Measuring Greatness
Comparing quarterbacks at different stages of the careers is difficult. So, to compare, we'll take a sample size from years four through eight to see how one quarterback stacks up against the two quarterbacks that defined the position over the past decade.
Tom Brady (2003-2007)
Peyton Manning (2001-2005)
Eli Manning (2007-2011)
Single season highs (amongst all three):
Attempts: 591 (Peyton Manning, 2002)
Completion percentage: 68.9 (Tom Brady, 2007)
Yards: 4,933 (Eli Manning, 2011)
Yards per attempt: 9.2 (Peyton Manning, 2004)
Touchdowns: 50 (Tom Brady, 2007)
Interceptions: 25 (Eli Manning, 2010)
Completions (20+): 68 (Peyton Manning, 2011)
Completions (40+): 18 (Eli Manning, 2011)
This does not say a whole lot. However, it sets up a point I'd like to make when we look at stats collectively over a five year sample.
Still, I find it impressive that Eli has completed more 40+ yard passes in 2011 with Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz than either of the other two have with Hall of Fame talent to throw to at some point in this sample.
Also, if you will note, each quarterback owns several different stats. This sample is not to obscure any of the accomplishments of Brady or big brother Peyton either, as you will note, both of their statistically most impressive seasons ('04 for Manning and '07 for Brady) are included.
Now, let's look at how each quarterback has fared over a combined five seasons.
(Attempts)
Tom Brady: 2,625
Peyton Manning: 2,654
Eli Manning: 2,645
(Completions)
Tom Brady: 1,656
Peyton Manning: 1,755
Eli Manning: 1,601
(Completion Percentage)
Tom Brady: 63%
Peyton Manning: 66%
Eli Manning: 61%
(Yards)
Tom Brady: 19,757
Peyton Manning: 20,902
Eli Manning: 19,530
(Yards per attempt)
Tom Brady: 7.5
Peyton Manning: 7.9
Eli Manning: 7.4
Thus far, the numbers are so close that it's starting to get a little weird. Remember the disclaimer. This looks at the same years (4-8) in each of these quarterback's careers. There was no premeditation in this presentation. I am not picking and choosing numbers in the presentation to favor one quarterback over another.
(Touchdowns)
Tom Brady: 151
Peyton Manning: 161
Eli Manning: 141
(interceptions)
Tom Brady: 60
Peyton Manning: 72
Eli Manning: 85
This is the area that people will talk most about. Touchdown passes and interceptions, and as far as differential goes, Eli is a bit off the mark of the other two (+56). Tom Brady weighs in at +91, while big brother is up at +89.
The problem is, a touchdown pass versus interception differential does not exactly correlate. It's used all of the time as a measurement, for reasons that are based mostly on convenience.
But, other stats get us right back to where we were originally.
(Completions of 20+yards)
Tom Brady: 257
Peyton Manning: 264
Eli Manning: 252
(Completions of 40+ yards)
Tom Brady: 50
Peyton Manning: 50
Eli Manning: 47
These stats are about as on par between three quarterbacks as you'll ever see.
This last measure is not really much of a measure. But obviously a quarterback's numbers will be impacted by who he is throwing the ball to.
Tom Brady's leading receivers:
2003: Deion Branch, David Givens
2004: David Givens, David Patten
2005: Deion Branch, David Givens
2006: Reche Caldwell, Ben Watson
2007: Randy Moss, Wes Welker
Peyton Manning's leading receivers:
2001: Marvin Harrison, Marcus Pollard
2002: Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne
2003: Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne
2004: Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison
2005: Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne
Eli Manning's leading receivers:
2007: Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer
2008: Domenik Hixon, Amani Toomer
2009: Steve Smith, Mario Manningham
2010: Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham
2011: Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks
Does this make or break the argument? No. Peyton Manning enjoys the luxury of a pair of receivers that features one Hall of Fame lock (Harrison) and one who will likely fall just short (Wayne). Tom Brady played several years with no-name receivers, but he posted his monster season when he got some help (Moss and Welker). Eli has had quite the mixed bag at receiver and now finally has a really promising group in place. Despite this, he's right in the mix with Brady and Peyton on just about every stat.
Elite? Maybe.
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I'm not surprised
but if you were to include 3rd down stats, 4th quarter and final 2 minutes of 1st half and game, I think Eli would lead in some of those, but yes he is Eli-Te!!
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 21, 2012 4:29 AM EST reply actions
Eli didn't say that
But Cool Papa Bell, the Negro Leagues great, did.
This is heresy amongst football fans, but
Eli’s career path is very very similar to Brady
Brady won titles earlier because he had a stalwart defense to lean on.
Eli is our King!
This is outstanding, rec'd
An interesting comparison because of how close they are in the numbers.
What I like about our boy, is he is still ascending in his career. And he is starting to put himself on the top of some very impressive lists. Lists that include winning in the clutch.
Against SF, I saw a kid who was getting killed, yet never wavered in his toughness, never wavered in his ability to keep his focus downfield and deliver the ball. He is as clutch as clutch gets.
Colin Cowherd said this morning that “Peyton is ARod and Eli is Jeter.” I found that to be a fabulous comparison.
The truth. The REAL voice of reason
Couldn't have put it better
Eli has had some rocky seasons but he’s made great strides in each and every one.
Some of the throws he made downfield, having had to scramble out of the pocket and get hit by multiple linemen are throws that you can look at and say that no other quarterback in the league makes that throw. The 49ers did everything you could ask a team to do defensively and more, and yet, Eli was just that good on Sunday.
And the scary part is that he’s entering the phase of his career where monster numbers are going to become the norm, especially if the Giants can keep that receiving core intact.
by Max Schwager on Jan 23, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Completions (20+): 68 (Peyton Manning, 2011)
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