Debate: Should Victor Cruz Get A Rich New Contract?

Eli will find another Cruz/SS12 if Cruz decides to leave. Cant give everyone big contracts just because we won the superbowl, but we need either Cruz or Manningham to return next year for sure

Cut Eli to fund it

and do the opposite.

while he doesn’t seem like the Desean Jackson type, he like Jackson does deserve a raise. I think you bump up the salary modestly for 2012 on a short term deal. He is signed through 2012, so you’re doing something you don’t have to do.

There’s no guarantee he’s not just a one year wonder, so you don’t go balls deep with a fat new long term contract. You just don’t do it. He’s not even the best WR on the team and obviously we found him as an UDFA so its not like the Giants don’t know how to find em.

Keep the option open to renegotiate toward the end of the year like we did with Justin Tuck, then resign him if he’s still the same.

Nightmares, Sex, and Robot Arms

is he a RFA after next season if we don’t give him a new contract?

In the National Football League, a restricted free agent (RFA) is one with three accrued seasons of service, who has received a “qualifying” offer (a salary level predetermined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and its players) from his current club. He can negotiate with any club through a certain date. If the restricted free agent accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club has “right of first refusal,” a seven-day period in which it may match the offer and retain him, or choose not to match the offer, in which case it may receive one or more draft picks for the upcoming draft from the player’s new club. If an offer sheet is not executed, the player’s rights revert to his old club the day after negotiations must end.

Tender amounts
In 2007, a second-round tender offer was added. The four tender amounts for 2008 are as follows:1
Tender amount Compensation required
$2.562 million First- and third-round
$2.017 million First-round
$1.417 million Second-round
$927,000 Determined by RFA’s original draft status (see below)

Signing Cruz to a long term deal and pay raise may be on JR’s radar, it has to be pretty low on his priority list.

Did Cruz outperform his $405k salary this year? Absolutely.

Will he repeat his outstanding play next year or more years to come? No guaranty of that.

My guess is JR will have a discussion with him in the offseason and tell him that they will revisit his contract either midway through the season or after it and see how he performs

Plain and simple. Don’t let his ego affect his playing ability. Maybe a small bonus, nothing like a huge new contract. Do this for 1-2 more years and I promise him he’ll get a bigger contract that he would have right now

and pay Osi too. Make cuts elsewhere.

The formula for success for the Giants is pretty clear.
A trio of Top end wideouts. SB42- Plax-Toomer-Smith SB46- Nicks-Manningham-Cruz
A running game that demands at least enough respect to help in play action.
A decent TE- Boss is Ballard, Ballard is Boss

Elite front four-Osi was key on both runs, JPP is the new Strahan and the interior got great push on both championship runs.
Average LB’s- All role players, specify there jobs and don’t ask too much of anyone.
And an good secondary that can disrupt at times. Believe it or not Ross is actually good.

And oh yeah an absolute gamechanger at QB.

Keep the weapons at the critical positions WR/DL, keep the formula, and give us a chance next year.

In short… if it ain’t broke, do what you can to keep it running.

Clearly Victor has exceeded his contract this year, however before he get’s a long term deal i would like to see him have another good season, so we are not investing in a flash in the pan. Maybe somthing can be done to add to next years’s salary, and Im sure the Giants will get somthing done before next year is over if he is playing great ball.

I wld give him a 2 year deal worth 3-4 mil …its a raise & its allows the Giants to really assess his Value !! Win win IMO

But when you set the franchise receiving yards record, you deserve to get paid.

over a short term deal….there’s no way his agent would agree to that. They’d rather play out the contract, then look for a massive deal afterwards.

We need to sign Cruz to a long term deal, 3-6 years(I’m guessing that’s long term in the NFL). We can pay him, but not ridiculously the amount other top receivers get. I don’t want him to sign a 1-2 year deal, have great seasons, and put the Giants in a corner to sign him to a mega-deal. I think it’s important we get this done now and put his contract to bed.

Make Cruz do it again..don’t forget there is a 53 man roster to fill.
Also it’s not like Cruz didn’t have a season ending injury the year before.
The main implications to this for me are that HAM is even less likely to be re-signed.
Hopefully JJ and Barden can fill his shoes on the outside.

So, expect Nicks to get a deal somewhere between the start of training camp and midway through.

