'Friday Five' With Pat Traina, Wild-Card Weekend Edition
by Ed Valentine on Jan 6, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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PrintThe New York Giants are still playing, much to the chagrin of Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. That means, of course, that the 'Friday Five' with Inside Football editor Pat Traina is still with us.
Today, we discuss Perry Fewell, the Atlanta Falcons, the future of some key Giants' free agents and other topics. As always, be sure to stop by Inside Football for my answers to Pat's questions.
Ed: You started your questions to me in the same place I wanted to start mine for you, so here goes. What is Perry Fewell's future in New York? Is he coaching for his job with Steve Spagnuolo hovering around out there as a free agent? Is he still a hot commodity as a head-coaching candidate? It's tough to figure because this has not been his best year.
Pat: Well since our exchange of questions, I guess everyone's now aware that Fewell is actually signed through the 2012 season. So with that said, I think given how the defense has clamped down on things the last two weeks, I think Fewell MIGHT be safe for the coming year. As for Spags, here's what I see to be the dilemma. Where ever he goes, I would imagine he's going to want some sort of assurance that he'll be in the head coaching mix (even though teams technically aren't supposed to make those guarantees due to the Rooney Rule).
I would think - and this is just my opinion - that Spags will go to Philadelphia as their defensive coordinator (no way do I see the Eagles retaining Juan Castillo in that role) and with Eagles owner Jeff Lurie strongly hinting that Andy Reid will be on the hot seat next season, I could see Spags succeeding Reid if the latter is fired. Again, just my opinion here, but I'm not so sure Spags was ready to be a head coach when he took the Rams job - I said that back then and I'm sticking with that opinion. I think that maybe another year or two as a defensive coordinator will allow him to step back, regroup, and then try for another head coaching job down the line.
Ed: The one player on the Falcons roster the Giants should be most concerned about is ....
Pat: You're limiting me to one player? LOL! Ok, Michael Turner. He's a big, physical runner and it will be of the utmost of importance that the Giants run defense stay true to their assignments. As Dave Tollefson said, "So long as we're where we are supposed to be, and we tackle well, we should be able to limit the damage their running game does."
Ed: The biggest advantage the Giants have on Sunday should be ...
Pat: The home crowd. I commented about this last week and was glad to see Coughlin and some of the players also comment about it, but the home crowd last week was simply amazing. The energy, the volume, and the buzz were like nothing I can ever remember (at least in recent years) from a Giants home crowd. They were pumped up and I think the players and coaches fed off that energy. As you know Ed, I sit in the press box, which is a controlled environment (which means that we don't get to hear the sounds from the stadium unless someone on the field opens up a mic. Well you know what? We heard the crowd and it was just so neat that the Giants gave all those people who came (as well as those who stayed up late to watch that last game) such a treat. The fans really can make a difference - I think any one on the team will tell you that and mean it.
From a player perspective, I'd say one of the biggest advantages the Giants have is Eli Manning. He appears to be back on track, and what's not to love about the Manning-Victor Cruz connection? Cruz in particular has done a good job with adjusting to what defenses have tried to do to him and I can't wait to see what's next for this young man.
Finally on defense, who's down with JPP? If this guy doesn't win the DPOY, then I would be stunned. (And yes, I know I gave you three advantages, but I don't think you can really pick one, to be honest.)
Ed: Mario Manningham, Kareem McKenzie, Jonathan Goff, Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas will be free agents once the season ends. You're the GM. Which guys do you bring back, and why?
Pat: Thomas. Yes, I know about the injury history, but let's look at what his loss has meant. It meant that this defense had to go to that dreadful loose zone. I suspect a lot of people didn't really appreciate what Thomas brought to the table, but he just got better and better, and I think last year, you could make a case in saying that he was pretty near the level of Webster, the team's No. 1 cornerback. So I think Thomas is the only one of those guys you bring back.
As for the others, Manningham has been a disappointment this year - just look at his numbers compared to past years. It just seems that for every good thing he does, he does four things that leave you shaking your head, and I think the team ultimately would like to see Jernigan get more of an opportunity next year.
McKenzie's play has, in my opinion, declined from a year ago, plus he's getting up there in age. If I'm the Giants, I look at maybe moving Will Beatty over to right tackle next year and leaving David Diehl at left tackle (where I think he's played better this year). And I leave Kevin Boothe in that starting lineup at left guard.
Ross has also been inconsistent and with Amukamara on board, I think the plan might have initially been for Prince to move ahead of Ross, who I think has lost just a little bit in terms of speed, out of the picture.
As for Goff, I get the sense the Giants like the talent they have now. I'm told that they're very high on Mark Herzlich and they of course like what they have in Greg Jones. So as much as I think Goff is a good player, I don't see them breaking the bank to re-sign him when they have this other up and coming talent on the roster.
Ed: The most surprising Giant this season not named Victor Cruz? The most disappointing Giant?
Pat: Most surprising Giant not named Cruz... Jason Pierre-Paul. I knew the kid was going to be good, but this good in just his second year? He's been amazing and you know what? He's as humble as he was as a rookie. What I also love about him is his attitude. He so loves the game of football that he said earlier in the year that he asked to remain on special teams, which some guys tend to want no part of once they become more established. I can't say enough good things about JPP.
The most disappointing Giant? David Baas. But I'll add an asterisk there because I know what Baas is dealing with in terms of injuries. Still, an argument can be made that if you're well enough to be out there playing, your performance is fair game for evaluation and I just haven't been impressed by him. I think again it's due to the injuries, but at the same time I think you can say that the offensive line looked pretty effective without him in there.
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I think Pat is wrong about the O-line. I think we’ll see a new face from the draft or free agency on the O-line next year.
I think she's completely wrong there too
LT is the most important oline position but we’ll move our best lineman from that spot? WHAT?
by The Cole Train on Jan 6, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I thought we already tried the diehl to LT experiment already
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 6, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also...
Beatty is a bit svelte for that spot, isn’t he? Don’t you usually want your bigger slower tackle on the right side, for the running game and with the quicker lighter pass rushers coming after the QB on the left side? And what about Petrus? Wasn’t he doing some good stuff a la an in his prime Seubert? Plus, Bass has been inconsistent at centre and we had our best success running the ball with Boothe subbing in for him. I don’t know, seems like a lot is off the mark there with Pat’s observations. However, what has been working the best hasn’t always been necessarily what TC and the Giants have gone with on the O-line.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Jan 6, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Beatty's up to 320
and I don’t think it really matters how athletic the tackle is, you want athletes.. The Giants have gotten away with two marginal at best athletes in Diehl and Mack for years. Its really incredible how much better this team could be with real athletes at the OT spot, not to mention a real athlete at TE. Just the fact the offense is as good as it is tells you how good Eli Manning is.
