Giants The 2012 Super Bowl Underdogs? Well, Not Really
by Ed Valentine on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM EST
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PrintShhhhhhh! The New York Giants remain three-point underdogs to the New England Patriots, at least according to the oddsmakers. Don't tell the Giants, though, that they are increasingly seen as anything but underdogs in their 2012 Super Bowl rematch with the Patriots.
Here is Mike Freeman of CBS Sports:
The Giants aren't underdogs where it counts, which is on the field. The Giants are an explosive, athletic, mentally tough team. I might even go as far to say they are a great team and I would definitely say the Giants, in some ways, are better than the Patriots. In fact, they've already beaten the Patriots.
Please shut up about underdogs or lack of respect. Please, I'm begging you, Giants.
The only true advantage the Patriots have is at the head coaching position. Tom Coughlin is making his case for the Hall of Fame (if he beats Bill Belichick and Tom Brady twice in the Super Bowl, roll out the red carpet) but Belichick is still better (to me, Belichick is the best coach in history).
But that is where the Patriots' advantage ends.
Here is Josh Alper of NBC New York:
Once you get outside of Vegas, it is hard to find anyone who actually thinks the Giants are underdogs in Super Bowl 46. The New York media is treating a Giants win like it is a fait accompli and many of the national pundits who have shared their picks are opting for the Giants.
There's good reason for that. Any clear-headed analysis of the game finds that the Giants are equal to or better than the Patriots in just about every phase of the game, up to and including the matchups of quarterbacks and coaches that almost always goes in favor of New England.
On a neutral field with no weather concerns, it is hard to come up with too many ways to wrap your head around the Giants being the plucky underdogs against a team that they've already beaten on the road this season.
Like I said, just don't tell the Giants there are lots of people who actually EXPECT them to win. They don't want to hear it, anyway.
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Fait accompli
In English, fait accompli means a course of events that has already been completed and cannot be undone, or something that has been decided and is, therefore, a done deal
Had to look this one up. Hey, Ed…let’s dumb some of this down a little for us illeterates out here.
The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
We stink! We can't beat the mighty Patriots! May as well not even show up!
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
eating his words
as we have been riding all season on the underdog status, we will not mind doing the same here although we are favored by many more experts this time around.
JPP is the kraken
It will not be easy but we will win.
After all the tough games we have had to win in a row this is very do-able.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
It depends on if Belechik/McDaniels can get good videotapes on the Giants
after all they played in the Regular season and videotaped their signs, so the Pats know most of the plays by now.
The Giants are in a lot of minds underdogs
for the very reason pointed out by Freeman. How could they possibly beat the Hoodie and Brady a SECOND time, when everyone knows the first time “was a fluke”?
But if the Giants do win
It takes away from the flukyness of the first superblow giants win
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Fans and media
Were singing a similar tune earlier this season. Pats NEvER lose 2 in a row blah blah blah. Brady hasn’t lost at home in regular season in blah blah blah.
It’s all meaningless
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
by GMen56-11 on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're going to blow them away this time around...
Vegas is trying to hedge the bets..They lose also…Can’t wait to mail my winning ticket in..Bill B. is a HOF coach..but he lacks all the tools this time around..and Tom Coughlin is no slouch..I don’t mind being the dogs in this match..but if you look at these teams, if they win that will truly be the upset…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Is that a prediction or is that coming later
You have been on the money so far.
I'm going to wait a bit...It's early..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Fear not G-men fans
Some of the smart money guys and Vegas wagering gurus have already bet on the Patriots to cover the spread. While a lot of little money has come in on the Giants, the sharps, wise guys, and those in the know are behind the Pats. As they say, Hard to bet against Brady. He is money in the bank.
what's your source
the game opened at 3 1/2 in some Vegas casinos. Within a day the line moved to 3 indicating early money was on the Giants. Early money is usually sharp money.
Regardless the line will remain at 3. Vegas won’t move the SB line off a key number especially 3.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
I think given the fact we beat them this year, at home....
Takes some of the underdog tag off. What were they 35 and 0?
Hadnt lost at home since 2008
hadnt lost back to back games in almost as long….
We did what no one has done to the Patriots in a very very long time.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Brady
Hadn’t lost at home in 5 or 6 season. Brady wasn’t the QB in 2008
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
by GMen56-11 on Jan 26, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont pay attention to the pats
but thanks for gettin my back…
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
underdog status
is and incredibly powerful motivator. honestly felt more relieved than anything when they wrote us as underdogs. if it gives them the extra drive to prove themselves through that one more hour of study or hustling that much harder in practice, I’ll take it. that said I kind of agree with you Ed from the fan perspective but I think this actually benefits the team
Faith is a refusal to panic
by Commander Prime on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM EST via Android app reply actions
agree and disagree
I agree a dog might gibe a team additional motivation leading up to the game. Once the game starts its all meaningless.
