Mystery Of The Missing Mathias: Where Has Kiwanuka Been?
I received an e-mail from a reader Tuesday morning inquiring about the recent lack of playing time for Giants linebacker Mathias Kiwanuka. I, too, noticed against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday that Kiwanuka did not play much, and when he did he was often lined up as a pass-rushing defensive lineman.
I figured that it was a situation caused by the Giants playing against an explosive passing offense and that the Giants simply played more nickel/dime with the three safeties and with rookie Jacquian Williams as a pass defender than they normally might.
Then I went to Pro Football Focus and looked up the numbers. Sure enough, Kiwanuka played only 22 of a possible 77 snaps Sunday against Green Bay. But then I looked a little further. He played only 19 snaps against Dallas in the season finale and 25 snaps against Atlanta in the Giants opening-round playoff game.
Prior to this three-game stretch, which coincides with the Giants playing their best defense of the season, Kiwanuka had played at least 40 snaps in every game, and more than 60 seven times.
So, what gives? Kiwanuka is not good in pass coverage (-5.1 PFF grade for the season), but is outstanding in run support from the linebacker spot (+15.5 per PFF). Have the Giants decided that his pass-coverage weaknesses hurt them more than his run defense helps them? Have they just reverted to the three-safety look that was so successful a season ago, costing Kiwanuka snaps as sort of collateral damage? Was Kiwanuka, who seemingly has played very well overall whether you think he belongs at linebacker or not, part of the defensive problem? I certainly did not think so.
To be honest, I really don't know. I would love to hear Perry Fewell's answer on this, but even if he were asked he would be unlikely to give a straight answer that would actually tell us anything. It may well be a situation where Kiwanuka is only being used at linebacker when the Giants expect run, and is getting the rest of his snaps as an occasional part of the four defensive end pass-rush package.
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Let's hope he is ready for this week
We will need him against Frank Gore and the best offensive line we have seen in many weeks. Could be he is dinged up.
Will lightning really strike twice?
Kiwi will be there and be the spy on Gore.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
The O line is not that great
The running game only averaged 4.1 ypc this year (decent but not great), and Alex Smith was one of the most sacked QBs in the league this year. If the Giants D continues to play the way they’ve been playing of late, I am predicting that the 9ers won’t score a TD all game. Only field goals baby!!
by NYStateofMind on Jan 18, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Avoiding the mismatch??
Kiwanuka plays strong side over the TE and it appears that the defense is playing a lot of 2 MAN. With 2MAN he would be singled up against the TE. I don’t think we want to see Kiwi covering Finley, Gonzalez or Whitten.
One of these days OSI will be gone and Kiwi probably be added back to the DE rotation.
My best guess.
Nah they flip sides whenever he ends up on the TE
and Frankly he can cover some TE’s
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and Frankly he can cover some TE’s
Finley, Gonzalez and Witten are better then “some” TEs
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Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
thats true, jimmy graham made kiwi look like a scrub
JPP for 2011 DPOY!
by NewYork! on Jan 17, 2012 3:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
this would also dictate a limited role on Sunday
Davis has all the tools of the guys listed above, and I would much rather see Williams and Boley running with him than Kiwi.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
the run game is too much of a threat
Kiwi will get plenty of playing time but not in coverage.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Boley
has been a monster since returning from his injury. He’s essentially shut down Whitten twice, Gonzalez and Finley.
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he'll be back for the 49er game
i think the Giants were trying to plan against the pass heavy attack of the Packers and having JWill on the field over Kiwi helps in pass coverage. with the 49er rushing game, i’m sure Kiwi will see a lot of action
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
Even so
He should be getting alot more snaps at DE if they dont want him at LB
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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there's only so many snaps for 2 DEs
JPP, Tuck and Osi have been playing at a high level.
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't tell you that enough!
tollefson isnt too bad either
unless theyre putting him at tackle, which demands me screaming “wtf” across the house lol
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He is surprisingly effective when he's in there
by NYStateofMind on Jan 18, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
he hasnt done too bad
but i think seeing JPP in there has brainwashed me to say no DE’s at DT
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
"11 guys playing as 1 are HARD to beat" -Justin Tuck
More Rolle then J Will, well both.
Boley= Chase = Rolle/J Will
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Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
my theory (again)
I know y’all didn’t buy my theory that the defensive playbook has intentionally evolved over the course of the season to give opponents less tape of our full plan to study BUT if it is true…perhaps we will see a few ‘new’ formations or plays involving kiwi doin what kiwi does best (rushin the passer) in the next TWO games…ie: he’s not missing, the plays involving him have been underused intentionally….I also believe in a second gunman on the grassy knoll and that the nfl refs hate big blue…
g o d i s L O V E i s g o d
by 2TONE on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
no team withholds playcalls and/or formations in the postseason
They are using anything and everything they think will work in order to advance to the next round, not hiding their playbooks in an attempt to mask future playcalls…if they don’t use these plays and don’t advance, that would look pretty foolish, wouldn’t it..?
i agree our team sluffs and does not bring all out on the table in consideration for next few games based on opponents.
