Giants' GM Jerry Reese: 'There Are Always Contract Issues'
by Ed Valentine on Feb 10, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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PrintVictor Cruz has already made it known he feels like he deserves a big payday after having a record-setting season while the New York Giants won the 2012 Super Bowl. During a conference call on Thursday Giants general manager Jerry Reese said he understands that Cruz, and others, will be looking to cash in on the team's success.
"That's a good problem to have. You win the Super Bowl and if everybody thinks they're the reason we won - that's a good problem to have. That means you won it," Reese said. "It's just part of the offseason. There are always contract issues in the offseason. That's what the offseason is. You have to deal with contracts and things with your roster - who's going to stay, who's going to go."
Reese said that tight ends Jake Ballard and Travis Beckum, who both tore ACLs during the Super Bowl, are "probably guys that will end up on PUP at the beginning of the season."
Reese added that "obviously we'll look in free agency and we'll look in the draft," but also said that Christian Hopkins, a player who spent the 2011 season on the Giants practice squad, will get a look at tight end as well. Before you scoff at that notion, remember that Ballard spent most of the 2010 season on the practice squad before emerging in 2011.
Reese, of course, was questioned before the season started when the Giants lost several players to free agency and injuries, and did not make any splashy moves to replace them. He was asked Thursday if there was a time during the season he thought he was 'doing things the right way.'
"We always try to do what's right for the New York Giants. We try to make good football decisions. It would be great to look like you're really smart in the offseason and go out and make a lot of splashy moves so you guys can write nice-going things about our personnel staff, but our goal is to make good football decisions and that's what we try to do every year," Reese said. "We don't just think about our personnel for the current year. We think a couple of years down the line and that's important. I think fans think about the here and now, what our team looks like now. We think about that as well, obviously, because you want to win every year, but we definitely think a couple of years down the road a little bit in respect to personnel."
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now we see how good Reese is
Its one thing to draft some guys, its another thing to keep them together for a long run. I hope he is a great negotiator and a wizard at using the salary cap.
He has to be
since we barely have space at all.
by The Cole Train on Feb 10, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
How is that possible
league season has not started yet
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Raises in contracts
But cap stays the same
Don’t sweat it, the contract figures assume guys like McKenzie will get resigned at their current numbers. Wait till the new year starts, then we’ll start seeing good numbers.
Eli is our King!
Oh
The Eagles will blow us away with their signings
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Hasn't he already shown that?
Many of the same guys from the 2007 team helped the 2011 team.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Yes, he has.
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 10, 2012 9:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
That was my first thought
I mean, wasnt most of BBV giving him Blimp rides because we questioned his negotiations skills and his Cap issues.. Also, keeping a majority of the team together….
I specifically remember people blasting him, because he said, and I quote “We believe we have a championship roster here”
I remeber the counter for that was, and I quote "Does J M$ Reese have his head shoved up his A**!!
, we havent gone to the playoffs in 2 years?!!!!! but yet we have a championship MF*!*!&# roster!?!?! "
I dont know about you Ualtar, I mean what else do you need to see?? Question the man, I am down with, but dont act like he doesnt have the past that is lined with gold, he has…
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
and apparently random symbols
creates non-viewable pictures…
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
noted.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
I think this Super Bowl victory bought some more converts to the In Reees we trust crowd.
Go back to when JR drafted JPP lot’s of people complaining than too, the lesson to be learned is JR goes against conventional wisdom a lot and he is right a lot more than he is wrong.
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure if they drop off next year
JR will get a ticket for the blimp again, in Reese I trust, but the fans not so much
Eli is our King!
This
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Fact!
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Boom
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Holy crap...
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
A (reformed?) sinners confession
I was one of the Reese doubters…..not a hater, but wondered if K. Midas had lost his touch. glad to see it is alive & well!
