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Fire Tom Coughlin And Perry Fewell And Jerry Reese
by EliManCrushing on Jan 16, 2012 8:36 AM EST
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PrintTom Coughlin needs to go. Look how many dud games the Giants have had this year. They never show up for a big game and Coughlin will never lead this team to the playoffs again! I mean they lose to the Seahawks at home! And the Redskins, not once but twice. They lost to Vince Young in a huge game. Vince Freaking Young! V.Y. is awful.
And then Perry Fewell. What else can you say? Just terrible. The Giants defense is a sieve and they are completely healthy! There are absolutely no problems missing from the defensive secondary and they communicate as well as the people at the Tower of Bable (thanks guy, fire my spelling too!)
These knuckleheads must go.
And then that Jerry Reese. What does he know about signing free agents. Michael Boley? Come on man this guy will never make a big play. Too much money for Antrel Rolle, and Chris Canty is he even on the team?
And then he drafted Jacquian Williams. Who is this guy? What a wasted pick.
Sound familiar? Well, guess what people. We are ALL Idiots. Every one of us have questioned Tom Coughlin and/or Perry Fewell (yes you have, don't lie. If not Coughlin definitely Fewell) and people go crazy over the draft. I didn't even mention eveyone's favorite punching bag Jason Pierre Paul (he's pretty good too!)
Yes the Michael Boley signing looked bad at a time, but when he was out of games the Giants defense was so much different (and worse) without him that we see is true value. Chris Canty took awhile to get going but has been unheralded this year. Antrel Rolle, all this guy has done is show leadership (even if it's through the wrong venue like the media) and play versatile. He has played nickel cornerback, free safety, strong safety, linebacker/s hybrid. And has just made plays without complaining.
If this season has taught me anything it's that well, we're all idiots and should just defer to the masters. Perry Fewell has had a Spags like turnaround here. Coughlin still pushes the right buttons and Jerry Reese is a master.
Lets go Big Blue.
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I rest easy knowing that as big an ass as I can be
Im not Craig Carton
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Question for anybody reading
How do you guys feel about Mike Lupica from ESPN radio?
The reason I’m asking is because I’m amazed such an annoying person can be broadcast on such a popular (yet, admittedly substance-less) radio network. Maybe I’m the only one that cringes at the sound of his fake laugh.
Sec. 148
by pataroons on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They also have Cowherd for hours and hours every single weekday
I think the ESPN Radio execs are just messing with us. Like “you like sports so much, you’ll listen to anything.”
he is pretty bad alot of the time
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
he's been a jerk and an idiot for decades
I was in high school from 1980-1984 and he was snarky stupid twerp who pumped out a lot of hot air for attention back then.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
Not a good voice for radio but the content is ok
Not great, but ok.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
I questioned Fewell
Always had faith in TC and JR… Gilbride won me over in the first couple of games…
But to my credit. P.F. had his head up his arse for 14 weeks. I am justified to question him.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Damn right.
I’m just glad we got healthy on the Dline and Fewell decided to listen to his players.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
and what a great turn around it has been
This is not the 2007 team.
2011 NYG will have their own legacy.
Tower of Babel
I’ve been pretty supportive all along, even get the angry pessimists gettign all worked up telling me I’m a homer and can’t see the teams flaws… I can I just realize that these guys know better than I do what’s going on.
FYRE CLAWFIN
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
I cop the same plea
I lost faith in Fewell. Maybe return of injured players made the difference. That’s part of it, but I still think he finally made adjustmentst to fit the system to the players maybe at TC’s orders.
losing faith in Fewell is still OK to me
I still think this defense is not reaching its potential.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
still not reaching it's potential?
They have given up 48 combined points in their last four games and you can argue that 14 of the points yesterday were greatly helped out by calls by the referees (the fumble/non fumble/non fumble call) and the Osi Umeinyora call.
They migh tnot be at their absolute best, but pretty close.
by EliManCrushing on Jan 16, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
"...not reaching its potential."
It’s sounds weird after the latest stretch of wins, but I agree. The D has the potential to play even better than it has recently.
