2012 NFL Draft Prospect Profiles: Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina
by Ed Valentine on Feb 16, 2012 10:00 AM EST
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PrintLet's switch gears to the defensive side of the ball today aas we continue our 2012 NFL Draft Prospect Profiles series and talk about our first linebacker. Draft Tek's latest DRAFTSIM has North Carolina outside linebacker Zach Brown going to the Giants with the 32nd pick of the first round, so let's talk about Brown.
It seems Giants fans have been clamoring for a linebacker to be taken in the first round for years. Is Brown the right guy? Let's look a little closer.
Brown is a 6-foot-2, 230-pound weakside linebacker, or WILL in current parlance. The National Football Post ranks Brown 38th on its prospect list -- fifth among outside linebackers in this year's draft class. NFL Network's Mike Mayock does not currently list Brown among his top five outside linebackers.
NFP's Wes Bunting has this to say about Brown:
"A run and hit guy with impressive athleticism and range. Possesses solid instincts and is a better read-and-react linebacker than given credit for, but still not elite in that area. Nevertheless, looks like a starting caliber 43 weak side guy who would be ideal in a cover two scheme."
In a brief scan of some YouTube clips of Brown he looks like a quality cover guy with some speed and sideline-to-sideline type range.
Draft Tek's Giants analyst Bill Bliss had this to say in his reaction to the DRAFTSIM's selection of Brown for the Giants:
"He's noted for rare athleticism - fluid movement, quick burst, and excellent change of direction skills. That just might be the skill set needed to compete with the new breed of NFL tight ends. Brown would likely come in as a WILL backer, backing up Michael Boley, who has 2 years left on his deal. Given that, is he worth a first round pick? DT Fletcher Cox, T Bobby Massie, and CB Stephon Gilmore are still on the board. Cox is a better value, and T and CB may be bigger positions of need than WILL LB. Drafting Brown wouldn't be a bad thing, but NYG may be better served with Cox or Gilmore at this spot."
I am not sure I agree with Bliss about cornerback, and I have yet to study the other players he mentioned. I do, however, think he has a valid point regarding the WILL linebacker spot. Remember, the Giants also have Jacquian Williams. So, unless the feeling is that you need to stockpile this type of linebacker in today's NFL, might the drafting of a guy like Brown this early be considered overkill?
Of course, if they think he is the best player available, a little thing like having other players at a given position never stopped Jerry Reese and the Giants from taking a guy before.
Zach Brown Profile
Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 230 pounds
2011 Stats: 105 tackles, 5.5 sacks, three interceptions, three forced fumbles, seven passes defended
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He's noted for rare athleticism
Therefore, I’m gonna guess he is high on Reese’s list.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
How many back flips can he do?
That’s all I care about.
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I'd agree if it was JR that said it
Eli is our King!
Brown is just stupidly athletic
And in NC’s bowl game, he was the only one who gave a damn. I like both of these things. Brown holds the 60yrd record for his entire school, not just the football team, and is expected to run a 4.35. Yeah.
From what I’ve seen he isn’t much of a tackler, and his instincts are a bit suspect.
However, I think he’ll be the iggles 1st round pick. They need a LBzer even worse than we do, and he fits their team concept.
I’ve seen a LOT of people mocking Kuechly to the iggles, but he doesn’t really fit (not stupidly athletic, great football mind, and not a reach).
If he’s there, and JR takes him, great, but it’d be a tad redundant to have Boley, JWill, and Brown.
wow 4.35 is insane, i wish jacquain williams and zach brown could just play opposite of each other at WILL and SAM, but its not going to happen
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by NewYork! on Feb 16, 2012 7:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I just don't think we need a LBer in the 1st
I know BPA and all that but at some point we are gonna have to address this Oline. So my question is when does need collide with BPA?
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
Is that like crossing the streams?
I agree with you though, at some point need and BPA should meet and have a drink.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
Exactly.
When does need collide with BPA. The draft will unfold and that will determine who we pick.
And I’m with you, I always love picking Olineman, early and often. They are not sexy picks, they are foundation picks. Can’t build a great house without a strong foundation. Now I realize JR has been drafting Olinemen every year (Beatty, Petrus, Brewer), and added Baas, but I would love to see another strong interior lineman picked.
We have our LT, and by speculation we have our RT in Brewer. If an Olineman matches BPA and need early, I would rather see one from the interior.
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it has happened in the past
regardless of what you’ve heard, Nicks in my mind was a NEED pick.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I agree, and he looks like a "Best Player" kida guy to boot!
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Didn't we trade up pick for that one?
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
nope, it was our spot
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by NewYork! on Feb 16, 2012 7:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ok
i do remember that in one draft we traded and picked a WR (in 2nd round i think).
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
i think your talking about ramses barden and that was the third round
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by NewYork! on Feb 16, 2012 8:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hmmmmmmm..Another LB from North Carolina????
I seem to recall a LB we got from there…LT…whew !!!!
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one huge difference
LT was the 2nd pick of the draft. Thank you Bum Phillips for selecting George Rogers.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
Rogers was Rookie of the Year, Led the League in Rushing
So he was far from a bust, and at the time Tom Cousineau and Tommy Nobis were the only LBZ ever taken #1 overall. in league history.
Considering we’re taking about the Saints…..I think everyone would have been shocked if they hadn’t taken Rogers.
Sure worked out great for us.
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by roguetrader on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He was aight, whan't he. :-)
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NC has been good to us
Nicks….. Austin, keep em coming.
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Agree with Bliss about CB
I do agree Cornerback is a big need depending on what they do in free agency. If They lose Thomas/and Or Ross and Tyron Their depth is seriously suspect.
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by Jesse Bartolis on Feb 16, 2012 10:15 AM EST reply actions
JR loves his corners.
And we do need depth. Just taking into account the health and recovery of our corners I am sure he will pick at least one.
And where and how many will, obviously, will be determined by if TT and/or Ross are here.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
As for the secondary players, he will re-sign the ones we already have and try to load one or two from the draft.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
This draft is balls deep in quality CBs.
We’ll certainly have good ones fall to us in both the 1st or the 2nd. Depending on how we rank ‘em, I wouldn’t be surprised if we pulled the trigger in either of the first two rounds
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm ok with one in the first or second, BPA provided.
I’ll defer to your knowledge on college prospects, but I like hearing that there are is alot of quality at that p[osition.
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loosing players via Free agency
Seems that we are somewhat obsessed about loosing player via free agency, and then having to reload via the draft. Why do we seem to find ourselves in this position, compared to NO, NE, or Green Bay. Yes, I know they are in position to loose a few players, but I don’t think CB is a position of need right now neither is DT, or DE. The OL, TE, and dare I say LB are areas of weakness, right now on the team in that order. If reese is doing things right, I am sure he is then he has a list of players that would be athletic, a value, and fill a need. I am sorry to say but I am not sure that the rookie LBs have convinced me.
by Exiled in Missouri on Feb 16, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I agree 100%
I think it is a fair criticism of Reese. We are always in a bad spot with regards to the cap. The other teams, particularly those with great qbs, always seem to keep their free agents on offense. We need to provide Eli with some continuity on offense.
by Giant Ken on Feb 16, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only real FA on offense is Mham though
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
This year, that is correct
But we also lost guys last year and have not had the same receiving core for any consistent length of time.
by Giant Ken on Feb 16, 2012 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Somehow we still manage to keep rolling on despite the new faces. Kudos to Eli.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
name a player on GB or NO or NE that was actually up for free agency recently
they haven’t had to do it yet. Plus they all have a lot of weapons so it keeps numbers down, especially NO.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
+1
it’s cyclical. When all the good young players on GB have a few years and are looking for a pay day they’ll have the same problem.