On TC – for many parts of the season, I wondered if time had passed him by, wondering if indeed stepping down for him would be good for all concerned. Motivating athletes at the end of the season seems to be his forte (not a bad one to have)
On KG – here, I am completely turned around. Have questioned him so many times, but now have had a chance to see – he came from the W. Coast offense system mentality. In his early Giant years, he adapted & gave us a mean ground-n-pound game, more recently (when he has had the tools (Eli, WR, TE), he has given us a game that routinely gets8-10-12 yards of real estate consitently.
On PF – still not sold – hopefully, here again I am wrong…given KG’s age – he would be the heir apparent, that gives me some uncomfortable moments
There – I have unburdened myself – first step for a fan!
Now do 3 Tebows and 5 Brady's
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Updated version
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
This is one of my favorite shots from Sunday
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Why do the Giants always were those T-shirts over their pads
I don’t recall the other Super Bowl teams doing that.
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
because the endings to their 2 SB's
have been close so the players are still wearing all their gear when they celebrate
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Now you have to do 10 Bradshaws
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I do that every morning
New York Giants 2011 NFL Champions!!
My apologies to Jerry Reese
that too
gotta see if they’re all right
New York Giants 2011 NFL Champions!!
My apologies to Jerry Reese
Ditto
Blue Ivy? I don't even know what that means?
No one knows what it means, but its provocative, it gets the people going!
by BigBlueWreckingYou on Feb 10, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
lmao
dont make manning tell you a 3rd time.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Last night, I GOT MY ELI ON !!!
Went bowling. Trailing for most of both games only to put up consecutive strikes/spares in the final frames, when I had to have them, and won both games!!!
I’m going to love “GETTING MY ELI ON” for the next ten years or so.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Feb 11, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Read
No way we Tebow… We Giant fans read “The Book of Eli” LOL
Honestly,
I’m still not sold on KG. His play calling can still be ridiculously infuriating and I hate his mantra of wasting the first few drives of the game to see what the D is doing so he can adjust. I’d much rather we go out and dictate to the D what they have to do!
by eyerish9299 on Feb 10, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Proof is in the pudding
They have consistently been a top offense under Gilbride. It ain’t like watching a Saints game or a Pats game, they don’t just sling it around the field. There is still an element of old school with KG and TC, but it works.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I agree...
but I’d still like to see him stick to what works instead of going away from it all the time! The quick screen to Nicks is almost unstoppable and we don’t see it nearly enough. At the same time, the middle screen has been getting blown up all year and we see it way too often, usually in a bad situation! Also, who could argue with a 4 wide set with Nicks and Ham on onside, and Cruz and Barden on the other? But we NEVER saw that! I’m not saying I hate KG (I really do but can’t argue with results) but I’d like to see more from him. How often are our WR wide open? Almost never! Its always Eli making a great throw and the WR making a play after the catch.
by eyerish9299 on Feb 10, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya on Gilbride
I think we can upgrade fim for sure, however you can do a whole lot worse. And lately it’s really hard to argue with Gilbriedes results
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
But then it comes in one bug circle that we have won 2 rings with KG.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
We would all love to see Barden more
But clearly he is not on the same page as Eli like the other 3 horses
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
He really has not doe a whole lot anyway so it has been hard to know of his production.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
KG has been a huge reason why Eli has gotten to this point
I have him a lot of credit for helping Eli progress. Dude knows what he’s doing man. The Giants are a dangerous group on offense to deal with.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
The guy is a excellant GM
He finds character guys in all rounds of the draft that can play. Even when he misses these guys get on the field and make a few plays to help out. He has proved since he took over he is a perfect fit for the mantra of this team and how they do business. That is why he has been with the organization since the early 90’s.
"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14. You still cant score more than 17 points! I guess when you are not video taping walk throughs it slows you down a little bit.
Really?
Kept Moss and now holds on to Barden without getting any production. Did not pay attention to OL which affected running game
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
did not focus on OL which affected running game
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Petrus and Beatty??
I guess you missed those two guys? Resigned Boothe? Don’t reach so far you might hurt yourself.