In this game it doesn’t Pats have plenty of motivation after losing SB 42
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
by GMen56-11 on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roster turnover
OK Bellichick, Brady, Welker and Wilfolk were all on the SB 42 Pats, but not many more on that roster are returning. So most of them don’t have that “revenge” motivation since they weren’t part of the 18-1 team.
Besides, if anyone on either team needs more motivation than the fact that its the Super Bowl, they shouldn’t be playing.
Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York!
For the empty net, Mark Messier... do you believe it?! Do you believe it?! He said we will win game 6 - he has just picked up the hat trick!
I agree with you on the roster turnover eliminating the "revenge" motivation for most of them,
However, the two most important participants are Belichick and Brady. And make no mistake about it, no matter what they may say in the media, there’s no doubt in my mind THEY WANT REVENGE!!! Whether they’ll be able to cash that check is another story, but they definitely want revenge.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Revenge proves its own executioner.
John Ford
oh I got one:
“If you seek honor, it will lead you to glory. If you pursue revenge, it will lead you to destruction. But it is only when you seek what you truly believe that you will find happiness.”
Faith is a refusal to panic
by Commander Prime on Jan 26, 2012 5:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
..."And save your ass from getting hit by a SAM missile..."
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Stay hungry, my friend! Keep the underdog mentality.
Last time it boiled down to who had the ball last. We are better now, but NE has not lost anything since then either.
We'll settle this in 10 days
But damn, we’re killing our chances of a good draft choice that will help us get into the play….. Oh, never mind.
LOL
Bring on that DE with the 32nd pick!
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
the Eagles scare me next year
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
There's another game to be played?
I thought the Eagles won the NFC championship. I read some very good articles about it in August.
Plus, we have some of the best bargains in football:
Best Super Bowl Bargain Players
The skinny:
1) JPP: 5 yrs., $20 mil.; in 2014 he will be making $4 mil. a season. A steal.
2) Cruz: 2 yrs. $900k; next year he will pull in only $490k. Peanuts.
3) Nicks: 5 yrs., $12.5 mil; locked up through 2013. Clocked $1.8 mil. this yr., but a relative bargain given his production.
That’s not a lot of ducats to dole out for all of that stepping up and making big plays. Yes, this sows the seeds of future contract disputes, but this the front office receives a lot of value from its modest investments and its house is in pretty good shape for the next few years.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 26, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
and next year
After the Giants win the SB of course NOT ONE OF THE ANALYSTS will have us winning the NFC East. It will all be about the E-girls and Cowgirls. Makes me sick.
Fides Non Timet
Faith without fear
I doubt anybody picks the Cowboys, but yeah I fully expect the eagles to be the pick
Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
XLVI
Let’s win it first. I don’t want the team-or Giants’ fans- popping off like it’s already over. The Patriots did that in XLII, and you recall where that got them. Overconfidence and arrogance breeds sloppy play, and we can’t afford that. Just like we can’t afford to give them any more motivation to beat us than they already have.
Thant said, GO BIG BLUE!!!!
by Remember Phil Simms on Jan 26, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
The fans are confident
and so are the players but the players know that they have to show up and win the game. The team is focused and they are getting ahead of themselves.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
This team has always thrived in the underdog role
I Guarantee that the Giants saw this line come out of Vegas and shook there head and laughed and said" MFers! We will get our respect!!!" I am so glad we are the dogs in this game.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I think underdog would disagree with the analysts...
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
by Giantssincesix on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Love it...rec'd
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Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
Haha
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I for one am tired of being the underdog
This team has shown fight. Has shown resolve. Has shown heart. This is not a superbowl where we have to “shock the world”
This superbowl is to announce to the world “WE ARE THE GREATEST”
Giants need to step on the pedestal, just like the Patriots did when they beat the Rams and say, we are the Top Dog. You want that Lombardi Trophy? you have beat us.
I want every analyst to say “The Giants are going to beat the Patriots.”
And I want the Giants to Beat the Patriots.
enough of this chip on the shoulder. Enough of this underdog. The underdog team was the 2007 team. This is 2012. We will say we will beat the Patriots and we will beat the Patriots.
and Boom! take that eagles!