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I couldn't disagree more
Many teams are in bad spots with the cap especially teams with franchise QBs. Franchise QBs eat a big chunk of the cap. It’s impossible to keep every player. There’s not enough cap space.
Reese took lots of criticism. He proved all those wrong. He didn’t bite. He didn’t over pay for Boss, Smith and Bradshaw.
Fans speculate when it comes to the cap and free agents.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
every season
players are going to become free agents. It’s the nature of the business.
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This the problem with February mock drafts
“Need” can look completely different in April.
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by roguetrader on Feb 16, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Feb mock drafts are similar to training camp superbowl champs like Eagles
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
If we draft him, it would mean we are phasing Michael Boley out in the next couple years.
Also why we could (should) draft him:
1) The NFL is changing. Thumpers are a lost breed of linebacker now. The new evolution is the hyperathletic, WILL-esque ’backer with good instincts and even better coverage skills. Brown fits this mold perfectly.
2) We are a cover 2 team, like it or not. Yes, we may change our defense with a new DC in coming years, but the more athletic you are, the easier it is to make a transition
3) He’s perfect for the big nickel. Imagine having Jacquian Williams, Chad Jones/Tyler Sash, Zach Brown as our “linebackers”. With our monster of a DL, they could play the run somewhat well, but more importantly would be the key counterattack to these ultra-athletic TEs that are popping up everywhere
This dude is a linebacker that can potentially run a 4.4. Yeah, he’ll be on Jerry Reese’s radar.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good point BBI
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I was thinking along the similar lines...
This guys has an amazing first step and can keep up his speed sideline to sideline and end-zone to end-zone. Not many people are going to our run him.
He also played some TE in NC.
My only worry is he needs to build some more strength to solidify himself as a starter.
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by Giantssincesix on Feb 16, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
For sure. He DID run an unofficial 4.28 40 in 2009. Hopefully he's retained some of that.
He has the frame to add some bulk. His game tape shows good, but not elite instincts…but as an OLB, I don’t think that should be too much of a downside. I’ve heard some people say he could fit with us as an ILB. I’m not sure about that but who knows.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
He could play ILB for us
because in our scheme he would drop back into coverage a lot in the sort of Brian Urlacher mold
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
I suppose. Though his instincts leave much to be desired.
He doesn’t diagnose plays very well, and his tackling technique is also suspect. It could work though, I dunno
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wind aided, slow clock, blind man at end
holy shit….4.28 is what Chris Johnson runs. I believe that is the fastest time EVER recorded(cannot remember Deions though)
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Nah, CJ ran a 4.24. Still, though....for a LB, anything in the 4.4 area is freak status
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Don't the G-Men
already have an extremely athletic LB, named J. Williams? I wouldn’t use a 1st round pick here.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
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by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Also fits the size/speed/character/school requirement that Reese has.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Not a bad idea for a pick
Seeing as how TE’s are becoming faster and creating mismatches, I think drafting Brown isn’t a bad idea. He can keep up with TE’s like Graham and Gronk in coverage.
BTW, in a completely unrelated note, why was Bobby Massie mentioned as a 1st round choice for the Giants in this article? I see him as a 2nd or top of the 3rd round pick.
by IrishPride187 on Feb 16, 2012 8:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Massie is solid, I wouldn't touch him before the 2nd round though
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I like Massie and the Washington kid from Miami as RT and LG, respectfully. Those two would help the running game and bring youth to a O-Line that needs it.
by IrishPride187 on Feb 17, 2012 5:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If we go athletic LB in the first, it will be Burfict if available
We already have a Zach brown type in Jacquian Williams who will take over for Boley in the future.
Funny when i hear people complain about Burfict’s attitude then speak highly of Brown, LOL, trust me they both have character issues that will need to be ironed out in their one on one meetings.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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We disagree again lol
Mike Mayock on a conference call basically echoed all the problems I had with Burfict.
Ignoring the fact that he had 17 personal fouls in 26, Burfict can’t even bench 225 15 times. He cannot be a SAM as originally thought. This is also ignoring the fact that he also had multiple work ethic issues, including fighting with coaches, punching teammates, dogging it in practices.
He got benched for his poor play. He didn’t call out plays, and struggled when the ’backer that did make the adjustments left takes him out of MIKE consideration as well. He has zero tackling technique, just throwing himself like a missile, and has no sense of gap discipline. Mayock called him “just an unimpressive player”
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Put the character issues aside. Burfict is NOT a football player.
The angles that he tackles, his tackling, and ability to take on blocks are not impressive.
Hence, another reason why I don't put much credence to McShay and Kiper who still have Burfict on their Big Boards.
As a matter of fact, i don’t take “expert” too seriously if they have Burfict as a top-50 and have him as one of the top-5 ILB.
Considering his junior season and character concerns, he’s not someone I want.
Here is my take
Weight room strength has never been a direct translation to actual on field strength and you know that BBI, he stacks and sheds better than most LB’s in this draft period.
Also Burfict has long arms so benching will not ever show how strong he really is. As for the fouls, please please go watch them 85% percent of the calls were BS and he was being targeted and got upset. His coaches also said they regret reigning him in becuase it took the bite out of his play. He is an extreme competitior and thats what makes him act like that.
He got benched because he was being too damn cautious and trying not to upset anyone and that made his play decline.
the zero technique thing is not true but he needs to improve there, no doubt about it and he has good gap discipline but that needs work as well, there is tape on it, he is impressive. Mayock is someone i totally respect but he is not the holy grail, he misses on alot of players, i more so look at him for DB and WR evaluations, he’s missed on a bunch of front seven players in the past. Mayock called him unimpressive yet has him ranked in his top 5 backers lol.
The ultimate thing about Burfict is the type of team and veterans he will be around. No way in hell he comes to the Giants and doesnt get his act together, not around our leaders not to mention he will not be starting so he will have to earn it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Based on the gametape that I've seen, still disagree. So I suppose agree to disagree.
Just way too many red flags for him to be a viable prospect for us in the first two rounds. There’s plenty of examples where he plays undisciplined and gets penalized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BwZEdqHV7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W0CyXQp_uE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_jDyvvg4MY&feature=related
Even if he does get targeted, it’ll only get worse in the NFL. The Giants can’t even get Rolle to shut up. I also think you are defending him a bit too much, Gates. C’mon, his tape clearly shows that he has problems wrapping up and goes for the big hit. All he does is run up trying to shoot gaps and launch himself. He’s decent at shedding blocks, nothing more.
He was a good player in 2010, but he was crap in 2011. If he needs to “reign” himself in to play disciplined football, I don’t want us anywhere near him before the 3rd round at least. There are WAY better prospects than him available in the first.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I suspect he makes it to the 3rd
Character franchises in super bowl, expect copycats to pass on guys like Burfict
Similar to MM in 08
Eli is our King!
I disagree.
With Manningham, despite the character concerns, you still had on-field production. With Burfict, the on-field production is lacking, to say the least. And that’s being generous.
Oh no the agree and disagree ping pong again but it is all good. ALL IN
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I have no horse here
but that first call was bull, and I’m not even sure what happened in the second.
The third one was really dumb though
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how was the first call bull? The dude was clearly out. Regardless of whether Burfict realized it or not
he drove him out of bounds than drove him to the ground. Its still grounds for a PI call, and even if it were controversial, why make plays like that in the first place?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
For sure
If that play happened against the Gmen and we didn’t get the call we would all be crying foul!
agreed. I want someone who plays hard and aggressive, but not stupid.
It’s a fine line.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes that line isnt defined until they reach the pros.
You can get away with playing aggresive and stupid in college.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
You can get away with it, but it doesn't make you a first round pick.