My concern remains the OL. Their protection of Eli is no more than satisfactory,but good enough to win because Eli is an elite QB We haven’t really shown a consistent ability to run the ball. Yesterday those late runs by B & J were more a result outstanding individual effort by the runners taking advantage of a D that had its spirit destroyed than a powerful OL exerting its will.
Once again, (it can’t be said often enough) kudos to Pat Flaherty
I started losing patience with him before he changed up the schemes
The scheme changes produced immediate results.
I’m talking lots of press cover-2 man, instead of all that read and react zone crap.
That saved his job and saved the Giants’ season.
Now everyone will say Eli is in Bradys class. F*ck me
by PatNation85 on Nov 6, 2011 4:31 PM PST
yes it did
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
fire JR for not signing LBzz
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
LB
Navarro Bowman I think woulda been a great signing… Just look at him with SF
If the Jets could tackle Victor Cruz
This might not be sarcasm
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
completely disagree
the team was obviously under-performing. The results of the last 4 weeks is proof. I give TC and the coaches credit for FINALLY adjusting.
Perry Fewell Stinks!
and I wrtoe this down earlier too
But the play of Jacquian Williams has been terrific and it’s helped. And Justin Tuck coming back from the dead helps a lot too. Osi was hurt as well
Chase blackburn settled things down in the middle
Even when the defense was playing poorly they were still forcing a lot of turnovers, they just didn’t have the talent at times I think to keep people out of the end zone.
The fixing of the complexity of the defense also helps.
by EliManCrushing on Jan 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Made my comment is the Kidos/Wet Willies post.
I still stand by my comments. We may be happy and gleeful now after our victory over GB and a trip to the NFC Championship game but at the time that these individual’s were being criticized no one forsaw the Giants in this position. Thier season looked all but over. I am glad that I was wrong but at the time I needed to vent and they were the perfect candidates.
by LoNJDTechnology on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Now we see how far this team can go
Heck, some people said our talent was overrated, but obviously we have a lot of young guys who will be beasts for years to come thanks for JR. The coaching was the problem throughout the year and a reason why we went 9-7 but now that they got it together, we look damn hard to beat. We are not unstoppable by any means, but look out NFL, because these GMEN are LEGIT
Tony Romo, Michael Vick, and Rex Grossman are down with JPP
Die hard Giants fan since I was 4
J-E-T-S Just-End-The-Season
by JasonPierrePwned on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST reply actions
not a monday morning without the Fire everyone chants
good work getting them in there
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Yeah.
Fire ALL OF THEM.
I have never been on the KG bandwagon, and still am not. There were some very, very, very predictable calls during a few minutes of the game. Not going to elaborate on it again.
I liked PF, but for whatever reason, things just haven’t come together until recently.
I think it’s a combination of players coming back, editing the current system, and WILL.
You can take a ragtag, loose-cannon group of guys and do a lot with them if you can help them to FORCE THEIR WILL on the opposition. The human will is intangible, and yet, very real.
I haven’t like Tynes, and still don’t. Liability.
I’ve always though JR is good at what he does.
Anyhow, they are putting it together at the right time, and at the end of the day, they are all GIANTS so they’re my guys.
In the meantime, though, FIRE ALL OF THEM!
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
ahem
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by Cory Braiterman on Jan 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
GMEN were awful at times
The team did look lifeless and terrible at times this year. The “FIRE THEM ALL” talk may have been hyperbole, but the fans anger and disappointment was deserved.
So happy that they have turned it around.
was on that bandwagon
I was more upset with the play calling on both sides of the ball and calling for Gilbride n Fewell to go—-but obviously now everyone is safe, which is good so we keep that chemistry.
It's still GIANTS Stadium
You down wit JPP---yeah you know me
Shades of Gray
Don’t get me wrong – this is a good post. A needed post.
But nagging questions remain.
Coughlin loses games he should not
Perry lost his D in the middle of the season
JR is better than most but gaps still exist (LB)
Still, these guys are winning and that is the ultimate metric. I have always been on the JR bandwagon but criticizing TC is something I’ve done a lot of. Not now. His flaws are still flaws but he has this team ready to play when it counts and that makes up for a lot of issues.
GO BLUE!
