Osi Umenyiora: Are These His Final Days As A New York Giant?
by Ed Valentine on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST
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Could this playoff run be the swan song for Osi Umenyiora as a member of the New York Giants? Let me put it this way -- I will be stunned if it is not.
Umenyiora spoke to reporters Thursday and if you do what he asked, which was to "read between the lines" of his comments it is pretty obvious the veteran defensive end anticipates this to be his last go-round with the Giants.
"[I’m] really enjoying it. Don’t put me on the spot. Read between the lines," Umenyiora said with a laugh. "Really having a good time. I look around, I come in inside, I look around, I smile, I cherish it. I cherish it.
"I am not saying nothing. Read between the lines."
Umenyiora returned to the Giants last week after missing four games with an ankle injury, and he returned in typical style -- registering a pair of sacks. That gave him nine in the nine regular-season games in which he played. So, it is obvious that Umenyiora is still a pass-rushing force.
Something else was also obvious, though. The landscape of the Giants' defense has changed. The right end now, justifiably, belongs to Jason Pierre-Paul. The left side belongs to Justin Tuck. Umenyiora, a guy who considers himself to be a top five defensive end in the NFL, is now clearly the No. 3 defensive end on the team he plays for.
Related: Perry Fewell on Umenyiora's impact, much more
Umenyiora played 29 snaps Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, many of them coming from the left side. He told reporters that was "not something I plan on continuing."
Really? While Umenyiora seemingly said it with no malice the reality is that to remain a Giant he will have to get used to spending at least some of his time on the left side. He will also have to get used to being the third wheel, a guy who plays primarily as a pass-rush specialist. Twenty-four of his 29 snaps Sunday were on passing downs.
Right now, Umenyiora is happy to be playing at all after an injury-plagued season. He is especially happy to be back in the playoffs.
Simmering beneath it all is Umenyiora's longstanding unhappiness with his six-year, $41.3-million contract, which has one year remaining. Along with that is the defensive end's apparent distrust of general manager Jerry Reese.
This week none of that is important as Umenyiora and the Giants prepare for the Falcons and hope to make a deep playoff run. This off-season, though? It's hard to imagine that Umenyiora won't -- again -- request a trade. When he did that before this season the Giants basically ignored him, setting their demands so high no team would bite. This time, though, I would expect the Giants to be much more accommodating.
When that time comes, it really will be too bad. I have been critical of Umenyiora's outbursts over the years, his tendency to occasionally disappear from games, and his sub-standard run defense. Thing is, Umenyiora is perfect for the role in which he was used on Sunday night -- and would likely be used by the Giants going forward. A pass-rush specialist. A guy who plays limited snaps, lets other guys do most of the heavy lifting against the run and comes on the field with one purpose -- getting after opposing quarterbacks. He still does that as well as anyone in the league and his presence makes the Giants a better, more versatile defense.
Hopefully, Umenyiora and the Giants enjoy this playoff run. It seems like the last time they will be together.
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he was asked the question.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What?
Why didn’t you tell Tuck to shut up and play when people ask him questions?
by The Cole Train on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Its all about money
Osi’s pass rushing skill is so vital and valuable to teams that despite the other deficencies in his game he someone will pay him big money to start on their D-Line. Its a shame because the roll he played on Sunday night was perfect, guys like him, Babin, and Abraham do one thing so well that they comand so much money but they’re only worth it if you have 0 pass rush.
'can never have too many pass rushers"
Seems that philosophy has worked incredibly well. Look for Reese to draft more pass rushers this april. Thank you Osi for your service, it is best for both parties to move on!
I agree, it's a win-win for everybody
If Osi is moved via trade, Osi is happy and the Giants presumably get value. On top of that, JR would never ignore the DL, especially early on. Even if it’s a developmental player, perhaps the short term solution would have Kiwi on the DL on obvious passing downs?! Or, JR can actually catch lightning again, JPP part two?!
nah
JPP is a generational freak.
That being said, I’d have no problem with Tuck or Kiwi II (my two favorite DE’s being Melvin Ingram, who reminds me of Tuck, and Whitney Mercilus who kinda reminds me of Kiwi).
