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2012 Super Bowl, Key Matchup: Vince Wilfork Vs. David Baas, And Others

FOXBORO, MA - JANUARY 22:   Vince Wilfork #75 of the New England Patriots celebrates after defeating the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Championship Game at Gillette Stadium on January 22, 2012 in Foxboro, Massachusetts. The New England Patriots defeated the Baltimore Ravens 20-23.  (Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images)

The biggest headache for the New York Giants offense in facing the New England Patriots in the 2012 Super Bowl is knowing that Bill Belichick has two full weeks to cook up ways to try and confuse Eli Manning and derail the Giants' explosive passing attack.

The biggest problem physically, and I do mean biggest, is trying to deal with New England nose tackle Vince Wilfork. Handling Wilfork (who has to weigh at least 25 pounds more than his listed weight of 325 pounds) is, to me, the Giants' biggest obstacle in handling the New England defense on Super Bowl Sunday.

Star-divide

The Star-Ledger's Jenny Vrentas wrote this about Wilfork after the Patriots defeated the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Championship Game:

The Patriots' (generously listed) 325-pound defensive lineman took over the AFC Championship Game last week. The game was vindication for a 31st-ranked Patriots defense that had been doubted and criticized all season, deemed unfit to make the Super Bowl, even with Tom Brady on the other side of the ball.

And leading the charge was Wilfork, the "elder statesman" as coach Bill Belichick called him, with a sack, three tackles for a loss and two key plays that suffocated a critical fourth-quarter drive by the Ravens.

He lined up not just inside but also at end. He ate up double and triple teams. And he is now the problem of the Giants' offensive line.

On paper, Wilfork will generally be the responsibility of Giants' center David Baas. That's a matchup that has to scare Giants fans, considering that Baas has battled injuries and inconsistency in his first season since coming to the Giants as a free agent after beginning his career with the San Francisco 49ers. Baas has not exactly shown to be a physical mauler capable of handling a guy like Wilfork.

SI.com's Chris Burke recently broke down the upcoming matchup between Wilfork and the Giants offensive line. In that breakdown he called Wilfork "a man amongst boys" against the Ravens and said he was "impossible to handle."

The Giants will have to find a way to keep him from simply shoving Baas, Kevin Boothe or any other blockers into the backfield on Super Bowl Sunday. Burke used several illustrations from the Patriots-Ravens game to show what Wilfork was able to do during that game. He also used several other illustrations to show where the Giants -- and Bass in particular -- struggled against nose tackle Ray McDonald and the 49ers front line.

Burke looked at the game, looked at the six sacks and constant pressure Manning faced against the 49ers and said simply "The Giants have to figure out some way, between now and Super Bowl Sunday, to shore up their pass protection." He added "it's hard to envision anyone on the Giants' O-line stopping Wilfork one-on-one."

Burke's blueprint appears to be keeping an extra tight end, or as I think of the way the Giants have aligned quite often this season, an extra lineman in place of a tight end, in as an extra blocker. Thus, assigning two lineman to Wilfork, relying on the other linemen to win one-on-one and relying on the team's talented wide receivers to win down the field.

Burke concludes with this:

Keeping the Patriots' big DT from bull-rushing into the backfield will be a major point of emphasis for the Giants. It won't be easy to do, and New York will need to be a lot better up front than it was against San Francisco to have any hope.

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Center has been a huge weakness all year and I hope that's not the X factor.

Eli Manning, Derek Jeter, and Sidney Crosby are all called overrated yet prove time and time again why they are not.

by ineliitrust on Jan 27, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

It actually hasnt been a huge weakness

One center is hurt but still doing good, and when Booth slides over he looks like a pro bowler at that spot.

Coehision on the line, especially when Diehl was at LG was the weakness IMO.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Boothe should remain at center.

The OL performs so much better when hes there. of course this won’t happen because the Giants have invested so much in Baas but a fact is still the fact.

If you want to argue that Manning is a) not a great quarterback or b) not the best quarterback in franchise history your credibility is automatically shot.

by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 27, 2012 2:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Personally

I think that’s because they put Petrus at G when the slide CaBoothe over. His energy, strength, and athleticism are a tough matchup for D-lines, and he brings a different attitude to the O-line.

by Raptor22 on Jan 27, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

The OLine has been most productive with the Boothe/Petrus combination.

by blumag on Jan 27, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Petrus

Not sure Boothe is better than Baas. Neither has really distinguished himself.