"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14. You still cant score more than 17 points! I guess when you are not video taping walk throughs it slows you down a little bit.
by NYG86-90-07 on Feb 10, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Talk about reaches
Petrus and Boothe? Wow.
by The Cole Train on Feb 10, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Boothe has been superb this year
A super sub to say the least
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I bELIeve in ELI!!!! - Primetime -
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Feb 10, 2012 12:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Boothe is one of the unsung heroes of the season
Playing all over the place sometimes in the same game.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Oh Booth has been superb. Beatty good too and Petrus the same except for i dont understand a word Petrus says
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Please bro
Ok, so he held on to one or two guys? Look at the other teams around the league. That is spliting hairs. you are reaching
"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14. You still cant score more than 17 points! I guess when you are not video taping walk throughs it slows you down a little bit.
by NYG86-90-07 on Feb 10, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
he was using the sarcasm font...
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
it was sarcasm font because i was kidding.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
LOL..
I guess I will have to start a whole new account, b/c I didnt see anywhere that you can change your name.
"We are only going to score 17 points?" No Tommy Boy only 14. You still cant score more than 17 points! I guess when you are not video taping walk throughs it slows you down a little bit.
by NYG86-90-07 on Feb 10, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
In Reese we trust... I have full confidence in him as a fan that he will make the moves that are the best interests of the franchise
Eli Manning is The Boston Strangler
The 2011 New York Giants = The best 9-7 team of all time
ALL IN!!!!
by JasonPierrePwned on Feb 10, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions
This...
JR was mentored by one of the best. Surely he inherited Accorsi’s formula for success. Two SB championships solidifies this notion. Remaining competitive now while and I on the future. what more could a fan ask for? I agree…in Reese we trust.
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 10, 2012 9:40 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
and I = keeping an eye
If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.
by LoNJDTechnology on Feb 10, 2012 9:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Don't forget, George Young helped mold JR too.
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
There is a 3 year overlap
But I’d say the JR EA connection is strongest
Eli is our King!
Continuity is key.
That’s why the man is one of the best.
If Reese says to me he can make a rock bleed or make a baby cry I have to trust he will! SB Champs!
One is easier than the other...
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Jerry has only one lesson to learn from 2011
You can’t have more than half your roster at one position be low draft choices and UDFAs, no matter how much the coaches like them.
Sometimes you’ve got to add a vet at the minimum even if nobody else wants him (See Blackburn, Chase)
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I'd argue that Kiwi, Boley, and Goff were enough veterans
The problem is that with no off-season, the young players had to learn on the fly during the season.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
A good debate to have if Goff hadn't gone down
But if Goff was on the roster one of the young LBs would probably had to go to the practice squad (peysinger or hezrlich most likely). When we lost Goff they decided to just roll with it instead of bringing Chase back then and making a tough call on a young guy.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Chase was hurt...
He wouldn’t have played or been a factor until he was healthy
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
The GM should have input on the final roster
But I wouldn’t want the GM to tell the coach he has to keep an older Vet who wasn’t a great player.
Teams make mistakes, you can’t make every decision correctly
Eli is our King!
IMO JR was right like 99% of the time
The main reason why he didn’t get Exec of the year is the GM in SF got it basically for hiring Harbaugh.
If at the end of the year this is the worst thing you can say about a GM that’s pretty damn good.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
JR will get that next year probably
They do that all the time, he’ll get rewarded for this seasons work
Eli is our King!
JR does what he's supposed to do
He keeps bringing in high quality players to improve the roster. He isn’t afraid to swing for HRs, but he’s happy to take a single, or (using the baseball metaphors) just advance the runner if that’s the best choice.
Bottom line, he’s wicked smart, his player scouting is absolutely elite, and his resolve is a strength. I’m saying it now, I think he’ll retire as our greatest GM, and have an excellent chance at the HOF.
Eli is our King!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1JCMFWDW4U
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
by costanza! on Feb 10, 2012 9:31 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I'm saving that for the Is Eli Elite
Arguments next year
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
That's a very good video
but I don’t like the green tint.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
A great video
watched it many times the past few days
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
The music is perfect as well.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
NFL Films music is awesome
The Day Has Come – David Robideux
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, it is.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
I have a CD of the NFL films music
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
same here
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think the music from the second half...
