10 "Change-ups" I'd Like to See the Giants run in SB46

by Manningologist on Jan 28, 2012 1:23 PM EST

1. Get Mitch Petrus on the field. Rather than always bring in an extra OT at TE, how about inserting the big mauler next to Baas and extend Diehl or McKenzie out wider as a TE. Would really help against Wilfork and would definitely be unexpected. We always talk about getting our best players on the field on Def - same should go on offense - he's a beast - use him!

2. Run the Giants favorite trick play: the flea flicker. Haven't seen it in awhile and it's had some classic success for the G-Men in the playoffs.

3. Anytime Hernandez is lined up in the backfield blitz a LB or S to his side to keep him in to block.

4. CB blitz Brady early (once from each side) to help get him extra jumpy. Also will give the OL something else to worry about anytime we can line up a DB close to the line. Might end up getting some miscommunication and get a player in unblocked.

5. Run at least 1 or 2 end arounds to keep the D honest (don't want to see a reverse - we haven't one run in a while and no reason to risk a bad handoff between 2 WRs).

6. When the Pats have their big three DL on the field run no-huddle (not hurry up) to tire them out. Do this as early as possible in the game. (Everyone has been bringing this one up).

7. Run counters and misdirections until the Pats overplay it and only then run straight ahead.

8. Run pitches and tosses to get the run plays off tackle until the Pats overplay it (see#7)

9. 3rd and long situations put Ramses Barden underneath on Gronkowski - take away size advantage. Obviously keep a safety overtop. Use that height for something.(Works for the Pats - use it against them).

10. Pats are very short on DBs go four wide (even 5 a few times) - get Devin Thomas and Jerrigan in the game and get the Pats really awful dime personnel on the field.

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CB blitzing?

Spags left a few yrs ago. Fewell no comprende

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by sweatyguido on Jan 28, 2012 3:23 PM EST reply actions

Maybe Coughlin can remind him? LOL.

by Manningologist on Jan 28, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions

There won't be a whole lot of blitzing.

Giants will mostly rely on bringing pressure with 2-4 guys. They might blitz early or once in awhile, but I wouldn’t expect anything exotic. They’re going to focus on disrupting the Pats pass game by dropping 7-8 back and clogging up the middle of the field between the numbers where Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez thrive. Pats are as limited at WR as they are at DB.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 28, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions

Just hope I don't see any 3 man rushes on passing downs.

by Manningologist on Jan 28, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions

You probably will,

more likely 4-man rushes on 3rd and long. Probably all DEs, too.

It is what it is

by Middlesex on Jan 29, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions

Nascar everytime

And if they keep a back or TE in as an extra blocker then I hope they bring a LB or safety.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions

It will be mixed in.

And it has been a valuable tool since Fewell changed up his coverage philosophy.

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by tommy d. on Jan 29, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

He's mixing up the pass rush quite well now

You see NASCAR, 3 man, base 4-man, one DT 4-man

And from this fans perpspective, Mike Boley’s getting a lt of latitude, if his coverage is pass blocking he can take off and chase the QB. Not exotic like Saints, but it’s a nice blend of looks.

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by trueblue63 on Jan 29, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions

The schemes,

and more importantly the results are impressing the hell outta me.

This team is playing GREAT team defense.

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by tommy d. on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions

Like we did in week nine.

Only having to rush four is so awesome.

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by tommy d. on Jan 29, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions

3rd and long situations put Ramses Barden underneath on Gronkowski – take away size advantage. Obviously keep a safety overtop. Use that height for something.(Works for the Pats – use it against them).

this uh…doesn’t work for the Pats.

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by Rorschach44 on Jan 28, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions

LOL - just meant the height advantage. Not putting half your offense on defense!

by Manningologist on Jan 28, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions

Flea Flicker

Absolutely. If we go to overtime, I want to see the Giants run this as their first play.

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by Commander Prime on Jan 28, 2012 7:28 PM EST via Android app reply actions

No not in overtime just use it in middle 4th quarter.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 29, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions

Brady will still be hurting

from that hit he took last week going over the top. Massive blow to unprotected lower back, bent him backwards on himself. I guarantee you he will still be stiff next week. We need early and convincing pressure on him to make him skittish. He is at his worst then.

by smaugtheterrible on Jan 28, 2012 8:24 PM EST reply actions

Rattle him early and then he starts seeing pressure even when it's not there.

by Manningologist on Jan 28, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions

I think he'll be fine with two weeks of rehab and massage

face it, they’re just about 100%, and I think we are too!

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 29, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions

Main concern on our side is Jacquian Williams

We need him to cover those TEs – he is in a boot at the moment – hopefully he’s full speed. Everyone else including Nicks with his shoulder should be good to go.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions

He said he will be 100% ready for the game.

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by BB1156 on Jan 30, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

I still not will believe

Gronk is ok until I see it. His ankle was crushed on that play.

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by tommy d. on Jan 29, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions

funny i will assume he's 100%

unless I see otherwise!

