New York Giants News and Notes: First 10 Days of the Offseason Hump Day Edition
by Mike Farley on Feb 15, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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PrintGood morning fellow Giants fans. Welcome to the Hump Day after the first ten days of enjoying our Giants as Super Bowl champions once again. In other words, happy Wednesday, but we can't sugar coat that it's the off-season. But it still feels good, doesn't it? Anyway, here are a few bits of Big Blue news I found out there.....
First things first. It was announced on Tuesday that Giants' Assistant offensive line coach Jack Bicknell was named offensive line coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Here is a snippet from the Giants' PR department:
Jack Bicknell, Jr. figured the Giants' exhilarating playoff run and Super Bowl victory ensured he would return for a fourth season as the team's assistant offensive line coach.
"A lot of the jobs had been filled up by the time we were done," Bicknell said.
But one remained open. Soon after he returned from the Giants' parade in New York City and championship celebration in MetLife Stadium last Tuesday, Bicknell received a call from the Kansas City Chiefs, who were looking for a line coach. Bicknell interviewed for the job two days later and this week was officially named to the staff of Chiefs Coach Romeo Crennel, the former Giants assistant.
New York Giants Have Decisions to Make During Free Agency - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Mission accomplished. The championship was won, and all the backs have been patted and the 'atta boys have been handed out. Now the Giants have to get themselves out of the self-congratulation mode and move on to preparing for the 2012 season. The Giants have significant personnel and contract issues to address if they want to retain their precarious hold on the NFC East as well as the NFL championship.
Cruz: Manningham’s Super catch wasn’t drawn up that way | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports
Even though the call was for Cruz to be Manning's first read on the play, the pass never went his direction. Instead, the ball went to Manningham on the opposite side for a 38-yard clutch catch that has become one of the iconic moments in Super Bowl history.
For N.Y. Giants' Victor Cruz, a Super Bowl ring is not enough | Professional | NewJerseyNewsroom.com -- Your State. Your News.
We all now know -- thanks to NFL taped recordings -- that part of Bill Belichik's defensive game plan was to focus on shutting down Cruz and Hakeem Nicks. It's clear that the Paterson, NJ-native is regarded as a game changer. Cruz has been quoted in the media saying that he deserves more money, and he wisely added that it's "something I’ll let my agents take care of." That's what they are paid to do. It will be interesting to see how the Giants respond. When they agreed to the deal, Cruz's market value was substantially lower, but a contract is a contract. Both sides signed it in good faith, and the team would be within their rights to insist on its terms. One great year doesn't mean you tear everything up.
Wow, talk about a metoric rise. You can't open anything in the newspaper or online now without seeing Victor Cruz' name somewhere. Good for the kid, but it's hard not to wonder what he was doing a year ago at this time.
February is Super sweet for Sanya Richards-Ross - espnW
I believed New York would pull it off, but with Tom Brady having the final say, my heart was in my throat! Now I really understand how my family feels when they're watching me at a major championship meet. As the confetti fell in celebration of the Giants' win, I ran onto the field to celebrate with my husband, and I couldn't help but say a little prayer of thanks for how blessed his career has been. Two Super Bowl rings in five years ... UNTHINKABLE!
Yeah, I know it's espnW, but it's a unique perspective.
Bennett: Giants' run shows Super Bowl reachable - chicagotribune.com
If the New York Giants can get into the playoffs with a 9-7 record and win a Super Bowl, why can’t the Chicago Bears?
Anyone want to take this? Okay, I'll bite. Because they are the Bears! Seriously, I know they were close last year, but there is no comparing the Bears' passing game to that of the Giants right now.
Here is some Keep 'em or Dump 'em fun from the New York Daily News. I know there will be way more Keeps this year!
Finally, I'll leave you guys with some more Hump Day fun. This is Giants' fan and friend of the team, Mike Peterson, last weekend during Super Bowl festivity week. You can't tell at first that he is doing both the melody and beat box, until he stops. It's pretty amazing. We sure do have talented fans, don't we?