I disagree with the majority on this board ….Boothe just ain’t that good. He is OK. No more. A solid backup. No starter.

But he is what we have so…..

Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.

by MSP Giant on Jan 28, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

i do not understand what Petrus says tough.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well we all know one thing..Petrus will never play center...

Shit..first time they line up and he starts pointing and hollering..they’ll think it is half-time and run off the field..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 29, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 29, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I respect you opinion..but disagree..Boothe helped get us here..

and I think he deserves to be a starter, but in one spot..they move him all over the joint…He deserves to stick in one spot..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 29, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Boothe at centre (with Petrus at Guard) has worked at least as well as Baas at centre if not better. I’d really like to see Boothe in there but that seems highly unlikely unless Baas goes down in the game again, which is happening more and more frequently – not exactly the way I’d like to see Boothe taking snaps, though.

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Jan 28, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

The knock has been

That when its Booth and Petrus the Pass protection is not as good but the run blocking is better. We, like most other teams in the NFL, have become a pass oriented team and as such we need to put the best line out there that we can to support that.. Of course last week did not matter but if you take a closer look at the game, the 9’ers dialed up there pass rush after Bass got injured.

by NYGIANTSGW on Jan 28, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

We have had Baas in the playoffs and we have reached to the superbowl.

We just need to have an extra lineman or TE to help double team on Wilfork.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Anybody else hoping Baas can't play????

Every time he is in the line up it seems we can’t run the ball!!!

by bdasilva7785 on Jan 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

I want him to play when he is healthy but he is not

and sometimes that scares me……. so thats why im fine if we go Petrus and Phone Boothe.

If Bass was healthy there would really be no competition really, but he is clearly hurt but he’s toughing through it.

The pass blocking has been fine, its the run blocking thats a problem.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We do both run and pass protect better when Boothe and Petrus are playing.

Hurt or not this is the superbowl and we need to play our best game this week coming up.

by bdasilva7785 on Jan 27, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass blocking has been fine?!?

Did you watch the conference championship game?

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Jan 28, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

We are discussing the coming game against Patriots

Compared to 49ers game what we will face is considerably easy. At 49ers we were facing a top pass rush there which is just a notch below ours

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 30, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

If Boothe Had

2 weeks to prepare at center, the snap issue would clear up a lot. Personally I like the Petrus-Boothe combo better, especially for the running game.

Depending on what BB is dialing up on defense, we really may need to become more of a ground-and-pound team for this game. I know that’s counter to the conventional wisdom, but if we can run the ball effectively, we keep Brady off the field. Petrus and Boothe do give us our best chance there.

It’s a moot point, though – Baas appears to be the guy.

by Pink Flamingo on Jan 27, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Jan 27, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole inside of the OL has really sucked this season

I’m hoping Peter Konz is there for us to take in the draft. Deihl was terrible at OG and has done a much better job at LT. I think he could be a decent RT for next year with McKenzie sucking as well and he is probably gone next season

by michaelkhan3 on Jan 28, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes peter konz may be a good pick

I was really hoping to beef up the O-line in last year’s draft. We probably would have taken Solder if it weren’t for the evil empire. I had hoped for Marcus Canon as well but no such luck. This year would love to see us take Cordy Glenn, Osemele and maybe Mike adams among others. Draft needs in my mind are OL, TE, LB and maybe a big NT for fun.

by 585356 on Jan 28, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Another handful, i had arguments with my fellow G fans over Justin Smith being the best D lineman in the league

Arguably!…… and this guy is in the same boat IMO, he can make that same claim. Baas being as though he is clearly not 100% will need help but luckily Wilfork doesnt have the co stars that smith did.

None the less i feel like the the inside backing core of Spikes and Mayo is on the rise and could be a problem for us as well.