Was from the score of Armageddon
Believe!!!!!!!!
Rec'd Made my morning!
You down with....... ouch... doesent look like hes getting up
(JPP duh)
by JaxGmenfan90 on Feb 10, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
What a GREAT video…brought a wicked smile to my face! WHAT a season…still in shock and I’ve been a fan since 1971!! Looking forward to next season…what to do with my Sundays until August…have NO idea!!
Giants fan since October 24, 1971! I was 4 days old and my father laid me down in the crook of his arm on the floor to watch the Giants/Eagles game...been hooked ever since!!!
CRUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZ
I’m sure this isn’t going be received here. I hope Victor remembers he’s not that far removed from the practice squad Not to take away from his accomplishments but really maybe produce one more year and prove you aren’t a “flash in the pan” I think he will get his payday but he does have to remember who he’s dealing with The Gmen’s front office is very conservative in these matters. I hope he remembers the Gmen gave him the opportunity and if he stays steady and keeps playing at a high level he will get paid.
I don't know
He is making 490 thousand right now. . He is the best Giants Receiver all time in a single season. You have to give the kid more money.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
still think the Giants are going to want to see at least another year of production before they re-sign him
Cruz is a restricted FA so does not seem like he has much leverage. However if he put’s up similar numbers next year I can see the Giants signing him to a big money deal.
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
who are three players on the current G-men who other teams would mortgage their future
to have?
Eli?
Victor?
JPP?
Nicks
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
Bomar?
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Tuck
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
You think other teams would be willing to trade a boatload of players or picks for
Tuck? I like Tuck, but I don’t think other teams would give up a ton for him.
Maybe not...if he was younger then absolutely
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
So my point is, if other teams would slobber over getting those 4 players
then shouldn’t they be highly compensated? While we would all like to see Cruz and JPP do it again this year, to quote prove they aren’t a flash in the pan, I don’t think they just happened to get lucky.
I don't think Cruz's or JPP's seasons were lucky at all.
They should be highly compensated when their contracts are up for negotiation.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
To do that you must cut out some other needs. it is much easier said then done. I think we were like a million under the cap at the end of the season.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
They should send the remainder of the cap money to Ed Valentine.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Here, Here
and anything over we will pay for
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I agree with you.
He’s got a world of opportunities to go make some money right now with endorsement deals. He’s a charming, good looking, smart young kid. He’ll get his football money when it is time for him to get his football money. Until then, there’s plenty of other money out there for him to get.
On the other hand, if he wants to extend at a reasonable price, it would be a good football decision to lock him in. The Giants did it with Osi when they didn’t have to do so, and got him for an extended contract at a reasonable price. (Oh, wait, never mind.)
And remember, he actually turned down the "Dancing With The Stars" gig.
Though I’m sure more offers like that will come his way. Like the sports world, they’ll eat up the humble-hard-working-poor-kid-made-good story he brings.
"The Giants goal is to win more championships than the Jets have curtains." - Raptor22
That's what sucks
He’ll get his football money when it is time for him to get his football money.
I’m afraid it’s going to be at the Giants expense.
not far off at all
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Maybe even Eli will give up some money to keep them all togther and happy too. Not like it has not happen before. I believe Brady did it right before the season they won their last super bowl.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
Players never give up money
They move it around, they take a pay cut and turn it into a bonus.
The guys that give up money are the ones that can’t get whats in their contract on the open market. So Bernard got cut, and he decided he couldn’t get enough more than the Giants would pay to leave. So he re-signed.
Eli is our King!
Actually, didn't BJ do that simply to help out AB?
And going a ways back, I recall Aikman doing that so they could get Sanders, I think.
by Maryland Fan on Feb 10, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
They took away salary from current year (1M), but gave it to him as a bonus, so the cap hit was spread to the back end. If he gave up money, it was a pittance.
Guys do take a cut, but thats the cut re-sign route.
Eli is our King!
My point is i think we have cap issues. So they have to work some thing out with the players with big contracts.