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
I reserve the right to bitch
It makes me feel better after a loss.
Fewell
If Fewell is so great, why the hell did it take him 16 weeks to figure out his players??? He rarely makes any ingame adjustments. The run by the Giants is all about the players.
Progression of rookies
A lot of it has to do with the resiging of Chase Blackburn, and the progression of rookies, especially Jacuiqan Williams, who was a liablity at times, but has put it together at times.
The team was also decimatd with injuries, Tuck was lifeless and Osi was out.
The defense was giving up a lot of poitns, however, and I wrote this before the Cowboys game.
The defense had caused a LOT of turnovers. A lot. And last year they lead the league in turnovers.
by EliManCrushing on Jan 16, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
and the every present
Scheme Vs Personnel – I go scheme.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Personnel/Talent
whatever you wanna call it
read the sig
The ultimate football chicken & egg argument:
What came first? The great talent or the great scheme?
By your argument you would prefer to play well all regular season games, then collapse in the playoffs.
The bottom line is, they got it together just in time for us to make a run and we have a good chance to bring home another superbowl title.
Eli is Elite
JPP for defensive MVP
Nicks is a beast
Cruz in control
"Hello...you play to win the game."
I've never called for the firing of Tom
I have doubted Fewell a few times tho lol
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Critics of Fewell Were Correct
When he finally made changes to the defensive scheme, the defense has vastly improved. I would’ve fired Coughlin only if the Giants had missed the playoffs.
For me, Killdrive is a love-hate relationship
In his offenses, Eli has become a top 10 QB for the last 4 years and a top 5 QB this year not to mention the offense being top 10 in the NFL in yards, points, etc. I dont know if this is Killdrives play calling or Eli Manning’s brilliance and the talent of his WRs. Then Killdrive goes conservative when we are up by 10 and shows the defense what we will do depending on which back is in the backfield, down and distance, and personel on the line. As for Fewell, I dont know what he did to these guys that Jets game, but we have been on fire since then. Why he couldnt do that in the middle of the season when our boys looked LOST against drew brees is beyond me. Hopefully he keeps it up next season (if he isnt hired by anyone else).
Tony Romo, Michael Vick, and Rex Grossman are down with JPP
Die hard Giants fan since I was 4
J-E-T-S Just-End-The-Season
by JasonPierrePwned on Jan 16, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions
Let's not act
as if the Giant’s weren’t a horrible team at times in the regular season. They lost to the Redskins TWICE. They pulled it together when the had to, and for that we are all grateful. They earned every bit of the scorn heaped upon them in the regular season, though.
by GentlemanBrown on Jan 16, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions
had no bank left to break.
they’re right at the cap.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I love how these threads come out after our wins and loses
fire JR
keep JR
fire JR
keep JR
geez
The ultimate football chicken & egg argument:
What came first? The great talent or the great scheme?
I was wrong (to some degree)
I have had questions about how JR has constructed this team. I still have questions going forward, but as of right now the Giants are playing well. There are still holes, there are still aging issues at key positions. He did get his cajones pulled out of the fire by undrafted players. But this team is winning, and much of that goes to the players he got.
Boley, who I doubted, FINALLY had a game were he was a big time playmaker. Those 2 sacks were great!
Boley, who I doubted, FINALLY had a game were he was a big time playmaker. Those 2 sacks were great!
try D MVP behind JPP this yr.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
by Troy O on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
damn straight
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
Just ordered FatHeads for all available Giants. Now I have something to aim at when punching holes in my wall.
there are still aging issues at key positions
I count 1. RT.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Jacobs is getting up there
But AB44 is still young and we drafted another burner in round 7 hoping to strike lightning once again and we have addressed our needs on the Oline…Petrus, Brewer but they are young and learning the curve that is Oline in the NFL
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Booth is more then adequate at LG
as is Petrus. In fact, I’d say Petrus and Boothe starting at the guards would be a whole lot better then what we got now.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Which fans and teams don't have questions? Ask the Packers and their fans even going 15-1.
Eli is Elite
JPP for defensive MVP
Nicks is a beast
Cruz in control
"Hello...you play to win the game."