Big Vince will make plays but i think we will be fine, that secondary better get some good stretching in because Nicks, Cruz and Ham are coming. I expect a similar game plan like we had in SF offensively. Pass, Pass and more Pass.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

but luckily Wilfork doesnt have the co stars that smith did

He still has two other big guys up front in Kyle Love (mainly the NT) and Deadrick. Love looks like he is close to the same size as wilfork, and usually commands double teams. Deadrick is a power guy, and a solid DL. He is not amazing though.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Eli's got a seven yard head start on him and

Wilfork weighs 400 pounds. Baas should just try to cut him and hope the ball or ball carrier are long gone by the time Wilfork gets up.

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Jan 27, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

If Baas can shake the injuries that have been nagging him

Then I’m not worried.

Baas really hasn’t been the problem. He’s stonewalled Jay Ratliff twice, He’s stonewalled Cofield, He stonewalled BJ Raji. The biggest problem the line has had is nagging injuries and a lack of cohesion/time together.

Yes Wilfork can be dominant, but he’s the only one on their D who really can be.

by Raptor22 on Jan 27, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Packers

stuffed us on the run. Niners did, too. Wilfork may be the most dominant guy yet to play directly opposite Baas.

I don’t think Baas’ injuries are going away until next season. If we have to rob Peter to pay Paul, so to speak, to deal with Wilfork, somebody on the NE defense is going to benefit from the extra attention paid to 75.

by Pink Flamingo on Jan 27, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

you mean, this guy?

"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."

by jcalafiore on Jan 27, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!

by Fester McDougal on Jan 27, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

man, he'll eat anything!

"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."

by jcalafiore on Jan 27, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Flacco

He sure liked eating that bird.

by Pink Flamingo on Jan 27, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny that Fork is in his name...

I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!

by Fester McDougal on Jan 27, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

...when he doesn't even use one

I love the big guy but that was too tempting lol

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how big that booger was????

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

325

BTW, just curious – what do you guys think Wilfork REALLY weighs?

He’s got to be closer to 400 than 325.

by Pink Flamingo on Jan 27, 2012 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

His size can be a weakness

make him run with screens and slants and see how effective he is in the 2nd half.

I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!

by Fester McDougal on Jan 27, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

They try that all the time

Big man is well conditioned.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The bigger they are, the harder they fall on you

I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!

by Fester McDougal on Jan 27, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

screens?

please no screens. We absolutely suck with screen plays.

Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!

by GMen56-11 on Jan 27, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't think they know how to run a screen pass...

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 27, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha...we'll they know what one IS...

They just don’t seem to understand that you can run after you catch one.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We suck because we run the wrong screens

WR screens everyone is looking for and you cannot run inside screens with him there.

Screens to the tackle spots out outside with good pulls will work. Wilfork is not a sprinter.

Run plays that have him take himself out.

If I see one running play at him, I am going to scream and throw things. Hear that KG, use some creativity and common sense?

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TQ, DD and KMac Must Go!
TC, PF, KG, will stay but should go for the long term good.
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.

by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 27, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the screen game will be dramatically improved against the Pats...

compared to last week.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Gilbride and co. need to figure that out. Probably won’t happen in time for the “’Ship”? (ANybody know why they call it that?)

In my humble and very amateur opinion it always looks to me like Eli rushes the throw. Never seems like they get the defence chasing the QB enough to really open up space for the RB/TE or whoever’s getting it. Don’t know if that’s design or Eli or what.

by DJ Farnaquelhe on Jan 28, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

He is faster than you think. lol

look at his INTs this year. :P

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

but obviously not RB speed.... just faster than most if not all big guys about the same size as him.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilfork is a ballpark!

Didn’t watch the AFC game with a lot of attention but Wilfork effected the game for about 2 series in the first quarter and maybe 2or 3 series in the last qtr. If that’s true I believe that wilfork is a strawman argument on behalf of the Patriots.
He is a blimp. You guys love the imagery of a blimp. Put a face on a blimp and call it the wilfork express. Well, Wilfork isn’t any better as a metaphor for a blimp in human terms than any other player in the NFL or an actual blimp in my opinion.
In addition, Wilfork resembles a fat pig ready for the slaughter and not a genuine, functional athlete. I’m not intending to insult Wilfork, I’m just calling an obese (but muscular) man, not something to worry about as much as someone to manage. the Giants have managed him well in the few times that the two teams have met. Why is everyone making such a big deal this guy?