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We had Shockey at TE for a number of years.
You could argue the offence is better now. More explosive anyway. If we can get the running game back into the top ten next year, watch out!
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Jan 6, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Shockey doesn't really count
he had more of a negative effect…today we’d call it the Santonio Holmes effect. Its really easy to see that if you have at least a Shockey type athlete in Ballard’s position, and with Nicks and Cruz on the outside…damn.
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I like Ballard a lot.
He’s a playmaker. If he can stay healthy and continue with what he’s been doing – theoretically, he should only get better, he’s so young – than I don’t think we’ll need to look for a replacement for a few years. We just need the line to get sorted out. That will solve all woes that still ail us.
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Jan 6, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I like Ballard too
I just see him as a Derek Hagan type dude. Sure he’s young, but how much more is there? And how much of his success is due to Eli being Eli?
I’d prefer Ballard as the #2 TE. And there’s some big athletic TEs in this draft like Dwayne Allen and Tyler Eiffert that would be perfect for us.
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meh
They’re really about the only ones
Colby Fleener in Stanford is a possibility, but he’d need a season or two of development.
George Bryan and Mike Williams are two others to look for
they’re both very good blockers, but are underrated receivers. Also Jake Stoneburner from OSU is a lot like Ballard, just faster but not as big (tho Ballard wasn’t this heavy at OSU either).
Its not a great class, but we don’t really need a great one. Just someone with some better athleticism.
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I beg to differ on the Hagan comparison...
Ballard was a difference maker. He made some game changing plays this year. You could argue that we might not have won two or three games without some of the big plays he made.
Anyway…
by DJ Farnaquelhe on Jan 7, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think we'llsee
a high pick maybe on the O-line but not a ton change to the starting unit. Mac will be the only guy not back. Deihl though not very good can play all guard and tackle positions. I think he’ll be the RT next year while Beaty will be LT and Boothe at guard. Boothe has played well enough the past few years to warrent being a starter.
So I don’t believe they’ll be wholesale O-line changes to the starting line but some new young faces for the future aquired via draft and FA.
Seriously we better do more than move Beatty to right next year
In my opinion Diehl is now a backup at best, so if Beatty is going to the other side, we better bring in or draft a LT, also would’ mind us adding a C/G in the draft. We have got to get the running game going again, the O-line needs help
by Late for Dinner on Jan 6, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I believe there will be more to determine
in training camp 2012 regarding the Oline than in recent years. Beatty will get his starting job back at LT. Baas will remain at C. You don’t spend $ for a FA Center, intergrate him with the QB and his linemates one year, and replace him the next. So those two spots are set. Boothe wasn’t THAT good at C and the guy needs to work on his snaps.
Snee will remain as the RG.
It is LG and RT where we will see competition. Both Boothe and Petrus have shown to be able to handle the LG spot and both will get a chance to win it, IMO. Mac may be done at RT and the team has been, in theory, developing his replacement in James Brewer. Is it possible to move Deihl to RT? Possibly, though I’m not thrilled with his run blocking this year.
Even if we draft a OLineman (RT maybe?) high in the draft who may be capable of playing right away, I don’t see that being the likely outcome. As we know, the Giants like to develop guys and bring them along gradually.
I’m excited knowing we have capable guys to compete for a job. And I see that happening at LG and RT.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
I used to respect Pat
But she has said some things that just see wrong.
DD was good at LT? When? In high school?
Not that I put much stock in PFF but Diehl was dead last every game that I recall. Yes he played some at guard but overall, he was only superseded in his failure by KMac.
Everyone knows he cannot block any long, esp speed rushers. I cannot see any way he is a starter on the left side at either position barring huge injuries to others. Maybe a backup on the right or hopefully, we replace him as well as KMac next year.
He makes too much money to be kept for his performance level.
Pat, you have to get real to be respected. Your judgement is failing.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Outside of that comment I thought this was a good friday five
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 6, 2012 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
its always good
and at least we didn’t have to get her Giants making the playoffs prediction this week
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I believe PT
meant DD was better at LT than LG. If that’s the case I agree with her.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
That is true but relative
It was a case of poor vs. totally inadequate.
You don’t want either.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I would disagree on most disappointing player.
My vote would go to Kareem McKenzie. A top 3 RT last year reduced to….this…..unfathomable.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 7:25 AM EST reply actions
You and JR should have seen that coming as a possibility
Age has a way of catching up with everybody. O’Hara went from being one of the best centers and an iron man who seemed never to be slowed by injury to bam taken out by nagging injuries that he couldn’t overcome. Why? Age, plain and simple. The older a body gets the less it can handle the wear and tear, especially these guys carrying 300+ lbs around everyday and smashing their body into people for a living.
the drop should not have been that precipitous.
And going into your 30’s as an OL is not the same as going into your 30’s as an RB or something.
McKenzie only turned 32 this year, which is nothing for OL…a position that many play effectively well into their 30’s. The average age of most OLs in the league are 28-29 years old….a number that includes rookies and 2nd year players. Jordan Gross, one of the top LTs in the league is 31.
McKenzie was a top OT in the league last year, there was no reason for him to not even be half that this year, with no serious injuries…
JR did see an eventual decline in at least 2 years, and that’s why he drafted James Brewer, a player with an extremely similar skillset to Kareem. Nobody thought (nor should they have had any reason to think) that McKenzie would regress so quickly.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think that...
such regression is an indication that he is not takiny care of himself off the field. While I agree with that the body does break down with age, I have seen countless examples of the fact That if you exercise on a regular basis, eat the right foods and replace the supplements that your body is losing, you can slow down this process.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 6, 2012 8:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
No doubt. Which kind of upsets me.
I don’t mind poor play because of injury or inexperience….but wtf man, poor play because you aren’t taking care of yourself? Seriously? You get paid to take care of yourself and workout. I have to pay money to go to the gym.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
This is speculating on something we don't know anything about.
Unless there are stories out there about Mac not taking care of himself that I haven’t heard. If so, I would appreciate some enlightenment.