I don’t think anyone would have a problem with another Tuck or Kiwi.
draft
was just looking at Pass rushers in this draft and focused on those two guys as well.
I give any defensive player coming out of the SEC the advantage.
Agreed
but Mercilus did lead the nation in sacks, tackles for loss, and FF’s
…and he has the most badass name in the draft.
but his first name is Whitney
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Theoretically you are right, but what's the endgame?
Osi at this price still has a lot of value. If his attitude doesn’t improve, who will give us the 2nd or 3rd round pick that he should demand in return? In 2012 we won’t have the same cap hit from his unamortized bonus, so a trade is more likely next year, but if the market thinks his long-term demands remain unreasonable?? Seems unlikely.
It looks to me like the song will remain the same next year. Osi will have real incentive to get off the bike and show he still has value to his next team. I fully expect Osi to have his say, save the wear and tear on his body and play the 30 snaps a game, get double digit sacks because he will never be doubled, then take his talents to South Beach (or South Philly)
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
if he was smart that is exactly what he should do
finish out the last year of his contract.. use the half a games worth of snaps to stay fresh and healthy and get his final payout in Miami.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Sucks
The D line could be in record-books-good territory if he’d just play the last year of his contract and do what they ask him to. There are plenty of places where he can play full time, but no way will these guys have another shot to play on a unit like they currently have. And no way does he earn anywhere near top 5 DE money, regardless of when he signs a new contract.
Agreed
With Osi coming in on passing downs, and giving opposing offenses different looks, he could be the sack leader next year and this defense can finally take it’s rightful place in the top 5. I hope Osi cares more about being on a record-breaking team for one more year than being an even more over paid millionaire athlete. Miami will be there, break some records now!
But if he leaves, we have to get an impact linebacker for him.
by bleedingbigblue on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Given the rise of JPP
I hold no bitterness towards Osi. If he wants to get paid and walk away, that’s fine. It’d be nice for him to stick around but last thing we need is a distraction. I’ll be happy for him when he gets the best deal possible and grateful for basically carrying our D for the first half of our Superbowl season.
Adios - thanks for your service, good luck in your future endeavors, and hopefully
you will not go to a team that is in the first year of a 10 year rebuilding process.
My only concern is
What to do with my Awesome Red 72 jersey? Burn it and run circles around Metlife as suggested to me I do with the former 12 jersey, as was 21, as was Boss, etc…guess from here on out I will just stay with my Beloved Mark Bavaro, Otis Anderson, LT, Banks, Simms, and of course Eli. I smell a box with a jersey in it salsaing his way to me!
Got my dad that for christmas..
had him open it early for the Jets game… that was a good day.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
but the red jerseys suck
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 6, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
oh god do they ever..
I have a throw back phil simms jersey that I bust out whenever I am feeling retro
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
same here
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 6, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Never seen one on a man over 30
The kids seemed to love them
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
that's why throw back jerseys are the best
LT, Simms, Bavaro and others will never go out of style. Same with an Eli jersey.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
I've got tons of jerseys...and I keep adding to the collection...Drives my wife batty..
But I don’t care..I’m sneaking two more in soon…I tried to shop Fanatics yesterday but got caught…So I’m preparing for a ‘covert’ purchase mission..I have wireless so I can go hide in the woods and place an order without being seen..JPP and Cruz Missile yes!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Off season
the best time to buy a jersey is the off season.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
are we getting new unis?
I thought Nike comes on the seen next year
by Pinstripes&BigBlue on Jan 6, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Both good points..may have to decide to wait..
I’m definitely getting either a Division Champs, or hopefully a Super Bowl Champs shirt..I’ll need one, preferably the latter for next years trip to Dallas..That always stirs up fun !!!haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
NICEEEE
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
our group
does an annual Giants road game trip. Next year we’ll go to Atlanta, Carolina or Dallas.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Giants fans are well represented each year..and so obviously Cowboy fans..