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
...AGAIN
The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
I Prefer to be the Underdogs
Pats know they need to bring it. Brady wants this one bad. Last thing we want is anyone getting cocky.
Get to Brady, get in his head, watch the frustration grow…..
Match-ups as seen by this Giants fan.
Coach: Bill Billicheat. His ability for half time adjustments is great.
QB: DRAW. Yes Brady is all world MVP but Eli is playing better than Brady.
RBS: Bradshaw, Jacobs
WRS: Nicks, Manningham & Cruuuuuuuuuuuz
TES: Gronk and Hernandez
D-Line: Giants
LBS: DRAW
Secondary: Giants
O-line: Both do a great job protecting QB but edge to Giants because of a better running game.
Fides Non Timet
Faith without fear
Giants have a better running game?
NE must run the wrong way a lot… :P
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
A few are closer than this
AFC leading receiver Wes Welker might like a say in the WR department and Ben Jarvis GreenElis had more rushing yards than either of our two horses. Overall maybe we’re better at both of those spots but they’ve still got some weapons. And their running game was better over the season (every other teams’ was – ugh!)
That said, I feel confident in their chances but just trying to be cautious in analysis.
Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York!
For the empty net, Mark Messier... do you believe it?! Do you believe it?! He said we will win game 6 - he has just picked up the hat trick!
While Welker has the pedigree
I think he and Victor Cruz are a wash…. I chose Cruz because he plays a more similar style to Welker (slot, underneath routes, quick guy, but won’t knock anyone over, etc. After that, every Giants WR is better than his NE counterpart, so must agree w BB2 on that. BJGE is a close matchup though, can’t agrue with that.
No way the edge on O-line goes to Giants
NE’s line is definitely better. The protection Brady gets is FAR better than what Eli gets from his line, and last time I checked, NE finished the season averaging 4.0 ypc in the running game compared to only 3.5 for the Giants.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 26, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
It worries me that I'm not more worried about this game
I just suspect with all this praise the Giants will come out and lay an absolute egg out there, especially in Peyton’s house.
I am getting nervous.
"Sometimes it doesn’t work out the way you want it to work out, but we play the hand we’re dealt and we’ll win with it." -- Giants GM Jerry Reese
In Reese I trust.
by GiantFanInPackerLand on Jan 26, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions
The Giants respond to the underdog perception so I want it to be talked about
over and over again. Besides, Underdog can fly and talk which is rather cool.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions
I'm going to go against most of the grain here and say not only are we underdogs...
we SHOULD be underdogs. I don’t care that we won against them in the regular season…we lost against the 49ers and Packets (sic intended). And look what happened against them in the playoffs.
They still have Tom Brady…..the dude that just 2 weeks ago, threw 5 TDs in ONE HALF against a comparable defense. They still have Wes Welker (for those of you that forget, he led the league in yards and catches this year). They still have Gronkowski. They still have Aaron Hernandez. Woodhead/BJGE/Edelman are a good RB tandem.
No matter how much we laugh at the NE defense, their LBs are rock solid with Spikes and Mayo. Kyle Arrington led the league in interceptions. Vince Wilfork…….dude had the best game of his career last week.
Sure, the NE defense is nothing close to the SF defense…but that SF offense doesn’t hold a candle to NE’s offense. And you can bet your ass that they will be gameplanning their butts off to negate our pass rush. Our defense better get ready for the no-huddle…and lots of it.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST reply actions
I am officially sobered up!!!!!!
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
That looks like Spetsnaz
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
God bless you
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
haha
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
Just got it…a lil slow today. That’s why I’ve stopped working to post on here today.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree with this. Especially the no-huddle idea...
NE isn’t going to be a push over by any means. The first quarter of this game, i think, will tell us a great deal of how the rest of the game will go because it will show how well (or not) NE’s game plan will work, especially on their offensive side of the ball.
Us Giants fans need to remain level headed when it comes to this game.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
The trouble with New England
is they have no problem changing their game plan at will during the game. I’m sure they will have about 10 game plans going into this.
I agree with HS and BBI
My anticipation is a battle which come down to a 4th quarter showdown between two well prepared and skilled QBs. The Giants won a fierce physical confrontation in SF. There wasn’t a blowout or dominance even though the exaltation of the victory was immense (just like this entire playoff run). Eli showed us his guts for sure in that game. Just prepare to enjoy a tight battle that will come down to the wire. Get your provisions for the game, get your chores out of the way and send distractions out of town if possible. Enjoy this game and the build up. This has been an awesome playoff run.
