Peter King Drops Some New York Giants Knowledge
by Ed Valentine on Feb 13, 2012 9:02 AM EST
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PrintMany Monday mornings during the NFL season I scan Peter King's 'Monday Morning Quarterback' column at SI.com looking for interesting nuggets of information about the New York Giants. More often than not, I end up disappointed to find little to nothing.
Well, with the Giants being the Super Bowl champions I figured today would be different. King did not disappoint, with lots of items I know you will want to read.
- Lots of great Eli Manning stuff. Here is a nugget I have to point out regarding Manning and offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride:
The fact that Gilbride and Manning have been together for eight years is a huge factor in Gilbride knowing what Manning will execute well in a certain situation. "He completes my sentences,'' Gilbride said. And Manning told me this about Gilbride: "He is what I know about NFL offenses. I can't tell you how huge an advantage it is to be with the same coordinator for so long.'' - In the wake of Whitney Houston's unfortunate death, some tremendous insight about the greatest Super Bowl national anthem ever performed.
- A great tidbit about how the Giants almost never got the Lombardi Trophy after Super Bowl XXV.
- King opines that the Giants will make little more than a "cursory effort" to sign Mario Manningham, and adds that Manningham "believes he can play to a star level in the league and that he hasn't had the chance." Unfortunately, I think King is right.
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Well...
Thanks for the memories ‘Rio. His TD catch in the opening of JerryWorld is one of my fondest memories, and his catch this past Superbowl was perfect (although Eli’s throw was more perfect).
I’d love for him to stay, but not only do he deserves to get paid more than the G-Men can offer, but he DOES deserve a 1 or 2 spot somewhere (Broncos, Rams, Bears…).
Also, I REALLY want to see what Barden and JJ12 have if given a legitimate shot. IMO, Nicks, Cruz, Barden can as much of an improvement over Nicks/Cruz/‘Rio as they were over Nice/Smith/’Rio.
Barden an Jernigan both have the smarts that Manningham seems to lack. JJ has similar physical tools as ’Rio, while Barden has size, physicality and deceptive speed (4.48s 40). Both can play the slot as well, giving greater scheme diversity.
Broncos, Rams or Bears, oh my
I had a thought. Would it surprise anyone if Snyder went after Ham and Peyton (status pending)?
Or, to the Bucs, with Sullivan?
It wouldn't surprise me, but...
1) I just don’t see Peyton going the the redskins. I don’t think he’d like the way Snyder does his business, and I don’t see him playing for a control freak like Shanny.
2) Shanny seems to have laid down the law when it comes to building through the draft. This is a pretty deep draft at WR, and I could see him waiting until the 2nd or 3rd for QB (maybe Oswieler from ASU. He’s raw but he’s got the tools)
Realistically, i can see your point
On the surface though, this would seem like a classic Snyder (FFB) move!
Also Peyton will not want to play in the same division at his brother.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I'm tellin' you....they gonna hook up in Miami...though there are rumors that Indianapolis is going after HAM
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
give Luck some HAM to work with
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Down here Miami is hot to get Peyton...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Most definitely
though new reports saying Peyton’s arm is a noodle…so who knows. Figure Miami has had enough of Chad Pennington.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah the nerve regeneration is a big issue...
But Miami needs to sell tickets..Bringing Manning on board wold certainly do that..He says he’ll be fine..I guess I have to believe him when he says that…It would be nice to see him wipe out the Jets and New England..The risk is Doctors say he won’t know about his arm until July or August..but yeah right now his arm is weak..If he has to call it quits..he’s still worth millions..He’ll never have to worry about money.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I like Miami as it is...so I'd have no problem with them dominating the AFC next year
with ham and Peyton. I certainly hope he’s up to it though. Nerve regen can be a tricky thing. Can’t do anything to help it heal…just have to wait it out
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah they say it takes a year to find out how that nerve will recover..