We stay at the Hilton in Arlington..and alot of Cowboy fans from all over Texas stay there also..and there is a Sports bar right next to the hotel..It’s one huge party atmosphere..Both groups of fans have a blast..There’s a bus roundtrip to the game for 10.00 per person…Your at the stadium in ten minutes and it takes about twenty minutes after the game to get back..It’s funny, the Cowboys fans are funnier than hell…This year it was “All Giants fans go to the back of the bus !!”..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Here's a sneak peak at the proposed Nike uni's
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I can see him back
he is still under contract and a nice offseason bonus to not hinder the cap would probably do wonders… Not getting along with your boss, you can deal with… Leaving your dream job is a whole lot harder to do.
Still though he is our #3 DE, and we still have a draft to go and a full offseason. I wish he was here and smart enough to understand that going into a rotation adds more years and more money into you pockets, than playing for 2 and then having to call it quits.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
could come together well:
Giants only play Osi on passing downs to show off his best side to suitors.
Osi plays his ass off for that money.
By the way, $7 mil a year ain’t bad DE money, is it? Tuck seems to be making $6M / yr.
Anyway, I hope it comes together well, and if the Giants end up with a 1st-rounder out of it I would consider it a steal. 2nd-rounder, fair enough.
Anything below that would have to be multiple picks over years. Like a 3 & 5 this year and a 3 next year.
Anything worse than that, let the guy cry on the bench all year and devalue himself and get a year older. Hopefully he’d play again if it came to that.
Dude just turned 30, he’s probably got at best 4 years left as a unifaceted premiere pass rusher.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
If he stays here and plays 30-35 snaps, all in pass rush situations
He could play 5 seasons and excel, make 4-5M per season
If he goes to a weak team for big money, he’ll play every snap get used up and retire in 2 yrs and perhaps make fewer total dollars.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
The fact that he has 9 sacks
is a huge skew of statistics. He has 9 sacks because he plays only pass rushing downs on a line with either JPP or Tuck, and a force up the middle in Canty. If he thinks he is top 5 DE, go to a team that has no pass rush and get double teamed every down and get hurt.
I used to love Osi, but JPP is younger, stronger, bigger, better, faster and has a cooler name.
by Matthew Minniefield on Jan 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions
Except for the fact that
e has led the Giants in sacks every year excpet this one, was he in on only pass downs his whole career?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Osi will have a hard time getting traded
He wants a new free agent value contract, which diminishes his value to almost zero. But the Giants have no reason to trade a guy they can use for nothing. For Osi to get mves he’ll have to discount his price, unless it’s just rhetoric, I don’t see that happening. Osi is learning that you get a free agent contract, by actually becoming one.
I’ve no personal animus toward him but he keeps saying the same stuff and the Giants keep responding the same way.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Yep
I think the most likely scenario is we see Osi on a bike again come next preseason. The only trade option would be somewhere looking to add a pass rusher as a final piece, trying to make a playoff run. And that’ll only work if Osi will play under his current contract.
Pretty much the same reasons as this preseason… its hard to see a scenario where JR feels like he’s being compensated properly, AND Osi gets a big new contract.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Osi on the bike in preseason is good
He’s older and had knee surgery, last thing he needs is being out there with crazy kids trying to make the team.
I’d keep Tuck off in preseason games too
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
No issues with it, as a strategy
Just sort of irritating that the predictable contract holdout moaning stuff will go along with it. But in the end, whatever… if they can convince him that the time he IS going to get is the only way he’s going to get a big offer then I’m sure he’ll play hard and the DL will look great.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I suspect it's Osi's agent
When the guy you pay says,“DUDE, it’s a what have you done lately world, and riding an exercise bike is a low pay career unless your a playboy bunny”
It sinks in
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Well
hopefully he won’t take that as a suggestion to look into becoming a bunny, because the more I think about it, the more I think you’re right and that all this trade talk is really pretty unlikely.
The Giants played this about perfectly from a contract standpoint… they have 3 bigtime pass rushers, and they aren’t killing their cap room to do so. To let Osi go, JR is going to want something significant in return… I dunno, a 1 or a 2 and a 3 maybe? Otherwise whats the point? He has a bird in hand situation.
