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Jeremy Lin = Victor Cruz

Now, I know this is kind of off topic but I am just starting to catch the NBA (honestly, I'm not much of a follower until this) and watching Jeremy Lin of the New York Knicks light up the Lakers tonight for 38 points. This guy's come up now with some of the greatest games for a new starter in NBA history.

Here's a stat: Jeremy Lin is the only player since LeBron James in 2003, and only 6 others since 1970, to have more than 20 points and at least 8 assists in his first 2 starts in the NBA. Everybody has made excuses thus far...he's played against bad competition, nobody knows him yet, etc. Now, they can't really say anything anymore.

This is a lot like what people said about Victor Cruz. It wasn't until the Philly game that he was tested by one of the league's best corners in Asomugha and still performed highly (2 TDs I do believe) that people started to recognize some greatness. As with Lin, people dismissed his starts but they're starting to run out of excuses as to why this guy has set the league ablaze. He just chalked up 38 on a team favorited to win the NBA championship.

The parallels are pretty uncanny. Both of these guys only started playing because of injuries depleting what they had in reserves. Both organizations realize how lucky they are to not cut or drop these guys because of what they THOUGHT they had in their talents. Both players turned in some exquisite performances to start their careers. Both of these players are playing in the best city in the world...NEW YORK!

Man, it's great to be a part of this town this year!

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Really not a Knicks fan, or even an NBA fan for that matter...

But this kid Lin is pretty amazing.

Dropped 38 on the Lakers.
Wow.

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by ironindianrider on Feb 11, 2012 3:23 AM EST reply actions  

Not to bust your bubble...

But they can still say that he hasn’t played good competition. Derek Fisher is without question the worst starting PG in the NBA, and it ain’t close. Almost every open midrange J that Lin got tonight was because Fisher had been completely obliterated from the play by the screener. That being said, Lin obviously has skills, and if he works hard on his game he can be a quality, consistent player. He needs to work on his shot, and he needs to not turn the ball over nearly as much as he does. Whenever I see him try to elevate, I shake my head because he just does not appear to have NBA athleticism. But he is getting it done for now. He has a great finishing touch around the rim, he can find open guys on the perimeter, and he can play defense. That may be all the Knicks need to be a decent team, since before Lin they were running their offense through noted distributor and ball-sharer Carmelo Anthony. It’ll be interesting to see how Lin plays when Melo comes back and he doesn’t have the ball in his hands at the start of every possession. I think he will do well, because he moves well without the ball and knows what to do quickly when he gets it.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Feb 11, 2012 4:04 AM EST reply actions  

sorry boober

I haven’t seen other PGs do that to the Lakers unless we’re talking about Nash or CP3. I also haven’t seen any other guard (including those two mopes) doing that with Jared Jeffries getting major minutes. Yes, THE Jared Jeffries. This is like Eli Manning not getting sacked until he curls up in the fetal position cuz he has David Diehl the Walking Turnstile as his LT.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

He was being guarded by the black mamba himself from the 3rd Q on.

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Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 11, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

No he wasn't

maybe a few possesions but watching the 4th quarter i rarely saw him be guarded by Kobe

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by netsareboss on Feb 11, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you see where he was guarded by Fisher and spun to the rim for the layup?

That looked like Diehl trying to block Freeney. Fisher is really, really, really bad. This makes me sound like I’m hating, though, which I don’t wanna do cuz Lin is a great story and a nice player.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Feb 11, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That was hot stuff

but Fisher is old. I love Lin and all and hope he gets his due but they’re overhyping this sooo much

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by netsareboss on Feb 11, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Most points in NBA history

In first three starts. That goes for every position too. More than Jordan, Magic and everybody for that matter. The story is definitely not being over hyped.

He has courage and poise. In my opinion, most of all, he has that quality you can't define. Call it magic. … I honestly give this guy a chance to be better than his brother." - Ernie Accorsi scouting report of Eli Manning

by bleedblue12 on Feb 12, 2012 3:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yes

he is now the next Jordan, the next LeBron. All hail the 4-game phenomenom!

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by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

You just mad he lit up your guy

Eli is our King!

by trueblue63 on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone lits up our guys

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by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's overhyped

when ESPN puts Jeremy Lin as an option on their poll of “Who is the best point guard in the league?”

Now tell me he’s not overhyped

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by netsareboss on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN is a hype machine

Within one season Eli went from garbage to HOF in the ESPN universe.

And they frame their polls hoping for controversial results.

