Final point – The President went on record as following Lin. Whatever your political bent, it’s harder to get bigger than that.
by Giant_in_DC on Feb 17, 2012 12:12 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Cruz did it for a whole season
Lin did it for 7 games, and he’s slowing down. Do I need to say more?
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nets are lol.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
it will stop
i hope, one day, please…
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hes slowing down? how? he had 10 pts and 13 assists in 26 min in a blowout of the kings!
The 2011-2012 New York Giants are World Champions!
I don't think he's slowing down...
… he’s moving more into a pass-around point guard rather than a score-first one. I think that’s the way D’Antoni was going in the first place.
And like it was mentioned elsewhere, Lin’s making everyone around him better (sound familiar?)
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
I'd have to say its Lin...
The scary thing,
I have 50+ year old cancer research doctors here at work who probably haven’t watched a lick of basketball and I hear them yelling LINSANITY randomly throughout the day….
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 17, 2012 12:13 PM EST reply actions
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by netsareboss on Feb 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Right...
Hence bigger story.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 17, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Lin
As much as I am a huge Giant fan, the Lin story is a NATIONAL event. They are talking about this all over the world. He is on the headlines on many national newspapers.
Go Knicks Go Giants
This
Cruz was everywhere nationally (Grammies, SI parties, etc)
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
We need to come up with catchy words with "cruz" in them now...
Cruz-taceans, Cruz-tmas, Cruz-anthemums…
I give up.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I was always partial to Cruz Missile
but, phrases also work:
Cruz-ing to victory
Be-Cruz we are awesome
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
Be-Cruz...nice
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
all I want for Cruzmas ia another Giants SuperBowl
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
Cruzanity?
Victor-y?
Cruzzin’ tovictory?
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The Giants are on a "Cruz-ade" for another ring...
- because he’s good in “Cruz-ial moments”
- all we need is some “Cruz-sistency”
- and we’re “Cruz’n for a Bruiz’n of other teams”
And a remake of the classic
- “Big Blue Wrecking Cruz”
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by jcheng on Feb 17, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hahaha!!!..Very nice!....Rec'd
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
after we won the SB
before that he was just a NY thing
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
How DARE you!
LOWER CASE!!!
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
by nywins46 on Feb 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about that
they asked him to be on Dancing With The Stars long before the Super Bowl came
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
international
China
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 17, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Basketball, pffft, who cares?
Sorry, not a basketball fan, but as a sports fan in general, I can see how Lin would be quite a story.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
Lin is Linvading football...
Noooooooooooo
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When I hear about millions of Chinese and Taiwanese people are watching...
Knicks games at 8am in Asia I have to believe that Lin is now a global phenomenon. He already has a sneaker coming out and they are fitting him into All-Star weekend.
But, what do I know? We don’t follow bouncy-ball in Atlantis.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
what if Lin was a Water Polo star?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would dress as a seahorse and let him ride me until his thighs are bleeding
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
by nywins46 on Feb 17, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They gave up with the diving horse act on the Steel Pier....
And I must admit, when I first saw Lin…I thought we ‘offshored’ the NBA….What’s next?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
technically, we're offshoring the NFL moreso than the NBA.
i feel TERRIBLE for st.louis fans. The Rams will play one “home” game in London every year for the next three years. What kinda bullshit is that?
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know who gets the short end of the stick on that one...
If I was a Rams fan I might pay to have them NOT play in this country.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I wonder if its because Stan Kroenke also is a majority shareholder of the Gunners
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
aaaaaaaaaand that's a rec
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 17, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
he's as bit as Cruz is to the latino folks
there’s just 1000000X as many Chinese people and they’re farther away, so more hype. Chinese are already huge basketball fans… how many new latino football fans did Cruz create?
All the Latino football fans that Mark Sanchez drove away from football...
Cruz brought them back.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
thinking about it
Thats a reason why it is so huge. The Asian market for basketball is ginormous and is getting bigger every day. Add Lin to this and the NBA can forget any fallout they had from the lockout on a global scale.
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Cruz
Because he did it the whole year and was a huge reason why his team WON a championship. I want to see Lin do great for the Knicks and NY but let him win something first before we compare the bigger break out stars.
