When In Doubt, Ask a Pats Fan!(Plus NYG Keys to the Game)
by Middlesex on Feb 1, 2012 8:29 AM EST
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Rematch rematch rematch. If the West Coast doesn't like it I still don't care. The beasts of the East own the airwaves and will duke it out underneath that dome in Indy. Brady will use Peyton's locker. Eli will try to outdo Peyton and Archie. All questions about the games and photographs of the NYG cheerleading-squad should be posted below in the comment section.
A Pats fan's take on what the Giants need to do to win;
Get physical and be disciplined. The TEs, the RBs, the Pats are going to provide help to their OLine against the pass-rush by chipping the pass-rushers. The Pats LBs are likely to be just as physical with the Giants RBs/TEs at the line. Be physical in return, because if you're going to be hit, you might as well hit back first in anticipation. The Giants need to be tough but fluid, fighting back but understanding how best to fight back. Especially after Belichick makes adjustments.
Be stout up the middle. Chris Snee, Tom Coughln's son in law, is going to be seeing a lot of Vince Wilfork lined up at LDE or NT. Am I the only one who thinks Snee's job security is partly secrued by that relationship rather than the level of his play? Wilfork needs to be stopped from pushing the pocket into Eli's face otherwise Eli will be sent scrambling into the shoulderpads of another defender.
Bring pressure up the middle. The weaklink of the Pats OLine is undoubtedly C Dan Connolly. He's helped by having Logan Mankins to his left and Brian Waters to his right. The Tackles of New England are strong and Brady like Eli has great pocket-awareness. Try and bring the pass rush right at Brady, either with speed or by pushing OLinemen back into Brady's face. Don't let him step into the throw.
Play chess against the Pats D. #44, James Ihedigbo, is terrible in coverage. The former Jet S/STer has lately been on for run-plays as the Pats like him in the box. On more obvious passing plays they'll pull him out. If Eli can get him into coverage he should take advantage. We already know he's likely to test DB/WR/KR/PR Julian Edelman.
Win the ground game. The Pats D has been making life miserable for RBs lately. Just ask Ray Rice, who's OLine of ProBowlers couldn't help him much against the Pats Front-7. Now look at New England, sporting a good OLine and going into a game where they'll be likely to run the ball every other snap or so. We know the Giants can rush the passer; now they need to stop the run-game while managing to successfully implement their own .against the Pats Front-7.
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Snee
up to this year, he has been a great, top tier Guard for this team. However, he either regressed some, or he is suffering due to how bad Mackenzie and Baas have played beside him (or maybe a combination of both). However, his relationship with Coughlin being the main reason he has played so long as the starter is a rather ignorant/uneducated opinion.
Snee needs to be key in mitigating Wilfork.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
His level of play this year has been questionable,
and looks to be on a downward trend. Giants are going to need to think about the draft/FA this off-season to up their O-Line all across from tackle to tackle. It’s their biggest weakness.
It is what it is
Beatty shut down Carter last time
Unfortunately he tore his retina, but he’ll be fine
Eli is our King!
IMO
Part of Snee’s down year comes from playing next to K-Mac (who’s play has fallen off a cliff…), and dealing with injury & illness all year. I know one game he was playing through food poisoning and had to have an IV after every offensive series.
Also, losing O’Hara and Suebert has definitely had an effect. Diehl just isn’t a guard anymore, and Baas is just now developing chemistry with the rest of the line (again, injury and lack of consistent reps).
I think it is amazing how everyone talks about the Pats TEs being 45% of their offense.
Anyone thing it’s a bit dangerous? If they are responsible for 45% of the offense that means you can reduce their offense by 45% if you can bottle them up. It’s a tough task, but with 2 weeks to prepare, I don’t think it’s impossible.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Its not easy to do that though.
Whenever a defense bottles up Gronk, Herndo has a great day. When they bottle up Herndo, Gronk seems to have a great day. When teams try and bottle one of our TEs, they are also trying to get rid of welker. So if you want to put all your resources on both TEs, then Brady will throw to welker who would most likely be single covered. And Branch can have a possible big day. Then there is woody and BJGE who can both catch in the flat.
In this game, I view redzone as a great key to this game. i think you guys can limit our offense, but the most important thing is to have us score field goals and not TDs.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I feel that Webster can minimize Branch
But nobody in our defensive backfield can minimize Welker, certainly not Aaron Ross. And Clawfin won’t trust Amukamara for such a key role. Hopefully we can bracket Welker with various LB/S/CB combinations.
And Gronk/Hernandez will come down to our coverage LBs and S …
Frankly, both teams’ defensive backfields are outmanned.
How are the Pats’ LBs in coverage?
I honestly expect the Pats to play mostly base 4-3 nickel and dime
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Pats Lbs are a lot better in coverage then they were ealier in the season (and somewhat later).
With spikes coming back, and going into 3-4, they have much looser coverage responsibilities. Lets see….
Mayo has very good awareness and speed. he is decent in coverage.
Spikes has very good awareness, good game speed. But his awareness in the middle is sort of on par with Mayo’s only slightly better.
Ninko is by far our best cover LB. Good speed, Good awareness, and knows how to get in good position on the ball.
Anderson is untested…. don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing but I think he is mainly rushing the QB anyways.
If I were BB, I would go in sub packages for most of the game. 2-4-5 imo.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
obviously I am less than nothing compared to BB
but I would think they’d rush 4 with Wilfork as 1-3 tech rather than standard 3-man rush. Reason being to mitigate deep threats from the Giants. Wilfork will eat Baas and either guard, leaving a 3-on 3 and mismatches against us.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 1, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I figured Ninko will rush as well if there is little responsibility for him ona given play. Or maybe Spikes will go into the middle.
Either way, BB also knows more than me. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Is Ninko a rush LB?
If he’s the best coverage LB he may be needed over the middle … Edelman may get CB blitz calls due to his potential coverage mismatches. I’ve seen him hit home with those…
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 1, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ninko can rush the QB, cover, and has good insticts on the run.
He is like a Mike Vrabel.
And Edelman is a good cover corner as well. he may be a WR, but when put in as CB he looks like he can be a solid slot corner as well. The guy is a tremendous athlete.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But I expect Mayo and SPikes to take care of the middle.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
so you think all this "whoever Edelman is covering is going to be scoring" talk
is overblown?
2nd question, does he have the speed to keep up with any of our top 3 WRs on a go route?
As always, not implying he doesn’t. I just don’t know.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 1, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
A bit overblown.
He is no slouch at CB. The guy has some of the best tackling form I’ve seen in the patriots defense, and he could stay close to most WRs (based on his measureables and combine numbers). He just needs more experience (less than a season is not the amount that is required). From his play, its good to not underestimate him. He is a decent slot CB, but can potentially be a very good slot CB if BB keeps him playing at that position.
Edelman ran a 4.52. But he is faster than that (I remember that Jerry Rice ran a 4.5 40 time as well). He can keep up with most WRs in the game. Unless your WRs are blazing fast, he should be able to stay stride for stride. But alas, experience, and awareness are both things that are very important, and he is inexperienced in picking either of them up at slot CB.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Nicks and Ham ran about 4.42s, I don't see speed alone being an issue
as much as backpedaling and turning. He will need good instincts. i expects Gilbride will scheme to attack him and exploit whatever weaknesses come up in film.