Persistence is Omnipotent.
You are wrong on at least one count
Denver does not have a comparable D, because regardless how good their defense is (and I’m not familiar enough with Denvers D to make an accurate comparison between defenses), the ability of your offense has a direct and immediate impact on the quality of your defense. Giants move the ball (gaining and shifting valuable field position), Giants score (putting greater pressure on offenses and making them more 1 dimensional). All this makes playing defense easier. The quality and ability of the Giants offense, which is far better than Denver’s offense, automatically makes the Giants defense that much better.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 26, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's true...but Denver has an excellent pass rush...and I mean, they were just absolutely annihilated.
They’ve got Von Miller, Elvis Dumervil and company to go along with Champ Bailey. They were a better defense than us for most of the year…even with the Tebus at QB.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well I do agree that nobody should take Brady and that offense lightly.
I am definitely just as concerned that the Giants could get spanked as I am optimistic that we can spank the Pats.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
What I really would like tho is to be able to spank those two asses below...
by NYStateofMind on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'll toast to that.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
False, entirely different styles
Denver went with a 3 man rush most of the day, which is a Cardinal sin against any good qb. And seeing as Tom Brady is one of the best of all time, he picked them apart. Baltimore was able to get good pressure, however they were done in by an inability to stop the run and missed tackles. In other words: fundamentals. If the Giants play fundamentally sound football (e.g. neutralize YAC, stopping the running game before it gets started, maintaining gaps and spacing, knowing assignments, etc.) then they can dictate the pace of the game.
Faith is a refusal to panic
by Commander Prime on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Thank you BBI
I was going to write something similar. I am not as optimistic as some. The Pats are really good at what they do and the Giants better remember that. Plus, they are going to be gunning for us big time!
Husker/Giants/Mets fan living behind enemy lines.
Denver D was overrated
When Tebone took over they allowed 40+ three times. 20+ six times in 11 games.
In 4 other games the Chiefs twice, Jets, and Bears without Cutler. Those offenses aren’t going to scare many defenses.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't say that enough!
Daily Swaggar Time - Getting dressed for the show edition!
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nice. A request.
Fester, tomorrow, can we get some boobage? I more of a boob guy than a butt guy. Not to say I don’t appreciate the goodness you’ve brought to this thread.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Asses all the way!!! Love it. Keep 'em coming.
by NYStateofMind on Jan 26, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Gentleman, I will see what I can do to keep you both happy.
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Asses, asses and more asses...
CHICKS that is plz!!! Round and bubbly.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
gosh
ass clowns lol
Faith is a refusal to panic
by Commander Prime on Jan 26, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That chick needed a Bra for her butt
By the way that first GIF never gets old.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 26, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
sorry BPI
gotta disagree, I’m an ass guy. I want more of those
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 26, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, Cosmo Kramer
The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
This
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 26, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Skirt
is going the wrong way, though. ;)
by Pink Flamingo on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
FACT
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 26, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'll NEVER EVER get tired of watching that chick in the red.
HOT DAMN!!!
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
People! Dont get me fired
I have this site open all the time and my Manager always glances at my monitor whenever she passes by.
Please be considerate.
Scroll down slowly
all i can say
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Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
maybe Fester needs to start a swaggar FanPost
and we can put an explicit NSFW warning on that and share all the lovely swaggar ladies?
that would ruin the tradition!
Nets Mets Giants All day Every day.
Beware the Lopez
NY Giants Tribute
Rex would be syaing: "Nice feet!!"..Id be saying: "Nice.....!"
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
click the title of the comment and it goes away
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
u should be working!
kidding. how u gonna let a femlae boss you around? again kidding. but just play the minimize when important people around game.
JPP is the kraken
Perhaps I can give you a couple minute warning....Get the juices flowing for everyone else else
hmmmm?
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that does it...
I’m no longer the Master of my Domain
"If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless."
--Woody Paige
Oakland Raiders, New York Giants, Los Angeles Lakers, Anaheim Angels... and Quentin Tarantino.
by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jan 26, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Baas has a neck injury. Probably aggravated it from before.
I knew it. That’s probably why he’s been sucking.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions
Why is it that every major free agent we've signed these last few years redshirt their first year?
IIRC, these guys had NO INJURY ISSUES prior to coming here. First it was Canty, then Boley and now Bass, who really has not been what we expected due to all the nagging injuries of course.
Having said that, Phone Booth and Mitch Peppers weren’t a bad tandem when they played during the season, so we should be OK if Bass can’t go.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose its
“luck”
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
So BGN would have you believe...