People compare Taze with Suh. There’s no comparison. Suh didn’t play dirty in college. He wasn’t psycho and didn’t rack up personal fouls. He was also dominant and took over games. Burfict has done none of that.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I love Psycho backers with attitude and big time character concerns
Sound familiar as a Giant fan? lol……. I just think Burfict would have no choice but to conform to the Giants way and his love of the game would make him.
Your right though, no comparison to Suh for real.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I love them, but with the rules as they are....if the only time you are going to be effective
is when you go asswipe mode, there’s no point in you starting.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
He stepped back inside
He was insides the line when he was tackling him. He stepped out before, but I don’t see how he could have seen that
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
"Luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck." -Don Shula
"You just don't throw on Chase Blackburn.''
Yea maybe i am defending him too much
But i still think the atmosphere he is brought into will determine what happens to him.
I also think this draft has backers all through it…… i really dont want Burfict or Brown who also has caracter concerns as well, not like Burfict but its still there.
I would much rather Nigel Bradham in the 3rd round.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I haven't heard about any character concerns for Brown. If you have a link, it'd be cool.
I’m down on this LB class as well. Bradham works. I like Ronnell Lewis and Keenan Robinson as mid rounders as well.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
your down on every LB class
along with rors44
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
really? Were you not here last year?
I was beating the drum for Akeem Ayers, an LB….ALL YEAR last year. Rorschach led the Mike Pouncey wagon, I led the Akeem Ayers wagon. I wrote two massive fanposts on getting him in the first:
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/4/10/2101006/the-tampa-2-and-why-the-ny-giants-need-lbzez
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/4/8/2098846/my-slightly-impassioned-argument-for-akeem-ayers
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I really liked Akeem as well
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I still do, and he's showing a ton of promise.
This guy ran a 4.65 at 6’2 260lbs.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Im not big on LB 40 times as you can tell by me
A few years ago saying i felt Spikes was a 1st round backer without a doubt and would be a better pro than McClain…something i still stand by.
But Ayers is a beast, i felt his stock dropped unfairly approaching the draft.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
It definitely did, and he's doing well in Tennessee.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
TN has a very young and exciting LB core quietly
The Mike from the U, McCarthy has really come on and actually replaced Ruud.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yeah. He's doing really really well too.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
keep the name out your mouth
I think this LBeazus claass is excellent, as was the one last year. As to whether we actually need one…..
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Im trying to pull it up
But it was an interview with Bruce Carter in which he said Brown has all the talent in the world but he has to get his head on straight. It was a shock to me becuse i didnt even know he has character issues.
I think they said he was immature and didnt want to put the work in all the time but sometimes that can be overblown, but for Bruce Carter to say it raised a red flag for me.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Here you go BBI, i couldnt link it for some reason but you can google it and its on walter football
Zach Brown Will Face Maturity Issues
Published Dec. 30, 2011
By Charlie Campbell – @draftcampbellNorth Carolina outside linebacker Zach Brown is going to face some scrutiny for his mental and behavioral makeup during the draft process, per sources in the scouting community. Brown is an elite athlete that had an excellent senior season on the field. However, his off-the-field personality is going to get a tough examination as he has earned the reputation for being immature.
Brown was suspended from playing anything but special teams in North Carolina’s game against Georgia Tech this season. Brown had violated team rules, and he was greatly missed against the Yellow Jackets’ option ground game.
WalterFootball.com caught up with former teammate and current Cowboy linebacker Bruce Carter to get some insight into Brown. Carter didn’t pull any punches and hinted that Brown needs to have the proper focus.
“I tried to help speak to him to help him be a lot more mature,” said Carter. “He and Kevin [Riddick] had pretty big roles as underclassmen, so I tried to speed them up and get them more mature and on the right path.”
Carter made it clear that he didn’t think that Brown was a bad guy, but reading between the lines, it sounds like Brown needs to get more focused and become more professional for the NFL.
“He’s a good guy. As long as he keeps his head straight he’ll be a good player,” said Carter. “He’s a terrific athlete. He just has to keep his head straight.”
Carter did believe that Brown could play quickly in the NFL.
“The hardest part is just learning different systems and stuff like that, but as far as a skill set, I know he can do it,” said Carter.
Whoever drafts Brown has to be confident that he is mature enough to handle a big-money NFL contract. It is definitely clear the Brown has the talent to be a special player, but as Carter said, Brown needs to have his head straight. Maturity concerns could put into question Brown’s status as a first-round pick with some teams in the 2012 NFL Draft.
Brown totaled 91 tackles with 11.5 tackles for a loss, 5.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, four passes broken up and two interceptions this season.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Thanks. Didn't know that.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.... me neither
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I wonder what LTs report would look like....Had it been available back then...
This guys the real deal…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LT retired and then we retired his jersey number 56.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
All in all, i could be wrong BBI
But i see a raw athletic freak who can stand to see his potential reached if our coaching staff had some time with him.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
That's the kid
from Arizona State right?
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
What were his issues?
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty.
No tackling technique.
Issues with gap discipline and coverage.
17 Personal Fouls in 26 games.
Not much upper body strength.
Benched for poor play.
Fights with teammates.
Fights with coaches.
Dogs it in practice.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
im back
missed me?
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
Haha.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I say next!
Thanks for the info. I saw him once, another game he was suspended?
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Benched.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
he hit too hard
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
hit too stupid
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
not much upper body strength
really?
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
are you kidding
New York Giants 2011 NFL Champions!!
My apologies to Jerry Reese
He can't do 15 reps of 225.
That’s upper body strength, he don’t got it.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
who cares
thats long term strength. he needs explosive strength, to blow the OL off the LoS
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
which he didn't do very often.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
your gonna hate anything Vontaze does
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
lol
there is a youtube video of him pancaking a Lineman…
I like the “kill” in this kid… He is a player, even his teammates will be afraid of.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
but hey
if he doesnt do 15 reps of 225, then he must be garbage
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
yup, clearly that's the only reason.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
No, I already stated that he played well (if undisciplined) in 2010.
He was a first rounder if he was in last year’s draft, despite all the character issues and personal fouls.
Now all this stuff about him being a dbag came out, plus the fact that he objectively sucked this year, as well as the fact that he got benched for poor play makes him a bad prospect.
He plays ridiculously selfish and I can’t see anything about him that warrants being even near a 1st round pick. The only thing that he’s got going for him is the fact that he plays angry. But even that comes with the caveat that he gets personal fouls like its nobody’s business. Over here, we kill somebody who gets a freaking offsides.
I also highly doubt that we’ll be able to “reign” him in. Coughlin doesn’t stand for that shit, and he’s more likely to bench him than talk to him. Antrel Rolle has free reign to talk bullshit any time he wants, you don’t hear anybody doing anything about it.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
do you hate Lamar Woodley too?
New York Giants 2011 NFL Champions!!
My apologies to Jerry Reese
not Woodley
James Harrison
New York Giants 2011 NFL Champions!!
My apologies to Jerry Reese
Hasnt exactly helped the
Team by getting suspended, has he? Tell me…what about burfict to you screams first rounder?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
hey look
I dont hold anything against the guy. If you do, then we will never ever agree. I love that kind of hard nose old time play. Eff Roger Goddell
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My apologies to Jerry Reese
I dont mind hard nosed
Play as long as its within the rules. We can hate goodell all we want but the rules ain’t changin
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If fans make a lot of fuss over some rules then some of the rules might get changed.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Hell they ought to go ahead and draft me
I can put 225 up at least 25 or 30 times….I might have some problems with the other measurables though. 5’8" 220——48 yrs old etc…….
Let's get you a tryout
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
Yes we can still hire him to harass fireman ed. lol
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Oh God no. I hope not Burfict
First and foremost, his senior season was APALLING to say the least. That’s being generous.
A lot of people bring up the character issues and it’s well warranted.
But I put those issues aside and tried to answer this question: Is Burfict a quality football player? The clear answer is a resounding NO.