Tackling is a great point. If the Pats don’t give up the “Giants Special” this year of a modest catch followed by a blown tackle and long TD run, it will go a long way.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 1, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see speed alone being an issue
as much as backpedaling and turning.
He can turn very well, but im not sure about backpedaling. But yeah, if you were to attack any of our Cbs, it would be him if he is on the field.
And yeah, I know you guys have a good reputation of breaking a tackle and going for a TD. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I wouldn't be surprised if Edelman didn't play CB
Our offense isn’t exactly Tim Tebow or Joe Flacco. Forget about scheming, if Eli can move him around (likely), he’ll have throwing lanes and easy looks.
If we do see Edleman it could well be a decoy, where there is safety and LB help looking to jump a route.
Eli is our King!
If you see edelman, then it would probably be in sub packages
or if one of our Corners got injured…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Ok
I just dont think BB will present Eli with that kind of challenge unless he has to.
Eli is our King!
5 DBs are better than 4 I always say.
Unless BB would rather have 4 in of course. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
On his first snap ever at CB, he tore LD Tomelision’s MCL.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 1, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
well,
at least you didnt call him LT
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 1, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, i was going to say the same thing. I hate people calling him LT. I go with LdT (or if I’m being honest Ltd…) I can only image how Giants fans feel about it if it pisses me off this much when people call Tomlinson that.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
yeah,
the 12th-best RB of all time stealing the nickname of the greatest defensive player ever?
That’s LbsT
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Here are all the pics of the NY Giants cheerleaders
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Middlesex
Hard to believe that this is your last, enemy territory, “Ask a Pats Fan” submission of the season – the year has flown right by. I have enjoyed each and every post. Thanks.
The game will be close with the Patriots coming out on top – here’s why:
The Pats hurry-up offense will be very effective – Hernandez will have a huge day – BJGE will rush the football with success – N.E. D line (and Ninkovich) will give the Giant’s backfield fits – No giveaways – N.E. losing two games to the same team in the same season (in the Brady/Belichick) is incredibly rare
Enjoy the game – should be very entertaining
Bold statements there.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
N.E. losing two games to the same team in the same season
Happened last year to the J-E-T-S.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
blains
True – but, the Pats beat them in between… beat ’em real good. I should have been clearer here.
by profootballfan on Feb 1, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
So it's not like 2005 & 2006
Where Denver and Indy knocked them out of the playoffs after beating them in the regular season?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
One drop from practically winning the game against Indy
and yeah…. we just got beat by the Broncos in 05.
In any case, those are just two years. The pats have a pretty amazing record of beating teams who have beat them previously.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I watched that Broncos/Pats playoff game
and remember being INCENSED with the refs… didn’t a Denver player fumbles the ball through the end zone for what should have been a safety and instead it was called a TD?
Truth be told, you’d be hard-pressed to find a bigger Pats supporter here than me. I have watched every one of their games since meeting my wife in ’05, including 1 per year at the game. Love BB and the way those guys build the org. and play football.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I don't support them
but I respect them… Pats are a dynasty, regardless of a lack of recent titles.
I have to...
for 4 years I didn’t bother with a TV in my house. We went to my wife’s parents’ house to watch both games. The common decency rule is, support your family’s teams unless they’re playing against you! So 5 years of watching every game and rooting for them in all but 2… that’s rooting for them in 97 of their past 100 games!
Notice I said “supporter” and not “fan” though, I can’t get it messed up with my big blue brethren
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Were. Not are. Dynasty died in Sept 2008.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
They continue to make the playoffs and are still a shoe in for the playoffs.
They are still a dynasty. It will end when we start loosing more.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No. It died in 2008. Dynasties don’t miss the playoffs and then follow it up with 2 one and done performances.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 2, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
We missed the playoffs despite being tied with the division winner in 08. With Cassel.
2009: Welker injured the game before. We had to rely on rookie QB turned WR in edelman, who was our leading receiver that game.
2010 we were just out coached.
But guess what? We are still a playoff team, we are still a shoe in for the playoffs each year, we have the best QB and the best coach in the NFL, a top 3 offense and a rising defense.
We still have a dynasty. Hell we just broke records this year too.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Major parts of the members of the dynasty retired, left or were traded.
Richard Seymour
Mike Vrabel
Rodney Harrison
Asante Shamuel (barf)
Willie McGen
Teddy Bruschi
Rossie Colvin
A Rising defense is a joke. I know the rebuilding on the defense began in 2009 but it took the 2010 defensive draft class to show results. Butler is a bust. Brace can’t even get on the field over 7th round picks and FA signings in Deadrick and Warren. Tyronn McK didn’t even get on the field.
Dynasties=winning sb’s. Can’t go 7 years with out winning one and still claim they are a dynasty. That’s like saying the Colts and the Steelers are a dynasty during the 2000s.
The dynasty died in 2008 when TB was injured. That team had an easy schedule and could have easily won the AFC title and gotten to the SB with Tom Brady. If they win SBs in this decade, including a back to back title, they will be a dynasty again.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Major parts of the members of the dynasty retired, left or were traded.
Richard Seymour
Mike Vrabel
Rodney Harrison
Asante Shamuel (barf)
Willie McGen
Teddy Bruschi
Rossie Colvin
So what? That doesn’t mean the end of a dynasty. Players left. Okay. The team is still dominating over half of the league still. lol
A Rising defense is a joke. I know the rebuilding on the defense began in 2009 but it took the 2010 defensive draft class to show results. Butler is a bust. Brace can’t even get on the field over 7th round picks and FA signings in Deadrick and Warren. Tyronn McK didn’t even get on the field.
He did get on the field for your information. There is an article on the pulpit that you can look at that says the amount of snaps he took. In any case, butler and brace are sort of busts. But Deadrick, Love, Pryor, Mayo, Chung, Spikes are all not busts are they? lol
The defense is on the rise because I have seen better play from them overall. Last year they were the YOUNGEST defense in the league. Now that they are gaining more experience as a unit, they are playing with more synergy, and confidence. They are getting better. I find it hard to believe they are getting any worse.
Dynasties=winning sb’s. Can’t go 7 years with out winning one and still claim they are a dynasty. That’s like saying the Colts and the Steelers are a dynasty during the 2000s.
We made it to 4 superbowl trips. How many did the colts and steelers get to go? Steelers are a dynasty. Colts…. meh.
Last I heard, we were in the 07 superbowl. 5 years ago. I already talked about the last 3 years, but all you want are superbowls right? Tell me how is there no more dynasty? Does no more superbowls=no more dynasty? Last I checked we just made our 5th one.
So why are they still not a dynasty? They are STILL a top 3 team in the NFL, and they are STILL the #1 team to model after in the NFL. That speaks VOLUMES.
You’re only argument is that they haven’t produced a superbowl in 7 years…okay so hold on… if the dynasty died in 08, and the last superbowl they won was in 04 season… that means there were 4 years of NO SUPERBOWLS that you just let slide?
Why can’t you give them 4 more years after they went to their 4th superbowl? Yeah they lost, but they still made it, and broke records everywhere. And 4 seasons later, they are in their 5th superbowl. How often does a team go through 5 superbowls in 10 YEARS?!
This team is still a dynasty.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
by Jack'sAxe on Feb 2, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So what? That doesn’t mean the end of a dynasty. Players left. Okay. The team is still dominating over half of the league still. lol
Yeah. Dominating without winning a SB. Ain’t different from the Colts. You need to win SB to keep a dynasty going. 7 year lapse w.o winning one means it’s over.