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
BGN
is lucky their team still exists.
JPP is the kraken
by GiantBeing on Jan 26, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, you are wrong
Luck in only good, right?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Crunked and Swagged out since 2011
ok, so why the hell aren't we going with Petrus and Boothe then?
Wilfork against Baas is scaring the poop out of me. (no gif please, Fester)
Baas is a better pass protector IMO.
Also, Boothe has those wacky snaps. But I agree. I’d rather go with that.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
yes, both points are definitely valid
and I’m also sure that whoever plays C will get significant help from one or both Gs… I just don’t see how you can effectively fight in the trenches with a neck injury, it saps the arm strength completely on whatever side it’s on, plus how many times do hands get up on the facemask in the scrums there? Ok, now I need a drink.
PS- BBI, WalMart sells ny-logo’d scrub shirts now, think you and Dr. FUBAR need to represent!
yooooo i gotta get me some of those!
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think so. The twitscene is quiet. All I hear is neck injury...but not terrible.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Except gambling lines have nothing to do with reality
The line is set for one purpose only, to attempt to get 50% of the people to bet on one team and 50% of the people to bet on the other team, thus ensuring the house makes money regardless of the outcome on the day.
Think of them as prices. The Pats are more expensive than the Giants. A Whopper is more expensive than a Big Mac.
Is a Whopper the favorite and the Big Mac the underdog? Yes, to the extent that people are willing to pay more, but not so much that every group of people will prefer the Whopper.
Let’s look at the money line which has a midpoint of -130. That’s the equivalent of saying that the public believe if the Giants and Pats played nine times, the Pats would win five times. So even if the public is correct, the Pats advantage is little more than crapping out vs making a point of 8.
This game is basically a toss-up and I actually expect Giants money will come in and drive their price up before game time. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it be -1.5 or less by kick-off. That’s what happened in the 49er game.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Exactly
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
This is a common minconception
Vegas does do some degree of hedging in this regard, but it is widely overreported the degree to which this is the case. Vegas is quite happy in some cases to let 60% of the money come in on one side if they’re reasonably confident that the line is “correct.”
If you get a 50/50 split, Vegas can only profit the vig. If they end up with a 60/40 split, yes, they risk a loss, but their potential win is also much greater.
They won't move the line so much they risk getting middled
That is absolutely true on most events outside of the NFL. The guy who sets the line is also a handicapper and takes positions on teams. If he likes Villanova over Seton Hall he’ll shade his line to get more money against him.
I think on the Superbowl there is so much money coming in that they keep it really close to the vest. They’ll live with effectively having a small bet on one team or the other as opposed to having all the Giants money +3 and all the Pats money -1.5.
Also these days they move the odds long before they move the points. They’ll even make it Pats-3 +110/-130 if they have to. Back in the day it was always -110 a side and the points moved a lot more.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I'm hungry all of a sudden
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
One trophy with hot sauce plz...I'll have it to go!
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Jan 26, 2012 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also notable
Is that the books have yet to move the line off the 3 points, but are instead just applying heavy vig to the Giants side of the bet instead of moving it.
The line opened where it did because the computers that actually 98% of the work setting the lines think that weeks 1-14 have some relevance, as opposed 0. Football Outsiders for instance has the Giants and Patriots as being totally equal over the last five weeks, but gives the Patriots a significant statistical advantage in their overall weighted rankings.
I think that’s crazy, but there’s something a bit more complex going on here than just trying to hedge the bet 50/50. Given that everyone and their uncle is picking the Giants, they would have opened the line at pickem if they really wanted a 50/50 split. So far, something like 58% of bets have come in on the Giants side however.
the computer algorithms they use these days
are as complex as the ones used by Google to find all the crap on the internet you’re searching for. Long gone are the days of Ace Rothstein setting the lines, it’s all in the raw data now.
This should end the debate over whether or not we benefit from the extra week
Wide receiver Hakeem Nicks and rookie linebacker Jacquian Williams were among seven New York Giants who missed the team’s first practice for the Super Bowl against the New England Patriots on Feb. 5.
Nicks hurt his shoulder in the Giants’ win over the San Francisco 49ers in the NFC championship game. The Giants listed Williams, their fastest linebacker, with a foot injury.
"Just resting my body, getting my body back and ready. It’s a little beat up," Nicks said.
Also out were center David Baas (abdomen-neck), linebacker Chase Blackburn (calf), backup cornerback Will Blackmon (knee), running back Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) and cornerback Corey Webster (hamstring).