In addition, if Osi wants to play under his current deal and make a push for a big deal after next season… theres no better place than with the Giants (due to reduced workload and high surrounding talent level) so he obviously wants his big deal now. What team is going to give up significant trade value, and on top do a deal with Osi to pay him whatever he thinks he’s worth? Unless you’re that team that is looking desperately for a pass rusher as the one missing piece, why not wait until after next year when you can test his market value without worrying about giving up draft picks?
I dunno… I’m just not seeing him going anywhere.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
1- Would Osi for a 2nd rounder be a good deal?
2- Or JR will still demand a 1st?
3- Or is there a chance they could all " just get along" ,?
I think all bridges are burnt in this relationship but there may be a chance. Then again, he doens t want to play LDE and We all know who the RDE spot belongs to.
Trade for draft value...
yes the Giants have no need to trade him since he is ‘theirs’, but since Tuck and JPP are there, I could see a trade since he has value, and we could pick up value in the draft. Only problem teams like Oakland that would trade have no picks just about. Are there other teams out there that need him?
by Exiled in Missouri on Jan 6, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
Osi to the Jets strait up for the Sancheize
finally get the Franchise QB this team has been lacking
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The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 6, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions
Keep dreaming!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
sigh
I wanted our own Dream Team
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The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 6, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Trade him for O Lineman/center
This is a great opportunity for us
not happening
Expect a 3 maybe a 2 at best if he excels this post season.
I could see the Ross led Colts giving up a 2nd
maybe a 2nd and a 3rd…
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
No way
He trained under JR
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
You could get a very good center
or guard in the 2nd or 3rd.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
player for player trades
are rare in the NFL.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
I'd like to get a 2nd + a conditional 2-5 depending on # of sacks
or something like that. Getting a 1st may be tough now that Al Davis is no longer with us
but there is still the Jerry Jones in this world..
not to mention Ross going to the Colts… wouldnt it be funny if that is where Osi goes.. and for a first… or 2 and a 3…
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Osi to the Jets
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Nah Rex has his pass rushers
He said so himself
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
who Maybin?
thats about it for them
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 6, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Rex
I’m not sure what he’s thinking most of the time. It’s not the big mouth, he’s got a young QB and he seems to think some fertilizer and water and he’ll grow into a franchise player.
If playoff wins meant you were a franchise QB, Trent Dilfer would be playing
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I believe it was Rorsch that made an excellent point today..
Holmes is to Sanchez like Shockey was to Eli…intimidating and obnoxious..Our team launched Shockey..The Jets need to lose Holmes..A QB needs to have all eyes and ears on him..not a complaining, whiney, overpowering dirt-bag..
And the most idiotic thing Footsie did was make Holmes a Captain..Hello?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
for the first overall pick?
yeah, right. Though that #33 would get it done just fine for me. It’ll be just like the double pick at the end of the fantasy draft snake.
maybe a future 1st
but Osi’s not gonna get us Andrew Luck. Or at least Matt Kalil or Justin Blackmon (salivates…)
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
My God
Can you imagine Blackmon on this team alongside Nicks and Cruz, with Eli at the helm?
I’ll just stop thinking about it right now.
I'm gonna try too
tho I think 4 hours from now I’m gonna have to go to the ER.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Man..wouldn't that be striking gold!!...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Ha!
That would be rather disrespectful
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sorry guys, there's no way Osi gets a first now or in the future
They couldn’t get a second rounder last summer, when he was coming off a 10-strip sack season.
Go Giants!
they had plenty of 2nd round offers on the table this past summer
they didn’t take them cuz they wanted a first.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He can get at the QB but my question is...
How much does he think he is worth? He was only healthy enough to play 9 games this year and he left another one in the first half. Yes, he has 9 sacks in those games but he will be worthless if he goes to a team that doesn’t have talent on par with Tuck or JPP.
Is a team that is weak on the Dline gonna blow over 7 million per year on someone who might not be available for all 16 games? You can’t build a defensive line starting with Osi. Osi can start on an NFL team but he will be ineffective if he doesn’t have solid guys on that line with him.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
Interesting point..How much is he worth...