He did get on the field for your information. There is an article on the pulpit that you can look at that says the amount of snaps he took. In any case, butler and brace are sort of busts. But Deadrick, Love, Pryor, Mayo, Chung, Spikes are all not busts are they? lol
Butler is a pure bust. He had one good rookie season, a horrible 2nd year and was cut before he began his 3rd season.
Brace- Pyror got reps over him as a rookie in his 1st year. Played few snaps in his 2nd year. Only game he has played a whopping total of 3 games this season after he got off the PuP.
He can’t even get reps over a 2nd year 7th round pick
I know the selection was taken because they thought Vince would leave via FA in 2010 and they still had not traded Richard Seymour yet whose’s contract expired in 2010.
The defense is on the rise because I have seen better play from them overall. Last year they were the YOUNGEST defense in the league. Now that they are gaining more experience as a unit, they are playing with more synergy, and confidence. They are getting better. I find it hard to believe they are getting any worse.
They are still bad. They are decent in the redzone. Decent in situational football but that’s it.
We made it to 4 superbowl trips. How many did the colts and steelers get to go? Steelers are a dynasty. Colts…. meh.
No. Since 04, they have made it to 2 SBs. Steelers in that span went to 3 SBs. Colts went to 2SBs.
Congrats. You are now equating yourself to Colts fans. They value reg season wins over SB wins.
Also, the Steelers are not a dynasty. One of the prerequisite of a dynasty is to win back to back. They have not done that since the late 70s. They would have been a mini dynasty if they had won SB 45.
Last I heard, we were in the 07 superbowl. 5 years ago. I already talked about the last 3 years, but all you want are superbowls right? Tell me how is there no more dynasty? Does no more superbowls=no more dynasty? Last I checked we just made our 5th one.
5 years ago was an eternity. Just because you go 14-2 and proceed to go one and done doesn’t make it a successful year. A successful year in my eye is at least a SB appearance or a win.
If you are happy with a 14-2 season and an one and done, congrats, you are no different from Colts fans.
Tell me how is there no more dynasty? Does no more superbowls=no more dynasty? Last I checked we just made our 5th one.
Well for one, only 7 players remain from the 07 roster.
2) The fact that even Bill Belichick, ripped down all the pictures from 01-09 and said it was a new beginning. This is a completely difference team.
You’re only argument is that they haven’t produced a superbowl in 7 years…okay so hold on… if the dynasty died in 08, and the last superbowl they won was in 04 season… that means there were 4 years of NO SUPERBOWLS that you just let slide?
Wut?
Most of the dynasty roster was intact in 06 and 07. They were a 1 min close to getting to a SB in 2006. They were 38 seconds close to winning it in 2007.
Why can’t you give them 4 more years after they went to their 4th superbowl? Yeah they lost, but they still made it, and broke records everywhere. And 4 seasons later, they are in their 5th superbowl. How often does a team go through 5 superbowls in 10 YEARS?!
This team is still a dynasty.
They broke records because even Bill knew the majority of that dynasty roster were getting older and the chance of winning a SB were getting slim. Heck, he even said it yesterday, that he had realized he needed to replenish the defense after the 06 season.
That’s why they traded for Moss. That’s why they traded for Wes. That’s why they signed Adiulus Thomas.
They lost the 2008 season because of that injury to Brady. In 09 they had a crappy season and followed it with a crappy performance at home to the Ravens.
In 2010 season, the team surprised a lot of people with a 14-2 season and followed it with an one and done performance over a team they had plastered 4 weeks earlier with a glorious 45-3 beatdown on national tv.
How often does a team go through 5 superbowls in 10 YEARS?!
The Bills went to 4 straight SBs. They won 4 straight AFC titles. Does that make them a dynasty? Hell No.
This team is a brand new team. Bill has started fresh on defense and on offense. It started when they got rid of all the pictures on the wall from 00-09 season.
They basically replaced almost all the starters on defense. On offense, they got two stellar TEs.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 3, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
ok, you're right
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
ok really? Your equating to who the players are on the roster? Even players like seymour, mcginiest, harrison, have to move on/retire. They can't stay forever.
Oh yeah, this is all I need.
A successful year in my eye is at least a SB appearance
5 in 10 years. 5 superbowl appearances in 10 freakin years. With player personnel swapping, Brady getting injured, a young and upcoming defense (and it HAS noticeably improved. I don’t tell people they are blind often but you are blind if you do not see their improved play).
All those superbowl appearences. so that’s 5/10 successful years. More than any other team in the NFL. Pats=Dynasty still. As long as BB and Brady are their, they are a top echelon team.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Definition of dynasty
A succession of people from the same family who play a prominent role in a certain field.
Last time I checked, almost most of that “family” are gone. It’s filled with players who have not won a Superbowl.
5 in 10 years. 5 superbowl appearances in 10 freakin years.
No SB wins since 2004. It’s been 8 years.
With player personnel swapping, Brady getting injured, a young and upcoming defense (and it HAS noticeably improved. I don’t tell people they are blind often but you are blind if you do not see their improved play).
It has improved but it’s like going from D- to maybe a C minus.
All those superbowl appearences. so that’s 5/10 successful years. More than any other team in the NFL. Pats=Dynasty still. As long as BB and Brady are their, they are a top echelon team.
It’s an impressive feat but the dynasty died in 2008.
Dynasty in the modern NFL era is hard to due. Why? because of salary cap. Teams steal all your players and you can’t afford to keep some of the rosters.
Dynasties= Superbowl wins. There has only been 2 modern dynasties since the FA was introduced in the early 90s. Cowboys and the Pats.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 3, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Your not making any sense.
You equate a successful year when you make a superbowl appearence (pretty high standards if you ask me but whatever). They made 5 in 10 years.
A succession of people from the same family who play a prominent role in a certain field.
Oh. Family as in the patriots? Because obviously Seymour’s son won’t automatically pop up. Listen, people come and go, but new ones fill in their position, and take their place in our “family.” This is still a dynasty. The family is the Patriots, and the patriots are still running stronger than any team in the nfl.
No SB wins since 2004. It’s been 8 years.
Oh boo hoo. How often do teams even make APPEARENCES in the superbowl? how many teams consistently makes the playoffs and is top 3 every year? Um yeah…. not many.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
You can argue in circles but for a dynasty to sustain it’s self, it needs championships.
8 years is a long time. This team is not a part of that dynasty from 01-08. Heck, even Bill Belichick agrees with me. That’s why he ripped all the pictures from that era and painted the wall and wanted a new era.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 4, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
This is what you said
A successful year in my eye is at least a SB appearance
It has been at least 5 years since our 1st superbowl appearance. and who knows what would have happened if Brady didnt get injured in 08, or if welker didn’t go down in 09. In 2010 the entire team was basically young, but whatevs.
Dynasties need consistent championship caliber teams. And the pats have consistently put out championship caliber team more than anyone in the NFL. I’m sorry if that is not enough for you, but that is a dynasty sir. And now the pats are in their 5 superbowl appearance in 10 years. I don’t think it has ended at all. It had its downs but nothing major enough to say that the pats dynasty is all over.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Erh. I said A successful year in my eye is at least a SB appearance. Yeah for a normal non dynasty team.
Dynasty teams sustain themselves with championships. We did not.
and who knows what would have happened if Brady didnt get injured in 08, or if welker didn’t go down in 09. In 2010 the entire team was basically young, but whatevs
Would have, should have and could have.