15-2
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by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 6:52 AM EST up reply actions
Boley, when healthy, has been doing this for the past few years
I know he’s not LT so he’s a terrible LBeeker, but in reality he’s pretty good and has been aside from the injury infused first year.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I didnt notice a mention of Gilbride
interesting
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
fire Coughlin or Reese?
Don’t put me on your idiot list,i sent a email before the season started saying if T.C. made the playoffs with all the injuries& rookies force into starting roles,he should be coach of the year.
Still doesn't change the fact that Canty is being paid like Wilfork
Wilfork received about $10 million more in signing bonus ($18 to 8.5), but they both received their share. So now, the only thing basically remaining on the contract for Wilfork and Canty is their base salaries (disregarding workout bonuses, etc):
Canty: 2012: $6 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $6.5 million
Wilfork: 2012: $4.5 million, 2013: $6.5 million, 2014: $7.5 million
There’s absolutely no way that Canty is on WIlfork’s level.
Don’t give me the excuse that Jerry Reese had to overpay for him.
I understand for Antrel Rolle. There were team(s) willing to pay Antrel $. But tell me, who was willing to give Canty that type of money? The Redskins dropped out of the bidding once they signed Haynesworth. The Packers didn’t want to invest a whole lot in Canty.
Many Giants fans put forth the argument that Canty occupied blockers and made Jay Ratliff and DeMarcus Ware better.
WTF?!!!! Is this even a valid argument? Ratliff and Ware, especially Ware, are dominant at their position regardless of whether or not Canty was there are DE for them. Tell me, how was Ware starting from the 2009 season on? How about Ratliff? They seem to be doing well without Canty.
What Jerry Reese essentially did was replace Cofield with Canty, NOT Cofield with Linval Joseph. Once JR gave Canty that contract, Cofield was out the door. He wouldn’t be getting a new contract from the Giants, and that’s exactly what happened.
Truth be told, I’ve been a proponent of Cofield and I’d rather have him (more productive player, both in the pass and run) than Canty.
With that said, Canty’s been fine. But his contract is a head-scratcher, to say the least.
I would take Jerry Reese over ANY GM, especially when it comes to the draft
He’s a mastermind when it comes to drafting. And I hope we don’t lose Marc Ross.
Agreed!
Eli is Elite
JPP for defensive MVP
Nicks is a beast
Cruz in control
"Hello...you play to win the game."
Some day he will be cut to make room for other salaries
Like JPP.
2012 mock (Manningham resigns) - 1: Janoris Jenkins CB / Chase Minnifield CB, 2: Kevin Zeitler LG / Ben Jones C-LG / Cordy Glenn LG-RT, 3: Keenan Robinson SAM, 4: Neiko Thorpe FS, 5: Vic Ballard RB / Brandon Bolden RB
(Manningham lost) - 1: Marvin McNutt WR, 2: Kevin Zeitler LG / Ben Jones C-LG / Cordy Glenn LG-RT, 3: Keith Tandy CB, 4: Neiko Thorpe FS, 5: Vic Ballard RB / Brandon Bolden RB
JPP, Nicks, Cruz, and KP are all in line to get paid
JPP is a free agent in 2015, so he’s a while away. Although I assume that at the rate that he’s going, Reese may want to give him a contract extension, instead of competing for him in free agency.
Nicks becomes a FA is 2014. He’s making nothing, relative to football players. In 2013, he’ll be making about $1 million.
Cruz becomes a RFA in 2013. He’ll make about 500k in 2012.
Phillips becomes a FA in 2013. In 2012, he’ll make about 900k.
I cant recall what teams it was, but there was competition for Canty
The Giants were a slight underdog in getting him .
Ratliff has had 1 good yr since Canty left . Garbage this and last yr.
But if your hanging your hat on the Canty contract then by all means.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
I strongly believe that Jerry Reese is the BEST GM in the business
However, the Chris Canty contract really baffles me.
This year, Jay Ratliff’s play has declined, which can be attributed to injuries and a new system. Remember, the way that Wade implements and Rob Ryan implements the NT are completely different. The former was a better fit for Ratliff, as he’s on the smaller size for NT’s.