The angles that he takes when try to tackle the ball carrier is atrocious. It really is bad. He missed a lot of tackles.
Another problem with Burfict is his ability to shed blocks. On top of that, when lineman get their hands on Burfict, you see him get pushed back.
This season he looked so slow and lacked the explosion and athleticism that he was known for.
The character issues aside, if Burfict was a good player, then I would consider him. But combine his character issues with his porous play and you have a player on the black list.
Also, when I tried to watch some ASU games this season, and I didn’t see #7 on the field. I was appalled, until I found out he was benched.
Damn you SBN. Here's what I meant to write.
A lot of people bring up the character issues as a big red flag and they’re well warranted.
However, when I looked at him this season, I put those concerns aside and tried to answer this question: Is Bufict a football player? And the answer is a resounding NO.
The angles that he takes is absolutely apalling. He misses so many tackles. I’m not sure whether it’s him trying to go for the big hit or poor fundamentals, or a combination of both. But nevertheless, it’s bad. Ball carriers that should be stopped for a couple yard gain burst through for extra yardage due to the missed tackle.
Another problem with him is his ability to shed blocks. He’s not what you want your MIKE to be when it comes to engaging blocks. He has trouble taking them on and often gets pushed back by lineman.
This season, he really lacked explosiveness and athleticism that was his trademark. It was very apparent how slow he looked in games.
Later on in the season, I tried to catch some ASU games. But #7 was nowhere to be found. I was appalled at this fact, until I learned of his benching.
Nevertheless, even if you put the character issues aside, you can’t even justify Burfict strictly as a football player.
Burfict has the intelligence of a plastic bottle
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking one of those plastic bottle rockets
You know, the ones you fill with water and charge with a bicycle pump? Looks kinda cool to somebody who knows nothing about rocketry, but also makes a mess of everything. Also isn’t much of a rocket, all things considered.
To all the Burfict commentary..He just plain sucks...
Let the Philadephia Sandhill Cranes pick him..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I hope so.
I hope they waste a high draft pick on him.
Whoever gets him (please Tebow, don't let it be the Giants)
might as well write “Pay To The Order Of: Roger Goodell” on his rookie pay check, because that’s where the whole damn thing is going.
Trust me this is coming from someone who lives in Phoenix area, AVOID Burfict like the plague.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I don't think
its easy to say
We already have a Zach brown type in Jacquian Williams
Zach brown displays the speed and first step that is very rare in most defensive players. He isn’t just good at it, he is amazing at it. There have been some comparisons of his first step being better then Von Millers.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 16, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
The other thing about Brown is he went to North Carolina..They don't graduate dopes..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
They certainly don't. #56 says it all.
Same thing when it comes to basketball too. You can debate which collegiate program (UNC or Duke) is better, but when it comes to the pro level, UNC players outshine Duke players in the NBA.
That is correct..Duke has a very competitive Basketball program every year...
But rarely do they make to the NBA…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I think it's important to note the history of collegiate programs and their success in the NFL
That’s why I would hesitate taking a FSU defensive end or LSU defensive lineman (Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson).
It’s not the end all, be all.but I think it should certainly be a factor.
We gave up number one pick on him in the following year's draft when we got him in the supplemental draft.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Yes very impressive but the skill set is the same as Williams
Which one is more polished and a better player right now?? that would probably be Brown but i know Williams has shown the ability to cover at the highest level already.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Burfict is a mess...
Seems like there are descent/talented LBs from Utah State and NC State that would drop to 2nd or 3rd. Really hate everything I am hearing about Burfict. I again would focus on OL/TE, though I think that LB is still a need. I just hate those nothing RBs hitting the DB level all the time. Not to mention the opposing TE ends running wild!
by Exiled in Missouri on Feb 16, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
E L BEAZUS!!!
I thought Brown would be a solid pick since last summer. He’s a lot like Bruce Carter was for UNC, except he’s a whole lot better in coverage.
He doesn’t fill a need, Williams and Boley are just fine as the 2 nickel LBeavis. Is it BPA? I dunno, the positional value is next to nothing and obviously given that Williams seems that he’s gonna be a baller, you can find this position not only in the 6th round but out of nowhere.
Just the fact JR found Jacquain Williams tells me that Zach Brown has no chance of being drafted by the Giants. 4.4, 4.3, 3.2…doesn’t matter. He’s an LBeezer. Draft a pass rusher, maybe after we win another SB in the next few years teams will start copying us and people will stop poking fun at the pass rusher stuff. It works, its in the pudding.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah, there's a host of players I'd take before him, but he's one of those guys
where if we took him, I’ll be alright with it. His instincts are nothing special, but he does fit the JR mold, outside of positional value.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
and positional value is something we look at above most all
and he’s not a DE, a CB or a WR. You either get after the QB, defend all his weapons, or give the QB weapons.
Zach Brown does cover TEs better then anyone in this draft tho.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly am not sure how much stock we put in positional value outside of pass rushers.
I think the past 3 years or so, with Nicks, JPP, and Prince….JPP and Prince were so high in value, that they could have been LBzez I would think, and that the value would just be there. Who knows though. I do remember we sent an entire host of scouts, along with JR to McClain’s pro-day, so we were at least considering it. And we were interested in Solder according to various reports….so we’ll see.
I think just because of the athleticism and the fact that he can cover TEs….he’ll be on the radar. How much so, we don’t really know I guess.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
i feel like we have quality lbs on the roster that can compete right now
and hopefully with goff coming back healthy, and all the younger guys improving, it’s now a crucial area of need. i see reese picking up a mlb prospect/s in the 4th round and later.
Well we did compete
so although standing pat is not an option, we do not need to get crazy
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
the Giants like size.
JPP is gigantic. Amukamara is built like a LBeezer, Hakeem a TE. Nate Solder’s 9ft tall and McClain’s a real big dude too (as compared to Sean Weatherspoon…) Kenny Phillips is listed at 6"2, but he basically stands eye to eye with Strahan at the podium.
Maybe that’s the answer. Coby Fleener’s 6"6 and Allen’s 6"3. Mark Barron is 6"2 220. Who the big, bad athlete at the position.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
hakeem Nicks = Tyron Smith?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you think I want Cordy Glenn so bad?
:)
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Glenn has the largest rack
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I told you already....what's gonna happen when Trent Cole's face gets pushed into that bosom?
he ain’t gonna want to pass rush anymore. Its a win.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Glenn could just absorb Cole
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
That's true.
it would be awesome.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I thought
It’s whoever is on Sports Science!
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Feb 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Nicks
was a need pick, really that simple. I know everybody falls in love with BPA thought
process, but it is GM speak for the most part, for all GM’s, not just JR.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it was a need pick and did we not trade up for that one?
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I don't believe so?
Late first round.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Actually it was Barden that we may have traded up/down picks.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Yep
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 18, 2012 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
Know-it-all alert
Somebody give a quick, simple rundown on what distinguishes the attributes and skill sets of a Will, Mike, and Sam.
Typical height/weight, also, and the degree of difficulty in getting a guy seemingly suited for one spot to play another.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions
left and right testicle
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
do those stay on the same side forever, or can they switch around?
also, BLOCKING TIGHT END
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno what you do with yours
but I like to keep mine where they’re at.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
i like to take a picture with them next to passed out people's faces
when are we going to get drunk?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
you're a teabagger too?
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Eh
WILL:
230-240 lbs ideal weight
Most athletic – fast
Best in coverage, usually smallest LB
Converted safeties probably would find it easiest to be a WILL. Example would be JWill, Boley
MIKE:
240-250 lbs ideal weight
Two types – Tampa 2 would be more like a WILL (lighter, faster, +coverage) or Thumper (bigger, stronger, +run support)
Best ones are good in both; Instincts and Intelligence are THE most important quality of a MIKE
Examples of great MIKEs – Urlacher, Patrick Willis, Jon Beason
SAM:
245 lbs + ideal weight
Usually the best at run support and blitzing, poorest in coverage
Heavier, and bigger hitters
Lot of similarities between 3-4 OLBs and 4-3 SAMs, with SAMs having a little more responsibility in coverage.