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
I agree with your theory that it was intentional
But I think hiding it was only a small part of the reason
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say.
by Spider Lockhart on Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of it has to do with the teams we are playing.
Considering how both Atlanta and Green Bay, as well as Dallas to an extent, all had a lot of different weapons, ESPECIALLY good tight ends that cause mismatches, we needed guys like Williams in their for their covering ability.
While SF has some weapons to, their biggest weapon is Gore, so I’d expect Kiwi to get some more snaps in order to stop the run.
Even if he doesn’t play more in coverage, if he is getting less snaps at LB, having him play a few extra ones at DE would be nice.
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i noticed it this week...
but chalked it up to the Packers.
didn’t know he only logged 25 snaps vs. ATL though. that’s a shocker.
i think though that it’s more of a credit to Boley and JKwon….and Chase. than a knock on Kiwi….plus pretty much all year Fewell gave Kiwi some work on the Dline so i do’;nt think it’s a change of heart
Fire Fewell
Atlanta is also a pass-first offense
hence, kiwi getting reduced playing time
not really
Atlanta was 11th in rushing attempts
Jacobs to Eli: You're a beast, man. I can't tell you that enough!
only 4 teams rushed more than they passed
Texans, Broncos, Niners and Jags
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I knew i wasnt losing it
I thought he was being phased out in a sense.
I dont understand it and im not even gonna guess…… they just need to play him, period.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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He'll be on the field this week.
If he’s not rushing, he’s a liability in coverage. If he’s rushing from as a stand up LB its harder to disguise coverages.
I dont think he's so much a liability in coverage as much as Boley and Williams are just excellent at it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Do the niners really use Vernon in run support
after his monster game as a pass catcher? Don’t know, but I’d rather be safe and have JWill covering him.
Of course the use him in run support
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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Yeah he'll be on the field 95 percent of the offensive snaps
but he could cause trouble in the middle of the field….they have confidence in alex smith to sling it around.
Boley= Chase = Kiwi
will be the common look. Boley will see a lot of Davis with help over the top . is my guess.
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Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
of course, he is one of the best blocking tightends as well as receiving tightends in the league
JPP for 2011 DPOY!
by NewYork! on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
but they don't have any other receivers that would start on another team
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by Spider Lockhart on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
Walker, Crabtree and Ginn are all solid, who given a chance will tear up a secondary. Davis has been a beast this year, but don’t sleep on the rest of that group. I know the Giants won’t.
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In Reese I trust.
by GiantFanInPackerLand on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ginn? Solid?
Maybe as a returner, but as a WR he is a reclamation project…
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 17, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ginn can't catch...Good return guy..that's about it..
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compared to ATL and GB
this group of WRs shouldn’t really scare the Giants D.
However, SF calls a good game and they suck you in w/ all the running plays and Smith running around, and V. Davis….and than bing, you fall asleep and a WR makes a play down the field.
Fire Fewell
Smith won't have time to do anything...
Some nimrod said he’s an elite QB…bullcrap..Our defense is going to reconfigure his ass..
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We will need Kiwi in there at LB to stop Gore
Dude has been a beast against the run all year. He’s second on the team (and tied for 14th in the NFL) for tackles for a loss, and it seems like every game he blows up multiple runs in the backfield. I can understand not playing him as much against the Packers, given their propensity for passing and their frequent 3-wide sets. He needs to be in there against the Niners early to set the tone. I can already envision him blowing up Gore for a 2-yard loss on the first play of the game.
Almost no offense to Chase...he's been awesome.
But I think we have enough smarts between Kiwi and Boley. I’d LOVE for our starting LB corps to be JWill at WILL, Boley at MIKE, and Kiwi at SAM.
so…much…athleticism…
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions
IDK
Chase has looked pretty good at cleaning up on RBs, but if Davis becomes a problem its a possibility.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Chase = Kiwi in terms of run support.
Kiwi > Chase in pass coverage due solely in part to the difference in athleticism.
Kiwi >>>>>>>>>>>> Chase in terms of rushing the passer which is a bonus.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
thats why i think both should be on the field
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
i think Grant will have a reduced roll( no 3 safety's)
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
I'm not sure that's true
meaning Kiwi>Chase in coverage. Chase has better instincts in coverage, which might trump athleticism. I think this is why Kiwi is sitting. Agreed on the others though.
Chase >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiwi in term of him QBing the defense
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Even though neither of them have that responsibility?
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Don't get this, BBI
If those three were on the field, wouldn’t Kiwi have to be the MIKE? No way he’s going to cover the tight end with the other two being superior in coverage. I don’t know whether Kiwi can play the middle, but since it is more the pure run-stopping position, seems more suited to his strength.
by NorthwestFan on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think the DC is calling it right at the moment
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by Spider Lockhart on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Boley is Waaaay to athletic
to keep in the middle. . .he needs to be covering TE’s and roaming a bit. We need a guy who is a little more athletic than Chase to thump in the middle. . . Herz maybe someday .. . Goeff fit that roll.
I don't care who plays how many snaps
As long as this defense continues to play at this level.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Huge leads
Kiwi say limited action b/c Gmen had huge leads in Dallas, Atlanta and Packer games forcing those teams to pass. Also, I believe all those teams went to no-huddles — not allowing GMen to substitute as they like — this may cause lack of Kiwi snaps.