by murderhill on Jan 27, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

because wilfork was playing the whole season in the 4-3

and he is a lot more dangerous in the 3-4? And he was making an impact all game. He was collapsing the picket for most of the defensive stands against baltimore.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember in any Giants/Patriots game

when the announcer says that “Butch Wilfork is dominating the offensive line of scrimage” or “Wilfork is changing the way the Giants have to play and they have to make adjustments”.
Didn’t I read that the Patriots only had three wins out of their 13 against winning opponents? Does Wilfork’s success have anything to do with that?

by murderhill on Jan 27, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess my point is that we have a very good team

and one player is not going to effect the end result unless there is a fluke play (ala Tynes’ miricle catch). If Wilfork wins this game for the Patriots it will be a fluke, not something we all expect.
He can’t beat everything that the Giants have to throw at the Patriots. It’s a strawman argument.
Is the present front deffensive four of the Giants better than the front four of the 2008 SB team? that’s a genuine argument and I believe that Tom Brady will discover that answer in two Sundays. He will be able to give us all a definitive answer. I will suggest that he won’t like the answer that he will have to give on Monday.
Of course someone may be able to put drugs in the Giants breakfast food or pay them off—something like that and they will lose. Baring that, the Giants will handle Wilfork in some way or another.

by murderhill on Jan 27, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

one player is not going to effect the end result

That;s where your wrong though. WIlfork commands double and triple teams even. You don’t think that open up holes for the LBs and the other two DL? he is key for the pats defense. Without him, our run defense is kaput. It’s not easy to defend him. yes, he is impacting our defense greatly. Every game. Just because it doesn’t show up on the stat line doesn’t mean he is not doing anything. It means that the other team is putting more resources on him so he DOESN’T disrupt the middle as well. Just by occuping blockers he is making an impact.

And imo I think the 2008 DL for you guys was the best. Michael Strahan is a monster, and Osi was awesome that year, and healthy. You guys had the best DL in the NFL. I know that you guys have a great DL still, but our OL also improved. Brian Waters and Nate Solder are both upgrades over Dan COnnely and Sebastion Vollmer. COnnely went to center where he has done admirably.

But yes, Wilfork makes a huge impact. You don’t pay much attention to pats games to see it really.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not DIRECTLY effecting the end result

but he is effecting everything leading up to it.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't that Tyree?

I thought Tynes was your kicker :)

But then again, your knowledge of the game of football seems to be lacking considering how dismissive you are of the other team’s players. There is a reason they’re here, you know.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Jan 28, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah Tyree, I get my Tees mixed up

My knowledge of the game consists of 51 years watching the Giants. I’m saying that Wilfork is not as big of a factor as the above post makes him out ot be. It’s my well seasoned opinion. The most important player on this Patriots, team (Brady) didn’t play that well against the Ravens. Wilfork did OK. They were lucky they won the game.

by murderhill on Jan 28, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Giants Fans

They were lucky they won the game.

Can’t play that card. C’mon, now. If Kyle Williams wasn’t in the NFL, it’d be San Francisco advancing to the Super Bowl. Cundiff missed an easy kick. Williams botched TWO (!) punt returns.

You can’t make this stuff up. Also, you’re absolutely correct. Brady didn’t play well that game. This discreditied Wilfork character is a big reason why they ended up winning said game, though.

Can I Scream?

by Adam Fox on Jan 30, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

What's your point?...The two teams that didn't screw up..won..

They are where they are because they earned it..All you morons out there in football fan land that think differently are screwballs..Go watch Cricket matches…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 30, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm 6'5" 52" waist 58" jacket

And I’m usually between 345 and 355. He’s shorter but much more muscular which should make him at least my weight.

Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Jan 27, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I keep thinking at least 370.

by Pink Flamingo on Jan 27, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, NO!

Please don’t tell me THIS is a key match up. I was really feeling good until i read this. Thanks, Ed.

by TheGifford on Jan 27, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

This matchup is huge

haha, had to say it.

I think this is the part of the Patriots that scares me the most. I hope the Giants can keep him out of the backfield. If they cannot then the Giants run game will be worthless, and it will be difficult for Eli to step up in the pocket.