Kiwi makes sense then, as our SAM. Von Miller is another good one.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Depends on scheme to be honest.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Just describing a base 4-3.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I know
But there are different 4-3 schemes, just look at ours and compare it to Denver then compare both to the Vikes ot Indy. All 43’s but very very very different.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
yeah, this was just a general overview. Way too much time to describe everything
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Im with you
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Kiwi
should shed a little weight I believe….Say 257, not stay at 270.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
He's not 270... he is about 260 or 255 i think
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
To keep Eli in one piece,
the Giants must first rebuild their O-line. I believe that the first two picks should be offensive linemen — after the first 15 picks, it is difficult to determine who is the best athlete. Besides, the Giants have some injured linebackers coming back and their current LBs played well during the last part of the season, the playoffs and the Super Bowl.
this isn't going to happen
I’m all for hoping the BPA in round 1 is an OL. But realistically, will that person even start?
The Giants starting OL for 2012 looks to be:
Beatty — Boothe/Diehl — Baas — Snee — ? / Brewer
with Petrus waiting in the wings. It IS possible that they could get a week 1 starter at RT so late, but that could be an indictment of Brewer. Ideally we get Cordy Glenn, which makes the eventual departure of Snee or Diehl more dealable.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Not Brewer. Never liked him as a prospect from college.
This is one of the rare JR picks that I didn’t like. I don’t think he’ll amount to more than a back-up.
Same thing with Barden too. Too many people got caught up with the Burress syndrome, aka a wide receiver that’s 6’5".
Look at Clarence Moore and James Hardy. They’re both out of the league. When all is said and done, he won’t be what many fans will expect. And JR will inevitably hold on to Barden too long, as he did with Moss.
well, I'm going to hold judgment on Brewer.
They knew he was gonna be a redshirt when they drafted him. I hope he has learned enough to be in a position to compete. Physically, he has the measurables.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Me too..the jury is still out on Brewer...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
So can't be judgmental with jury still out? right?
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I got caught up on Barden
considering he broke all of Jerry Rices collegiate records.. has nothing to do with Burress.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
I think Barden will have an impact this season..If you look at him..
For the few looks he got he did a pretty good job…..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Barden might be the one to blossom this coming year. This seems to be how it is working our for us in WRs. Every year we develop a star.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Barden started his own hype machine
His first summer camp at Albany was nothing short of spectacular. The guy can move, was running routes well, showed great leaping ability, and caught everything that was thrown his way.
It was easy to start drooling over him. Unfortunately injuries and lack of opportunities have placed him on the back burner, for now.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Personally
I’ve got Petrus starting at LG
I love his energy, athleticism, and work ethic. When he’s in, the Giants can run the ball. If they can live with the growing pains of having Brewer and Petrus start, I think they could have a VERY good line by the bye.
Also, I tend to think not only is Boothe too valuable as a super-sub to start, but Petrus is a better guard. Likewise, I’d have Diehl be a backup, because I just don’t want him starting.
petrus should start at guard, hes shown hes better than diehl or boothe
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by NewYork! on Feb 16, 2012 8:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah Eli would not know what to do with a good line
I think Eli would get lazy behind a good line…just joking!
by Exiled in Missouri on Feb 16, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
If they don't
move Diehl to RT, I don’ t want him starting at guard, time for Petrus I believe. The kid has a
nasty streak, me likey, LOL!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
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by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
no they don't
drafting OLs early is the biggest waste of a pick you can possibly do. Eli can take the hits. They need to get younger, sure, but Diehl and McKenzie were more then serviceable.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
If OL is the BPA, they go OL.
I don’t think Diehl or KMac were serviceable at all. One bad hit to Eli is all it takes. Tom Brady was ballin’ until Bernard Pollard came along….
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
last year, 6 tackles and ha ha Danny Watkins in the 1st round.
previous year, 4 tackles, a guard, and a center
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Forgot Pouncey as well.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
he's the center, eh?
didn’t maurkice go in 2010
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by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
they're both centers
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
you're a center
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Better than a wide receiver
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
LOL!!!!!
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lots of teams build their line with picks all throughout the draft
sure, draft one. But you don’t draft two in a row. The Niners OL is overkill with those 3 first rounders. There’s other smarter ways to do it.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
That team
simply drafts for need, same with the two safeties they have taken.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 16, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda funny..the worst hit Eli took was from Jacobs...9 stiches....haha..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Well unless your last name is Pouncey...But how many of them come along...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Dont care. We are Manning family tree fans lol
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I disagree
and you situation will never happen. JR doesnt consider any position let alone OL a need (considering we just won the superblow)
BPA.. My money is on Allen.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
question
Are there any players that are comparable to Mike Wallace, DeSean Jackson and Heyward-bey?
If we’re looking for a replacement for Manningham, I’d ppprefer a player who’s in the same mold as those players
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I'd agree
For some reason though, game breaking super fast receivers tend not to be possession receivers as in reading zone coverages and settling in soft spots. In gilbride’s system the receivers have to be very productive doing so or you’re going to find yourself not getting the ball (i.e manningham) very often. So in that sense, maybe the giants are better off getting another possession receiver type that hopefully can get deep with speed although its rare to find them
There was a WR that came out of Troy last year that's real simialar to them
I wonder who drafted him?
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd like to give Jerni some time to develop
Small, speedy type…we already got that. Then again, if Jeffery falls to us….
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree about Jeffery
The guy is exceptionally talented even though he isn’t all that fast. His strength is winning on jump balls just like Cruz and Nicks. It’d be weird having 3 type of receivers that all have similar skill sets. I guess Jernigan can be classified as that “deep threat” although he’d be in the slot where there’s limited opportunities to do so
From what I saw yesterday
Jeffery stock fell big time because he weighs like 230 and is slow as sh*t and couldnt seperate at all. If he drops the weight and impresses at the combine, pro day blah blah then I wouldnt mind taking him.
by SFloridaMetsFan on Feb 16, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
The person who said that rumor retracted it. All of that 4.88 is bogus
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2012/2/12/2793523/nfl-draft-alshon-jefferys-combine-training
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Wow Kiper and McShay lied to me!
Color me shocked
by SFloridaMetsFan on Feb 16, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's important to note that those quotes and those views are from Jeffrey's TRAINER and AGENT
Obviosuly, they’re going to put a positive spin on things. That doesn’t mean that what they’re saying is false, but I wouldn’t take too much stock into it.
It’s coming from people who have a vested interest in Jeffrey’s success.
of course. Just posting a different viewpoint.
I DO believe that the rumor that he’s at 250 lbs and runs a 4.88 is false. We’ll find out next week.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
The "experts" at ESPN
said he was in the 230-240 range now. They also said they thought he was trying to turn himself into a TE. I dont know.
I think he falls big time and we might see him available at our pick in the 2nd round.
by SFloridaMetsFan on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
there's no way he falls to our 2nd round pick
Like I said…his draft range will depend on next week. Which, quite frankly, can’t come soon enough
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
We shall see.
I don’t think he ballooned to 250 and his 40 is that high, but we’ll see if there’s any credence to the rumors.
For what it’s worth, Hakeem Nicks was had weight concerns and had a slow 40 times, if memory serves correct.
I think I know who you're talking about... Total bust
He’ll never get a ring.
True
However, Jernigan isn’t someone who can excel on the outside. He simply is too small to win against any kind of press coverage at the line, despite his quickness
Others who are just as small have done it
its actually probably why we redshirt guys like Jernigan and Manningham. They either don’t have the strength or the technique early on to do that sort of thing.