I would expect Cruz to get a new deal somewhere between the start of and middle of the season, provided he is playing well at the time.

Manningham would be the odd man out if the Giants are planning to reup Cruz and Nicks. He had a good post season when he was a #3, but his regular season saw a big drop off from the previous year. His physical skills are awesome, but mental mistakes lead to interceptions, dropped passes (lots of dropped passes, especially when in the end zone), lost points and the opportunity to win games.

But, keep in mind that Cruz also got a chunk of change in 2010 and didn’t catch a pass the entire year. So, from the Giants perspective, they have invested something like 800k in Cruz already, not just the 400k salary from 2011.

I would anticipate that Cruz would be offered some very nice endorsement deals, as well. He’s been on late night TV Talk shows, and his agent must be having a field day with potential endorsement deals. That’s a direct result of the organization in which he plays, the number of prime time games he’s involved in, and the thing called the Super Bowl that he just played in. Put Cruz in Tampa Bay, and his earning potential is so much lower, even with similar stats for the year.

If he gets a contract extension now, it’ll be a contract that’s in the giants best interest. But if he doesnt, what is cruz going to do? Holdout? lol, he can’t he needs to accrue more seasons before he can be a UFA. So he’s stuck. I think his comments were just meant to show the team he’s willing to sign a deal now, even if its suited to favor the giants long-term. If I’m JR, I low ball him but show him a decent signing bonus. You think cruz will walk away from a 2-3 million signing bonus?

I would like to see Cruz awarded with a substantial raise. Cruz is a great face of the franchise, he made this organization a boatload of money this season, and without him they don’t hoist the Lombardi Trophy this year.

I would also like to see the Giants maintain cap flexibility going forward because I fear they may have to let some great young players go if they don’t.

In summation, I am glad I am not Jerry Reese this off-season.

NO NEW CONTRACT! why do u guys want to give him a contract now!
there’s absolutely no reason to give him a contract! HE HAS TO ACCRUE 4 nfl seasons to become a free agent. So far, to my knowledge, last year Cruz being on IR doesn’t accrue him a season, instead (at most) its a CREDITED season (affects his minimum salary, doesnt affect his UFA status, big difference in the CBA). Therefore, we have him undercontract for 2012, can tender him at the highest level (1st and 3rd @ 2.5 mill) for 2013 and 2014! During which he has no leverage to holdout since he must accrue 4 NFL seasons before he can become a free agent. Giving him a contract now would be like giving a new contract to a rookie draft pick after 1 season. It just doesnt happen!

The only contract the giants should ever offer would be for mega years. Like 6+ because he’s stuck here for the next 3.

furthermore, considering how the cap is flat this year, JR has to spend his money wisely to keep this team together. Cruz will get his payday like all productive rookies will. AFTER they accrue enough seasons to be an UFA. Until then he has no leverage.

He needs a decent sized raise, but nothing too big, because we need to know if he can repeat his performance. But letting a guy have a historic season like this and doing nothing is poor personnel managment.

If his performance in the midst of all the adversity the Giants encountered this season doesn’t speak enough volumes to mandate an extension, what he has become to the world should.

Why?

Simply put, regardless of what anyone thinks about him, Victor Cruz has become an icon.

He is a massive draw because of his perpetually positive demeanor, a baller, and an outstanding locker room and on-field presence. People all around the world look to him for inspiration. It’s rare that a franchise lands a person that whole continents can identify with.

People saying we can’t afford to keep him are a little misguided, because the real thing the Giants can’t afford to do is lose him .

and have a talk with Victor to let him know what will happen so he knows how to deal with the media in regards to this issue going forward.

Because we all know there are a select few media leeches out there who just will not let it go.

“Big Blue’s 2012 payroll is already projected at $124.7 million, which would be above the anticipated $124 million cap and does not include the $5 million the team is required to set aside to sign its draft class. They also have 22 scheduled free agents.”

article from Fox Sports;
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/BLUE-HEAVEN-Future-on-hold-Osis-contract-not-a-primary-concern-10363077

Will it go increase, stay level, decrease? I know next year it will stay level.

You resign Nicks before you give Cruz a new contract.

What he did this entire year…included to his work ethic..and how he worked from bottom to top.. pay the man. Dont break the bank. But give him a substantial raise.