Lin, for now, is the bigger news because this world is “what have you done for me lately” and the Super Bowl was soooo 2 weeks ago.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions
For real...Lin has to keep this up for much longer.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
the last game he already showed how his play is here for the long haul
not as many points but a whole lot more assists.
If anyone’s actualyl watched Lin play instead of just listening to the hype, he’s not doing anything out of the ordinary, just playing really good smart ball and passing well. Its also nothing new if you saw him at Harvard.
Why he wasn’t a first round pick in the draft is just some good old fashioned racism. So the talent really was there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying that he won't do it...
The kid can play ball and I agree about the reasoning behind him not being drafted. Remember when Toby Gerhart was asked why he thinks a white running back could be successful in the NFL. I’m not saying Gerhart is great…just pointing out how scouting and drafting is effected by race.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
I agree
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Lin is the bigger story
if only for the veiled (and not so veiled) racial overtones and assertions being made by people in the sporting world.
Its Jeremy Lin.
Cruz did it for a whole season on a championship team, but his play was a huge product of having an elite QB playing with him as well as an elite WR on the other side drawing attention away from him.
Lin has Jared Jeffries as his PF and Bill Walker as his starting SF for most of these games. If you can’t fathom how terrible those two can be, its like having Jamacus Russell as your QB and DHB drawing “attention” away on the others side. If Cruz did that, lets talk.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 17, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
for real!
he’s making jeffries look legit! jeffries ISN’T BOOED anymore because of lin.
there was this story at the garden in the beginning of linsanity where people at sidecourt seats were heckling and booing jeffries. Lin gave them the serious staredown and it shut them up.
this is like fitzgerald making kolb look like not just a serviceable player, but a hall of famer.
Jeffries hasn't looked this alive at the offensive end since Indiana 12 years ago.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Lin
hes a PG and a superstar. The NBA is usually much easier to predict how a guy will translate than football. If youre not a 1st rounder youre never going to be a star. Finding Lin is the hoops equivalent of finding a franchise QB as an UDFA.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
this.
plus UDFA WRs become pretty good players much more frequently. Miles Austin and Wes Welker are two that are easy to name, Antonio Gates a superstar TE who’s basically a WR.
Its really not even close. Lin’s rise to stardom right now is much, much more incredible cuz he’s really doing it on his own.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I will say this
if he ends up dating Kardashian, he will become the BIGGER JOKE story.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions
When will the Kardashians go away?
Please make them stop!
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
When they stop being hot.
by NotThatChrisRusso on Feb 17, 2012 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I knew his fade away looked familiar!
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
saw this yesterday
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
How about this?
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
your mad with power since you discovered that photo website
you must be stopped!!
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta pump the breaks on that one...
I have a feeling that they are brainwashing me through subliminal messages.
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
Also they are very similar in this way
Lin’s biggest weakness – high turnover rate.
Cruz’s biggest weakness – drops and putting the ball on the ground.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions
I disagree...
Cruz’s biggest weakness is and always will be Eli Manning
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
true
needz cam newtons to wins the superblow
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
love the Cruz but
Linsanity has set the whole world on fire and saved what looked like another totally boring losing basketball season in the NY area.
Who's the better dancer????
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Neither
I am the best
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Come back when Lin wins a championship
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 17, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions
And even then...don't
"Everybody talks about a dynasty. OUR dynasty starts today." -Michael Strahan (before Super Bowl 42)
ha
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Just make it go away
Its basketball for cripes sake….
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 17, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions
Probably Lin
Due to race Lin is a bigger story right now. There are a large number of Asians in our country, but they are often a forgotten group. We don’t see nearly as many Asians in sports, politics, or TV as say people in the hispanic and black communities. Lin is also from Harvard rather then one of those guys that goes to college for a year only.
The NBA has been out of touch with the normal American population for years. Lin, if he keeps playing well, could help bring non basketball sports fans back to the game.
race is a myth, a folk belief
although the U.S. has not yet moved into the current mode of academic thought, the pronouncement of the scientific invalidity of race is now 14 years old.
I hope that in my lifetime, I see subscription to race mythology fall into the same status as the sun revolving around the earth.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 17, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
ok.....