Dynasties need consistent championship caliber teams.
No. Dynasties need consistent championships to sustain it’s self. Dynasties in fact are short term.
And the pats have consistently put out championship caliber team more than anyone in the NFL.
Guess you forgot that the Steelers, Packers, cowboys and the 49ers have more Titles than the Patriots?
’m sorry if that is not enough for you, but that is a dynasty sir.
No. You seem to ignore the fact that the Patriots dynasty hasn’t won a SB in 7 years.
I don’t think it has ended at all. It had its downs but nothing major enough to say that the pats dynasty is all over.
Had it downs..like not winning a SB in 7 years??
I would change my stance if the 2009-2010 seasons didn’t result in an one and done performance.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 4, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Read my last piece first.
Erh. I said A successful year in my eye is at least a SB appearance. Yeah for a normal non dynasty team.
Dynasty teams sustain themselves with championships. We did not.
We did 4/9 seasons. Better than your average joe wouldn’t you say?
No. Dynasties need consistent championships to sustain it’s self. Dynasties in fact are short term.
No. Dynasties need dominant play and multiple appearences in the superbowls. Yeah, winning them is huge. We won 4/9 seasons. Pretty damn good I think.
Would have, should have and could have.
Yep. We could have probably been in another superbowl.
No. You seem to ignore the fact that the Patriots dynasty hasn’t won a SB in 7 years.
So what? they have been to two more (and they could win one of them). which is more than most teams in the NFL, and considering what had happened to them from 2008-2009 (both seasons) thats still pretty damn good.
I would change my stance if the 2009-2010 seasons didn’t result in an one and done performance.
woah woah woah. So if they one ONCE in the playoffs, and then lost (if only welker was in that playoff game….), THEN you would consider them a dynasty? Your logic is completely flawed. First its “superbowl or bust” and now its “well if they DID win that one game THEN I would change my stance.”
This is unbelievable. lol
Okay, anyways. I know what you are saying, but you need to understand something. A team becomes a dynasty when they do start winning superbowls. That dynasty ENDS, when they are no longer becoming a good threat to go to the superbowl. When the team is starting anew.
They are still a threat to go to the superbowl, and they are not starting anew. keep in mind this team was built from Brady, BB, and the defense. The defense left because they were getting old, and a couple were traded although they were also old. If there is anything starting anew, it’s the defense, but they really didn’t have any other choice. But hey:
1) They are still a threat to go to the big one
2) they got BB and Brady still. The MAIN foundations of this team. No… the main foundations of this DYNASTY.
Last 7 years were tough. But most dynasties spend at least a couple years before they head to the superbowl again, and in the superbowl, anything can happen. Like 2 years later after their last superbowl win, they were one freakin’ weird ass catch, and one missed INT from winning it all, and going 19-0. THAT close. And the next couple years have to be taken into account of the circumstances that I listed as good reasons why they didn’t go further than the first round. 2010 they were just beat in the playoffs. It happens.
5 years later from their last superbowl appearance, the patriots still host one of the most dangerous offenses in the league, an upcoming defense (that deserves a B. I know you’re a stat guy, but I can see the improvement in their play ever since they got healthy and went back into the 3-4), and are now in their 5 superbowl title out of 10 years.
Could their dynasty end in 08? You can make an okay argument. But in all honesty you have to look at the bigger picture. yes superbowls are the only thing that matters, but there is more to a season than that to look at. The patriots are the most successful team in the NFL in a decade, and they are still going strong. Has their dynasty ended? Not unless Brady and BB leave. THEY are the foundation of our dynasty. Our defense was just a part of that. And unless either one of them leaves, I can safely say that the patriots dynasty ends.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
As I said - its rare.
What’s even rarer is the Patriots losing three meetings in row to the same team – its never happened. Maybe the Giants will continue to buck the odds, I say it’ll be very tough to do so.
by profootballfan on Feb 1, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is it rare cause Miami - Buffalo and the Jets have so routinely stunk
Perhaps the rarity isn’t a measure of Pats dominance but of divisional weakness
Eli is our King!
by trueblue63 on Feb 1, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
how about outside of the division?
the other 10 games I mean? :P
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
How often do you play teams that aren't in your division twice
We did it this year in the playoffs, but I’d say those are the only games that should be considered.
Three meetings in a row, so we’re going to make a stat that references back to a Pats team from 2008. Yeah that stat has exactly zero credibility.
Eli is our King!
What Im saying is is that
the pats beat 10 other teams. Yeah, the Jets were good for a couple years, but all the other years, we still had to play at least 10 teams in the regular season. Then you add teams in the playoffs since we make the playoffs almost every year. SO that’s at least 11 teams that are OUTSIDE of our weakish division. We beat at least 5 out of those 10/11.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Profootballfan said
What’s even rarer is the Patriots losing three meetings in row to the same team – its never happened. Maybe the Giants will continue to buck the odds, I say it’ll be very tough to do so.
What I’m saying is losing three in a row where the first and last game is separated by 4 years is in no way a valid statistical conclusion. It probably will be a tough game, but I don’t think the knowledge from 2008 will help those 8-12 guys that are still with the Pats. Flawed nonsense stats annoy me, so I often shoot them down.
Eli is our King!
What I’m saying is losing three in a row where the first and last game is separated by 4 years is in no way a valid statistical conclusion
I agree.
It probably will be a tough game, but I don’t think the knowledge from 2008 will help those 8-12 guys that are still with the Pats. Flawed nonsense stats annoy me, so I often shoot them down.
And I completely agree as well. I suppose I was arguing something different…. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Yes, because imo this game should be very close. your making it to be a blowout. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No he said close
Just that we won’t be able to stop anything you do or score
Sounded a bit like some Packers fans
Eli is our King!
oh no you didn't go there
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
And you don't go there (APC)
Your mere appearance might be enough to set off round 235453 of that back and forth war.
Shirley you just
I have been a model of decorum since my release. There were like 3 vile angry babies over there who just couldn’t take me at face value despite my politeness.
Did you know Pats Pulpit banned me for asking for a link to watch online (before I knew that was verboten)
I re-read the thread and the mod was like, “If you ask again, you’ll be given a warning - ask after that and it’s a ban”
So I did not ask after that and they went straight to ban anyway.
Oh well!
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
You could always email him.
Greg is a great guy. He’ll understand.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
ha!
That’s exactly what I did. I did not get a reply, and then this, from Marima:
From what I understand, Managing Editor Greg Knopping banned you after other sites complained about your trolling on their blogs. If you want to be unbanned, you’ll have to take it up with Greg
so apparently, it was a pre-emptive ban for superbowl hype weeks. Equally unfortunate and silly.
I guess, since I truly have no dislike for the Pats players & org., maybe I can cling to this as some reason to have any animosity during the game!
Thanks for your thoughts over here, btw, it’s been great.
Good luck on Sunday.
Good afternoon,
first, congrats on the win. My wife’s father is a Pats season ticket holder and she’s a die-hard fan. He sends us to a game every year. So I watched with her and that was a great, exciting win.
I visited Pats Pulpit today and was surprised when the window popped up “you have been banned.”
I can’t remember the last time I visited your site, but i don’t remember anything bad happening. Can you possibly tell me if there was a mistake, or what caused me to be banned? If you find something would you link me to it?
I know you’re probably busy (and hung over today!) with the playoffs and all, but I’m a good fan and would love to be able to be a part of the dialogue. If I did something to offend, I apologize.