I think for teams that are weak rushing the passer he’d probably fare well on the market..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yes I think so
Osi’s show that although he’s been “injured”, he’s come back from said injury and not missed a beat. The Sultan of Swat is an effective player if he’s getting a sack per game. There’s a lot of teams that have players leading the team way less then 10 sacks and Osi’s damn near a lock for that.
I can even see a team like the Lions spending on him. Maybe even the Bucaneeers. Lots of teams have decent DLs but are missing that sack artist. The Ravens I’m sure would love to have him too.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
NE, GB, DAL.... etc
damn near everyteam is looking for an Osi but i hope he stays.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
would be sad to see him go, but I might watch the ravens if he were on that team
Good god, that pass rush would be ridiculous.
Go Giants!
Maybe he will try harder to get out there for more money
Is that too cynical??? I think the trend has been you get ‘fat’ and lazy.
by Exiled in Missouri on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Osi was essentially paid $7M/yr in this contract.
Is he really worth more or is he just being a dick because he only gets $4M this and next year? I’d say he’s the latter. If he thinks the grass is greener somewhere else, offer him $7M for a 3 year deal if he agrees to be a pass rushing specialist and to spell JPP or Tuck and tell him to seek better elsewhere. If he plays the majority of snaps at the position he will surely get injured again and dumped by whoever pays him the big $$$$$. His injury history will kill him on the market. In 9 years, he missed 31 games and his rookie year he was’nt very productive(20 tackles, 1 sack).
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Nope its the principal
He was told something that wasnt honored.
I think it has less to do with actual money than we think…..more of a dont lie to a grown man thing. IMO
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
On a rare occasion
I agree with you fully gates
I'd hate to see him go..His outbursts have been irritating...But
The game has evolved into an aerial war..If you can’t get to the QB your all done in this league nowadays..and the other thing is Tuck has lost some durability…What happens if he goes down like he did this season for several games?..
I say pay the man and keep him..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Osi's under contract for another year
the better he plays the more valuable he is to the Giants. Either as t he situational pass rusher he’s supposed to be or as trade bait.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yes
This could be the best possible scenario for him and us. I can deal with him as our biggest headache now that Rolle is all aboard.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
He's not going to Jets
He needs to be a true 4-3 defense. I would take a high number to pick for him, though.
Complains about money...Cmon Man.....
Look at the value of the contract and how many games he has actually played in, he was hurt for a full season and the Giants paid him, he was hurt half this season and he was paid what 5+ mil. gimme a break Osi,…shut it and go strip sack a QB for us…
If traded it's for a pick in the 50-90 range and that's a good deal for us
Under the new CBA picks are incredibly valuable. No way its a first rounder.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Lets hope he plays on Sunday
like a man looking for and deserving a big payday somewhere.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions
As long as we dont
trade him within the division, Im all for it. Even though personality wise he would fit right in with philly.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
a bunch of guys
are going to be advertising for new spots. they will play hard. Mario and Osi chief among them. this is their marketing campaign. it’s perfect for giants fans. they have talent. ross is in that group too. show the world what you got guys, extra motivation is awesome.
this is Giants front office doing it’s thing.
go blue
I think money's on Manningham's mind in a bad way
The Jets don’t have an exclusive on selfish players.
In Septmber MM was looking at maybe getting big money as a #1 WR elsewhere, or staying here for solid starter money. Now with Cruz’s emergence he’s probably got to go somewhere new and start from scratch with a new QB and system for a deal worth 50-75% of what he thought he’d get.
Think that might have something to do with not being on the same page as Eli the last few weeks? And frankly I don’t really blame him. It’s got to mess with your head.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
really?
frankly I don’t really blame him. It’s got to mess with your head.
He’s a profession currently being paid and getting paid well. The emergence of Cruz and his pending contract situation is not an excuse to have a lousy season.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
He'll be somewhere else next year.