Baas needs to step and make big blocks.

by Ualtar on Jan 27, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Giving BB 2 weeks to scheme is definitely a concern.

Can’t see Pats getting the kind of pressure on Eli he’s been under lately.

Could BB go the other way, and do a Supe XXV and rush only 2, flooding the zone like he did to the Bills K-Gun attack?

Personally, I think Eli would carve that up, but you know something new is coming.

by Shofner85 on Jan 27, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Giving Gilbride and Fewell two weeks to scheme is equally as concerning for them

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

PF is one of the most intelligent DC's

He shouldnt scare you at all, we are healthy.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

intelligent DC's

don’t make you a laughing stock in football for 14 weeks

World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.

by Drizzzy on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget about last year

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct

Blown assignments by players do.

Now that the team knows where they’re supposed to be, they look dominant.

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst park about last year was being tops at take-aways but having the offense give the ball right back.

I can’t put too much on the defense last year when I take into account the offenses obsession to give the ball away.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Being top 10 in defense when yuor offense leads the league in giveaways

and your defense leads the leage in takeaways is freaking amazing.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

For real...

That’s why is was such a frustrating season.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure dont, and this one didnt either

but think what you may, lol

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

not so much KG IMO

but Fewell is causing BB to lose some sleep i bet.

The giants really just don’t try to trick you on Offense. Here is it, stop it. It’s a credit to our players, and I’ve said this over and over and over again.

Fire Fewell

by andiamo708 on Jan 27, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, not looking for flea flickers or fumble-ruskis ...

but it clicks way better when KG’s play calling is less predictable. He seems to call a better game when they are ahead, so here’s to an early lead.

by Shofner85 on Jan 27, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

to his credit

KG did change up some of his tendencies last week vs 9ers

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by GMen56-11 on Jan 27, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Flea flicker?

Huh.

Come to think of it, that just might work.

Can you imagine opening with a run, then following up with a deep bomb off a flea flicker?

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

49ers tried that against us in first half and it fumbled the ball lol

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

he had 2 weeks in SB42

Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!

by GMen56-11 on Jan 27, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be very surprised but it's possible

That made Thurman Thomas the real MVP of XXV.

We’d have to go short and make them tackle, which normally works to our advantage because our top three WRs are so dangerous after the catch, but if they made us throw it to Beckham, Ware, etc. could they make the plays?

If a DL drops into coverage we’ll target him and If they actually lined up with Wilfork and only one other DL, we’d just run it. What’s the odds on DJ Ware winning MVP?

Fundamentally, that approach says you’re OK with having your D on the field for 35+ minutes which is the opposite of what BB probably thinks he needs to do. I see them in 4-2-5 blitzing 50% of the time including lots of zone blitzes.

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by roguetrader on Jan 27, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thomas had a great SB

our defensive scheme allowed Thomas to run wild. Bill B said before the game if TT runs for 100 yards we’ll win. The defensive game plan was to force the Bills to run. It succeeded. Many times the Giants only rushed 2 DL and LT. The Bills countered by runs lots of draws.

Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!

by GMen56-11 on Jan 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Simple solution

Hurry up.

We’ve all been saying how good Eli is at reading the defense and making the right play calls all season.

Why not give him a shot?

Not hurry up for the whole game, because that would tire out our defense, but just for the first quarter or maybe even half. That would be enough to tire out Vince greatly. Then we could switch to a grind it out, methodical approach in the second half to keep the Patriots offense on the sideline more often than not.

What do you all think?

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

I say use it after the half

But IDK i kinda like it when Eli takes his time and doesnt really rush.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I wholeheartedly agree, the hurry up need not be rushed, but it forces the NE personal to stay on the field, and that plays to our advantage.

Especially if we can build an early lead. If we can score at least 17 if not 20 points the first half (which is a very possible yield if our defense plays to it’s potential and the offense turns possessions into drives and touchdowns), we can free up the run game to wreak havoc on an exhausted defense the second half, chew up clock, and above all keep Brady and his weapons off the field

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Wilfork is definitely the key to cracking open the Patriots defense. If he can’t stuff the run between the tackles and get in Eli’s face when he’s stepping up to throw, it will be a long, long day for the Patsies.