Phil Medeiros — user name “Simms-McConkey”
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
funny thing about this is
she’d have to be talking about 4 weeks ago with the Packers fans — where I did NOT get banned. There were about 3 really vulgar cursing maniacs over there who, whatever I said (I never swore or insulted anyone) would respond with “get the f* out” and all kinds of nastiness.
Maybe it’s something to do with the color green?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'll talk with him. Would you like to talk on pats pulpit though?
Superbowl is a bit away, so I don’t know if it’s too late or not for me to really put in a word for you…..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
That's very kind of you,
I would appreciate it if you would do that after the Superbowl.
If the Patriots win, you could mention it any time. I would certainly extend my congrats.
If the Giants win, I’ll get in touch with you around draft time, since nobody would want to hear anything from a Giants fan anyway!
If you can, drop me a line, my email is in my profile. That way I can email you at the appropriate time so you don’t have to remember.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Okay. I'll see what I can do.
May I ask why you were banned from other sites (if you were)? It may help me in terms of providing detail.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
If I get this correctly,
I was banned from the Eagles blog because after the Giants broke the Eagles 7-game win streak, I posted a condolence card from Google images, “Sorry for your loss.”
On the other hand, I get along great with the guys at the Cowboys blog.
I got the quick boot at the Jets site for saying, tongue-in-cheek, that the Jets were the best team in New York and that Sanchez was better than Eli.
A few years ago, when I joined BBV, I was a bit of an asshole. This is my first (and only) online community. I had no idea what a “troll” was, or any of the standard decorum things. I got banned from BBV and some other places for laughing at people or generally being a douche. That was in 2008.
Ed let me back in here on the promise to talk nice, which he, or Jim or Brian can tell you, I have made good on.
As far as being banned on BGN and GGN, what can I say. These guys have a hair trigger for sarcasm after a loss. I don’t think it’s really a shock that the two most hated rivals would ban me. That’s why I mention the Blogging the Boys. Those guys are cool.
It’s also why I mentioned, it’s probably not worth bringing up soon after if the Giants win, at least not for a while! I realize that some people view our 2 franchises as rivals, but given my unique family situation, that’s not the case for me.
I would only hope that Greg could look at the history of all the comments I have ever made at PP and see that I have always been supportive of the Patriots and never been rude to anyone there.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well I sent him an email.
If he doesn’t want to unban you, there really is nothing I can do. Don’t be too hard on him though. He’s a really great guy.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I would guess
that with the craziness of the next few days, he won’t have any time to deal with one guy’s plight when he has thousands of site visitors to take care of. So, I’ll maybe remind him in April. Thanks for the positive reference.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well there is nothing I can do.
Sorry man, I wish you luck if you are going to attempt to email him again. =/ Plus I don’t think I should disclose anything that we said in the email. All I can say is good luck. =/
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
hey it's like they say
give a man a little power and you see his true colors. Sounds like he was a real db to ya, and I apologize. That’s why I suggested you wait until at least after the SB and if not until the draft.
Anyway, their loss, not mine. I have a wife, a father-in-law, and a brother-in law, and cousins who live and die by the Pats, if I ever want to talk football. I’ll keep going to their games at Gillette, and I’ll keep supporting the team 63 out of 64 games. Keep coming around, you’ve got a remarkable grasp of the game for such a young kid, and we appreciate the info you bring!
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't being a db to me. He was reasonable.
He is a really great guy. And yeah thanks for the compliment. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Don’t worry. It’s not your loss. It ain’t a great site.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 3, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
lol that's why last time we checked it was rated in the top 5 sb nation websites?
lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
No it’s not.
a) ArrowHead Pride
b) Blogging the Boys.
c) Buffalo rumblings.
d) The Phinsider
e) Bleeding green Nation
f) Big blue View.
Those are in terms of hits.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 4, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
link?
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Look at their page hits (bottom tab green icon) and their comments.
I do not visit the pats site. I go to another popular pats blog that actually has tons of comments even during the off seasons).
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 4, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
oh okay, I see.
I find it hard to believe its not a great site. So far everyone has nothing else but great things to say about it, and how great we have been with being good debaters and bloggers.
In any case though, they were top 5 a season ago. I remember on of our site guys posting up the numbers. Perhaps I may be mistaken about it being a season ago, but i do remember within at LEAST 3 years that the site has been top 5.
And Richard hill is just plain Boss. imo the best analyst around.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
And I'll let you have the last comment here Revenge.
Superbowl is later today, and Ima not be in a debating mood. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But those certainly aren’t the top six in quality. (except Big Blue View…great site)
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I looked at them....
Dont know if they are top six but they had more page views than pats pulpit so far…. recently… lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
LOL
I remember you from APC. I’m not a fan of trolling but I kinda found your subtle trolling of Packer fans to be hilarious.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
?
Find me a swear, an insult, or a demeaning comment about the packers team or org. and I’ll mail you a crisp 20.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
You weren’t doing that but you were still commenting on their blog after they lost. It’s a tat subtle trolling but barely.
I did enjoy it though. Most of APC fans are basically Joe Pa apologists.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Feb 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
well, take it as you will
if, “good game, the future is bright for your team” is trolling than call me Shrek.
They were real entitled sore losers, though.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
And people
say BBV is heavy handed… we may warn a lot, but we give you every chance to come around and post within our rules before going the ban route.
Our site owner has his reasons.
He told me them, but seeing as I don’t believe in telling what people have said behind their backs, I’m not going to go in specifics. He was banned for a good reason. Although I would unban him if I was site owner, everyone has their preferences.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Jack
Blowout ?? I said “the game will be close with the Patriots coming out on top”. Where’dya get blowout from that ?
The final score will be 24 -20 New England – the game will be close.
what trueblue said
Just that we won’t be able to stop anything you do or score
^ what you basically implied.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I stated that the Pats will win a close one
I gave six reasons why I feel N. E. will beat N.Y. on Sunday and proclaimed that the game (the score) would be close.
I didn’t say the Giants wouldn’t score and I didn’t mean to imply that the Giants wouldn’t be able to “stop anything”.
Close game – Pats win – I feel good about this thing
by profootballfan on Feb 3, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t mean to imply that the Giants wouldn’t be able to "stop anything".
Okey Doke. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Nice post...Good analysis...Jack in the Beanstalk..(That's my fond nickname for you)
Seriously you pretty much laid out what needs to happen…I have the G-men 38-24..Eli is going to break Simms SB record, and our receivers will also have record days…
I don’t think Gronk will be very effective..which is unfortunate because I’d much prefer seeing a team full-strength when we beat them….
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Sssssshhh!!!...Secret weapon!!!..LOL!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I think
The Pats will win in a close one. I cant get myself to root for the Giants as the game gets closer, some of their fans rubbed it in our face too much. Go Patriots.
by Gjennings85 on Feb 1, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They're not nearly as bad as some of the other NFC-East fans.
Dallas and Philly fans are FAR worse.
It is what it is
Oh yeah.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Heck...
Patriots fans are FAR worse. Not necessarily on these forums, but in general.
"If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless."
--Woody Paige
Oakland Raiders, New York Giants, Los Angeles Lakers, Anaheim Angels... and Quentin Tarantino.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Feb 1, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Tarantino is awesome!!!