Jernigan isn’t any smaller then Wallace or Jackson and they’ve excelled on the outside. In the NFL nowadays you don’t really have to be a Hakeem type dude to win all the time.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think you guys are really underestimating Jernigan's size
IIRC, (could be wrong), Jernigan barely measured 5’9 at the combine. I think when we’re talking about someone who can replace Manningham and play the Z, I don’t believe Jernigan should be involved in that discussion
as are you
he might be 5"9, but he’s 190lbs. That’s not a small dude, most corners he’s going up against are at that weight.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I guess we're just going to have to disagree
If you feel that a 5’9 receiver is good enough to replace Manningham on the outside, then I can’t do much to change your opinion.
Manningham already was replaced on the outside by Cruz
its probably more so who will replace Cruz on the inside. The Giants move the WRs around a lot.
Hakeem is probably the only one that’s strictly an outside guy. Everyone else is both a slot and outside WR. Steve Smith did that, Ham did that and so does Cruz now.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
This is where Barden is going to step up this coming year when he becomes a green zone threat.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
but wallace and jackson are both taller
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And the real Steve Smith is shorter.
An inch difference really doesn’t mean shit.
Jernigan's build, strength and athleticism is much more comparable to SS89 then it is desean or any ot these other lightweights
he’s strong.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I remember seeing that hit he took on a return
Thought he was dead, but no.. pops right up and runs off the field..
JJ12 is a strong mutha.
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Jackson's 5"7 150lbs
are you kidding me?
Wallace is 6"0, but he’s 170lbs. Both guys are smaller then Jernigan, I’d say.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
according to NFL.com Jackson is 5'10
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
does it really matter?
they can list him at whatever they want, 6"0 CBs tower over him.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Carolina's Steve Smith?
Jernigan beat all sorts of press coverage in college. I think he’s got a more than fair shot to be successful
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Well Jerningan played in DII
The man coverage he faced wasn’t all that impressive.
I’m not necessarily anti-Jernigan. I just don’t think he should be considered an option to replace Manningham if he leaves via FA. Jernigan is a guy with great burst, quickness, balance, and route running ability but I still think it’ll be hard for him to separate downfield on sharply breaking routes, box out bigger corners on the outside, or win against press coverage because of his height. It’s much easier for corners to use his frame agianst him and slow him down
I'm pretty sure JJ was drafted to replace SS in the slot.
Cruz has already replaced MM on the outside, but he can also play inside when needed.
Still, your argument doesn’t hold much water with JJ being a stronger guy than DeSean and other small WR already mentioned.
Desean jackson? Not the kind of guy I'd want to use in a "Jernigan can excel on the outside" argument
The guy struggles MIGHTILY against press coverage throughout his career and all those things I mentioned on the post just above yours Desean jackson can’t do either. He’s a one trick pony (not talking about Jernigan here) thats gotten ripped here at BBV for years now
So we agree
that JJ should be better than DaSean. And a guy like SS89 is proof that being short doesn’t prevent you from being a quality outside WR. I’m not saying JJ will be as good as him, but their size and strength are about the same.
SS89 is very rare
You can’t expect someone his size to play like he does. how can you say their strength is the same? And you’re forgetting about SS89’s jumping ability
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
JJ's jumping in the combine was nearly identical to SS.
Not to say it will translate to the field, but he was brought in so he should get the shot.
Jernigan DID play some D-I schools in college
and he still had success, despite being Troy’s ONLY offensive weapon.
took the words right out of my mouth.
And I think Cruz kind of made Jernigan expendable.
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
too early to call Jernigan expendable.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
how is Jernigan expendable?
they are two different type of WRs
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 16, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I view Jernigan as a slot receiver
And Cruz does his best work playing in the slot. Are you going to give Jernigan his spot?
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
At the very least JJ12 is gonna be our
Punt and Kickoff returner and he looked good doing late in the year.
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Yeah, thats where I see his role next year
with the emergence of Cruz. I don’t think the coaching staff is going to force Cruz out of his element in the inside on 3-WR sets because of Jernigan
Giants move their WRs all over the field
Cruz was NOT a slot WR when he was first used this year. The talk in camp was putting Ham in the slot and having Nicks and Hixon on the outside.
Cruz’s first start this year was the Eagle game replacing an injured Manningham with Stockley playing the slot. After that, Cruz learned and started playing the slot, so he would go outside if JJ won the 3rd WR spot.
But like I said, in KG’s system the WRs get moved around.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 16, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Once Cruz became Cruz
90% of 3 wr sets he was in the slot. I don’t understand why anyone would want to mess around with the production we got with him in the slot.
Coming into next season I see JJ as a return specialist and a back up to Cruz in the slot. The only way he wins that job is if he has a hall of fame showing in training camp.
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And 99% of 2 wr sets Cruz was outside.
Your point really doesn’t make sense. Cruz was better inside than MM and Nicks, that’s why he was there. That’s how they got the best 3 on the field. Next year MM is probably gone, so to get the best 3 on the field you keep Cruz outside and put JJ in the slot. The only way I see that not happening is if Barden comes out of nowhere to become the outside guy.
The point I'm making is that Cruz is one
Of the best Slot Receivers in the league. So what if JJ is better inside than Barden is outside. Look what Cruz did last year. Why would you want to mess with that.
That’s exactly why I brought up the point of replacing Manningham on the outside with someone in the draft.
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As long as football remains a team sport,
you get your best combo of 3 wr’s on the field. Cruz is excellent in the slot, but he’s just as good on the outside. I don’t see his production being hindered one bit. The bottom line will be who works best as the third guy. JJ was drafted to play slot. Barden was drafted to be a red zone threat. My money’s on JJ playing the slot.
This year, it would be Kendall Wright out of Baylor
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Adams and TY Hilton are two others
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
JJ12
and that other kid we got stashed away on the Practice Squad..
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Certified best WR
by webby.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
i will take Webster's word on it since he has to defend him in practice
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Meh, in my opinion he's just a rich man's Jaquain Williams
Explosive, incredible athlete who isn’t very physical in the inside running game with average instincts. We already have williams and boley in the nickel, we don’t need another fineese linebacker.
Like
we didn’t need another pass rusher?
With that thinking… no Kiwi, no JPP
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by Giantssincesix on Feb 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
pass rushers are different
so are cornerbacks. El Beazuses you can get away with Chase Blackburn there
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Look the linebacking colors we've won with.
As I mentioned in the post below, the play of the defensive lineman and corners are much more important than the play of linebackers.
You can mask deficiencies at LB.
That is unless you play a
“wide 9”
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These draft webs are a waste of time.
They make for good fodder. That’s it. The Giants draft BPA. With the 32nd pick no one knows who will still be available.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
thanks for the update, see ya.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Yeah Reese should have this ‘fck it til draft fay’ mentality
by The Cole Train on Feb 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
When we mention linebackers, it should be very important to note: look at our linebacking corps for our two Super Bowl
2007: Torbor, Pierce, and Mitchell
2011: Boley, Kiwi, and Williams
We’ve won it with good, but certainly not impressive LB core.
We’ve all seen the blueprint. You win with franchise QB’s and the line, particularly defensive.
That’s why, even though JR should go BPA, I wouldn’t mind him drafting a lineman. As a matter of fact, I wouldn’t mind him drafting a defensive lineman.
Let’s see the players who’s firmly entrenched at that position: Tuck and JPP.
Osi’s his final year and the same goes with Kiwi. I don’t think Osi will be given the contract that he’s looking for. The Giants are already over the cap and JR will have to pay players such as Nicks and Cruz.
Kiwi, as much as I love him, he may bolt for a team willing to pay him more to be their 3-4 rush linebacker.