He is a FA after this year. You reminded me of the fact that Mac is only 32. In Olineman years that is middle age. he may just be having a down year and will bounce back. Being that he has played poorly, the Giants may be able to resign him at a bargain and reap the rewards of him bouncing back next year as good as ever.
More speculation, yes, but I am very curious to see how the Giants handle him and his expiring contract.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
You mean KMac is a FAT?
Free Agent Tackle
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
lol. I suppose he is
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
was he that good?
I saw him as going from solid/average (and more of a pass blocker) to slightly below average.
Anyway, I’d expect Brewer to compete for the job next Spring. I don’t know about conversion between LT and RT, but perhaps Diehl could play there next season if McKenzie crumbles and Brewer’s not ready.
Ideal: Beatty — Petrus — Baas — Snee — Brewer (assuming Baas can play well)
Not so ideal: Beatty — Boothe — Baas — Snee — McKenzie / Diehl (Assuming Baas doesn’t play well)
In any case I would be surprised if the Giants don’t pick up a good OL in the draft in rounds 1 or 2. early 20s is primetime for the OL picks.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Mac was one of the best RTs in the league last year. I want to say he gave up the fewest sacks by an OT
or at least was top 5 in that regard.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree with Simmsy on this one
My memory of the Giants 2010, they employed tons of help to both OTs, it stopped them from truly stretching and attacking a defense.
KMac may not have given up sacks, but between the max protect and Eli getting rid of the ball too fast, I didn’t think the OL was very good. (ex Seubert, who is the biggest loss this season, imagine that guy in the middle all year)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
ehh....of all the problems I recall from our OL last year, very few came from the right side. Snee-Mac
were awesome IIRC. We also ran exclusively to the right because of it.
I know it doesn’t hold much weight to anybody, but PFF tends to agree with me too. I never saw KMac get as much help as Diehl did last year.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
My opinion wasn't popular last year
My observations
They ran right, but couldn’t run right on 3rd and short with consistency. It seemed to me, against quality teams, we blocked 7 on 3rd and long, sometimes 8. To me that says our coaches didn’t really believe in the OTs.
Now that said, I thought McKenzie was a solid B last year, he wasn’t bad. And he certainly seemed to be viable for this year. But this year he went from B to D, it happens. If they sold crystal balls, I’d own one and be posting from a suite atop the Bellagio.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
no doubt. I'd give him an A- if I were to grade him, but that's neither here nor there.
I’d definitely put KMac as a better pass protector last year than run blocker, but it doesn’t matter anymore.
I’m just annoyed at his regression.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly right
The details obscure the big picture
He wasn’t obviously rotten last year and he slipped a ton. Why is a mystery, but you prepare for what you know and what you can reasonably expect, not for some fringe possibility
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I thought they ran right
because Diehl sucked at LT and they had a revolving door at LG
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
lol that definitely contributed to it.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
And we got the majority of our rushing yards behind him and snee
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to add
With the needs created by the Seubert injury at year end (or he’s our C this year) and the obvious deterioration of Diehl (contrary to Pat, I think he still stinks at LT), our hands were tied.
You don’t introduce 3 new faces, 4 new positions on the OL in one season, unless you have no intention of competing for the playoffs. That’s a way to get your QB killed.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
yup
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not surprised he wasn't as good as last year
The extent however, is surprising.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
LOL
Tollefson talking about tackling well. His missed tackles could have given him like 5 more sacks this year.
And on an unrelated note
It’s downright stupid to not at least try to get Goff. We’re ranked the worst rushing defens ein the entire NFL and Goff was a top 5 run stopper last year. Pat’s completely wrong here, Goff is a clear upgrade from Herzlich and Jones. Get the heck out of here.
by The Cole Train on Jan 6, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
seems like you'd be more of a Trent Cole guy
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
no, because you're riding the Cole train
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh lol
No it’s from the video game Gears of War where a charcter is nicknamed the cole train.
by The Cole Train on Jan 6, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
my 2nd guess was jazz fan
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I thought
But I’m a huge Coltrane fan
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I was thinking Dukes of Hazzard.
And Sherr-eff Roscoe PeColetrain.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
this is the Cole Train
Tony Romo, Michael Vick, and Rex Grossman are down with JPP
Die hard Giants fan since I was 4
J-E-T-S Just-End-The-Season
by JasonPierrePwned on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
While I agree the Gmen have no interest in Goff....
….they will treat the other three like ss12, offering them back-up money. I think Manningham will certainly get a better deal elsewhere, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ross and McKenzie on the roster next year, especially since Prince has so much still to prove.
The trick with TT will be signing him to an incentive laden deal where he can earn #1 CB money if he is healthy. If we won’t, don’t be surprised if someone else does.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I think other teams will pursue Ross.
He’s not great, but he can certainly be the #2 somewhere in this pass-happy league. Just not here, where he’d likely be the 4th cb
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Uhhh, what?
He’s a number 4 on the 28th/29th WORST pass D but he’s a number 2 corner on other teams? Wow. Okay.
by BigBlue9091 on Jan 7, 2012 6:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not for nothing but...
signing Goff probably won’t be that expensive I would bring him back for more competition at the MLB spot. I’m praying that the Giants don’s stand pat with the current roster of LB’s, we need to keep looking for more talent there
by Late for Dinner on Jan 6, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Prince's fall from grace
since Prince has so much still to prove.
For the first half of the season so many BBVer were posting “with the return of Prince…..”. Now Prince has much to prove. It amazed me how some knowledgeable BBVer discussed the ‘return’ of Prince as if we were waiting for the return of Deion Sanders.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
it most likely amazed you
cuz no one was really doing that. It was more so “we’re getting Prince back” as in we’re adding another body to the secondary, which we badly needed and still do need.
He didn’t fall from grace either. He’s a rookie that missed OTAs and 1/2 of the season due to injury.
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Sorry to agree with you R44
but mostly correct.
I think it was also that the remaining backup bodies were not doing well (not talking about starters) and we were all curious, wanted to see him play.
Should I be captured, I will disavow any knowledge of agreeing with you.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
don't worry
I now disagree with everything I just said.
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Hahahaha!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
disagree with you both
the tone of many posts was the DB situation would be fixed with the return of Prince. I replied to a few of the posts stating Prince was an unknown commodity. I used the same analogy then that I used above. Some BBVers were expecting the return of Deion from a guy that had 1 1/2 preseason practices before getting injured.
Our esteemed R44 at one time posted Prince is a top-10 draft talent. He’ll be good when he returns.