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This is the 'off-season' for 31 teams
As far as I’m concerned, it’s the ‘on-season’ for the NY Football Giants.
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by pataroons on Feb 15, 2012 7:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Its not the 'offseason'
It’s draft season!
Considering we have JR and get to ask the question “but will he be there at 32?”
Good times…
by Raptor22 on Feb 15, 2012 7:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No it is free agency season now then draft
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Do you wanna know why the Bears can't do what the Giants did?
No amazing WR’s, no feared pass rush (minus Peppers), AND NO ELI MANNING. Cutler is pretty much a joke, Eli is the real deal.
Cutler is just as tough as Eli. I won't knock the dude, I'm one of the few that respects him.
Plus he showed how important he was to them, going 7-2 or something like that with him, and when he go IRed, they finished the season 8-8.
They don’t have any OL, WRs, their pass rush is OK, but their amazing LBs are aging and the secondary has a ton of holes.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
I think Cutler is a very good QB....
He’s surrounded by a piss-poor cast..He has gotten the crap beat out of him…but he’s tough..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Tough, and good, no doubt.
And his arrow is still pointing up as I think he is 28 years old.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
He personifies
Douche Canoe
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
That's what
Kristin said as well, see ’ya!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Love the tag line Gatsby...just noticed it!!!! Great song!!!
by oldschoolblue64 on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks man...
Well you know, if the shoe fits…
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the problem with the perception around him is just that
he has no supporting cast outside of Matt Forte. It doesn’t help that he looks like a surly asshole, either….even tho that ain’t the case.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, and that offensive system has been too inflexible
They now have an opportunity to be a bit smarter, if they can sign Forte and strengthen the OL.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Yeah, no audibles?
I think Martz is an offensive genius but the no audibles thing is kind of crazy
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Cutler a joke?
Really?…..far from it, he’s a damn good QB……Mike Martz was a joke.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
+1
Always had a great amount of respect for him. Playing with a torn MCL, diabetes. Remember Eli getting smacked around in San Fran? That was Cutler in every game. He also was putting up good numbers with Devin Hester as his number 1 WR. The way he got hurt was running down and tackling a guy who recovered a fumble. You don’t see that kind of hustle play from everybody, let alone QBs.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
He is good
but has to develop more consistency, agree better off without Martz.
That vertical game with a shaky line, not so good for the health of a QB.
Oh yeah, getting him a real wide receiver would help.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Keep and Dump a joke
Some jokers voting in Keep and Dump. Eli got a some negative votes. How can you even dream of changing one of the best in the game? Who will you change him for? Sanchez?
Is Unitas still available?
Either idiots or clowns. A useless poll.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 15, 2012 7:39 AM EST reply actions
Probably the anti Eli are fans of other teams.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Brady and Romo voted multiple times....
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Probably the anti Eli are fans of other teams.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
two posts make it a definite.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Someitmes when i hit enter real fast right after typing it posts twice
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Probably the anti Eli are fans of other teams.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 15, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
You think so?
man at times when i hit enter real hard it double posts
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Still getting use to my new laptop
Damn mouse is so sensitive, having big hands doesn’t help when my fingers do the walking as well, ugh!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
That's the other fans who want him on their team.
by Fire In The Hole on Feb 15, 2012 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's for other fans who want him on their team.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
That's for the other fans who want him on their team.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 15, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
That's for the other fans who want him on their team.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
That's for the other fans who want him on their team.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Probably the anti Eli are fans of other teams.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
Probably
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
I disagree just to disagree
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 15, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Like someone else we know?
LMAO!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
you can also disagree to agree to disagree
and insist on agreeing
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
or disagreeing.. and you agree to disagree then you have an agreement by default.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
agreed.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 16, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
Noted?