Everybody says the neck surgery is not a problem..It’s the arm and how well that nerve recovers..But your right his arm is a noodle right now..He’s definitley all done with the Colts..So, he either goes somewhere else or is forced to retire..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It would be a sad end for one of the greatest QBs ever.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton to Ham in MIA....
would be nice to be able to root for them against the Jets and NE twice a year
+1
WOD, he can be a #1, but not on the Giants. Two better guys ahead of him are better and Barden or JJ could turn out better. Now it’s time for me to see if with Jeremy Lin the Knicks are worth rooting for. With Dolan in charge, I’m doubtful.
Lucky for me
I just don’t give a damn about basketball.
Bring on baseball (and drag racing is back, so I’m happy)
Have a friend who goes to the Gator Nationals every year.
He recently moved up to Lakeland and drove down to WPB raceway for the warmups. It was my first time seeing top fuel live. Holy Shit!!!
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I go to Englishtown every year
for the whole weekend, right by the starting line.
Simply.
Awesome
(seriously, if you have never been to an NHRA national event, go. Tickets aren’t ridiculously expensive, and those cars are quite simply awesome)
I think he'll underperform if someone makes him a #1
I think he’s had the luxury of Manning helping him, and he’s already an undisciplined route runner.
He would benefit from running more fixed routes outside of Gilbride’s hot reads system, but I think he’ll end up somewhere where there will be less push on him to be as detailed and disciplined as he needs to be .
Running simpler, fixed routes will require more discipline, not less, in order to create space to get open and I just don’t see him doing it once he gets paid more.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
He'll be the #1 focus of the opposing DBs
I think hes better suited to stay the #3 WR here than being a #1 else where since he isnt the best route runner and isnt the smartest. But if he leaves, I wish Ham the best, but on to the next one.
by SFloridaMetsFan on Feb 13, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
MM is a goner. No Doubt
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
I hope they can figure out a way to bring MM back....
The Giants have a big CAP problem…So there will be a large salary purge..I hope they can at least keep the core intact…
I listened to Eli’s interview about KG..It is a fact that they are in tune with each other..That is a good thing….
The tragis death of Whitney Houston hit me especially hard..more than Michael Jackson..Please preach to your children…Say no to drugs !!!
Peter King is an idiot…Him and many others will be doing damage control for doubting this team…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Jerry's done a good job of filling up the WR position
We can lose Mario and not skip a beat. I would like to see Barden back and fully healthy getting some time to work with Eli in the Offseason. If that happens we get to keep Cruz in the slot
"Tom Coughlins hugging Flava Flav, What in the world is happening here!"
-Rich Eisen
I said this in the other thread
Watch out for Devin Thomas this year. it would not shock me at all if he plays his way right into the #3 spot.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
would rather see Jernigan get his shot
spent a decent draft pick on this kid, I would like to see why.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
We don't like to use the word "shot" when talking about a Giants WR after winning the Super Bowl.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Brings me to a point I made during the year and relates to this
I am 99% sure that someone sold their soul for the SB46 win. Like someone did in Feb 2008 (the pitfall of this deal took place in Nov 2008), it happened again this year.
So what does the devil have in store for us Giant fans now?
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 13, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Naah. Do not worry. i am expecting a Back2Back
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
i liked this article
Gonna miss football a lot soon…
by jhMLB on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
My Brother called me and said he was missing football
I told him to relax and enjoy the feeling of being the Super Bowl Champions. I feel great. relaxed and happy. This is the offseason31 teams dream off every year. Frankly I could not take another game. the stress was killing me. My wife said this is the most relaxed I have been since the season started and the dogs certainly appreciate the calm weekends as well. relax and enjoy my friends. The NY FOOTBALL GIANTS are Super Bowl Champions ah that feels good.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
A relaxing offseason is needed after this season.
I remember at times during postgame where you were absolutely fuming. As was I. As was everybody else lol. We all need a chance to get our blood pressure back under control and start prepping our hearts for next year.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Tell me about it...
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
I'm actually enjoying having time for other things
The game is a time suck and so much stress going through the playoffs!
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Well
if King is right, which would be rare to begin with, then I hope Reese uses this money on keeping Osi.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Next year we got to take care of extensions for Nicks, Beatty, Tuck, Phillips, Cruz among others.