No R44, I won’t go find the post.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Prince IS a top 10 draft talent
I’ll post that right ^ there.
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Ryan Leaf was top 2
Tom Brady was #199. It’s all speculation until proven on the field. There’s a NFL graveyard of top 10 draft picks that have been busts.
In no way am I suggesting Prince is a bust. Let the kid take the field before we evaluate his potential.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Ror is right, he is a top 10 draft talent.
That was the league-wide assessment of him coming out of college.
What he actually becomes…. we shall see.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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I agree
he was a top 10 draft talent. But draft talent doesn’t equate to on field performance. We can’t assume a top 10 talent will make an impact simply because he’s top-10
Perry Fewell Stinks!
you'd expect one too
or at least expect one too if they didn’t miss 10 weeks of the season and have a total of one week of practice before they’re on the field. Also I’d send some credit to PF’s wackball secondary schemes to confuse him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I think Prince will pan out and be a good one..
But he had no training camp..was hurt..and then had to try to understand Einstein Fewells defense…Shit no wonder he hasn’t done anything…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Leaf had a two cent brain.
rattling off draft history is useless. Ki-Jana Carter was a top 3 pick too..who cares?
Prince is a top 10 talent with top 10 potential. That be all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No R44, I won't go find the post. LOL
To continue with this futile discussion I got many impressions when reading the “when Prince comes back” comments that were all over the place earlier in the season.
And I think all of you are right. :-)
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Diehl is terrible!!
I do not want to see him at LT next year! That is ridiculous. The OL needs to be revamped over the off season, badly!
completely
he lost the job for good reason.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, ie, leave Beatty at LT.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
can't believe I'm saying this, but I want Shawn Andrews back as a min salary sub.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
You just like his twitter feed ;)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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haha who doesn't?
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think TC is a follower
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Problem is
Who would you put at RT then? We need two tackles and Diehl does not play RT. And it has not sounded like Brewer should be playing yet.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Boothe can play anywhere. Free agency/draft could help too.
by The Cole Train on Jan 6, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
I agree Boothe can play anywhere on the line..but I also
Think he needs a permanent home on the line…He could go from good to great if allowed to focus on one position…I admire what he done but I hope he nails down one position..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Beatty and Boothe
They looked great together in 2010, it was way better than the individual. Perhaps cause they practiced together on 2nd string?
I’d love to see that again, keep training Petrus, he’s shown enough to merit future plans.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Diehl has played RT
And his play style is more suited to being in traffic (small spaces, power vs athleticism)
Redo Diehl’s contract, let Brewer compete, and draft another OT or FA
We also need another G/C, I’d love to see one in the draft
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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It's hard to say how he'll reshuffle (JR) as you don't know who drops to you in the draft
since he picks by talent and not need. I could see him moving up slightly in the 2nd round for a LT or C
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
As everyone else mentions
We need to address the OL in both draft and FA, more than anything else and that includes LB.
I agree Diehl is terrible..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Diehl should be the RT next year.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What does "revamped" mean, exactly?
Because you really can’t make huge changes to an Oline in any given year without asking for trouble.
Forgive me if I assume too much, but when I read revamp, I picture new guys to the team, rookies, FA’s….
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Got to use 'revamped' very carefully..
I think we have players already on the roster that are real close to growing into starting material..This line doesn’t need to re-build at all, just evolve is all..and heck if there’s a prize that shows up for us when we pick then by all means snag him..Continued growth and development of what we have..Let it evolve..
Right now, the concern is keeping the line we have and winning playoff games with it..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Evolve. Perfect way to phrase it.
We know what the Giants do with Olinemen and It’s not gonna change. We develop guys and inject the new blood when and where necessary
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I agree on most of these points
I think we will draft a LT in the first round if we can. Move Beatty to RT and keep Diehl at LT until the new guy is ready. Diehl is hardly great but he’s been way better than McKenzie, who I agree will likely not be resigned. And we do need a second tackle then.
I was expecting Thomas to make the Pro Bowl this year (and personally think he should have gone last year), so I’d love to see him back. I’m just not sure if he will be. This past off season has shaken my faith foundation in the front office. Some of these things have turned out great obviously, but the fact that three of the guys who have stepped up for our team this year are surprises to the front office too makes me feel like it was more luck that skill (Cruz, Ballard, and Boothe). I cannot trust they will make any decent sort of offer to Thomas to keep him and I think he will get interest from other teams even with his injury.
Oh
Any anyone claiming they knew Cruz would have the season he had I will call you a liar to your face.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I had him on my fantasy team, and ..
My son has his jersey, but I must admit it was for the number more than anything
I was pissed they didn't have him on the roster last year..I saw alot of potential..
But no way did I ever think he would have the year he’s having..unreal..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Oh and by the way, if they did keep him on the roster last year..
We would probably have already seen his capabilities after SS12 went down..Not alot, just a glimpse..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Actually
He was on the roster. He was on the 53 man roster for the first 3 weeks and then was put on IR for a questionable hamstring thing.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
What I'm saying is they shouldn't have IRed him for a hammy issue...Do we IR everybody that
pulls a hamstring?..We’d only have 1/3 of a team left..They made a big mistake doing that.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'll agree on that
It also came across as a little unethical to me too. A hamstring should not IR a young rookie guy (who I believe himself thought he was close to being back when he was IRd).
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Further Explanation
And I meant it was unethical because I’m pretty sure it was done to free a roster spot but also keep him on the team. There was an investigation by the NFL I believe but Reese was cleared.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
That's exactly right..The NFL did intervene..and thank God they approved it or Cruz would have
been burning up the league on another team..That would have resulted in Reeses all-time blunder..and me?..I’d be getting treated for an Ulcer..and attending Anger Management therapy..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
They approved it (and Cruz agreed)
Because the MRI showed significant damage, he may have felt fine, but he was at risk for a Ross style hammy, then where would we be?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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I don't recall reading anything about the MRI revealing significant damage..
They all get MRIs..Ross should have been IRed..His was significant..but like I said I didn’t read anything about Missile’s be real bad..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It was a small story when the NFL ruled on it
But it wasn’t just a strain, he did have partially torn hammy. But that’s the reason we kept him. If the MRI was clear, the league would have made him a free agent. At least that’s what I read.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Oh okay..I just didn't see I guess...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Back then he was a nobody
I only noticed cause I was surprised, it’s not the Giant way to break the rules, and I’m proud of that. I didn’t like the idea that they would stash him without cause, cheating is cheating.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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didn't they need the roster space
to sign the kicker Grahman for one game cause Tynes got hurt?