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Good point
The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
Here's the thing
we are actually one of those teams that as long as our QB is there we’ll be compatitive. THats it. I’d never thought I’d say that about the Giants.
I know there are some contract issues out there but whether we keep TT or Ross we’ll be fine. I’m sure there will be debate amongst fans but hey thats what sites like this are for.
Lets protect Eli a little better and lets help him and our D by improving the O-line and running game and we’ll be in good shape to compete in 2012. So O-Lineman maybe a RB in round 1-3
"Thats Eli man cooler than the other side of the pillow" Mario Manningham after Super Bowl XLVI
I think if the Giants can keep the core players intact..We're in great shape to compete for a repeat..
We have alot of talented players that were injured coming back..TE is an issue that needs to be addressed..Along with shoring up the O-line..beyond that..This team is in pretty damn good shape..The CAP problem is another issue..It will be interesting to see how this unfolds in the next few months..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
the cap is my biggest concern
Thats why im so glad reese is so patient. He wont shoot himself in the foot with bad contracts.
by jhMLB on Feb 15, 2012 8:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree but it was last year for me as well
In JR I Trust
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Ahhhhh-greed.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
That Yahoo! article was idiotic
Apparently, the Giants MUST keep all of the free agents and while they are at it, go sign a new RT. Oh, and give Cruz a new contract as well.
I guess it was left unsaid that we’ll need to cut Rolle, Canty, and Eli in order to come up with the cap room to make that happen.
Do we really need to go back to the same stupid discussions that we were having in August? The Giants just won the Superbowl A WEEK AGO. Can we have SOME faith that the people in charge are pretty good at this? God.
Of course WE can
but I for one like reading the absurdity of all others.
Fan(atics) for sure.
I can tell all that the most exciting thing to me is that we were absolutely decimated by injuries last year before playing and while playing.
Look forward and be excited
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
lol
GET EVERYBODY. ALL OF THEM! except you, KMac….you suck. NOW BRING ME TEH PROBOWL RT NOW! TEH CRUZ GETS 10 YEARS/ $20 GAJILLION DOLLARZ.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
20 gajillion dollars???
come on man, that is not nearly enough…
@ how about 10 yrs/ 20 google dollars!!!@
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
what did I do wrong?
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
can't put a space between the @ and the "how"
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
ahh thanks...
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Where do i start. LOL!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
Crack one open....haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hahaha!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Very nice tush
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
I agree with you 1000000000%
I’m still celebrating the Championship..This is just stuff to keep us busy yakking about stuff we have no idea about how the franchise will address…Me, I’m just happier than a pig in shit right now..I really could care less about the Draft, FAs, Contracts…I’ve passed enough gas rooting for them to achieve the big win…If I get serious about this other jazz I’ll be in re-hab for being hooked on ‘Beano’..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Hahaha!!!..May have to take the boat out this morning if these are biting!!!..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Exactly my thought.
If the Giants don’t sign their NUMBER THREE WR to a lucrative #1 or high #2 type money contract then they’ll be making a big mistake. Does Silverman realize it’s not about the one guy, it’s about the entire roster?
And then he goes on to say if Cruz doesn’t get a raise then there will be resentment. Pure conjecture (BS), he doesn’t know that.
We need to steer him toward BBI’s SOTU post
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Sports Illustrated offer
If you have not seen it, SI is offering the “Giants” package with new subscriptions. $90 subscriptions comes with the below (if you pay up front)
Pretty sweet.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 AM EST reply actions
way ahead of you, Fester.
Just in time for the swimsuit issue too
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
But you read it for the articles right?
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
If articles = bewbz than yes.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of "articles"
As i’m reading BBV and scrolling through the comments, i need to pause for a mental break. But, it never fails that my g/f will walk by and ask, what are you looking at? I tell her that i’m reading my Giants news and she’s like, yeah whatever!