In My Opinion only must signings
Weatherford
Manningham
Ross
TT
Chase
Maybe another one or two. There going to have to restruction some deals to get Cruz his money also. There are many times players do want to help out. Lets face it there will be some FA’s that want to come play for us too.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
I suppose Chase does make Goff expendable
by Maryland Fan on Feb 10, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm less certain about cap struggles right now
Guys are coming off contract and others are probably overpaid, might get cut and replaced with cheaper guys that can produce the same.
I’m pretty obsessive about that stuff, I’ve never been able to predict it with a ton of accuracy.
Eli is our King!
Brady did it several times, but Eli's deal is already back ended
Looking at the numbers I’d say moving millions of his deal from this year to later years would result in disaster in 2014 or 2015. So he’d have to extend and he’d probably want $20mm per in 2016 and beyond and IMO that’s not a conversation worth having at this point, especially with his bro getting cut loose.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
The numbers in Eli’s back end made more sense in old CBA, now they look a bit high. I don’t see Eli having much wiggle room
Eli is our King!
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AND NO WORRIES!
AFTER THIS SEASON I WILL NOT PANIC. REESE WILL GM, AND COUGHLIN WILL COACH. ALL WILL BE WELL.
by weejer on Feb 10, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This all makes for a fun off season. Look at some of the big name Tight ends that are FA’s. Maybe they want to come play with us after this special season. You never know. I wondering who they will franchise. If anyone.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
As far as I can remember
The New York Football Giants have never used the Franchise Tag before. Its original purpose is as a way to buy time for negotiations, either for a new contract or a trade. Not to force an unhappy player to stay against his will.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
We franchised Jacobs a few years ago
by soulless chimney on Feb 10, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I bELIeve in ELI!!!! - Primetime -
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Feb 10, 2012 12:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They used it to give more time to renegotiate a contract
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/brandon-jacobs/
I forgot about that though, interesting.
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i'm so ashamed :(
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I bELIeve in ELI!!!! - Primetime -
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
It was the 2nd time that Giants put a franchise tag on a player. The other one was Jumbo Elliot.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Here's a question
What would be considered a fair deal for Cruz? It’s not like he’s coming off a 3-5 year deal.
Well - that's the problem
He’s a RFA after this year, so he wouldn’t be eligible to get full market value for a while. Plus if he’s all-Pro again we can eventually franchise him if we think he’s worth it.
I think it’s a pretty short conversation. Ask the agent what he wants in an extension and negotiate if it’s reasonable, otherwise take it up next year. To just give him millions for next year because he “deserves” it and get nothing in return……..it doesn’t happen in the real world.
Imagine if we had redone SS12’s deal after his record season….yikes!
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
His salary is less egregious than you think
Cruz $490k
Nicks $750K
It’s that Nicks got the signing bonus and guarantees. You know they want to lock Cruz up, but the cap and team dynamics demand an orderly approach. It’s us fans that have no patience that get all worked up.
Eli is our King!
Don't forget about all the up front money Nicks got
Not really fair to compare the two players salary
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't that make it easier then?
I assumed he was an outright FA. If he is an RFA, he’ll be tendered as such given time accrued based on playing time. SS12 was coming off his rookie contract whereas Cruz’s (like top 5) play was as an UDFA. The luxury and leverage just seems to be with Cruz if he was a FA, even with only one year, a helleva great year!
i am not sure how his agent will act. He is a pain.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
RFA's are almost never tendered
Since the tender reflects compensation for being traded away.
And since Cruz is so good, he’s absolutely guaranteed to have a ton of FA-level offers thrown his way, regardless of the tender level he’s offered at.