Bradshaw and Webster have had their injuries for weeks and it has not stopped them from playing.
Giants coach Tom Coughlin expects all his injured players to be ready for the Super Bowl.
"Trying to be smart," Coughlin said. "Trying not to aggravate something that’s there."
Backup safety Tyler Sash practiced on Thursday after passing the concussion protocol for a blow he took Sunday.
Most of the Giant faithful also sat out today's practice
however, all are expected to ready for the game with restocked liquor cabinets and somewhat clear heads
Abdomen-neck
Thats one big boy
I got a GIF for that!
Giants by 17 over GB, take it to the bank!
Giants by 10 over SF, take it to the bank! Well, OK, by 3, but we are Super Bowl bound!!!!!!!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 26, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Makes sense to rest them, they must be rather fatigued...
…from all of that stepping up and making big plays on Sunday.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
You have said that you followed Eli's college career from college o the Giants.
After Eli retires will you still remain a Giants fan? My feeling is that you will since you have adopted the Giant’s Lore.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I'm too far in
To switch allegiances. LOL! I’m stuck for life with my boys, win or loose. Eli or no Eli.
All of our guys together....
…..doesn’t equal the rest gronkowski (and brady if you believe his throwing shoulder isn’t right) are getting.
But the championship should be decided with your best players on the field, so the two weeks is great, especially now that they have moved the pro bowl to this week for true junkies.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I think Nicks might actually be as important for us as Gronk is for them in this game
The reason we’re feeling pretty confident is because of our receivers against their secondary, but without Nicks that matchup doesn’t look nearly as good for us. In the first game they doubled Cruz, and Manningham made some plays but not enough to carry the team.
Go Giants!
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
Manningham was not at his best those days and he has turned around now.
Then we also have Cruz and some TEs ourselves. RBs too. Do not forget Hynoski.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
by BB1156 on Jan 26, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does not matter.
They beat the Redskins in the regular season, a team we lost to. Twice. Circle-of-life rule says that thus the argument is invalid. We both are in the dance. What matters it who comes out next Sunday and wants it more and I sure as hell hope it is us
Faith is a refusal to panic
by Commander Prime on Jan 26, 2012 5:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Did we really loose to the Redskins twice?
I must have blacked out before the game was over or something.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 26, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
The only true advantage the Patriots have is at the head coaching position. Tom Coughlin is making his case for the Hall of Fame (if he beats Bill Belichick and Tom Brady twice in the Super Bowl, roll out the red carpet) but Belichick is still better (to me, Belichick is the best coach in history).
Belichick – cheating and spying on your opponent = Coughlin
Belichick Greatest Coach in history? Seriously?
Greater than Walsh? Landry? Lombardi? I hear there is a popular trophy named after him, must be a reason. What did he do before Brady came into his life? In the end he will be a great coach, no doubt, but people are so quick to call current coaches, teams, and players the greatest.
by Maryland Fan on Jan 26, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
His name belongs in the same company as those greats..and what did he do before Brady?..
He won football games..His only bust was Cleveland, because their so cheap their asses squesk when they walk…Other than that he has been a winner wherever he went..I give the man the credit and respect he deserves…
Tom Coughlin deserves a hell of alot more credit than he gets…that I can’t understand…When he left the Jaguars, their ship sunk…He comes back to the Giants and meticulously re-builds champions…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Rightly or wrongly
New York coaches and players are held to a higher standard. It’s called a tough market for a reason. 6 or 7 weeks ago the media was speculating when TC would be fired and who would replace him.
He’ll get his due, but probably not until he’s retired and everyone misses him.
Lombardi's name is on the trophy not just cuz he deserved it
but also cuz he was around a few eons ago, like when this whole NFL thing started. His teams kept winning it so might as well name it after him.
If football started in the early 2000s I bet it’d be the “Bill Belicheck trophy”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No, he's on it because he won five world championships
And did it in what? a seven year stretch? BB ain’t close just yet. He’s great, yes, but greatest? You can have a good conversation about who’s second, but that is it.
by Maryland Fan on Jan 27, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't ever want the trophy renamed...It is a part of the leagues history...But Bill B. is in the same..
and deserving of being in the company of the greatest coaches…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Unreal
thinking back to earlier in the year with all the injuries and then the 6-6 record its hard to believe we are in the Super Bowl! Pinch me. I want this one bad!
He started with 3 SBs with the Pats
in his first five. That will get you noticed.Great QBs have floudered with bad teams. Steve Young, Plunkett, etc.
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