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by trueblue63 on Feb 14, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Umm yes he was (more then a few)

The mere fact that Mike Brown felt the need to have one of the best defenders in the game cover him, speaks volumes of a undrafted kid in his 3rd NBA start… .

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 11, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well not reallyyyy

Lin doesn’t benefit from playing with elite players who lend to his strengths, but he is a very good PG in D’antoni’s system. How good he would be outside of it is up for debate. If he can keep up that level of play the Knicks finally have a legit playmaker and consistent 3rd option who can take over a game either passing or scoring the ball. Butttt then again I am a Laker fan so =[ He sucks =[

by jlim4 on Feb 11, 2012 4:38 AM EST reply actions  

College basketball is all that matters anyways. GO CUSE

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by Giantstep on Feb 11, 2012 8:36 AM EST reply actions  

As a Knicks fan, I can't help but say we deserve it

also everyone who doubted Mike D’Antoni should be rectal rooted with a spiked soldering iron, and make sure that thing’s been plugged in for a few hours so its nice and hot. If you have any doubt that Lin’s ascension to what he is right now isn’t a product of D’Antoni, we’re taking the same soldering iron and using it on your eyeballs.

Lin is Cruz, no doubt. He had his followers, which I was definitely not one of, early on saying that he’s ‘exactly what we need’. I mean Lin couldn’t even dribble the ball up court. But something clicked. Whether its coaching (likely) or Eli Manning (this applies to Lin too), who really cares. I just love watching it.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

(Bending over)

I wanted Mike D gone because he couldn’t make the “talent” given to him excel ..Then there’s that D thing, but that’s more then likely on the shoulders of the players.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Finally we get to see J Lin!!! Giant LB'zz

by Troy O on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Cruz only plays in the best city in the world

if you consider East Rutherford, NJ to be the best city in the world.

That said, there are definitely some parallels to be drawn, but lets wait more than 3 games to see what really happens when (if) the league catches up with him.

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by daveh873 on Feb 11, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

They are the NY Giants...

The fucking stadium is in the swamp right over the bridge because it was convenient that’s all. All you clowns from Jersey realize that when other fan bases call them the Jersey Giants it’s an insult right?!

He has courage and poise. In my opinion, most of all, he has that quality you can't define. Call it magic. … I honestly give this guy a chance to be better than his brother." - Ernie Accorsi scouting report of Eli Manning

by bleedblue12 on Feb 12, 2012 3:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Try to twist it any way you want

they play 2 miles down the street from me. I don’t have to pay a toll to go see them. You do. You can slap the “NY” on their helmet. Doesn’t change the inarguable fact that they not only don’t play any of their games in NYC, but they play in a completely different state. And they have for 30+ years.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Feb 13, 2012 7:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

LOL

He has courage and poise. In my opinion, most of all, he has that quality you can't define. Call it magic. … I honestly give this guy a chance to be better than his brother." - Ernie Accorsi scouting report of Eli Manning

by bleedblue12 on Feb 13, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Argument is over.

"No one in football has swagger like the 'lowercase ny' Giants!"

by BrooksBridges11 on Feb 14, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sure the Andover Redskins will change their name too

Cause stadium location is all that matters

Yawn part 2

Eli is our King!

by trueblue63 on Feb 14, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or the Foxboro Patriots and so on...

Probably should ignore them. Fact of the matter is if they were the Jersey Giants (like the Nets and Devils) they wouldn’t even have the fanbase they do like the Nets and Devils. It’s a disgrace to look at empty arenas in the playoffs or mostly opposing fans for god sake. Jersey residents have the same little brother complex Jets fans/players suffer from. They try and make the decision to build the stadium there about everything except the reason it was done….CONVENIENCE AND $$$ nothing more!!

He has courage and poise. In my opinion, most of all, he has that quality you can't define. Call it magic. … I honestly give this guy a chance to be better than his brother." - Ernie Accorsi scouting report of Eli Manning

by bleedblue12 on Feb 14, 2012 10:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

That's why they are the New England Patriots

and not the Boston Patriots. Foxborough is well within the limits of New England, which is quite the opposite of how NJ is logically not in NY.

You sure are getting agitated over a simple fact. They play in NJ and they have for over 30 years. There is nothing disputable about that. The only reason NY is still on that helmet is for marketability. They kept the NY to make money. Still doesn’t change the fact they’ve been a NJ based team since the 70s.