For the Giants to have a chance to keep him, we’ll need to offer him a real contract this or next offseason.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
Here is a list of the free agents we have this upcoming off season
Exclusive Rights Free Agents (2)
TE Jake Ballard
TE Bear Pascoe
Restricted Free Agents (1)
CB Bruce Johnson
Unrestricted Free Agents (21)
QB David Carr
WR Michael Clayton
WR Domenik Hixon
WR Mario Manningham
WR Devin Thomas
OT Stacy Andrews
OT Kareem McKenzie
OT Tony Ugoh
DE Dave Tollefson
DT Rocky Bernard
DT Jimmy Kennedy
LB Chase Blackburn
LB Jonathan Goff
CB Will Blackmon
CB Michael Coe
CB Aaron Ross
CB Terrell Thomas
CB Justin Tryon
S Deon Grant
S Derrick Martin
P Steve Weatherford
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
after this next season is over
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Michael Clayton
Anybody remember his story? 1st round pick, had a tremendous rookie year, then went bust. Never had a good season again.
It happens. And I suspect Vic is such a bubbly personality that he’s going to be susceptible to the temptations of everybody pulling him this way and that, distracting him from football. Time will tell – and in this case it’s wise to see how he adjusts to success. Lots of guys can’t.
I’d wait until next year, but then definitely treat him right if everything checks out.
Agreed, that is what the JR and crew will do anyway...give him a little bit and wait and see
Clayton was a monster but is done, IMO keep Devon Thomas just incase MM bolts. I’m really going to be pulling for Hixon to make it back!
by oldschoolblue64 on Feb 10, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
That was somewhat different
Clayton was a good receiver. The bucs thought they could turn him into a T.O. type of receiver and put a lot of weight on him. He lost his explosiveness and had a terrible year. That caused him to lose his confidence. Then he was injured I think. Plus changes in coaching and quarterbacks.
Point being, cruz likely won’t put up stats as good as he did this season but it would be difficult to see him completely fall off unless he has a significant injury, we lose eli, or we change offensive coaching.
by B-rod24 on Feb 10, 2012 1:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
"Who Do I Cut?"
If I were JR being asked for more money, I would take out the roster and their salaries and then hand it to the player.
“So you want more money, OK, where do I cut? I have 120 million to spend, period. Show me what you would do if you were me, to pay everybody fairly and keep a competitive team.”
I suspect there would be a lot of silence.
Even JPP saying “Pay Osi whatever he wants” shows these guys just may not understand the extremely limited margins JR is working with.
They probably do have a basic idea
But the defensive line guys are all really tight. They have each other’s backs.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
Cruz deserves a good contract..and I'm sure he'll get it...
We have a major TE problem right now…and JR knows it…They’ll figure it all out..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Good thing about a TE problem
They are cheap to fix.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You defiantly will have a lot of cap room after looking at some of the FA’s we will not be returning. Like Kenzie, Grant and Rocky will more than likely retire.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
Old Topic & Off Topic
The NFL needs to address the poor officiating. The bogus holding call on Boothe changed the entire complexion of the half and possibly the game. The Giants were driving and had a first down inside the Pats 40. Even if the Giants don’t score a first down probably brings the game clock down to the 2 minute warning. The head ref tries to talk the official out of the call. A ref just can’t make a fathom call like this in the SB.
At the 2:20 mark of the video Wilfork tells one of the officials it was a bad call.
What’s most frustrating is the refs ignore obvious holding but often make a questionable call. Too many times they call holding when the Dlineman is falling on his own.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
I think the problem with the refereeing is that alot of them are new...
There are no experienced old school refs out there anymore..They are going thru a learning curve…Plus rules have cahnged and that throws another wrench at them…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The other problem is the reverse
There are a lot of aging refs. Aren’t a lot in the middle right now.
Holding is a very tough issue
You almost want to go to a graduated system. First holding call 5 yards, 2nd 10 yards, etc.
The commentators often say that you can call holding on any play and I suspect the refs are currently taking into account the effect of the hold, that’s why you are starting to see guys flopping around when they get held because it makes it more likely they will get a call. The last thing we need is diving in the NFL.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Feb 10, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
They made it impossible
They have to clarify the rules exactly
For example, if the player has two hands on the defensive player outside of their shoulder pads, it should be holding, no questions asked. Any hooking, or shirt grabbing, flagged. Right now the refs are just guessing cause no one knows exactly what a hold is anymore.
Eli is our King!