And honestly it’s best for both sides. Osi wants his payday, which very well may have been promised to him, but that’s another story. And it’s clear that it’s not going to come from the Giants, so he’s certainly within his rights to search elsewhere for more money and more playing time. As for the Giants, they’ve shown the league how to get the most out of Osi Umenyiora, and it’s not by playing him 60+ snaps a game. I know it’s been beaten to death, but the fact remains that as good as Osi is on 3rd downs, and he’s one of the best, he’s a downright liability on 1st and 2nd down. The guy simply does not play the run. And in my opinion, you don’t break the bank for a DE who only excels at half the job. Someone else will pay up, just not the Giants.
Osi’s given the Giants everything he’s had in his years here, and they wouldn’t have had near the amount of success without him. If and when he goes elsewhere, I’ll wish him well. He certainly has had his qualms with Giants management, but the guy has been (from what I know) a good teammate and a menace to opposing quarterbacks. He didn’t record a sack in that Super Bowl but he may very well have played the best game of the bunch. If this is his last go around, no hard feelings and thanks for your years of service.
Osi, he keeps missing his opportunities because of his mouth
PS: some people have way too much time on their “hands”.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM EST reply actions
bye-bye
Osi has been great,but the time has come to trade him or drop him along with Jacobs,Ross.Diehl and a few others.Thankx and good luck!!
I have often wondered how McKenzie feels lined up next to Snee
if he ever thinks about how much Snee is getting and thinks, hmmm, you can block for both of us
this is his last season here
in other news, Justin Tuck was on the bike and not practicing this morning… no reason why yet. it may just be a precautionary purpose
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
It's all about the money...unfortunately...
I suspect most posters on here would give a month of their salary just to line up for one play with the Giants. To put on the uniform, go out on the field, and have the snot knocked out of them.
I love Osi!
I love everything he has done for this team. If he leaves, I hope we get a player back that can help us half as much as he has!
he's a unique talent that definitely adds to our defense.
That being said I would love to be able to keep him around for another year. Just need Radio to be inventive with ways to keep him Tuck and JPP on the field without diminishing any of their impact on the game.
Last week showed that Osi in limited action could really benefit the Giants Dline. I thought the usage of all 3 guys was pretty good, but I doubt if Osi would want to be relegated to a part time role, and they’ve already found his replacement. It would probably make the most sense to trade him now while they still can. That way he gets to be a starter and probably gets a fat extension, and the Giants get a draft pick or two in return.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Love to have him but want the pick(s)
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I give Fewell a hard time
but I think he actually knows a thing or two about defense....
I love how he moved Kiwi to LB
and I loved how he used Osi last week….after realizing FINALLY that he shouldn’t be starting.
so i have confidence that Fewell will work Osi into the rotation (if he’s healthy), but at what cost to the DTs? that’s my major concern. and can we get in enough passing situations to justify the money being given to Osi.
I still say take offers and if you get a good one, do it.
Fire Fewell
Osi
I’m not going to Lie, Osi has been one of my favorite players over the years. I love the guy, think he is such a unique talent rushing the passer. No doubt in my mind that he has directly contributed to a lot of the Giants success over the years. Tell me this; On 3rd and Long, who on the D-line do you look for to make something happen? and the numbers don’t tell the whole story. Outside of his own sacks/FF, how many sacks has he created for guys like Stray, Tuck etc? I will truly be sad to see him go if in fact he is playing somewhere else next year. with the composition of this team, Osi is a perfect match. he knows it, JR knows it and his team knows it. I also don’t question his loyalty to the Giants. I believe he LOVES being a Giant, Loves his teammates and if all things were equal would prefer to be a Giant for life. Last week Showed me that he is not a selfish “player or teammate”.
I cant kill the guy for wanting more, but no one could have predicted how salaries for DE’s would skyrocket.
with that being said though, I have a hard time believing that he will be a Giant next year. the guy has too many limitations in his game. we know he’s not as good against the run (although, when healthy, i don’t think he is as bad as he is made out to be), health is a MAJOR concern with him, and its easy to overlook his value when JPP has done his thing this year.
who knows what really happened with him and JR? and they really have fair and valid points in this drama. but there is no question to me that, TO THE GIANTS, and the Giants alone, he IS worth a first round pick. with the composition of this D-line, they all compliment each other phenomenally, they make each other better.
the only way Osi and the front office really win this drama is with Osi wearing blue. no matter what we could get for him, i just don’t think that would make the Giants better as a whole.