Anyways, Thanks Fester, Constanza and Nywins(42)46 to name a few for getting me in trouble. ;) Which BTW, she thinks all of you guys are not all there! lol
Thank you
Ash her where the rest of me is. Please. LOL!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
Hahahaha!!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I excel at getting other in trouble
so your welcome.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Kate Upton = Yes, PLEASE
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Moved to the Bronx....
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Its a dumpy buro
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Don't do it.
Get the SI madden offer for $39. The purchase the blu Ray SB46 and commemorative book from amazon for $40. Much better bargain.
Win another SB...CHECK!
Prove all the naysayers wrong...CHECK!
Stock the team with a young, core group of studs...CHECK!
Damn it's good to be a fan of the NYG
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I want the Football as well
Just because.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I read ESPNw's snarky piece on the Giselle/Jacobs brouhaha
The only time I’ve read that site was to read a snotty piece that (sarcastically) said anyone who blamed Giselle in any way for Brady’s relative lack of success in recent years was a neanderthal sexist.
I’m sure the author will be there calling bullshit the next time some winner credits his wife’s support for his success. Does she expect men to say to the media “I ran the wrong route because my wife wouldn’t stop bitching at me all week and I didn’t spend enough time on the gameplan”.
Based on some of the (excellent) gifs on BBV, I understand the desire for women sports fans to create a more female friendly culture online, but does it have to also be an alternate reality? The fact that a man’s relationship with his wife can be a positive or a negative is pretty indisputable.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
So if my wife helps me succeed should I have more wives for more success?
Hmmmmm
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 15, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Works in Utah
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
more wives today = more alimony tomorrow
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
I have a hard enough time getting lectured from one
Last thing I need is another opinion or more eyes dissecting my every move or more ears dissecting my every word. I will stick with one.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
and multiple Honey-do lists.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
They said the same thing
about Yoko, back in the day…LOL!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
The thing about our WRs
Nicks and Cruz are great. They run routes well and get YAC like no other tandem in the league…they are worth a large contract because of what they can do after they catch the ball. Manningham was great on that last drive in the Super Bowl and because of it, people are going to overpay for him. Remember earlier (I think even the drive RIGHT before) when he ran his go route badly, ended up having to jump to the sideline to make the catch, and his momentum carried him out of bounds for an incompletion? His route running is poor and he has not been able to get a feel for the sidelines like you hope a pro WR would be able to…one play where he got both his feet in does NOT mean he is better. He has driven us crazy all year not being able to stay in bounds on balls that he should have. Let him go…we just need someone to be able to catch in case Cruz and Nicks are getting double-teamed…JJ12 can do that.
The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
My evaluation of him differs, i think
He probably runs the best routes out of the three…..he has the best feet out of all of them and thats from Victor Cruz’s mouth. HAM has just as much talent as nicks and Cruz but his fundamentals before and after the catch are what needed improving as well as he doesnt use his hands nearly as much as Cruz and nicks. He has since done that and lets not forget he was battling a knee injury the whole season. I just dont like when people point out 1 or 2 routes and then call him a bad route runner because Nicks and Cruz have ran some bad routes as well before but no one calls them bad route runners.
Had he been healthy he probably would have had the most TD’s out of all of them, Nicks and Cruz are great for sure but i think HAM can be as well. As for that drive your talking about, that was a miss by Eli not a bad route and that route in that coverage is a last resort anyway. Ham is a big play waiting to happen.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
My evaluation of him is in between both of you.
I think Cruz has a larger route tree, and he’s much sharper in and out of cuts than either Ham or Nicks. I think Ham is the 2nd best at running routes, though. He’s very good at it, and I’d agree that he has the best feet of the three. That being said, he has the worst body control and awareness of the three.