One thing that stands out to me is how many snaps Wilfork gets (70 of 73 snaps last week). I appreciate that he’s a beast but the Giants need to make this an athletic, physical game for him from the first play. Lot’s of doubles, moving pockets, and some no-huddle exercises mixed in with some hard interior running. It won’t be easy but good things will happen for the Giants if they can have him gassed by the fourth quarter.

by BVP10 on Jan 27, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli is at his best in the hurry up, IMO

And nothing wears out the big man faster than that. It also lets him call more of the plays he wants / sees. And I am “All In” with that scenario. The one downside is I think this limits MM, due to his ability to think on the fly

by Jimmy Orange on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hurry Up or No huddle?

there is a difference.

Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!

by GMen56-11 on Jan 27, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

My mistake

Youre right, I was thinking of no huddle but with the added catch of turning on the throttle early and often

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Baas doesn't stand a chance against this guy.

Baas is our worst free agent pick up since Lavar Arrington. Stick Boothe on him.

by bigdan7885 on Jan 27, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Lavar coming over here was awful!

He was an LT wanna be. But dont forget Doo-doo Brown, Rouse, Madison

by Bavaro 89 on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey!

I thought Sam Madison was a good player!

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

+29

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Fo sure

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Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.

by roguetrader on Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Whenever anyone mentions Brown...

I still feel the urge to open a vein.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I have CC-PTSD

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Madison was a pretty good free agent pick up

played decently for the 3 years he was here and huge in the growth of guys like Webster, Ross in 2007.

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yep.

I think he was injured for some of the XLII run and was key in coaching up the younger DBs during that run, as well as playing solidly…

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
Dear Tebow, please let the Giants beat the Patriots.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yeap, he missed the Dallas and GB games

I was just watching the 2007 DVD and he played great in the london game

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn, I love watching that DVD

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was watching it before the Championship

some parts just make me laugh, the eagle fans screaming at Eli “I wish I was Peyton, I wish I was Peyton”

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Then Eli busts out the "aw shucks" face!

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli cried in his sleep that night I think

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome dvd

Still get chills from some of the memories that year.

by jhMLB on Jan 28, 2012 7:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lavar got hurt too and then he was let go end of the year.

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

HAHA i can tell you never seen Baas when he was healthy

Relax, he is not our worst anything.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree he is not that bad,

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 30, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You know

Arrington was really just starting to play well when he got injured in week 7 back in 2006. With a little time he may have proven his worth.

by NYGIANTSGW on Jan 28, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not concerned with Wilfork in the

Passing game. Theyll chip him with a guard and hes too slow to run anyone down. Hes tough im the running game, but we re a passing team anyway. I love our match-ups outside. I also love the fast track for our d line. Go Big Blue!

by Giant Ken on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

^ this

Dang man bro…Seeing Ahmad Bradshaw block out of the backfiled is a thing of beauty! The numbers may not show, but his blocking is just lethal!

by Bavaro 89 on Jan 27, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Last season

AB had the 2nd highest grade for blocking RBs by PFF.

Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!

by GMen56-11 on Jan 27, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ware flat out decked some SF defender last week with a "chip" block...

…we generally pick up blitzes well with our RBs, and they add protection when the opponent rushes four.

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 27, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

+28

Ware has been very good in pass protection.

Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!

by GMen56-11 on Jan 27, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe have Jacobs flatten him

Like what he did to Andre Carter in foxborough

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

he is not slow though. lol

For a DL his size, he can move pretty damn quick.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't help myself...Jerryworld to be used as an opera house

Makes sense seeing as the fat lasy has been singing in that building ever since it opened…Yahoo.com

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing beats a pretentious Texan (although JJ's from Arkansas)

He figures he’ll reach a new bunch of people with money and they’ll be so impressed by his fabulous facility they’ll want to buy suites to watch his crappy football team. And since it’s free the whole thing will be a nice write-off.

If they tried to put they Met at MetLife they’d get laughed at.