I know Wilf said it was a bad call
But it clearly looked like Boothe tugged him down. IMO, at least.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 10, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
This is how to do it.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously in retrospect it was the wrong call
But I agree, it didn’t look bad at the time cause of the twisting thing.
GIANTS! SB46 CHAMPS!
I didn't think the Super Bowl was that bad of an officiated game
You are never going to eliminate bad calls from the game they happen, just hope they even themselves out eventually.
NFL needs full time officials, that’s for sure.
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
For this entire season I didn't have a problem with JR or TC
Even when we lost I always said I like what I saw from the offense. My biggest gripe was the way Fewell was running the defense. Even with good talent we couldn’t stop any teams from piling on yardage and points. It was all on Eli and the offense to keep us in the game. Classic example was the first Green bay game. Offense played their ass of, gave Rodgers the ball with 58 seconds and the D could not stop him
This season really changed how I look at football. It shows that what matters is HEART. This is time has each others back. I do not know what the next season will bring but I will never panic or be disappointed ever again in this team. This team could win the super bowl if it went in to the playoffs 7 and 9 record. Does not matter only thing matters is the players pulling together.
"They got a big-mouthed coach, a big mouth and a big-bellied coach that talks too much and now it's finally time to shut up- Brandon Jacobs
Well it helps when those players are really freaking good
And under performing to begin with. FIne tuning the coaching schemed to fit the personnel better certainly helps, but these Giants aren’t a bunch of scrubs. There’s a ton of talent on both sides of the ball.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 10, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Ocho is changing his name back to Chad Johnson because he is getting married...
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions
Can you describe the experience
No one as survived it before.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I'm trying to figure it out
Is there something besides the whole camera angel work with the bride and groom?
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
No, the guy is just really short
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, I guess I was trying to over think this
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
She should be cute and shut up.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
lol
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Save that Brick!!!..another couple of thousand ..You'll have a brick shit-house..
That’s how I got mine…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
HA...wow
Talk about being self-sufficient.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
overachiever...
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
clap clap clapclapclap
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
with nike taking over...this could be a cool alternate....i also tweeted Tisch and suggested us wearing the LT era throwbacks with the old school helmet
Brooklyn Bound
twitter.com/bmisso8
New York Giants
*SUPER BOWL XLVI CHAMPIONS*
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO Red Alternates
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure these were fake.
These first popped up a few months back when Nike unveiled their Pro Combat jerseys for the NCAA. I’m 99% sure these just not produced by Nike or anyone affiliated with them.
by eyerish9299 on Feb 10, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Where are his calfs?
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
i know they are fake lol i dont like the red either that much but wouldnt you guys like to see nike make the 80's throwback uni?
Brooklyn Bound
twitter.com/bmisso8
New York Giants
*SUPER BOWL XLVI CHAMPIONS*
by "NetsNation" on Feb 10, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I am definitely in favor of the 80's throwback every now and then
Every other team in the league does it and I would love to see it at least one game a year.
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
me, too
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Just in case they switch to the old helmets...
FEAR THE UNDERLINED “GIANTS”!!!
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
i love that helmet so much
Brooklyn Bound
twitter.com/bmisso8
New York Giants
*SUPER BOWL XLVI CHAMPIONS*
by "NetsNation" on Feb 10, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I hear that
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
the lower case ny is the old one!
Eli is our King!
hahahaha
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Lol - the LT era unis are considered modern compared to what they wear now
The essentially wear throwbacks all the time now
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
This is what I wear when I feel amorous with my wife!
That way, she doesnt know its me, so I have a chance!
by Giant Ken on Feb 11, 2012 12:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is huge!
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
haha
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
wow
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
HA...
Did you make that one?
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
Nope
Just lived it
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I remember you telling us that...
Wow, I wonder how many people shared that horrible situation with you.
Ochocinco could have saved a ton of money if he didn't buy his team mates "Beats by Dre" because they all ended up getting "Beat by Giants"...FOR FREE!!
It's alright, I took off Tuesday instead to experience this
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Crowds?