That being said, my wife is Filipino that means my sons are half Filipino. There is just about nobody that looks like them in sports. I am raising them to not care, but it does make a huge difference to some people. Lin is from a segment of the population that has not been represented in the NBA, ever. That is a HUGE deal.
the idea that offspring are "half" is also a myth...
take my children… they have got to be 65% physically representations of their mother… little light-skinned, blue-eyed, straight-haired things…
The concept of “halving” our heritability goes back to “one drop” racism … which gave us terminology such as “mulatto,” “quadroon,” “octoroon.”
not trying to bust your balls. just doing my part, one person at a time, to help shed light on and dispel one of the most socially harmful myths still propagated in the world today.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 17, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
The question was...
…which was the bigger story. Everyone who is saying Cruz is a better plater, Cruz won a championship, Cruz is a better dancer – you are all 100% correct. But that doesn’t mean Lin isn’t the bigger story. Two different discussions entirely.
by Giant_in_DC on Feb 17, 2012 1:12 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd this
Great points.
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by Giantssincesix on Feb 17, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Cruz of course!!!
Cruz = whole season, very consistent, champion
Lin = 7 games, play has dropped off a bit ( wish it continues I need something to start rooting for the Knicks one mo’gain).
If Lin can propel the NYK into the playoff and beyond then perhaps. But for right now Cruz no doubt about it!
the thing about Cruz and Lin
It makes me wonder how many guys could have done great things but never got a chance. I think talent usually gets recognized, and that if a guy hangs in there long enough he’ll find a chance to shine. (I’m thinking of Wade Boggs for some reason, who, if memory serves me, was hitting great in the minor leagues but the Red Sox were reluctant to call him up because he didn’t hit for power. Eventually, his talent overcame their reluctance.) But somewhere there’s got to be a Victor Cruz who wasn’t on a team where the guy in front of him got injured so he got a real chance to prove himself, and the world will never know how good he was.
by long time listener on Feb 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions
great point
with reese in charge i feel more often than not we have a great shot at uncovering those hidden gems.
Too far...
Cruz is a champion. Lin is a fad until proven otherwise.
Cruz.
No doubt in my mind. Homegrown talent who went from a rough neighborhood kid with messed up priorities to a loving father, icon, and Superbowl CHAMPION has the gold locked up in this contest
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by Commander Prime on Feb 17, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions
I am without doubt that time will show us that Lin is nothing more than average to slightly above average player.
I got a GIF for that!
Now is the time to prepare for the "one for the thumb!"
by Fester McDougal on Feb 17, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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As to this...
“I am without doubt that time will show us that Lin is nothing more than average to slightly above average player.”
I’d argue that’s what they said about Eli at first, too.
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I got a GIF for that!
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by Fester McDougal on Feb 17, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
i am not a basketball follower so i really have no idea who lin is except that he plays for the knicks lol
i think cruz is a better story because of the area he comes from and how he fought his way off the bench and had a season like that. He invigorated this offense which was already good with manning throwing to nicks and manningham, and he made it phenomenal.
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by JasonPierrePwned on Feb 17, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions
pretty easy
it’s Lin. And it’ll always be Lin. or anyone with the roundball for that matter.
football is a team sport. you have 53 guys on a roster. in the NBA you have 12. football players wear helmets the majority of the time, so it’s hard for the casual fan to remember their face. Lin’s face is clear and present in every highlight.
Jerry Rice and Lawrence Taylor will never be as big as Michael Jordan.
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good point
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by JasonPierrePwned on Feb 17, 2012 3:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
L.T & rice dont have sneakers like jordan nothing to do with helmets maybe its because nba has
82 games & nfl has 16 but in there sports L.T,Rice & Jordan are mirror images of each other.nfl has 53 players because they need 53 players,i think CRUZ in a wwwwwaaaayyyyyyy bigger story.he has a RING!!! wich most likley dont happen without him CRUZ broke a single season record of a franchise thats been in existence since 1925 not 1946 knicks. CRUZ play divi 2 college Lin divi 1 & yes fans do love lin BUT week after week i herd 60,000 plus fans YELLING CRRRRUUUUUUZZZZZ!!!!
as he and his dance got bigger & bigger, ITS CRUZ PERIOD
by big blue born in philly on Feb 17, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
It def. has to do with their recognizability
and let’s face facts, NFL players don’t have there face out for 2.5 to 3 hours like basketball or baseball players. plus it’s many more players to pay attention to on the gridiron. those things count towards fame. why do you think Jordan got the sneakers? maybe because he was on the most Wheaties boxes, and SI covers?