But to say that last year he was garbage is wrong. His decline this year has NOTHING to do with Canty leaving.
Heck, I’ll even go a step further as to Canty’s presence not being missed by the Cowgirls. Anthony Spencer had his best season in 2009, which was after Canty left during FA. And he’s bounced back this year to have a decent season.
As far as the teams that pursued Canty are concerned, here’s the list:
Redskins, the Titans, Seahawks, 49ers, Packers, and Giants
1. The Redskins were out once they signed Haynesworth.
2. The Packers were interested, but didn’t want to give him the $ that he was looking for.
3. I’m not sure how serious the 49ers would’ve been. Remember, the previous year, they signed Justin Smith to a six year deal worth $45 million. Investing over $80 million at one position, other than QB, is A LOT. Remember, it’s not $80 million to Justin Smith and Ngata. That’s understandable. Canty is hardly on their level.
4. The Seahawks were interested, but that had Brandon Mebane and Rocky Bernard, so I don’t think they would’ve dished out $40 million.
5. The Titans were interested in Canty because they’d just lost out on Haynesworth.
We got Bernard the same time we got Canty
Seahawks would have had a big need. IMO
Its just my point he is not worth the contract but he not killing it either.. he’s been good (which is pretty good in todays FA)
There was a lot of competition for him which drives up the price . its also Jerry’s only “questionable” call.
2009 Ratliff was killin it, last yr there was a decline and this yr poor (maybe due to Ryan)
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
Good point on the Seattle Seahawks
But then that point further strengthens my point.
1. First off, was DT that BIG of a need for us?
Once we signed Benard, that means that we had Cofield, Fred Robbins, and Jay Alford on the roster. Alford is only in there for depth purposes, but a rotation of Cofield, Robbins, and Benard seems pretty solid.
2. This is my main contention:
Why was Canty given 6 years, $42 million?
I understand that certainly market forces make us overpay.
But giving him $42 million means that you think Canty’s a good/very good player. How so?
For argument’s sake, let’s use LBZ as an example. And there are three free agents: Curtis Lofton, Blackburn, Keith Brooking. They also ranked in terms of skill:
So, you’d expect Lofton to get somewhere close to what Posluszny received ($42 million over 6 years, so $7 million annually if averaged)
Let’s say that Brooking signs for a 1 year deal worth $1.
You’d expect Blackburn to receive money somewhere in between but closer to Brooking than Lofton.
But let’s say that Blackburn receives a contract that’s worth $5 million annually.
You can tell me market forces drove up the price and etc, etc, but you still can’t justify that.
In essence, what I’m trying to get at is, how the heck did team(s) think Canty was a good/very good player?
He’s not. He’s a decent player.
Combine that with the fact that we have a gluttony at the defensive tackle position at that time, there was no need to overreact.
Canty rules
great monster push up the middle.
It’s not all DEs. They can’t do their job without good or great DTs. Canty is why our DEs can do what they do.
Great signing.
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
What you're trying to say is that our DE's are great because of Canty
Tuck was great before Canty came. Arguably, his best season was in 2008.
Osi was an established veteran before Canty came aboard.
And I believe that JPP would’ve been great with or without Canty.
I don’t disagree with your notion that DE’s can’t do their jobs without DT’s. That’s 100% true. But to say that our DE’s are doing what they’re doing because of Canty is giving Canty WAYYYY too much credit to a mediocre/decent player.
Here’s the proof that your wrong. Canty left the Cowgirls in 2009.
Ever since then, DeMarcus Ware has still been dominant. Anthony Spencer had his best season in 2009, after Canty left, and he’s had a decent season this year.
So, did the Cowgirls really miss Canty? I’d say they were fine without him.
Now, if your reasoning was true, then that would mean that Marcus Spears has done an admirable job filling in for Canty. And seeing that production actually increased, since Spears is a FA this year, does that mean that Spears is worth $42 million?
1. I am right
2. Ratliff has suffered greatly without Canty at DE. Ask BtB
3. They had the formidable duo of Robbins and Cofield. Canty is here to replace that. Those DTs made them great, we had to continue the support.