I see at most only one of the two staying. Taking this into consideration, I would like to see JR draft another defensive end. Althought this class isn’t that great.
if Whitney Merciulus falls to us it might be a bigger steal then getting JPP
he’s a freak too, but a one year wonder. But he’s kinda too big for a 3-4 OLB and he’s a one year wonder. Will another team take the risk the Giants did?
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen too much on Mercilus, but I'll hold off any judgments regarding his athleticism.
I’ve read some people stating that he’s a freak like JPP and other say his athleticism is limited.
I want to see him in positional drills at the combine and pro day. I want to see him bend and dip. Once I see how he does in the combine, I’ll take his gym short athleticism and see how he looks on film.
If I see him do 11 backflips in pads like JPP..He's a shoe-in...haha
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I think whoever says his athleticism is limited hasn't seen him.
He’s 6"4 265 with long arms. All he talks about is beating the crap out of the QB, and his specialty is the FF sack.
Kind of sounds like Osi mixed with JPP.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
What are your thoughts on Nick Perry. He's got more upside than Mercilus, but not the production.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Perry's too small at least for the Giants
he does not have more upside then Mercilus, who’s a freak.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
We'll see about Mercilus. Not saying that I think he's not good, but I have yet to really examine him
Regardless, I truly believe that Robert Quinn will be better than Aldon Smith when all is said and done. His ability to bend and dip is unparalleled for his size. He was a wrestler in high school, so he understand how to play low to the ground and with leverage.
Also, it’s important to note that Quinn was only 21 and missed a year of football, due to NCAA violations. But when everything comes together, he’ll be part of the next generation of pass rushers along with JPP.
I can’t wait to see the DE’s at the combine. I don’t care so much about the combine, but rather how they perform in position drills. And then, after gauging what type of athletic that prospect is, I like to see how it correlates on the field by watching the tape.
Perry might be too small, but he's a freak too
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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
giants look at size first before anything
by The Cole Train on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Then they better look at this!!!!
Haooooooooooooooo!
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Just watched his youtube penn state game
He was awful. I know that is one game, but reminded me of Carlos Emmons when he was on the Giants…
Willingly blocked.. no motor.. but like I said, its just one game.
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Slacks off in the middle of plays...
I dont like this kid…. granted its one game.
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whitney
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Yeah, not surprising
Whitney gets dominated (specifically as a run blocker) too much time on tape. He is terrible at getting leverage, playing with his technique, and just tries to overpower people instead of playing disciplined.
BUT, lets remember… JPP was very similar coming out and he turned into an all-pro. With good coaching and hard work, Whitney can get better. He already flashed outstanding talent as a pass rusher despite being as raw as he is
Thing with JPP
is he was everywhere on the field… play is away from him, he is still making the tackle 10 yards down field…
Whitney seems to give up on plays.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
JPP will run across the field and make a play.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
so you mean the one where he had 1.5 sacks and 6 tackles?
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
his one sack
came because the QB dropped the ball and it rolled towards Whitney…
His half sack came from jumping on the back of another lineman that was already in the process of sacking the QB..
Sorry, R44, I generally agree with you on a lot of things, this is not one of them..
Nick Perry on the other hand.. Watching his wisconsin highlights, I would pick him over whitney in a heart beat.
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got to be there to make plays
he was there.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Had he had JPP's motor
Whitney should have had close to 20 tackles in that game.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Mercilus has shown no mercy with his motor in many games last year
I’d really with you get off the one game stuff. Guys have bad games.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I have not seen him in live play… The one game type of thing was more of a disclaimer…
Just that game he left so many great plays on the field. That I was discouraged.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Bunting
doesn’t have Mercilus going in Round 1 at all, in fact, has him as the 6th DE overall.
Here’s the link to his profile:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=36130
So yeah, he would seem to be an NYG type – if we can’t develop a kid like this, nobody can.
The combine is going to scramble everybody’s board, though, and if the kid is an athletic freak, a lot of teams will have JPP on the brain and he will shoot up.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 16, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that scouting report is spot-on
Whitney is not a good run defender
I’m more worried about Whitney as a person because that can be easily improved upon with coaching and repetition. Is he a guy who is willing to work hard? Does he have JPP’s motor, heart, and desire despite the fact that he is clueless when it comes to technique? That will determine where he gets drafted. IMO the Giants shouldn’t get him. We have too many needs to spend a 1st round pick on a developmental pass rusher, granted one who with high upside but still a developmental player nonetheless
dont utter the N- word!!!
we have BPA’s… not N’s
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
There's that "N" word again
we don’t cotton to that type of language around here…
he needs to 10 Tim Tebows
and one Lin.
That should teach him!
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
JPP was a terrible run defender in college
lots of guys were
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I've consistently said Bunting is an idiot year in and out
so its really not surprising.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
What About...
some of the guys you trust? Where do they put him? Is he seen by others as a first rounder?
I usually gravitate more toward Mayock, but Bunting’s got a lot of stuff out, so it’s easy to reference. I’ve noticed Bunting doesn’t like too many guys – other than a handful of picks, he is generally negative.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 16, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
walterfootball is one I kind of like
and I never trust bunting. I hate the idea of bunting in baseball unless its a pitcher, and Wes is an idiot just like bunting is.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Heh
I see Mayock has him as his No. 4 DE, has him as a guy who could be asked to move to LB:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d827011d3/Mayock-s-top-five-DLs
Overall, though, he hates the DE class but loves the DTs…especially one named Dontari Poe. Poe didn’t look like a fatty to me, BTW – guy can move.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'll only agree on Coples with him
Ingram is basically Brandon Graham with better agility and Alan Branch is a bust waiting to happen. They’re both not better then Mercilus.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Combine/Pro Day
could really determine where Mercilus goes round-wise. Seems like there’s a wide range of opinion, so he could skyrocket or drop depending on what he shows there.
by Pink Flamingo on Feb 16, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree on Branch. Andre Branch is raw, but he's got potential.
Ingram is a big ass Brandon Graham.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Branch has been around forever
you’re only raw when you’re more like Mercilus. Branch is just overrated.
And yes, Chandler Jones could be there Antrel
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haha I liked what I saw from an athletic stand point.
Production wasn’t terrible either, 12.5 TFL 8.5 sacks. Got long ass arms too, is 6’5 260 and if he can run a 4.7 40, he’s at least an early second rounder.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The more I look, though, I think by the end of the day
Chandler Jones could be right up there with Mercilus
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 16, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I like what I saw with Jones
WV had to dedicate 3 guys to him at times and still put up a rush.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Bunting has its place in baseball.
Especially in big games that are a pitching duel and you have speed at the plate and on base with less than two outs with a lead.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Especially with speed at the plate and on base with less than two outs and a lead
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
yes,
give up an out, so the other team has an easier chance of getting out of the inning.
No place, ever. Except when the hitter is an automatic out anyway.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
The Giants didnt see it as a risk
They felt very confident in what they had.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
yes, yes they did.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
LB
If the Giants draft an LB in the high rounds it’s going to be a MIddle and not an end LB. With Goff a free agent, Blackburn being a solid back-up, and Jones & Herzlich’s growth dtunted by injuries and ineffectiveness, the Giants LB is in the middle.
Personally, I don’t think they’ll draft any LB until maybe on the third day. The first and 2nd days they’ll shore up the trenches: OL, DL (esp. with Osi in flux), and maybe a TE.
Ed will get to Donte'
I am sure this MLB talk will continue…Greg Jones is not an answer.
by Exiled in Missouri on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I am with you on that one
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
The nice plain 'ol fact about our draft discussion is we don't make the picks....
We are all like Economists…You can line them up hand-in-hand…and they’d never reach a conclusion…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
And could all point to stats and conditions that say they are right!