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 29, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions

No way he's 100%

From someone that’s had those kind of injuries

Every ankle is different, but you can’t put that much torque on it and not have damage. Even if he can play, the tape up will limit mobility in that foot, hurt him in and out of his cuts

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by trueblue63 on Jan 29, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions

All I can say is high ankle sprains + super bowls =

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 29, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions

Just look at the video

of what happened to Gronk’s ankle. I don’t know if there is video of how Plax hurt his, but each one is different. And Gronk’s is gruesome.

Also, Plax was in essence a decoy. He caught two balls and said he could only cut left, I believe.

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by tommy d. on Jan 30, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, it's mostly just my own philosophy and game-waiting

I assume everybody on the other team is 100% until I see otherwise… that way changes/surprises can only be to the Giants advantage…

(I also assume our guys will all be scratches)

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 30, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions

Gotcha :-)

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by tommy d. on Jan 30, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions

#10.

I think is pretty realistic. The Giants are going to want to get Edelman on the field as much as possible. I think the 4 would be Nicks, Cruz, Ham, and Beckum, though – although I wish we would dust off Barden for this game…or even break the glass on Jernigan.

by Pink Flamingo on Jan 29, 2012 8:22 AM EST reply actions

If Beckum can just contribute 2-3 short passes for first downs it would be excellent.

I doubt any Giants fan would be surprised if we take a shot with Beckum deep down the seam early in the game either.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions

Beckum is the right choice

Experience matters, it’s how we play

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by trueblue63 on Jan 29, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions

I like the idea of getting a little creative on offense

but I’d hesitate to get to cute with it. The Giants offense has a clear advantage on the Pats D and I do think that they should be able to move the ball on them with their straight up offense. So while I’d love to see a misdirection play here and there, I’m more hopeful that we simply stick to the game plan that got us here. And I absolutely hate the toss play, no offense.

by mtcl05 on Jan 29, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions

Agreed - not too cute - just a few wrinkles to keep ahead of the Patriots making adjustments.

As far as the toss goes – I usually don’t like it much either – in this game if they have their big 3 DTs on the field at the same time it might be a nice wrinkle to try once or twice. Or even just run some nice stretch plays with both Jacobs and Bradshaw.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions

The shortest distance between 2 points is always a straight line...

If they play disciplined football and eliminate turnovers then this game is more than winnable. We can’t have the weekly 2 false starts, 1 delay of game, 2 holding penalties, and the unacceptable personal foul. No ‘illegal blocks in the back’ either!

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by nywins42 on Jan 29, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions

Holding penalties

I heard a weird stat the other day (don’t remember if it was before or after the Championship games) that there had been about 8 holding penalties in the entire playoffs and 6 of them were against the Giants. That really bothered me b/c our DEs have been held sooo much in the playoffs. Hopefully when they are holding Tuck and Pierre-Paul, etc., we get some calls.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions

Awesome list, another idea on Gronkowski

To add to the Gronk coverage, I was thinking a different look in short yardage. Put Kiwi on him and hit him coming off the line. Really hit him. A big guy like him is not used to getting hit. He’s not going to like it. He’s not a speedy guy like Davis. Kiwi can run with him short.

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by ct17 on Jan 29, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions

Especially liking no.6

One of the diffcult things about facing New England’s defense is preparing to face both their 4-3 and 3-4 base defense, and adjusting to these different looks during the game. If we limit the amount of defensive substitutions they make, we can pick and choose which base defense we want to go up against. If we catch them in a 3-4 defense with a 3WR set for example that should mean cruz is on a linebacker. I’d happily see us go no huddle for the rest of that drive. The colts did it really well agasint us last year when we were implementing our 3 safety package into pass defense, and ended up torching us in the run game.

by BigBlueUK on Jan 29, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions

Cruz on a LB - I'll take that all day.

And when Edelman is on the field – run straight at him and challenge him to tackle Bradshaw or Jacobs.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions

Absolutely hit Gronk anytime we can

Especially with his ankle injury we have to hit him at every opportunity. Hernandez and Welker too. Brady wants to hit them all short on rhythm.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions

2, 5, 7, & 8

VERY UNLIKELY. This was my biggest issue with KGs offense. We dont run anything from the misdirection variety. There’s nothing in our playbook that gets the defense flowing one way & the play goes the other way. Its all about AB cutting back against the grain. sorry to burst the bubble.

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by 1giantlion on Jan 29, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions

Unfortunately you are probably right. But I have a strange feeling Coughlin is going to have him throw the 'ole flea flicker.

The misdirection would really work so well against their big 3 behemoths. Hopefully Bradshaw’s improvisations will work all the magic our run game needs.

by Manningologist on Jan 29, 2012 7:27 PM EST reply actions

Beckam

despite his inconsistent use, when he’s on the field he is an undeniable deep threat. Against the Packers, he would have had an 80+ yard TD if Eli had more time

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