4. Ware and Spencer (who sucks, ask BtB) are not comparable. Ratliff is.
5. Canty is a beast.
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
1. WOW. It’s people like you…never mind. I’ll stop before I write something that I regret.
2. REALLY? Ratliff suffered greatly without Canty?
Then please explain to me how Ratliff made the All-Pro team in 2009, AFTER Canty left?
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4665962/demarcus-ware-and-jay-ratliff-are-all-pro
3. We signed Rocky Benard, before we signed Canty. Robbins, Cofield, Bernard, and then also Canty? WTF???
4. It doesn’t change the fact that Spencer had his best two seasons in 2009 and 2012. That was AFTER Canty left.
5. How so. This guy gets pushed over almost all the time in running plays. And please don’t bring up the 4th down stops. Otherwise, we can say that based on a couple of plays. Eli Manning is the worst QB in the NFL, which would be false.
I’m looking at Canty’s career and season overall, which was been decent. He’s hardly a beast
canty rules
…
the end
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Canty
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 17, 2012 6:53 AM EST up reply actions
Combine that with the fact that we have a gluttony at the defensive tackle position at that time, there was no need to overreact.
There is no such thing. Ask our DEs this year.(1/2 Tuck 1/2 yr Osi) Bro and Robbins had 1 and 2 yrs left. Jay was a baby. you have to think JR had the insight to know .if not now then when? .
Canty is good not avg. or great.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
My problem though is this. When he signed Canty, he essentially meant that Barry Cofield was no longer going to be a Giant.
We all knew that Cofield wanted a big contract, somewhere along the lines of what Canty received. And when he signed Canty, it meant that he wasn’t going to re-sign Cofield because he wasn’t going to hand out two big contracts to defensive tackles.
So, why did he do that? He essentially replaced Cofield with Canty.
The only reason why is that JR was worried about Cofield’s knees. So far, he’s proven JR wrong, which is something hard to do.
All pro because he is on the Pokes
How did Raji make the Pro Bowl this season…he was garbage. Camry is not a superstar but he is a very good DT for us and he gives us the push we need up front. You do realize that in 09 every single player on our Dline was hurt right…not sure how you are supposed to man handle 300 lb plus dudes when your injured…just sayin
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Lol Canty**
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Making it to the All-Pro and making it to the Pro-Bowl are two different things. I hope you understand that.
The Pro-Bowl is merely a popularity contest, while players who actually play well are mention as All-Pros.
Take for example the parallel comparison to the NBA. Yao Ming, despite playing like sh** or being injured made to the All-Star game. However, he would never find himself on the All-NBA Team. The All-Star game is like the Pro Bowl, while the All-Pro is like the All-NBA team.
There is far, far more credence when you make it to the All-Pro team.
He did overpay and that happens with every team. They thought he would give us more than he has.
Eli is Elite
JPP for defensive MVP
Nicks is a beast
Cruz in control
"Hello...you play to win the game."
You overpay ONLY if there's a demand, or you perceive that there's a demand
And I’m not sure there was a team that was serious enough to dish out $40 million.
I think it was the latter and Reese overpayed when he didn’t have to.
And remember, we still had Cofield and Fred Robbins.
If there's a candy bar that's $1, but someone's willing to pay $2 for it (or at least you think someone is), then paying $3 for that candy bar is understandable.
But when you pay $3 for it and everyone else was eyeing that candy for $1.5, then that’s stupid.
Oh god lets not get carried away in the OTHER direction
I posted something like this in the other thread but I guess its more appropriate here.
The Giants defense flat out sucked until very recently, when the coaches decided to stop doing stupid stuff that wasnt working. Other than Osi and for a couple games Boley, the players are the exact same ones that they started with. Giving the coaching staff too much credit here is like having someone twist your arm behind your back and when they stop, thanking them because you feel so much better.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
Tuck healthy , and Rolle calling out the D cant be over looked.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
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Neither can the fact that guys arent running around waving their arms
and facing the wrong way when the ball is snapped.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 16, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
nope, thats why i believe its a combination.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
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yeah me too, actually
I am just having a hard time with the “see, everything was just fine with the coaching all along” thing going on today.