Next year’s offseason is going to be as stressful as the regular season. We’re talking complete revamping of the team.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
While MM is an immense talent
Can you imagine how hard it will be for him to learn a new playbook?
Some one said the other day “he cannot steal our playbook because he does not know it”.
If he does not land somewhere with a really good QB, he will be limited. How many times has Eli shook his head at MM?
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions
King needs to realize that Boothe was stonewalling Wilfork on more than just that one play to Ham
Fire Fewell
LOL
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Boothe has, um, a nice "base"...
…and I suspect his strength and size from the waist down were key to getting leverage on Wilfork. He did a great job all game long.
by Step up and make big plays on Feb 13, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Manningham
I’ve been saying Manningham is gone after this year since pre-season. He could have been awful in the Superbowl and he would be gone, this just makes it as close to 100% as I think it can get. I suppose they could completely shock me and everyone by giving him some huge contract, but I think Manningham is going to be demanding way more than I think we will give him. He was supposed to be a first rounder coming out of college until he got in trouble. The Giants were basically his redemption option to prove he was worth keeping on a roster and now he’s going to try to get paid like he thought he would coming out of college.
This article made me hate the Ravens even more.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions
Me too
That’s the one that had everyone drooling. But he hasn’t shown that elusiveness since that play. Cruz is far more consistent at making defenders miss and he seems to be better in sync with Eli. Once Cruz stepped up there was no way MM was going to stay here as the #3. He wants his opportunity to put 1500 yards up. I don’t know that he’ll get it elsewhere either, but he has the talent that makes people think he can. I just don’t think he has the head to do it consistently enough to be a #1. He’s a great #2 for most teams, but that won’t get him the contract he thinks he deserves.
Go Giants!
We have enough depth.
Love ya Mario, thanks for everything. We are gonna be fine. We have Eli!
We can't afford to overpay....and as much as I hate to say the word "need"
but we need threats at each WR spot. HAM-Cruz-Nicks complemented each other perfectly, and I was upset when I realized he was a FA. Everyone and their mother was calling our WR corps the best in the NFL. It felt nice to be in the conversation with juggernauts such as the Saints and Packers.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
well, those same people said we'd be screwed withtou Steve Smith
it’s better to do what’s right for the team, and I don’t at all rule out that we could have a better option than MM on the roster right now.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
MM
I think he’s gone too. But this is the best WR FA pool in a long time, and that won’t work in his favor as he seeks the big deal he thinks he deserves. It took him a long time to learn the Giants admittedly complicated system, and I think he should stay here and hope things break his way. But the grass is always greener on the other side and FA"s usually walk when they have talent.
Go Giants!
Not sure how the Jets are on receivers
but since Plax wants out I wonder if the Jets will make a run for Rio, not sure if they can afford him but you never know with the Jets
"Where's Peter King?"
“I’m proud of my guys.” — Bill Parcells
by Step up and make big plays on Feb 13, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Manningham = Alvin Harper
Anybody remember when Harper left Dallas, after playing second fiddle to Irvin, to sign with Tampa Bay; that didnt really seem to work out as either party anticipated. I can see a similar scenario with Manningham and somebody like Chicago or Washington etc.
So im not worried, though I’d love if they were able to keep him, those three compliment eachother extraordinarily well, he can be replaced.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
by nywins46 on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll take two shots please
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin. NY Football Giants 2012 Super FN Bowl Champions!!!!!!
Calling BS
I’m calling BS on King’s comment on Manningham: “He believes he can play to a star level in the league and that he hasn’t had the chance.”
Of course he had the chance. There was a moment when it appeared that he’d be the Giants next great receiver. Back in early 2009 he had a couple of huge games, but when he was the starter alongside Steve Smith he just couldn’t produce at a #1 WR level. Too many picks went off his hands, his routes were off, and of course there is the famous play where he laid the ball down before going out of bounds. Hey, we’ll always have XLVI and I wish Mario the best. Like Tyree before him, I’ll always smile when I hear his name, but I don’t believe he’s a starter.
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