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
Giants will score 30 (correction 21 (damn FG's/failed 2 pt conversion)) or more points, NE 20 or less. Guess who wins? Take it to the bank!
by Fester McDougal on Feb 10, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and the parade
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
that smile in the camera is very creepy
lol
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a reflection of the dude that was standing in front of me.
Kinda looks like Adam Sandberg
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Andy*
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Feb 10, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Was he talking about the Eagles? Or the Redskins?
“It would be great to look like you’re really smart in the offseason and go out and make a lot of splashy moves so you guys can write nice-going things about our personnel staff,…”
Badabing!
Interesting read
I’m only about halfway through this but it is an article that Michael Lewis (of Moneyball fame) wrote for the New York times about Eli just as he was named starter in 2004.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
One of the better lines from this
The one emotional trait he shares with his older brother is maybe the most important: success is his equilibrium state. He expects it.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Great quote from article
This kid wasn’t like any Accorsi had seen — not in a long time. He was tall — 6-foot-4 at least. He could throw the ball plenty far. He was decisive. He was poised — ridiculously so. He had exquisite feel for the game. But that sterile checklist didn’t begin to capture what caused Accorsi to feel the way he did. ‘’Forget all about the measurables.’’ he says. ‘’When you’re trying to find the difference between the great quarterback and the good quarterback, you have to feel it. The intangibles.’’
This sucks
Only have limited time to spend on BBV. I am being oppressed by "THE MAN" saying the Super Bowl is over,it’s for me to start doing what they pay me to do
lol
New York Giants 2011 Super Bowl Champions = FACT
The NFL will now FEAR THE LOWERCASE ny
by The Always Well Dressed... on Feb 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Okay time to put in some work at least till the draft
Respect all fear none.
by Late for Dinner on Feb 10, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Humph
Football is a year round thing for me, doesn’t matter if there are no games
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 6...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Resse
I’d like to take a moment to personally apologize to you. As your biggest critic and general hater, you brought another championship and that’s all I, as a fan, can ask for.
I’m sorry for all the bad things I’ve said.
-Gerry
G-Mac bitches
BC 2011
Anybody else find it amazing because our coach of the future( who hadn’t done shit with he rams) was signing elsewhere
and how much we could use him instead of coughflin. I’ll admit it, for a while I was on that side thanks for proving me wrong tom
by Gregjonesformvp on Feb 10, 2012 7:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I still belive Reese dropped the ball
This was 50% Eli and 20% Cruz. JR has to do better with the cap. Everyone knew that last year was going to be a crazy year with the cap, but he failed miserably. He’s done well finding players, but his job is more than that. Everyone needs to grow and get better in their professional lives and he’s no.different. He needs to show that he can keep this team together! He’s relatively new to the job and I hope that he xan become more proficient managing the cap. He clearly earned the.opportunity and I hope he becomes the best ever, but for now, I am cautiously optomistic!
by Giant Ken on Feb 11, 2012 12:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i am with you but try to say just one thing to criticize Reese and they get on your throats here. it is a taboo to criticize him.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I know and I ll take my lumps
Im planning to write something up. I am an Eli.guy through and through. We had 2 guys drafted in the first 2 rounds on our roster inthe SB. These othet guys, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Rothlesrapist, ect, get soo much credit, but they all have teams that are built around them, 7+ drafted in the 1st 2 rounds. Crazy!
by Giant Ken on Feb 11, 2012 1:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Will be looking forward to your writeup.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
the team is not perfect
If it was returned with the same 53 guys, it would not be a good offseason. There are improvements to be made, particularly in the middle of the defense and on the offensive line. Some of the current pieces will need to be sacrificed for the good of the team. Mac and Jacobs are the most obvious, although it will hurt to let go of guys that have meant so much to the Giants for so long. Diehl is also on notice.
Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
Philly gets a thinly veiled blockquote
It would be great to look like you’re really smart in the offseason and go out and make a lot of splashy moves so you guys can write nice-going things about our personnel staff, but our goal is to make good football decisions and that’s what we try to do every year," Reese said.
by Step up and make big plays on Feb 12, 2012 3:44 AM EST reply actions
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