But hey… there are some bad pats fans, but most teams have bad fans. You’ll find most patriot fans to be classy (I haven’t met any obnoxious pats fans yet). I Think it may be because the pats coach and the players themselves try to stay as humble as possible, and it rubs off on to most pats fans…. but there are obnoxious ones I’m sure.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
he's a raiders fan,
not a Giants fan
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know.
I seen him on the Raider’s blog. :P
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
All I'm saying is
thank God that 10 years ago, during Raiders at Pats, the officials officiating that game understood the rules.
It is what it is
Pats have a lot of front runners/ band wagon fans, they are often troublemakers
No fault of the guys who have been rooting for them forever. We’ve got our own bandwagon crews. Preseason the Jets were all the rage.
Eli is our King!
Bandwagon fans?
Im sorry, but the pats were good since the 90’s. I don’t think there are a lot of bandwagon fans today. Kids don’t count as bandwagon fans by the way.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But yeah, Im sure there are bandwagon fans. Just I don't think there are a lot though.
But this cannot be debated. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Living in NYC
In the 80s when the Niners were good you’ld see their gear everywhere, then it was the Cowboys, then the Pack. Some people just want to root for a winner. Meh it’s their deal. I’ve just noticed that those guys are the fastest to get into a snit.
Eli is our King!
At least we're not the Eagles fans haha
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 1, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
i have seen many band wagon fans that started supporting Pats during their undefeated run.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Of course there would be a bunch of bandwagon fans.
When YOUR team goes on an undefeated run, you’ll see some bandwagon giants fans popping up too.
BUt there are a lot of fans before that.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
My original comment wasn't about the quantity of fans
It was about where the fans that make trouble come from. People that have followed a team thru good and bad are usually less likely to be insulting. You remember when your team stank.
Eli is our King!
No I wasn't alive. lol
I started rooting for the pats in 06, but my dad says I rooted for the pats before that. Right now I am 20 years old.
But I am also a Raider’s fan. So I know what loosing is like. In any case though, I know a lot of pats fans who are just like me. You just have to be logical, which is not easy, but logic and reason can be developed in terms of fanhood if you talk to the right people.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
But 06 to now has had plenty of heartbreak for the Pats
I guarantee you there are thousands of Pats fans that started following the team after they won 5 straight
Giants picked up tons o fans after GB
It’s all good, I can go back and forth all day, but the baby insults, turn me off. And when people get snotty with guys I like on BBV, I can get a bit testy.
Eli is our King!
And I should have said I was YOUNG, not "not alive." lol woops
yes thousands is reasonable. Compared of the many many more pats fans that were fans of the team since Grogan and the 90’s.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I think you got caught in the mix of things
I thought Pats fans in 2007 were pretty cocky, but it was nothing near what I saw from several Packers fans who talked is if their team was the first to win 15 games in a season.
You, and numerous other Packers fans, were not a part of that group, but I mean, I’m a pretty reasonable guy, but I don’t know how to reason with Packers fans that took offense to me (and others) suggesting that the game would be close, not even predicting a Giant win.
So, to me, when you predict a three score victory for your team and then get beaten by three scores, you take it on the chin and have a nice day. Not to say that it was you Gjennings, just explaining my feelings toward some Packer fans (the ones who came out immediately and said the better team lost).
The loudest ones make everyone around them look bad despite being a minority, for any fan base in any sport. The notable exceptions include Jets fans, fans of any Philly team, and the Cowboys fans that have never been within a thousand miles of Dallas.
by Max Schwager on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I can't agree enough
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Giant fans
I know there are some classy Giant fans out there so dont take offense to my comment.
Appreciate that..You won't ever get any junk from us veteran fans...
APC had some junk being passed also..The problem stems from the young kids on these fan sites..that stir the bullshit soup-pot, many of whom weren’t even born when we started rooting for our teams..Me? 50 years Giant fan…Also alot of the true fans don’t even bother having a computer and signing up on these sites…So to all you young kids..I don’t care who you think you root for..Show some respect…For other fans and the great sport of football..the worst are on BGN..The loser.com of the net…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
And that's why sites such as these (and not nfl.com...)
are a great way to teaching people of all ages to think like a smart football fan. lol
of course there are…… well BGN sites…
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
"So to all you young kids..I don’t care who you think you root for..Show some respect."
Says the all-time king of painfully unfunny dick and fart jokes. Ok, Bobbi. Ok.
"If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless."
--Woody Paige
Oakland Raiders, New York Giants, Los Angeles Lakers, Anaheim Angels... and Quentin Tarantino.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Feb 1, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know what he means though.
But kids nowadays are smarter than we give them credit for (hell I was a kid a mere 3 years ago in terms of age standards…. still kind of act like one). In football standards, we just have to steer them down the right path, and enlighten them. :P
Respect is part of that path of course.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I'll always be a kid at heart...I love interacting with the young fans and goofing around with them...
I just draw the line when it comes to insulting someone, is all..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
100% agree.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
you're 21?
damn, kid, you’ve got a helluva mind for football!
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
20. XD
And thank you. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
19 and counting
Good to know that there’s others from my age group out there that love and appreciate this sport as much as I do
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 3, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Shweet! lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Sorry if you don't like my jokes...haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
by Bobbiblue on Feb 1, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is the longest dang ID I ever saw..LOL!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
he should just change it
to “Raiders fan”
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't take any offense
I have been to your site, I don’t think I commented, to read your posts. You guys at ACME know a lot about the x’s and o’s and I do learn a lot.
On a serious and Fartless note...
The key for the Patriots is to protect Brady and to be able to run the football..Both teams need to keep the QBs on the sideline watching, and eat of the clock..Obviously turnovers and penalties as always need to be kept at a minimum. Either QB, given time will torch the opposing team..for the Pats..Gronks status is a factor..as is JWill on the Giants..He’s our speedy LB..so his status is also a factor..The Giants can be run on..they’ve done well the last five game but I’m still suspect..That’s the only way Brady stays upright..If the Pats can’t get the run going it will be a long night for Tom..If the Giants can’t stop the running game we’re in for a long night..A classic battle of the two teams that deserve to be in the SB..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Something seems very off about Gronk
If he was healthy enough to play a significant role in the offense BB would have just said he was healthy from the get-go.
Not saying he won’t play (Freeny did…so will Gronk).
Just speculating, those torn ligament rumors are probably true.
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
BB actually wouldn't say anything other than "He is progressing well."
He likes to leave his opponents guessing. lol
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
At first I thought it was typical Bill B....but he wouldn't not have one of key..
Players miss practice all week to use him as a ploy…If I hear he’s practicing today then we’ll know he’ll be in the game..The big risk is that the only way to tackle that guy is low..just like our Jacobs..which means that ankle may not hold up at all…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Either that
or they are going for the Craig T. nelson tv show Coach fake out… when he was in a bowl game against his mentor coach, and had his starting QB fake an injury before the game, and then return during the game to win it all.
ha! "Craig T Nelson -- clap clap clapclapclap"
Gronk will be in there and play well. TC and the boys are planning on that. If he’s not feeling 100%, you can flip his numbers with hernandez’ usual output and net the same result.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'd say not so much
The Pats offense is a lot like ours. The reads and reactions get guys open as much as any individual skill. So if Gronk has lost his ability to cut hard or explode upfield, he canbe covered by Boley or J Will or a safety. That means that motioning him will not create the reveals it would have in a 2 TE set. That’s a major change.
The above shouldn’t be construed that all is lost for the Pats without Gronk, it’s just that if he can’t bring it, it helps our D more than a little.