If he knows where the boundary is, doesn’t matter if he’s at a freaking 30 degree angle, he’ll get his feet in. Problem is, sometimes he isn’t aware of it. He’s also the fastest of the three, no doubt about that. He’ll almost always beat defenders to the point where Eli wants the ball to be. If I had to describe the three WRs, Cruz would be “precise”, Nicks would be “physical”, and Manningham would be “slippery” as my descriptor of him.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
That's fair
I probably said he was a poor route runner and probably more meant that he was poor at being aware of the sideline.
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And
I probably said probably one too many times in that post…probably
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Noted
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Nicks is one of the best route runners in the league.
I’ve read for the past few seasons how he runs his route exactly how they should be run and he runs them the exact same way each time.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
I agree, the awareness of the sideline is the problem
and the damn body catching has to stop. I do think Cruz has a larger route tree but i also know its because he is the only one who plays all three WR spots.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
MM is also weakest of the three on hot reads
Cruz got to be in tune with Eli, seeing the same thing, within one season, and adjusting his routes accordingly. Fast learner.
Maybe another talented receiver needs two years.
MM has had three and still can’t do it consistently.
MM lower awareness is not just about sideline awareness or understanding where his body is on the field. It’s also about reading the defense and being consistent in diagnosing and then executing the right adjustments for a system that relies on those things.
His raw talent and ability are great, but especially in a KG system, they are not enough for consistent success.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
I respectfully disagree
Manningham has struggled staying in bounds throughout his 3 years in the league. TD passes where he didn’t get both feel down, throws to the sidelines that he doesn’t get his feet in, and that throw was where it should have been, but Manningham needed to be running closer to the sideline…instead he was running 3 yards off. If Manning puts it where Manningham was running, the safety maybe picks it off or maybe lights Manningham up. His natural talent has carried him this far…he has great ability, but he still can’t seem to figure out where the sideline is consistantly. I’m thankful he did on that last drive, but I have seen him be consistantly out of bounds when he should be able to stay in.
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I know Collinsworth rides him alot...
Every time I’ve seen him call a Giants game (with several on Sun nites this year) he keeps mentioning the lack of sideline “cushion” MM gives for Eli to throw the ball…
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
Yes but that can be solved with coaching
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Yeah, but the mental errors on those 1 or 2 routes hurt
I think back to the INT where HAM ran the wrong route (was supposed to go inside slant, and either went out or up) and the ball went right into the defender’s hands. He has these lack of concentration plays that hurt drives. Yes, Ham is brilliantly talented, but I agree he will get overpaid due to 1 play. Good for him though.
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
That wasnt the "Wrong" route...both were right, either way he wanted to go
Its was an option route but you cant show one thing at the top to your QB and then do another thing at the last minute especially on a quick read.
He simply did too much not so much the wrong route at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
A guy in his 4th year
should not be fading to far to the sidelines, no window for Eli.
As much talent as he has, those brainfarts still creep in, which is why I don’t believe
he will get more than a two year offer here. Somebody will pay him.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I like all three...They've all made very clutch catches..MM was key down the stretch...
Yes, I agree Eli had to stare him down at times..but when they needed a catch he made them…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
When two WRs are covered then a good 3rd one helps
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
But you have to admit he did make the clutch catches....
I think that MM will have a small market available to him. It just depends if he would rather stay here to win or move on to another team to make his payday and not win. He is not a #1 receiver yet, he still has to upgrade his game. There are teams out there who are desperate for any type of receiver and will overpay for him, aka Kevin Boss. If that happens then goodbye MM. He has very deceptive speed and makes the clutch catches and is a good fit for us. If he stays look for him to work on his game.
by oldschoolblue64 on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Cap space
When there is a cap space for every team why is there no salary cap space for NFL execs.
Damn Roger Goodell is getting 20 million dollars per year till his contract ends.
That’s bullshit …you dont get paid that much unless you own NFL.
The man knows how to do business, I'll give him that.
I’d like to think at least half of his paycheck comes from James Harrison’s PayPal though.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Haha never said he was good at his job
I just meant he’s real good at doing business…for himself. :)
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, the Giants won the Super Bowl!!