No huddle is a great point
Can’t give Kiwi snaps if the offense won’t allow subs to come in. Plus I’d rather have Boley/Jwill in coverage than Kiwi, especially with these TE’s we’ve been going up against.
I think it has been a coverage issue...This week
He’ll be in there stuffing their running game…The good news is he’s fresh and ready to rock an roll….Doesn’t matter how many snaps he has been in on…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Plus in the snaps he has been on the field
He has been super productive.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Does Kiwi's decrease in playing time
Correlate with Blackburn’s return to the Giants? It could be that the Giants just like to have more speed on the field when Chase is in, even on running downs, just because JWill’s speed offers more versatility to the defense.
Having a huge lead past couple weeks and thus few obvious running situations helps too.
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kiwi playing time
Who cares how much he plays as long as the bottom line is a W
let him go downhill.
let him do what he does best, pass rush, and run stuff.
I expect to see him in the backfield alot this sunday
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
How many snaps of Kiwi were on the line
as opposed to linebacker last game?
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Isn't it amazing how little we know about what Perry Fewell is really doing
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by Spider Lockhart on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 PM EST reply actions
when that happens in a game of Black Jack
it means the person is an evil genius or has no idea what the hell they’re doing
let us hope its the first one
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"It is super important to come out right away and stuff it down people's throats and make them respect the run. We have Hakeem and Mario and Cruz and then they can get off as well. It starts with the running game always."
- BJacobs
Agree
Heck i think Kiwi is definatley going to be out there for the majotity of the defensive plays. Hes been our best lb against the run and dude doesnt miss many tackles im looking for a enormous game out of kiwi especially wiyj the supposed conditions the game will be played in. Although i think the niners may be a little over confident in Mr. Smith which i think will play right into our defenses hands. Especially them knowing our game plan will be shutting down gore.
by Giants36 on Jan 17, 2012 5:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Pretty simply on this one guys.
Kiwi is a 1st and 2nd down, running down LB. When the other team is 3rd and long, or in an obvious passing situation, he’s not going to be out there. He hasn’t played that much the 2 playoff games because they have put the other teams in obvious passing situations a lot, ergo, the more the Giants are winning, the less you will see Kiwi on the field.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions
I think it's a couple of things
First, he played a LOT of snaps while other LB’s were injured, and he may have been overused a bit for his lonevity and strength over a full scheduke.
To my eyes, he was nowhere near as quick late in the season as he was earlier, and I think they needed to dial down his snaps.
With that in mind, as they got healthier and could dial down his snaps, he’s just better rushing at DE and run stopping than in coverage. He’s just not a LB in my mind, he’s a DE. Just because we had weakness in the LB corps did not make him a LB. I think he was a weakness in coverage, and with all the passing teams we’ve been facing, we’ve seen more Boley and Williams out there at the same time to defend the pass, with Blackburn in the middle. Some of that is a testament to Williams continued development.
I hope they return him next year to DE, where his best skills will be best used. But against the 49ers he may see more snaps, assuming he’s healthy enough.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Well whatever the reason, the defense has been much better ands thats all that matters.
I hope they find a way to get him involved in the pass rush and in run coverage. maybe he can rotate on the line or something. But if the defense is fixed, don’t break it.
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by 3dsoul on Jan 17, 2012 5:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Kiwi played very well in the Dallas game
I guess it was limited but he was all over the field from what I remember
I get a charge out of all these fools giving the 49ers a weather edge...
Do they ever look at a f-ing map of the United States?..Hey dopies !!..Our team plays out of the Northeast !!..Rain sleet snow..outside…You morons play in Southern California where it’s rainy but balmy..Y’all think that is an advantage?..Pass the bong, please
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The other thing is Bobbi
The Niners kick a lot of FGs . . . Akers has been money all year he kicked like 2 50 + yarders vs us last time. . .if the field is crummy that can affect him big time.
I've been saying it all year. This guy is NOT a linebacker!!!! He can play decently to well agains the run.
BUT THAT IS IT!!!! He is a DE, and a DAMN GOOD ONE!!!! He is NOT fast, does not have coverage skills, and is a liability in coverage! I am amazed it took them this long to figure it out. Rotate him in on DE, keep the guys fresh and crashing on the QB, and he adds SO MUCH MORE!!! Boley and Williams can handle the coverage responsibilities, and we can use the 3 safety look. I look to see him in a little more against 9ers, but that’s it.
That's right..now this game he'll be in there alot to stuff the run..He's not a cover guy, nor
Should he be…He’s a defensive end with alot of talent..but don’t expect him to be covering anybody..That is why he’s not had as many snaps…Now we face a decent running attack..He’ll be in on the action to slam the door shut..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Thing is the Giants will re-sign him long term
for LB money not DE money . . . I have a feeling thats why they’re keeping him there, throw in the fact we have 3 good DE’s we can get away with it.
He's just too big to be good in coverage
Also we’ve played passing teams. I think we will see a lot of him against the 49ers and possibly the Ravens if the two teams meet in the SB.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 18, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions

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