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Something like that
It sounds about right. I remember thinking it was pretty fishy, but did not think much of it since I did not expect much of Cruz at that point and we had like 6 guys ahead of him on the depth chart that were healthy.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
and anyone claiming that Beatty should be our RT and Diehl our LT
doesn’t have a clue what they’re talking about.
by TNYFBG on Jan 6, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
Someone claiming a guy who hasn’t been good enough to even be active most of the year should start has no clue either. And until we get someone else on the team that is the only guy you could be saying we should put at RT.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
HUH
Beatty was the starter every game till he was IRed for a torn retina, he was our best OL till he got hurt
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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I was more referring
To having Brewer start at RT since benching Diehl would only leave him left.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
if anything
you put Diehl at RT and Beatty at LT (not that I’m advocating that for a second), not the other way around.
I suppose
You could do that. I am not a big fan of moving OL guys around like every position is interchangeable. If we draft a LT I’d rather get started having Beatty learn the RT spot now so we don’t have two guys playing new positions when the new guy starts at LT.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'd advocate they compete in camp (Diehl and Brewer)
I’d have no problem with another OT in draft or FA, but that’s the way it works, you have a hole and you expect the next guy up to compete. Brewer is the next guy.
Diehl, he’s not the best LT on roster, he was a failure at LG, he won’t unseat Snee at RG, so if he’s going to play he should have to beat out Brewer at RT. if he can’t, with his salary, I’d say cap casualty.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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In all honesty
The more I think about it the more I’m thinking we bring in a FA for RT and hope we get lucky like we did with McKenzie. And I hope we draft a 1st round LT. That will leave Beatty at LT until the new guy is ready and then over th RT I guess, although I still am not a fan of 2 people playing new positions at once.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
McK was a star for Jets and got a huge contract
We overpaid, but we were desperate at the time
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Well then
I was not watching the roster moves quite as closely back then, didn’t realize we paid alot for him at the time. Still, until this year he has done a decent job. Maybe not worth a big contract but more than passable as a starting RT. With all of the FA busts in this league I call that a win heh.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
It was like 37 mil for 7 years, I believe.
12 mil signing bonus. I would say we have gotten our moneys worth from Mac.
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Boothe was not a surprise
JR said it was important to resign him and most of us were like Why? . . . they were’re dead on about him.
Cruz and Ballard were luck.
Yeah
I was hesitant to put him on there. I mainly did because I don’t think they were expecting him to be better than the guys they had starting above him (which he has at both C and LG this year). I know I didn’t expect it.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Many of us knew the signing was essential.
We lost two guys (Richie and O’Hara) who played the same position as Boothe. It made all the sense in the world based on performance and knowledge of the offense.
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I did think it was an important signing but I was not expecting him to be a starter for as much of the year as he has. And he has done better than expected while starting, certainly better than Diehl at guard (and I personally think he did better than Baas at center).
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no doubt.
He has been very good for us when needed. At two positions. A very valuable player indeed
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Thats a tricky game
The front office got lucky, but they seem to get lucky a lot
AB, TT, MM, Beatty, JPP, and now Cruz are all guys that have surprised. Maybe they just know a boatload more than we do.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Well
TT, Beatty, and JPP were all very high draft picks (MM was pretty high too, just not as high), so I’m not sure we can really call them surprises in the way I mean. I’m more referring to guys who even the front office obvious did not think were going to do what they did or else they’d have been drafted higher (or at all in Cruz’s case). AB is a perfect example.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
There are different kinds of surprises
JPP at 15? If everyone or anyone else knew/believed that he’d be a top 5 player on defense this year he’d have gone in top 3. That’s huge
TT was a 2nd round CB, who expected him to challenge CWEB as our top guy? Who thought we’d miss him that much when he was drafted. How many top CBs can go in the slot and get better?
Beatty was a 2nd, half the first round OTs bust down to RT or G, but Beatty’s a LT late 2nd
And my point was it seems like every year we have a nice surprise or two, guys blossoming, guys coming out of nowhere. When its a pattern, it’s not an accident.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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I'm pretty sure MM...
is “higher” than anyone else on the team.
"Sometimes it doesn’t work out the way you want it to work out, but we play the hand we’re dealt and we’ll win with it." -- Giants GM Jerry Reese
In Reese I trust.
by GiantFanInPackerLand on Jan 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Not gonna lie
I kept laughing about that to myself as I was typing that. Totally unintentional but it still fit heh.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Tyron Smith
Dude had a very good year in Dallas at RT … pretty good for a BTE … word on the street is he’s the future at LT
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Tuck had no problem with him soon as he was healthy
and if he’s their future at LT, the future’s bright twice a year for the lower case ny.
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are you saying he's a Tackle?
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
no.
I said he’s playing tackle. He IS a blocking TE.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Why in the world
would the Giants move the guy they drafted to be the LT and protect Eli through his prime and aging years to RT?
They spent three years developing this guy to be LT, and he finally gets on the field, played well overall, but now we are going to move him to RT because Mac is a FA and has had a horrible year?
Beatty is the LT next year.
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Honestly I was not all that thrilled with him there this year is why. I did not see any drop off on protecting Eli’s blindside with Diehl and we all know he is not some beacon of LTness. Our running game actually got better once he came out (although that might be more due to Boothe being in). Maybe I am jumping the gun on it but if there is a good LT available when we pick I’d be more than please with taking one.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I saw our best Olineman in Beatty before he got hurt.
The first half of the season our new C Baas and DD at LG were busy falling all over themselves while Beatty quietly slipped in to the most important position on the line (protecting Eli’s blindside) and performed well.
The part I like is that this was his first action as the full time every week starter and when the bullets are real, he showed that is capable of performing the jog as blindside protector.
He’s just getting started, His development will continue. If somehow, someway we draft a stud LT, the Giants will not put him in there right away. That’s just not how they develop players. Especially Olinemen. All the evidence is there to tell us that Beatty will be the LT next year unless there is some huge part of his development going south that I am missing.
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The O-line is a work in progress, as in re-building
Will be a priority in draft and FA
Completely disagree on Turner
Giants have a lot more problems with cutback runners. Turner has been terrible against better competition this year.
IMO we should be much more worried about Julio Jones/Roddy White(whoever isn’t being covered by Corey) running through our secondary.