I agree big time with you B_Korn
I love the guy also. Hate the dramatics & also don’t think he is as bad against the run when healthy as they say. He makes our line much better & the guys around him better too. Hated to see Shockey go for a 2 round pick. He went on to win another superbowl with our should be offensive coordinator Payton. Don’t even remember who the pick was or is for Shockey. Does anybody ? Can’t let Osi go for a might be pick when he is a big part of our pass rush. look at my photo of him & stray walking away from bradey on the ground in the superbowl. Hope he they can work it out.
Second that emotion
Osi’s presence on passing downs has instantly made the Giants defense something to be feared. Hopefully he can see it too: he is in the perfect situation.
by bleedingbigblue on Jan 6, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Game has changed big time
Most teams will be in the shotgun most of the time moving forward.
Pass rushers are a premium. Never have too many. More the merrier.
Find a way to make him happy, keep him, and put 4 pash rushers in on passing downs, moving kiwi to the line with osi tuck & JPP, boley in the middle & 7 D backs. . That’s some serious pass rush.
i can see colts,seahawks, and vikings
but a lot of teams will want him IMO maybe kyle rudolph and a 4th for osi?
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
I don't want a TE for a DE
We have our own TE’s and can draft one thank you.
Vikings have one of the best pass rushes in NFL so I don’t think they will do that either.
I don’t see JR taking a player.
He wants a pick or picks only so he can chose who he gets
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I think DEs need to catch up with how the game is played today...
With passing being the dominant offense for all teams..You need to spell your rushers throughout the game..Osi got what 20 snaps?..JPP, while Osi was hurt was handling all the snaps and was wearing out and Tuck as well..I think we need those three rotating in and out yet having all three in there stunting when need be based on the situation…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Agreed
We have lost playoff games in the past because the D was simply exhausted at year end. Having multiple DE’s is not a luxury anymore, it is a necessity.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Think Osi stays
Still making a wad of money next season, less pressure on him if he only plays on passing downs, loves his teammates and who knows what Tuck’s condition really is?
DavebrownNOT
I think both sides will be disappointed if JR gives his agent the go ahead to try and do a deal.
Teams won’t want to give Giants a high enough pick and Osi enough $ due to his age, one-dimensional play, and inability to stay healthy.
Giants just better put together an off-season plan for how to deal with the diva-Osi distraction next camp.
Heres the plan for dealing with a diva
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
That damn Barmaid was just supposed to set the dang chair down in front of her and fetch me a beer..pisses me off!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
If we must trade Osi
JR should call the Patriots. They need a pass rusher, have lots of draft picks, and are not rebuilding so they shouldn’t be worried about Osi being 30.
by G-FANinFL on Jan 6, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ditto
but i hope he is a Giant for life like i have been saying all along.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Pats, Jets, Ravens would all be interested I'm sure
I really don’t understand how much he thinks he is worth…but at this point its definitely become about more than the money. He feels like his honor has been tarnished. His quote makes me 100% certain that he won’t be here next year. I hope he gives us a great playoff run, and we get to see 4 more games from him!
Go Giants!
If he goes
I just don’t want to see him with that team down I-95. You know the one where he-who-shall-not-be-named went last offseason
There's no chance we trade him within division
the worst-case scenario is he is a big distraction all year and then leaves in FA for the cowboys, they could use him. That won’t happen, he will be traded, preferrably to the AFC
Go Giants!
We need Osi
The idea is to have high quality depth and to rotate players so there isn’t any drop off in the 4th quarter. Also, you better believe JPP will not be immune to injury. It would be really dumb to let Osi go.
noooo don't say that...JPP can only injure other players!
What might have been, if TT were still healthy. alas.
Go Giants!
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