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by roguetrader on Jan 27, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the terrible implication of this mismatch:

If Wilfork is eating up our center and a guard, then whatever side he lines up on will rely on one of our two sub-par OTs to handle a pretty big/strong DE — now, I know that Diehl and K-Mac suffer most against speed. But what I’m thinking of is that we’ll be relying heavily on our RB or TE picking up the unchallenged outside blitzes of a Ninkovitch, or Guyton, or whoever is at OLB … or god forbid corner blitzes.

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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 27, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I put in a written request to Tebow to see if he can get God to forbid all blitzes...

I’m still waiting for a reply.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

like all elite qbs

Eli carves up the blitz. BB will definitely use it selectively.

by jhMLB on Jan 28, 2012 7:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Baas will get help with Wilfork...The rest of their D-line isn't all that good...

So I’m not going to worry about him…

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by Bobbiblue on Jan 27, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

This

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Wilfork had 3.5 sacks this year

He tough to run against, but we re a passing team

by Giant Ken on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Everyone relax!

He’s one guy, for cryin’ out loud. I mean, the Patriots are in the Super Bowl – ya think they’re not gonna have personnel? Would you all feel more comfortable if we were playing against Rutgers?

We’re better at every position except tight end. Wilfork is nice, but he’s one-dimensional. He wouldn’t even start for the Giants. Okay, maybe he’d be the fourth down lineman, but I’ll take Osi, Tuck and JPP over Wilfork.

by el pope on Jan 27, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

I would take those guys over Wilfork, too...

But I’d take Wilfork over Joseph, Canty, or Bernard…all day.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Point is

the Giants have three guys on their D-line that are better than the one guy on the other side everyone is so scared of.

I’m so confident of the outcome of this game, it’s starting to worry me.

by el pope on Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

I love our match ups

by Giant Ken on Jan 27, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ditto

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Better?? IDK about that

Two of them have been too injured and the other one has only been in the league 2 years, to say either of them are definitively better is a stretch cause they are all so valuable to their defense but i see where your coming from.

And why must you compare ends to a tackle??….i notice you are not mentioning any of our tackles in this comparison and thats where it should start.

And why is giving props considered scared?? the only thing that lets me know a person is scared is when they say “Im not scared” lol…..like jacobs last week, then he promptly came out and ran scared lol. But i love the big guy.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me started on Twinkletoes Jacobs

I totally agree with Jerry Rice.

I’ll be shocked if Jacobs is on the roster on Opening Day next year.

by el pope on Jan 27, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

dude you're smoking some shit.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

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by Troy O on Jan 27, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I want in

For real though, not over Canty.

Calling it right now Canty is going to have a monster Superbowl

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Smoking shit?

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahahaha!!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

this

49ers was the game that was keeping me up at night. I’ve felt really good about all our other matchups.

by jhMLB on Jan 28, 2012 7:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

HAHA, he wouldnt even start for the Giants? cmon now

I understand he’s the opponent but a little reality would be nice.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

im finding it difficult to find 5 teams he wouldn't be starting for.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Jan 27, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant find 1

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Jan 27, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats strange he is a top 3 DT in the NFL.....

Hell let me list some teams off the top of my head: Dolphins, Jets, Raiders, Broncos, Jacksonville, Colts, Chiefs, Chargers. Those are just off the top of my head.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He's good...that is why they are saying they can't find one team in the NFL that he wouldn't be starting for.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

oohhhh

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Vince and Ngata are the top 2 DTs in the league

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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
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by wangstu13 on Jan 27, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you come up with those "off the top of your head"?

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Not every position

They are better at left guard, center and probably tackle as well.

by XYU on Jan 29, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He has several items so which series?

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Wilfork is very good, but after the niners front 7 somehow I'm not as worried

Fork has had 2 great games in the playoffs, and if he continues his level of play he will be a big problem for the Giants. However, the fact that we’re talking about the Patriots “pass rush” as the biggest matchup problem on their defense is a pretty good sign for us. The Patriots front 7 has some good players in it, but it’s night and day compared to the 49ers, who we just beat.

Go Giants!
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by rich316 on Jan 27, 2012 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Their pass rush has improved since they went back into the 3-4, and spikes returned.

Plus Mark Anderson is a top 3 pass rusher in the AFC. And thats from PFF.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

PFF isn't gospel

The view there at times is perplexing to say the least

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Jan 27, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Pro Football Focus takes great care in their work.