Let's hope we see lots of hammer time.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
LB's
I am not convinced we have all the pieces. Allot of injuries leave questions heading into camp. If there is one available at draft, I think we use the pick. This has always been our calling card on D, and in recent years it has been suspect
It's been our calling card as a 3-4.
As a 4-3 defense, its our DEs….and no doubt we’ve succeeded in that respect. That isn’t to say that if there is one that fits, we don’t go for it.
But I think Jacquain Williams is the heir to Michael Boley. Herzlich/GJ53 might be the heir to Goff (who I think we re-sign).
I don’t think Sintim will be effective anymore, so I do see the need for drafting a SAM, to give Kiwi competition/allow Kiwi some breaks where he can go back to DE.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think alot of people (myself included) forget that the big LB centric Giants of old ran a 3-4. We’re now all about the DL (DEs specifically). I would still like to see a little LB improvement though, I think it will largely be dependent on our current rookie class. And I’d like to see Goff come back but I’m not sure that will happen.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. We also tend to forget that they are rookies....and have played like rookies.
I expected much worse from them simply because of the shortened training camp and zero OTAs. JWill has impressed. If we can see a step up from them the upcoming year, I’m not sure how large our needs at WLB and MLB will be.
I wouldn’t mind taking Kuechly if he were available. Nor would I mind Burfict if he fell to us in the 2nd.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Good call on the 3-4 vs the 4-3
LB’s in this set need to be better at covering the TE’s and the RB’s vs the pass. drafting someone in the SAM slot, very athletic would be a plus
no doubt.
I think Boley/JWill have done OK (good, not great) at covering the TEs. But we need to improve on sniffing out screens and closing in on the ball carrier. Kiwi has been great at run defense, but not pass coverage at SAM.
I’d love to get an athlete there with pass coverage abilities. Unfortunately, the only good talent in the 1st/2nd round at SAM is Vontaze Burfict, but he’s lazy and an idiot.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
He is like that fool on the lions, allot of cheap shots. I would be terrible at the draft. My philosophy would be to take the best talent available at the time, no matter what the position.
that would be my philosophy of choice as well.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I agree..You really have to be lucky to get a player that fills a need..Rarely does that happen
So you get the best talent available..The only teams that are fornunate enough to fill needs are those teams that suck…One example of a O-line pick was Pouncey who stepped right in for the Dolphins..they got him because they suck…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
JR and FA
I think this is one area he could improve on. I know we pride ourselves on building through the draft, getting the guys who fit in and staying away from head cases. But I like FA for certain positions.
Yeah it is a risk though..Baas hasn't been the immediate fix we needed at Center..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
GMs agree NFL FA is a total crap shoot
Consider, we resigned Kiw off a potentially career ending neck injury, then let SS walk with no viable replacement on roster (outside view)
Reality, JR and the docs knew Kiwi was basically sound and knew SS wasn’t. It’s always that way, the team knows way more. The opportunities in FA are guys like MM. Here’s a talented guy that seems like a system mismatch. There’s still risk, cause maybe it’s not the system, but few teams let high caliber guys go. They are just too hard to replace.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
More so then the draft?
Allot busts each year. If you can get someone proven at their position, playing for a team with cap issues, and is not on the downside of their career…..
Draft is far more consistent if your good at it
Not that we shouldn’t sign FAs, but we signed Baas and O’Hara, they looked about the same before they got here.
O’Hara became a pro bowl guy, Baas might not, but it’s a crap shoot, cause who lets a pro bowl center walk? You’re depending on other teams mistakes, which is dangerous.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I think Burfict would shape up here pronto
But he scares me in a Willy Joe way
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
If he's there when they pick..They will have already evaluated his head...
The G-men don’t draft problem children..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
They won't go near him if they think he's really a headcase
If they think it’s a lack of structure and leadership, he might be attractive
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
You can see from his body language he is a head case
But his play is remarkable. Passion we could use.
I really don’t know how mental he is but if they think they can teach him to control himself and avoid the persistent head hits, it would be worth a try. Just be ready for the untimely penalties.
This guy has talent. In case nobody noticed, THE number 56 was a bit crazy himself but I think he did OK.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, but
Number 56 played in a different time ( drug testing ) I am not saying LT would not have been great, but he got a little help “getting up” for games
Nah...yeah but
Probably true but he was nuts anyway.
In one interview I saw, he talked about his favorite part of the game. It was when he hit quarterbacks and snot bubbles came out of their noses as they shook.
Uh, a bit off I think.
I am not advocating for Burfict because I don’t know enough about him. Just saying he is worth a look for sure. The talent and desire are there, have to assess his maturity and ability to learn.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Also have to give credit to Parcells
Think LT could have played for TC? Bill kept him in check, most of the time
Jerry Jones philosophy
I think Mr Jones thinks this way allot. Did he offer you some cool-aid??
I was thinking of LT..before I commented earlier..They were able to channel
His energy, but he wasn’t a dirty player..He just legally beat the shit out of people…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Like they have always said..
He was a game changer. I can still see him getting the guys up before the SF playoff game, telling them to “Play like a bunch of wild dogs”
I don't think LT would enjoy playing todays game...
Where they are only given a small strike-zone when hitting a QB..Can’t hit them high can’t hit them low..crazy..I just can’t imagine a kinder, gentler LT..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Guess you missed him on...
Dancing with the Stars… not that I would know, wife told me
Thank God...you don't watch that shit..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Vontaze Burfict = Rolando 2.0
in that, we oversalivate only to see him go way before we pick.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Burfict kind of sucks tho
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I see him as a ...
wait for it …
This is the number one google search result for “tight end.” And well it should be.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
that is indeed a tight end
also the KC Chiefs are ass.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If Osi Goes
Kiwi’s should be put into the DE rotation, so a SAM is a major priority.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
by The Pale Scot on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I think they'd be fine at SAM
Herzlich is probably better suited to be that guy anyway. He’s more of an “LB” then Kiwi and probably Goff could slide over there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It seems everyone is forgetting Brewer.
He was drafted in the 4th round to be the RT of the future and the Giants said up front he would not be playing this year. The man is 6’6" 330.
Only the coaching staff knows if he has been learning well, but I’d trust Flaherty to bring him to a position to compete for the job next year.