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Where is Syler???
this should be his cup o tea???
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Poor guy died of shock when the Gmen got above 3 wins
with the worst collection of LBs in the whole league.
LOL!!!
He is alive he was telling me yesterday how bad our backers sucked.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
we were a pretty awful defense
with jones at mike, jwill still working his craft and a converted DE at sam. it wasn’t until it took us 50 eyars to get a veteran presence like Blackburn coupled with Jwil learning his position until the defense took off.
when our LB’s sucked we gave up 3942739472934923947239749237492394792374923 points a game.
by The Cole Train on Feb 16, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
That number is NOT small
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
It's a very small number
Barely takes up any part of the screen
Eli is our King!
Ahh...very true...very true
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
it was much, much, much, much, much more then the LBeavis being bad
it was Tuck and Boley not being healthy and the mental calisthenics going on in the secondary.
Tuck got healthy, Boley got healthy, they simplfied the coverage and then Blackburn did what he did, whatever it was.
The suck basically had nothing to do with the Lbaneekesr. Sorry.
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so why even play a 4-3?
why not a 6-0-5?
by The Cole Train on Feb 16, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
that is strange
I swear that was a real defense this year.. the 3 – 0 – 8
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Last year in Indy
he tried the 5 1 5
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
and somewhere in Florida...
Bill Sheridan’s ears are tingling
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
lmao!!
I love it!!!
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Here's how I'd do it.
Stack 3 DTs like a 3-4 DLine… Canty on the right, Anvil in the middle, Austin on the left. JPP and Tuck on the edges, Kiwi as a rover, choosing his gap pre-snap. I’d cheat and call JWill my 3rd safety (there are a few NFL safeties bigger than him, so it’s fair), CWeb and TT/Ross, KP and Trel. Bam.
basically a 3-4 but with one MLB, and an extra safety
The 2011-2012 New York Giants are World Champions!
by NewYork! on Feb 16, 2012 8:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
completely off point.
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 17, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
chase solidified the D
while Jwill went back to being a “man” coverage LB.
like Fewell was using him earlier on.
I think the two main factors for the turn around would be A) Fewell’s schematic changes B) Tucks attitude / health
but more so (A) imo
Fire Fewell
I dont think he changed anything really
And thats from the O coordinators who faced us…… Even Aaron Rodgers said we didnt do anythign different except we didnt drop coverages every other play. That means it was communication and health that got better and were the big changes.
The scheme remained in tact. Blackburn heleped the communication in a big way as well.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
No!!!
Every one and their brother on that team has said the scheme was simplified and made to be a more aggressive attacking style D
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
We saw it in game
Early in the year except for the 1st half of the NE game we were playing a soft umbrella cover 2 with the corners 8 to 10 yrds deep and the safeties in the parking lot. When we played Washington in the 2nd half you could begin to see a transformation. Then the Jet’s game you saw what happened. We were jamming with the corners with the safety’s playing up and aggressive. having Blackburn back did help us shore up the middle but the 3 man rush almost disappeared after that and we attacked with extra blitzes. the D defiantly changed in philosophy and schemme
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
and what about Greg Jennings on ESPN during the playoffs talking about
how the Giants no longer give the Slot WR a free release? and how they play physical at the line w/ the slot reciever? and how they play more Man than earlier in the season.
Rodgers said the Giants were playing a lot of man…so maybe that’s why they didn’t drop the coverages? wouldn’t that make more sense?
grant basically came out and broke down Fewell’s changes in regards to check downs.
Fewell even admitted he had to simplify things going into the Jets game.
I know it’s easy to just chalk it up to a magic but it’s been well documented that Fewell changed.
Fire Fewell
Thank you
Your ok with me Gates but you have been beating this drum for awhile. Put it away brother the scheme and Philosophy of this D changed and thank Tebow it did or we would not be World Champs.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super Bowl FN Champions!!!!!!
After watching a bunch of youtube clips of him, he looks an awful lot like JWill
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
what ever happened to Donte Paige Moss
I remember last year people regarded him as a top prospect.
Should we be interested?
by Worl'Boss on Feb 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He lost his starting spot to Kareem Martin
And was kind of a dick about the whole thing. I think its safe to say a lot of DPM’s production was a result of having Quinton Coples on the other side.
Drafting for needs
is what teams with a pick in the top 10 do. You’ve got your pick of whatever position you need to fill. When your picking 32nd you take the best player left on the board and improve an already solid team.
Regardless of needing a LB or not, this kid fits the JR mold and would definitely be an improvement to the current LB’s that the Giants have. I like Williams alot but this guy rates out as an even faster version. I would not be upset in the least if JR decided to go this way.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Yes the very early picks (like top 5 to 10) can draft for need but as late as we pick we have to just get the BPA
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
This guy was a monster at UNC
Not 100% on this but pretty sure his 40 time is close to 4.3
Production 3 2008: (13/0) 6-0-0 2009: (13/6) 47-0-0 2010: (13/4) 72-1.5-0 Career: (2008-‘10)- 4 INTs
Height-Weight-Speed 2 Has the frame to add bulk but is undersized and must get bigger and stronger in order to hold up in the NFL. Displays rare speed for his position.
Durability 3 Lack of bulk is concerning for the next level. Has not missed any time due to significant injury but also has never been a fulltime starter for an entire season.
Intangibles 3 Has yet to maximize his physical tools. A better athlete than football player at this point but has rare upside. He’s a member of UNC track team and set the school record in the indoor 60-meter dash with a 6.72 in 2009.
1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal
Outside Linebacker Specific Traits
Instincts/Recognition 4 "Is disciplined for the most part. Understands gap discipline and almost always uses proper shoulder when taking on blocks in order to maintain good positioning. However, his read-and-react skills are not up to par. He frequently is a quarter-count late diagnosing plays. He takes far too many false steps. Also appears indecisive at times, especially in coverage. "
Take-on Skills 3 "He lacks ideal size and strength at the point of attack and can be engulfed when he doesn’t anticipate bigger blockers. Will always be at his best when protected. However, he does a better job of taking on blockers than his size and game experience might indicate. Does a nice job of maintaining leverage, using long arms to keep separation and of maintaining outside contain when teams run at him on the perimeter. He has quick hands and does a nice job using them to keep blockers off his pads in space. "
Range vs. Run 1 "One of the fastest LBs in college football. If protected, he is a sideline-to-sideline run defender. Displays quick feet to shuffle laterally and avoid contact in small space. Shows exceptional closing burst to the ball carrier. Angles are solid for the most part but he can become more consistent in that area. "
Tackling 2 He closes quickly and shows some short area power because of the momentum he can generate. Not an overly explosive tackler but he doesn’t fall off of many tackles either. He has long arms and a stronger upper body that he uses to wrangle down ball carriers. Doesn’t play the game with a noticeable mean streak but he is tough and competitive.
3rd Down Capabilities 2 "Awareness in coverage is lacking. Will take some false steps versus play-action, which lead to vulnerability in coverage (see: 4th and 3 with 6:51 remaining 2nd QTR vs. MIA 2010). Also would like to see more urgency in his drops. However, he is a smooth and fluid with rare speed for the position. He has good range in zone coverage and can cover even more ground with improved recognition skills. He displays the athletic ability to matchup versus most NFL RBs one-on-one. Has far more experience in coverage than he does as a pass rusher but certainly possesses the initial burst and explosiveness to contribute as an occasional edge rusher. "
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Love the pick
League has transformed from run first to pass first. Cannot have enough speed and coverage skills in the back seven. Wow three burners at LB.
4.35 projected 40 time wow!!
If Brown is really that fast and is available at pick 33 then Jerry should definitely not pass on him. U can’t teach speed, actually could seriously use him as a 235lb. safety??? keep Boley and Jwill on the field with him on passing situations.
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