Don’t also discount the effect his Asian heritage has on his popularity. Remember, when Yao Ming took the NBA by storm, he easily had the most fan votes when the ballots were tallied. Single season records are nice, and rings are great, but none of that matters to Sara White, a 59 year old retiree, who happens to see this sweet little God fearing Asian kid when she turns on Good Morning America, and likes it when people use Lin instead of in, or win. Those things count, and that’s why Lin is America’s sweetheart. Even if it doesn’t sustain itself, the momentum is there.
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Hands down
Lin is a bigger story. It’s not unheard for players to come out of no where and star in the NFL but it almost never happens in the NBA.
by NotThatChrisRusso on Feb 17, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ok how about this
Jeremy is the bigger story, but Cruz had better accomplishments
Meaning Lin is a bigger story cuz he’s overhyped
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Lin is a great story
But ESPN is has beaten that dog to death, and I’m indifferent now. I guess with the football season over, they needed someone to replace Tebow.
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by pataroons on Feb 17, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They already made a Top 10 Lin plays
and put him in the MVP discussion talks…
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It’s Jeremy Lin. I’ve always said that when the Knicks are good, the entire city is abuzz. People call NYC a baseball town but the only time that’s true is for a big series or the playoffs. When the Knicks are playing well, it could be by the Grizzlies and it’d be a hot ticket.
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Since football ended,
yes, now Lin is the bigger story. But you didn’t hear a pip out of him when Cruz was salsa dancing in Indy, now did you?
It’s probably true that Lin is the bigger story. Good for him, and the Knicks. Hope he’s not just a flash in the pan. But either way, I’m a Nets fan.
"The elite debate will probably go on forever. But tonight I’m a Super Bowl Champion, and that’s the only title that truly matters." - Eli Manning
For serious?
You didn’t hear a pip from him because he was warming up the bench when we won the Superbowl. He was a nobody. And that’s why this is such a huge story, the guy was about to be cut from his 3rd team and now he’s known around the world. He transcends the game ( You could attribute that to his race, but still), which Cruz never did. And he happens to be a pretty damn good PG too, it’s not like he’s hitting circus shots or doing anything that isn’t repeatable. Cruz also had a surrounding cast of Eli, Nicks and Manningham. He starting being great when defenses were focusing on other receivers. Lin’s options at the SF and PF positions were Jared Jeffries and Bill Walker. With Carmelo coming back and JR Smith getting signed, he’s going to get even better .
He’s been thrust into the spotlight of MSG and New York and has handled it with ease. Cruz is very good, and I was jumping around like the rest of you when he caught that TD in the Superbowl, but Lin is most definitely the biggest story.
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Agreed, I think Lin will get better
but last night’s game took the wind right out of the Linsanity balloon. He was defended well (which will start to happen more frequently until D’Antoni makes adjustments to the offensive schemes.) Turnovers have to be closer to 4 than 9 on his part He and a few others the Knicks have got to reverse this awful FT shooting trend that has been occurring at the same time that everyone has been focused on the Lin story. They win last night if the FT shooting is at a more reasonable percentage.
Cruz and Lin are similar stories. I can’t say that either story is a better one. They are both talented players who went undiscovered, Both were on the verge of disappearing off the radar screen when they started to successfully do what they were being asked to do. They are exciting and great when they are on, great entertainment, rouse fan intrest and in my opinion they both will have long and productive careers if they remain focused. The question might be better asnwered after the facts. When both men are at the end of their careers which I hope will be a long time from now.
J Lin- the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching
Giants won another Superbowl. Ho hum, another day at the office.
the Lin/tebow sh*t has to be put to bed
No comparison there at all.
J Lin- the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching
Giants won another Superbowl. Ho hum, another day at the office.
Cruz because i am at a Giants site and he is a Giants player
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
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The vote is in..Cruz Missile….
This Lin jazz will fade fast..He was awful the last game..stick a fork in him..he’s flaming out.
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