I know OL is an area of need, but from an optimistic point of view this depth chart doesn’t look horrific:
Beatty - Petrus - Baas - Snee - Brewer
Diehl - Boothe - Cordle — Ugoh — ??
get a nice 1-2 rounder in the mix and we should be strong!
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
It's not horrific at all. Our depth isn't that great though. And I'd need to see Brewer in action as well. Other than that, I'm good with that line.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Well if we have learned anything this year, it is....
Depth. depth, depth
sigh. I hate injuries!
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
They want depth
But you also have to keep bringing in young guys for the bench, so there will always be guys like Brewer, remember Beatty was that guy his rookie year.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I wonder how they think about Brewer?..
In ’85 they drafted Conrad Goode..He was the exact same size..They had high hopes, but he never panned out and got cut..I said hi to him at training camp and thought I was talking to a building.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
He got tons better in preseason
First game looked like he was lost, a total bust
Last game I had to double check his number cause I couldn’t believe it was the same guy
Of course he was working with the roster fodder, so who knows, but I was pleased with the improvement.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Brewer probably could go in there and be decent
I think they could draft any position on the OL and justify it. All of the guys here already are versatile enough to be moved around. David DeCastro is probably the perfect fit and hes a G
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I don't believe he is....TT and Ross are though.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Since I'm talking up the Brewer
Ed, or anybody: What injury did Brewer sustain to his leg back in August? Is that over now and has he been practicing with the team all season?
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
I think he's been practicing since midseason, but I could be mistaken
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 6, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
AHAHAHAHAHAH
If I’m the Giants, I look at maybe moving Will Beatty over to right tackle next year and leaving David Diehl at left tackle (where I think he’s played better this year).
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… WTF are you talking about crazy lady?
Does this broad even understand the basic game of football or does she just regurgitate what she hears from her pretty little pedestal in the press box.
Yeah
I said this above, she is really losing respect and possibly losing her mind.
Diehl stinks (indisputable) and I think Goff gets resigned unless there is some outlandish offer. Coming off injury, I don’t think that will happen.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Unless someone gives him a crazy offer, I don't see why he wouldn't be brought back
JR likes, cheap players maybe he signs a deal similar to Kiwi, 2 years so he can prove he is healthy again.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 6, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
was he an ACL too?
I can’t even keep track anymore…. Yeah, I don’t see anyone giving him huge money. I’d think he’s looking at a year or two “prove it” deal and he might as well do that here, then maybe Herz or someone is ready to take the reigns in a year or two.
broad? not the coolest thing i heard today.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
I highly doubt it's the worst
it’s a pretty common colloquialism in these here parts, don’t try to read it into a misogynistic comment. This has nothing to do with her not having a penis and everything to do with her ridiculous responses. I perfectly enjoy reading Jenny Vrentas before she went to cover the Jets and Aditi from ESPN, not to mention reporters like Linda Cohn, so pull that horse right on over.
and watching
Erin Andrews
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Through a bigger peep hole
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Hahaha!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
She's my favorite
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
And thats Inez Sainz
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Oh
Google had her as Flanagan
Perry Fewell Stinks!
It's not an NBC mic
It’s that Azteca whatever place she works for. Flanangan is taller and thinner
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
you are right
it’s a Azteca Deportes mic
Perry Fewell Stinks!
she's holding a NBC microphone
Flanagan worked for NBC. I don’t believe Sainz has worked for NBC.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Sainz has a bigger butt
Perry Fewell Stinks!
I could be wrong, I'm not 100%
But it’s not an NBC mic and I remember that pic from when we were all talking and posting about Miss Inez
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Call me crazy..
Butt I never noticed any mikes. I do not know how you would even get those jeans off of her
Holy moley!!!...Yikes!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
hmm
Been surfing these " here parts " for almost 3 yrs, and I wouldn’t call it common . It’s a
Dick move on your part. I’m the first guy to bash, but its the work not the person I aim at. Color it how u want , its still a Dick move . Try n hold urself to a higher standard
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
A better question might be....
….who is under contract and due money but will get cut like O’hara and Seubert this year. I don’t know of anyone (other than DD) who’s perfromance has been so bad they would tell him to not show up next year.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I don't think it should happen
But I think that they will do so to Jacobs.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
KMac is a FA after this year
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Thing about Diehl
he has been better at LT then LG. He is not the answer for that position next year, but he could be a decent sub (if he was willing to take the demotion).
Yeah that would be an option...
Alot of these positions will be won during training camp, which they didn’t have this year..That is a critical need especially for O-linemen…Plus we had alot of Rooks that didn’t have that which hurt bigtime..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Dream line
Beatty – Carl Nicks – Baas – Snee – Boothe
Petrus, Brewer and a draft pick are available when the inevitable injury occurs.
I'd hope Brewer could beat out Boothe
who I think it better on the interior and more valuable as a super-sub.
But if this were the case, I would be just fine with it. Wouldn’t mind keeping Ugoh or someone like him for some veteran tackle depth. Hell, I’d be fine with keeping Diehl for that if he doesn’t mind not being a starter
has Boothe ever played tackle?
I agree, put a surging and skilled Brewer there!
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
That was the first place I remember him playing
And he was horrible at it
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
it's nice to see Pat acknowledge Webster is in fact the #1 CB on this team
but TT getting hurt had NOTHING to do w/ the ZONE Defense that Fewell implemented.
in fact, a guy like TT who’s a great tackler, physical player, and limited as a cover corner is an ideal fit in a Zone Defense. Sure he’s ok in man when he’s allowed to press and bump and run but in “off” coverage…meh.
TT’s injury did not effect Fewells’ scheme….Fewell did.
Fire Fewell
Pat Traina...and this Friday Five thing..
To be honest I really don’t have a problem with her answers at all…That’s her opinion and we can disagree..Heck we all have our debates out here amongst ourselves alot..haha..
I just view this as a Q&A that generates really good discussion, which is fun..
Hell, Ed could go find anyone else to ask questions and we still would barf all over some of the answers…So, cut her some slack for crying out loud..She’s a writer/reporter, not a GM..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
+1
It’s about opinions and how each person views it. Not much different than politics and religion
Is this really Bobbi trying to inject some sanity?
Or is it an imposter?
Really, I respect different opinions but in this case, she is going against such an obvious fact. DD was just terrible by every measure and intangible. I would be like saying Sanchize had a better year than Eli. The stats and films say no. If you make a ridiculous statement, you will be shat upon.