They could pay Goodell $100,000,000 for each season that the Giants win the Super Bowl and it will be money well spent.
I don’t understand peoples issue with Goodell’s salary. The guys is the commissioner of the NFL, the most popular sport in America. He has been running the show during a period of time that the league has exploded into the upper levels of our culture. Granted, he doesn’t do anything for the “folks” and that is bullshit but he is making this league rake in the dough. All the technology integration and massive increases in accessibility have been implemented smoothly and return the largest profits that anyone could have ever imagined. For a guy who “can’t catch or throw” he is more important to the league making money than anyone else.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
I accept he is important...
my argument is 20 million a year is too much to pay for that man’s job.
If he had stopped this lockout from happening and resolved it between smith and himself he would deserve that much money. There were so many people who lost their job due to lockout.
When so many people jump in to solve the lockout why should this man get 20 milliiiooonnnnn dollllllaaaaaarrrrrrrrssss.
Maybe...the lockout was between the team owners and the NFLPA
Goodell doesn’t own a team and he took a 90% pay cut during the lockout. Sounds like he had a lot riding on the lockout ending.
The NFL lockout is now over after four contentious months. So now, all that is left to do declare the lockout’s winners and losers. Ultimately, the fans are the biggest winners because we get a full schedule of football games. But if we are talking losers, nobody lost more during the lockout than Roger Goodell, literally.
Roger Goodell’s salary this year is $10.9 million. However, he reduced his salary to $1 during the lockout, a lockout that lasted 136 days. If we prorate that, and assume that Goodell won’t rediscover his lost pay in some random drawer that will go unreported, Goodell only made $6.8 million this season.
Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-27/sports/29964740_1_nfl-lockout-winners-and-losers-biggest-winners#ixzz1mTHfyi13
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
6.8 million
i hope he will be alright. What a pittance.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
Poor guy could starve...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Mara and Kraft salvaged the season...
Which is why it was great that their teams made it to the SB…Goodell is a buffoon..20 million to hand out fines?…geez
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Compared to Stern
he came out looking like a genius, just saying.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking we see Mario playing in Chicago next year.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Or 'Frisco?
The Braylon Edwards experiment didn’t go to well
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I could see that, too.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
They need a big WR, IMO
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Cutler could sure use him
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
Gotta love Rolle on Total Access last night...
Lindsey Soto asked how it felt to win the Sb and he said better than he ever imagined. He said…“I’m ready to go get another one…RIGHT NOW!”
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
A guy
on that network has bigger ears than ’ole Antrel, I mean wow!
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. hilarious!
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I can't watch when he is on the screen.
I swear I change the channel…I can’t take anything he says seriously. Plus, he talks like a hack clown anyway.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
I can't look at Baldinger's twisted sideways pinky finger
I mean, c’mon.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
That his personal telestrator...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I love how he always uses that hand to gesture.
When he does I can’t stop looking at his finger and I lose what he is saying sometimes. haha
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
How does it feel (duh moment)...
Must feel tons better than losing one with Arizona… go figure.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
Uh Oh...Is Jeremy Lin the Tim Tebow of the NBA?
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Sighs...
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
ha
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Hey
I’m a Celts fan, but I love a good story. I can’t say I watch Harvard play that often.
His coach there was a hell of a point guard back in the day at Duke. Not quite good enough
for the Association though.
Ricky Williams retired....Cue up Bob Marley,
"Excuse me while I light my spliff"...
by Great Gatsby on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Somehow "Lining "just does not have the same ring as Tebowing
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 15, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, we're "All-Lin", right?
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
nice
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
He did have a nice Va-Lin-tine's Day...
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
I really hope he continues to do well
The Knicks havent had a PG like this in a long time
if you're a fan of both the gmen and knicks
Its an amazing time right now as a sports fan
by jhMLB on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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