Hell they ranked Eli as the most accurate passer under pressure (he completes 71% of his passes under pressure).

Make no mistake their pass rush is, in fact, improved. I can confidently say this.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on Jan 27, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Should change that in the off season since everyone knows what it means

by Giantstep on Jan 27, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

noticed the same thing…right hand on the bottom = bats lefty

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 27, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Good to see that he has always rocked the "aw shucks" face

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 27, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Cap has an "N" on it.

Whatever is on his jersey, probably starts with an “N”, too.

“Newman”?

by el pope on Jan 27, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like that it's a capital n...

All n’s should be lower case. Especially when they are followed by lower case y’s.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 27, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

this

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's correct

Newman High in NOLA

Eli is our King!

by trueblue63 on Jan 27, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Young Eli and Peyton Home movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBcUI-2jzq4

I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!

by Fester McDougal on Jan 27, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It won't let me click

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Jan 27, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The one about Gronk's father?

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

*Ankle

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Right...how his father leaked to the media about his ankle

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it is tough to come back quick from this

I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!

by Fester McDougal on Jan 27, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks that one worked

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Jan 27, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I get a charge out of the debate about whether Wilfork would be a starter for the Giants...

Easy answer..No..he doesn’t play for us….hahaha

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 27, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

logic trumps all, bobbi

ha

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

is it logic... or is it

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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ring the bell

We have a winner ladies and gentlemen

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!

by Fester McDougal on Jan 27, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I lost count of how many times I hollered..Bullshit at the refs from my living room...

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Why does that coach looks and moving like Skip Bayless?

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That's my man Jack Del Rio...He knows a little bit about footbal..haha

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

We dont run a 3-4, so

We would never consider him. He does not fit in our scheme on D.

by Giant Ken on Jan 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I just got the SB 46 program

and the team photo section is great. Every Giant Players looks goofy as hell. lol

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe they are all trying to make Eli look normal...

kind of like when Billy Madison peed his pants to help his friend get through that tough time.

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by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 27, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli looking normal

that if itself would be a miracle

Faith is a refusal to panic

by Commander Prime on Jan 27, 2012 7:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Strangely

Eli’s is one of the more normal looking pictures

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If peeing your pants is cool

consider me Miles Davis

Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants

by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 27, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

OOH. That was the grossest thing I've ever heard in my life.

nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!

Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.

by nywins42 on Jan 27, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

"Vince, honey..are you ready for your forty gallons of Opossum stew????"

“Come and get it !!”

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I know it's early, but are we really talking about

Wilfork? He’s a NT. Very good against the run and a liability in the passing game. We are a throwing team. He has like 12-14 sacks in his career. We’ll deal with him.

by Giant Ken on Jan 27, 2012 7:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm not worried about him...just another player our guys will plan on dealing with...

People are touting him as some kind of superhero….bottomline is their defense has allowed as many yards as they have gained..all year..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but not lately...We don't have one man..we have many men to be dealt with...

How many points have we given up since this remarkable run started?..Our entire defense is peaking, they’ve gotten healthy and are to be feared…All they talk about is one guy..They aren’t going to be very successful against the defense we have in store for them..They got lucky with a shanked kick and we got lucky against the bes defense we’ve faced with a field goal…If Flacco can amass 306 yards passing, 2 tds..wait ’til they meet our offense next week and face our renewed defense and Eli and the gang on offense..This will be a blowout..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 28, 2012 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

in NEs last 9 games

they give up an avg. of 19 pts a game..

they are better then u think.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Jan 28, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!!!

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.

by BB1156 on Jan 30, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It's probably due to the title of this article...

But I think Ed intended to provoke discussion on ‘Key Match-ups’…Is Wilfork the only one?..We’ll destroy them if that is the case..There are no others?

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Jan 28, 2012 2:18 AM EST reply actions  

Jesus. Wilfork, why don't you eat another Bacon Donut there, ok???

"It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. We're nothing." - Bill Nicholson

by Timmy L. on Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

That sounds delicious

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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me

Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP

by wangstu13 on Jan 29, 2012 5:17 AM EST up reply actions  

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