Eli is our King!
I'll leave all the match-ups and strengths vs weaknesses
to you guys that know more about football than I do. I just watch the game and cheer when good things happen for my team and swear when bad things happen. The only trend I really seem to pick up on is that turnovers ruin all the pregame analysis and affect the outcome of the game more than anything else. Oh, and I pay attention to Bobbi’s final score prediction because he is pretty spot on. (he may not get the score right, but he gets the winner right).
Based on recent history
I expect neither team to get exactly what they want. It’s why the games between them are exciting
Eli is our King!
This game.
Im worried about the run. Bjge is big and he never fumbles. If they can run it will set up play action. This can keep our offense off the field and shorten the game. Sort of a 1990 supebowl approach. Also hides their supposed weakness which is the defense by playing ball control. Not sure if it works, but it scares me.
Nothing to be fraid of
You don’t expect a total collapse do you?
Eli is our King!
Their ability to run is a key factor...
Our defense has done well the past 5 games against the run..but they can’t have a let down there..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Us too
It has to be a credible threat, these are pocket passers, 4 qtrs of pass rush is hard to block
Eli is our King!
The ability to run and play defense
have decided all 45 Superbowls prior to this one (with the exception of “the Blunder Bowl” – except that was the ugliest title game ever played so it gets a pass)
Their execution and importance is paramount.
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 3, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
thats usually because the teams that have gotten there play very good pass defense
then your offense has to run the ball effectively to win
Eli is our King!
The run?
Worrying about NE running the ball is like the capt of the Titanic worrying about whether he’s changed the oil in his engines.
On their side of the ball, if they win, it’ll be because of Brady.
On our side of the ball, we faced superior run games from Atl and SF.
My hyperbole above being in jest, I recognize we need to get the Pats in third and long situations, and you do that in part by stopping the run. I just don’t think it’s going to dictate the outcome.
Ah, but if we run successfully it WILL dictate the outcome. ;)
If not then well…. that will also dictate the outcome because then you force us to be one dimensional.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Haha!!..yeah rather strange isn't it?..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I know there is no love
Between the Pack and Giants. I notice especially more this year the hatred has risen more.
I don't think there is any hatred between the teams
You’ve got to go back to the 1960’s for any sort of meaningful history between the teams. Recent years we’ve played a few times, it’s been one good team against another. Green Bay is no different to us than New Orleans or even New England. Just another playoff team in the way. We’ve got more history with Minnesota from 10-15 years ago.
There were a few feelings hurt a few weeks ago. Giants fans are going to defend their team when they are being predicted to lose by 20-30 points. That’s old news now. Water under the bridge. Except for that ref. We will remember his name.
2012 NYG mock - 1: Janoris Jenkins CB, 2: Kevin Zeitler G, 3: A.J. Jenkins, WR, 4: Neiko Thorpe S, 5: Vick Ballard RB, 6: Rishard Matthews WR, 6: some random LB, 7: BPA
I don't know..What I do know is I have always admired the Packers...
I still have a vivid memory of Bart Starr sneaking it in to beat the Cowboys in “The Ice Bowl”..One of the best games I ever watched….
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Giants fans in general
have a great respect for the Packers’ organization and history. I think the Packers did pretty well in our “hate game”.
It just so happens that in the last 5 years, we have met 3 times in “ticket to the SB” matches. Yeah, I know the Pack beat us in the reg. season but it effectively ended our playoff hopes and GB totally trampolined off the Giants’ collective face to the SB.
about 3 guys from APC were just horrific in their cursing, personally attacking attitude toward visitors to the site, and a handful mroe were so goddam cocky it rubbed a lot of us the wrong way. But you have to remember APC/BBV politics represent about 2% of fandom. So, I’d say there’s a bit of natural competitiveness from the past 5 years, but underlying that is decades of deep respect.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
oh and don't say "go pats" at BBV!
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
You should remember
A lot of the low key guys don’t roam over to enemy territory. For me it’s usually not worth the trouble. So you often get guys that want to stir it up a bit. But there is always going to be a bit of tension when you get to the divisional round of the playoffs.
Eli is our King!
Would you
Want Edelman lining up on you if you were playing WR?
Been listening to a lot of WEEI lately (what I do when I’m behind enemy lines), and I’m a bit surprised that Pats fans seem to be brushing off Gronk’s ankle sprain as if he’ll be 100%.
Are you guys worried about certain changes from the first meeting (out goes Carter, in comes Edelman and 1/2 of a Gronk)?
I think Carter is the one significant player nobody talks about that is missing from the earlier Giants/Pats contest.
The one player I am worried most is about Ocho. I feel like Belichick, as evil as he is, would go as far as to have kept him under the radar all season for this one game, limiting the amount of film.
Our defense has improved greatly since then. It would help having Carter but they are still good.
And edelman has been a nice surprise, and an upgrade over the other guy who had his role: Nate Jones.
With Gronk’s possible limited snaps, I expect to see more Ocho.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I am a little concerned about Ocho..This could be his day to have a break-out game...
So the Giants can’t fall asleep on that guy..The word I have on him is he has had a tough time learning the offense..He can still catch a football, however…I wouldn’t be surprised if they have devised a more simplified set of plays to get him the ball..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
go routes to stretch the field
open it up for the real receivers, welk, branch, gronk, hernz… but don’t sleep on those deep routes, if he beats his man Brady will put that ball between the Ocho and the Cinco
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Ocho has had an issue with the routes
but it was moreso that Branch just saw more snaps than him because Brady still probably prefers Branch>Ocho. If Ocho got the amount of time Branch has, some of us thought (based on some recent and very small performances) Ocho would out-play Branch. We see him open a lot but Brady hadn’t really look to him. Perhaps it’s not necessarily routes, although our entire offense is option based, but probably chemistry.
Ocho’s father recently died (sometime before the Ravens game) and if he plays, I don’t know how he’ll be. Probably he’ll play for his father and Myra, or maybe he just won’t be into it at the current time. he is the very definition of a question mark. We don’t know what will happen with him (although we do think he’ll be in the offseason competing with Branch. Loser probably gets cut).
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
I can't say enough good things about Branch..He's one of my favorites...
He’s a clutch player…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Eli and Brady are anticipation passers
When they see a guy that they expect to get open, they start throwing the ball
OcHo, for whatever reason, doesnt follow the script. He doesn’t make the cut EXACTLY as its drawn up. So Brady just doesn’t know where he’s going to be, and doesn’t feel comfortable. We’ve had the same issue with some guys.
Eli is our King!
Yeah..
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Honestly, I'll be shocked if Edelman is actually playing the slot.
I think the Pats are playing it up to keep the Giants confident.
It is what it is
I'd be surprised also..Got to give him credit though..Not too many players can play both sides..
Of the ball anymore..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
in your day they all did
and wore leather helmets
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha!!!..I'm not quite that old Simms!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
he is starting to be our Troy Brown.
A major fan favorite. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Media more so than the Pats playing it up
Neither of our teams coaches say much
Eli is our King!
Im a little bitter
At the Giants for 2007 and this year. I have to root for the Pats to win to humble some of those Giant fans on You tube, Espn sites that were rubbing it in our face.
You actually read the comments on ESPN?
That’s just ASKING for trouble.
hell, just the “articles” are full of facepalm.
Except Mike Reiss. :)
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
c'mon man!
wrong place! I’m sure they’d love your support at Pats Pulpit!