Just ask yourself this (and try to do so without having a emotional reaction): What about them, besides the logo, makes them a “NY” team? Do they play their home games in NYC? NY state? Is their practice facility there? Do the majority of their players live there? Is there any tangible part of the Giants that is in NY? Sure, they have a huge fan base there, but that doesn’t make them “NY” any more than having a ton Rangers fans in NJ makes them a Jersey team.

In the end, the Giants are NY in name and nothing else. I really would like a rational description from your view though of how they are more NY than NJ. I am interested in seeing that viewpoint. But saying “yawn” and bashing NJ doesn’t refute any of my points, and it doesn’t support your argument either.

"things like locig and prrofreading are actually valued here" - zknower

by daveh873 on Feb 14, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm ALL LIN

Jeremy Lin = Victor Cruz, one can def understand the comparison’s. Great story, good kid. And keeping fingers crossed his performance does not take too much of a hit when Melo and stat are back.

by NYCGMEN on Feb 11, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

As a Nets fan, the dude has won me over.

Don’t care too much though. I hate the Knicks.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 11, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

I know, I still root for the Nets, but Lin is making me like the Knicks

I started to get into pro sports in general because of J-Kidd’s Nets, those teams were so fun to watch even though they really only made the finals twice cuz the Eastern Conference was terrible then. The Knicks have been so unlikable for the past decade, nothing but whiny, overhyped underachievers. The Isiah/Starbury era made me really hate them. I have to say, though, Knicks fans are some of the most loyal fans in the world, they still sell out MSG even though the team has basically sucked for most of the last three decades with the obvious exception of the mid 90s and the little Houston/Spree run. But Lin is making me reconsider my feelings for them. All of a sudden they are playing hard, fundamental basketball. I really don’t like D’Antoni as a coach, Steve Nash made him into an “offensive genius” who doesn’t coach defense. Still, you can’t deny now that his “system” makes point guards great. It just annoys me that a guy who ignores half of the game and can only win games if he has a good point guard regardless of the other talent on the team can be considered a good coach.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Feb 12, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree to a point. I really like the story, and I like the way they are playing good, fundamental, team oriented bball.

But don’t get me wrong. I hate everything about those goddamned Knicks.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

What will be the dance in place of the salsa

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by Shaunthegiant on Feb 11, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

LOL

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by netsareboss on Feb 11, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Love TAWD!

Heard a lot of hype about this guy in the beginning of the season. Didn’t think he wiuld live up to it but now…idk.
Need more time before I can say he is the Cruz of the NBA.

If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.

by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 11, 2012 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

this guy thinks your racist

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by rcnt123 on Feb 11, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

damn it

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 11, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The secret is the Lin-Fields combo

They are playing the most intelligent basketball I’ve seen since Earl and Walt formed the million dollar backcourt. (now that was some smart basketball) The ball moves on offense with purpose, anyone can score at any time, it keeps everyone in the game and excited. Lin is excellent, though I’m skeptical he’ll maintain this pace, he’s a guy you can win with.

If Melo and Amare accept that they are now scorers and not ball handlers, not distributors. They will score a ton of points, the Knicks will be a real threat, and basketball in NYC will be exciting. They were getting good looks and pretty easy shots without their stars. If you add Melo, holding coverage on the wing, and Amare filling the lane BOOM. Novak will get better too. He’s going to get some wide open shots.

They do look like they could use another rebounder/ wide body to help Chandler. In the playoffs he’s going to get used up.

Eli is our King!

by trueblue63 on Feb 11, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

they might miss the playoffs

Kobe doesn’t even care anymore, he just wants to pass Kareem on the scoring list.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Feb 12, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Better than comparisons to Tim Tebow, I have seen

Giant scouting crew did a better job in finding this gem than Knicks. Targeted Cruz and kept him from college on. Knicks were just desperate and lucky. More of a blind squirrel approach.

by lueeluee on Feb 12, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

That's not exactly true

JR has said, we wouldn’t have even given Cruz a tryout if he wasn’t local. Didn’t think he’d be worth a plane ticket as an UDFA.

The problem in both sports, is that coaches and GMs assume they’re right, when they do evaluations, instead of just getting guys into games to see what they have. Who thought Ballard had any chance to replace Boss’s productivity? Who figured Cruz pushing out Manningham? Coaches need to create what “The Genius” referred to as creative tension. No ones spot is certain. This way you find your Lin’s and Cruz’s without injuries and desperation.

Eli is our King!

by trueblue63 on Feb 13, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

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