I am not insulting her personally, just saying her judgement is way off. This is black and white, no gray here.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
you said it far nicer than I ever would
I’m sorry, bobbi, I expect more out of someone that holds an esteemed nyG press pass. If you’re going to be one of the privileged few to hold one, come correct or don’t come at all.
Bobbi just ran out of beer this early in the morning
I feel empathy for him.
And we love our brother Bobbi (in a manly way of course!).
No gifs on this Fester!
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha!!!...The responses I got make me feel like I farted and lit a match..
I now have powder burns..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I saw someone do that once and it actually lit
Scarred me for life.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 6, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
It bugs me when people attack her as a person or gender
People don’t do that too men, it’s just way to 1944 for me.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
ha!
Skip Bayless?
John Clayton?
Joe Buck?
We destroy men here as being sissy-boy idiots. Personally.
I’d agree we’re only your average beer-swilling dumb football guys when it comes to hooter-giffing, but I don’t think her views would be any less attacked if she was Patrick Traina.
Fact: Commentators don’t know jack. None of’em. They have to just stick with it and keep the facade going. Occasionally they’re right, and that’s what they hang their hat on.
Anyway, I’m with Booby Blue, disagreement is the foundation of sports talk so keep’em coming, Traina!
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I’ve seen a bunch of “This is why women should have nothing to do with sports” type comments about her. Disagree with her opinions if you want, don’t just outright dismiss them because she is a woman.
by Midnight Blue on Jan 6, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Some of the females covering the NFL
are very good. Very knowledgeable. Pat doesn’t fall into that category.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
if a woman is actually an analyst like Pat, they must really know their stuff and Pat does.
9/10 times the ‘men’ who are analysts are the ones that don’t know their ass from their elbow. At least when the woman who’s just there for a job and doesn’t know much, she’s just a sideline reporter asking questions. Douchers like John Clayton should be sideline reporters.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yea some of the above comments
got really close if not did cross the line
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
The problem
is fans expect media members to be more informed. The reality most fans would do a better job than the media.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Nah we'd (of most of we)
would do just a poor job as them
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The Ballard of Jake:
Stop→Slow→Truck→LEAP!
(Adapted from Raptor 22)
For O-Line
I’m thinking that starting line will be (LT-RT)
Beatty-Petrus-Baas-Snee-Brewer
(Diehl & Boothe being super subs, with Diehl inked to a more cap-friendly contract)
Beatty is the better LT. He’s proven that. Leave him there and let him grow.
I love what Petrus brings to the line with his athleticism and attitude.
Then if a guy like Zietler (G, Wisconsin) falls to the 3rd, they can draft him and develop him as Snee’s replacement.
I much prefer Reese’s “reloading” of the O-line to straight rebuilding. Chemistry is a must up front, and diamonds tend to fall through the cracks to mid-round picks.
I think Baas is the best C on the team. He’s stonewalled Ratliff and Cofield. IMO, his problems in run-blocking come from unfamiliarity with the line and Eli, given how much Eli audibles, and how much we ask the G/C’s to pull & trap. Given an offseason to gel, I think he’ll be great.
Snee is Snee. Given a gelled line and not having to play through injury/food poisoning, he will be Snee again.
Beatty was ready to go last season, and he was more raw than Brewer, so I have faith that Brewer could go next year. With a full year of working on techinique with Flaherty, I have faith that Brewer can start, and at least play better than Boothe, Diehl, or KMac at that spot. Given time, I love his size/agility for run and pass blocking.
I'm worried on Snee - never thought I would say that but he must be fighting injuries this year
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Yeah I mentioned earlier..not having a training camp hurt our O-line more than other teams
That have an established line..We had a bunch of young guys to deal with..and I agree about Baas..He had no time to fully understand the offense and work with Eli, which is crucial for a center..I just hope we’ve pieced together enough parts to take us deep in the playoffs..
The strange thing about our line this year, is most O-line love to run block and grind it out, they don’t really like to pass block..but of course the way the game has evolved they need to do both if a team has any chance to win..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Couldn't agree more on who to keep and who goes
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
partial agreement with Pat
I agree that Thomas will be back! I also see a move to retain Goff depending on how high the Giants pick up a linebacker in the draft. I see our name attached to Zach Brown alot. I also see a OL pick high in the draft for the Giants to replace our aging warriors. If you loose Manningham then another WR would be necessary. I know we have compensation picks coming to us in the draft.
by Exiled in Missouri on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions
unlike most
I don’t believe the Giants draft a LB. I expect Goff to return plus they have invested in all these rookie LBs. The only caveat being is if one falls into their lap unexpected like Prince last year.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
Zach Brown wouldn't really have anything to do with Goff
Goff at worst is a “2-down” type dude, the run stopper. Brown can do all that too, but he’s probably faster then most of our secondary (not saying much, Brown is really really fast). Having him, Boley and Jacquain out there would be real nice.
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I respectfully dissagree with Pat on a few points.
Baas played well last week and the line seems to be coming together in both aspects of the offense. Manningham has definitely dissapointed to a degree, but who’s gonna pay him somewhere else. I’d offer him low and see what other teams offer. He DOES have a respectable skill set, just not too bright. Also the coaches like Goff and he’s not getting any real offers out there, either. Why not offer contracts with no guarantees? It keeps competition at a high level.
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yea...Beatty at LT and Diehl at RT would probably be ideal.
Diehl’s obviously a tackle only, and while left vs. right is not as easy a transition as it sounds I think he should be penciled in as the RT next year if he’s still with the team.
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If Brewer is good to go....
He should be our RT. I like DD, but he’s a Super Sub if we get the other positions smoothed out. Petrus played great in the run but just needs to polish his pass blocking. Beatty-Petrus-Baas-Snee-Brewer with Diehl and Boothe as Super Subs and another rookie or two to develop and training camp competition.
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Pat's playoff prediction is finally in....
She thinks the Giants will make the playoffs.
FIRE Perry Fewell
And she thinks the Giants have a chance at the Divisional Round...
as long as they win.
FIRE Perry Fewell
and she thinks the Giants go to the SB
if they win 3 more games
Perry Fewell Stinks!
How immature are we? lol
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by bleedblue12 on Jan 6, 2012 5:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Spags logic escapes me.
So, if AR is on the “hot seat”, and Spags does his job, Eagles do great and AR keeps his HC job.
Wouldn’t likelihood of succeeding TC as HC due to age sooner (assuming Spags does well again as DC) seem higher?
Plus the classier organization is 95 miles further north.
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