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
That's okay
We’re still bitter about your phantom TD in the first Giants / Packers game and your phantom fumble in the second Giants / Packers game.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
"Let’s go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun!" - The one and only LT
Why would anyone care who someone else roots for?
If rooting for the Pats does it for you, that’s great. Am I supposed to be all weepy about that? I don’t get it (why you’re out here posting it, not why you’re rooting for them)
Eli is our King!
No Go Giants
Trueblue Im on your side tommorow. I will take off my cheesehead though lol.
Giant fans
I really dont want to lump you guys in with those fans on Espn and other boards. You guys seem cool. There is a little hard feelings though cause you guys wrecked our season now twice. It hurts, it honestly stings but I still find it hard to hate you guys cause you do have some good fans.
I've seen this comment like 3 times now
it’s just football.
there are some serious Aholes out there, and there are some pretty knowledable guys. in our fans base and all over the place.
don’t feel bad. You’re allowed to root for whoever you want.
and for the record, when it comes to ESPN….Giants Fans > all other bEast fans
Fire Fewell
It always boils down to which team shows up and wants it the most...
We had seven stinkers this year…They stunk so bad my beer got warm even though I had it on ice…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
i see we've touched on Edelman above
But seriously, didn’t Belichick cut actual corners? No matter how crappy, I don’t really understand how a converted WR in the middle of the season in the middle of the year is better than someone who’s played that position for a long time.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
"touched on Edelman"
But who did Edelman touch on?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
stare into the creepy, soulless eyes
you realize that Wes Welker had to spend a night underground in the Pet Sematary in order to produce this guy, right?
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Bodden was being a distraction
because he wanted to be a “starter corner.”
But thats the only corner he really cut. At least worth talking about.
I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP
Didn't he play alot of CB in college??..I think he did..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
QB i believe
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
Last year
Did you Giant fans think we were going to go all the way when we got in the playoffs at 10-6?
Can't say as I did
My son-in-law is a Steeler’s fan and through non-stop mind control, he had me believing that the Steelers would win. That’s why I don’t get caught up in the x’s and o’s. I go with the “on any given Sunday” approach.
I wish I knew why your son-in-law was so confident. I’m a Steeler fan myself, but I was not confident at all. GB was set up perfectly to exploit our major weakness. I would have been confident if it was any team other than GB. (N.O obviously passes well, but we played them earlier in the season and held their offense relatively in check)
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Yes I did...They got on a roll and never stumbled...
There are two seasons in football..the regular season games..and then the tournament season..Any great coach will tell you that..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Actually yes.
Your rookie 44 reminded me a lot of our rookie 44 down the stretch in 2007. And that defense was rolling.
Faith is a refusal to panic
BB1156, Bobbiblue: I respect you two.
by Commander Prime on Feb 3, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Sort of
I thought you guys could definitely beat the Eagles.
Falcons I thought would be tough, and they did beat you guys before. Vs the bears I thought it was in the bag. And well I picked you guys over the Steelers
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
No, but i wasnt surprised after you beat Filthadelphia
then i figured it was a dogfight against Pitt
Eli is our King!
I didnt think we would beat Philly
In the wildcard game but once we got past them then I felt like we could give Atlanta all they could handle but the NFC title game against the Bears worried me crapless. They know us so well already having played them twice I thought we were going to lose. When we won that game I knew we could beat Pittsburgh but I was still nervous.
That's being a fan
I’m nervous every game the Giants play. I believe they are capable of winning any game they play, but also know they could lose every game they play. Did I know the Giants were going to beat the Pack in the playoffs this year; hell no. Did I hope they were going to beat them; hell yes. The Giant’s could have lost to the Packers and that would have been that. I would have felt crummy for about a month, but come August of this year, I would be rooting for the Giants again. With free agency and the roster turnovers, every year is a new year, and it’s hard to stay on top. It seems the best you can do nowadays, is to try to stay competitive year after year to have a shot at the title. I don’t hate the Packers or any team in the NFL (well maybe the Eagles), so I never rub it in to a fan of another team when we beat them, cause we could have lost just as easily. You guys won the Super Bowl last year, you came close this year, and if you make the playoffs again next year, that’s a lot to be proud of. There are a whole lot of fans of teams that would like to be in your shoes. Ask the Browns, Detroit, Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Vikings, Cardinals,……..
the bears sucked
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
They didn't suck
But Green Bay was better
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
I have hated the Packers because of favre for many years. Now that you have Rogers makes it even sweetier to hate the packers. As for most of your fan base coming over here last year and this year to rub it in on us. Well how is the golf course doing? That is my opinion of the Packers. I have more respect for the Jets and if you know anything about the Jets vs the Giants rivalry you got to be pretty low on the totem pole. But i am just telling you how i feel not being mean about just straight up.
I know this may sound petty....
but my biggest fear in this game is the officiating. We’ve all seen how the officials have been completely favoring our opponents in all 3 games thus far. And now we’re going up against a QB with TWO rules in the NFL rulebook. The Bogus Tuck Rule and the Brady Rule. Add in the fact that our pass rush hasn’t benefited from a single holding call despite OBVIOUS holds and things could get ugly real quick.
lmftfy
I know this may sound normal for me…
but my biggest fear in this game is the officiating. We’ve all seen how the officials have been completely favoring our opponents in all 3 games thus far. And now we’re going up against The Golden Boy with TWO rules in the NFL rulebook. The Bogus Tuck Rule and the Brady Rule. Add in the fact that our pass rush hasn’t benefited from a single holding call despite OBVIOUS holds on every player on every play and things could will ugly real quick.
HAHAHAHA..
your subtle changes actually made me laugh.
Parry is the officiator for Sunday's game
and he averages 14 penalties a game. Flags will be flying in this game.
It is what it is
I don't expect that
Both teams play pretty clean
Eli is our King!
Take it from the biggest ref hater on SBN: The officiating will be good.
Here’s why: This is the single most important marketing event of the year for the NFL. They know that they’ll have 100 million non-football fans watching the game. Most of them will be watching WITH football fans who know a bad call when they see it.
The NFL needs to put its best foot forward. A call that mars the outcome of the game will be a black eye on the NFL. I am willing to bet that the NFL is going to put extra guys in the replay upstairs — really good guys — and be watching every play like crazy.
That’s not to say that there will not be uncalled holding. Of course there will be. That’s a systemic result of the NFL wanting to produce a higher-scoring product. But as far as blowing calls like the 2 TDs in the Green Bay game, that will not happen in the most watched game in NFL history, which is exactly what this will be.
While it’s fun to throw conspiracy theories out there, we have to admit that there’s no factual basis. I think we have to go into this game expecting the best officiating of the season, and do our best not to get hung up on the calls. Just enjoy the game.
You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 3, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Seahawk fans may disagree
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
The refs always try
The problem is that the rule book is now incomprehensible
The rules need to be massively simplified and made common sense. The Tuck Rule, while administered correctly most of the time, is asinine. The Cruz fumble vs AZ was asinine. Yeah he gave himself up, but the rule has to be clear.
One of the best ideas I’ve heard is pulling the replay off site, to league HQ. 8 rooms with state of the art set up, ability to ask for a view or whatever they want. Ability to suspend a guy immediately for a cheap shot, even if Refs missed it. Use the technology to make replay its best, and fix the dang rule book.
Eli is our King!
Giants run this year
Reminds me alot of our run last year.
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