Truth be told, my personal opinion is that coaching probably doesn’t make as big a difference as us fans tend to think. All these coaches are solid X and O guys, even the ones that drive us crazy, and I’d say that in general its usually better to stay with the coaches you already have unless there is a major issue.
I think its sort of a shame we’ll probably never know if TC stepped in regarding the defensive stuff this year. I sort of suspect that he did, and if thats the case he really does deserve some credit for that because it sure didn’t look like the poor results were having any effect on the way the defensive gameplans were getting drawn up.
by Oppenheimer919 on Jan 16, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Rolle was just asked about it (on ESPN Network)and basically said
that it was a lot of things but mostly the secondary and the coaches are on the same page.
i wouldn’t be surprised if the 2ndary led by Rolle took the issue to TC .
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
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The team's recent performance
validates the criticism of the coaching staff earlier this year. This team did lay an egg in 4 games it should have won and had it cost them a playoff birth this staff might be gone. Thankfully they got it turned around and are now headed to the NFC Championship. This team in recent weeks is now playing like many of us thought they could which is why there was so much frustration.
by G-FANinFL on Jan 16, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
every fan believes their team can excell
It’s the mark of a good coach when they actually get them to do so.
Fans will never be happy with the coach, unless they win it all. It’s in our nature to second guess and monday morning quarterback these guys. It’s part of the joy of being a fan, the “what would I have done different?” after a loss or win.
Coughlin and co. will be put right back on this same hotseat next fall. The memory of all of this will be wiped away by week 10, and there will be people on this site and many others calling for his head again… all caught up in the loss, completely forgetting that they are good coaches, that have proven it with this season.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I still want a new red zone OC
Jacobs on an outside sweep from the 2? No thank you. You either need to charge him into the line or pitch him the ball back where he can be kept out of the fray.
2012 mock (Manningham resigns) - 1: Janoris Jenkins CB / Chase Minnifield CB, 2: Kevin Zeitler LG / Ben Jones C-LG / Cordy Glenn LG-RT, 3: Keenan Robinson SAM, 4: Neiko Thorpe FS, 5: Vic Ballard RB / Brandon Bolden RB
(Manningham lost) - 1: Marvin McNutt WR, 2: Kevin Zeitler LG / Ben Jones C-LG / Cordy Glenn LG-RT, 3: Keith Tandy CB, 4: Neiko Thorpe FS, 5: Vic Ballard RB / Brandon Bolden RB
I'm don't agree with you 100%
Of course there are areas of improvement for Gilbride.
However, I’m not so sure about canning him for a new OC.
Eli’s been entrenched in Gilbride’s system for years. And in the NFL, consistency is a key component.
That’s not to say that Eli is a system QB and he can’t flourish in other systems. But I think Gilbride and Eli are a nice fit.
If we bring in a new OC, there will be a new learning curve, albeit less for Eli than for other QB’s. Also, how well will Eli and the new OC coordinate and cooperate?
Eli and Gilbride know each other and they’ve been successful together. So why change something that is far from broken.
We’re definitely nowhere close to the Jets situation, where they HAD to make changes at OC.
I'm not suggesting canning Gilbride
I’m suggesting a new red zone system. Maybe TC has input into each play call.
2012 mock (Manningham resigns) - 1: Janoris Jenkins CB / Chase Minnifield CB, 2: Kevin Zeitler LG / Ben Jones C-LG / Cordy Glenn LG-RT, 3: Keenan Robinson SAM, 4: Neiko Thorpe FS, 5: Vic Ballard RB / Brandon Bolden RB
(Manningham lost) - 1: Marvin McNutt WR, 2: Kevin Zeitler LG / Ben Jones C-LG / Cordy Glenn LG-RT, 3: Keith Tandy CB, 4: Neiko Thorpe FS, 5: Vic Ballard RB / Brandon Bolden RB
Also, with regards to red zone offense
In terms of their red zone scoring percentage (TD’s only), Giants are ranked 9th.
that call was redic. but i feel it fell on Eli to check out against that look
and maybe go with the boot leg to the right.
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Dream Scenario
Giants win the Superbowl and Fewell gets a head coaching job elsewhere.
I don’t give him any credit for the turnaround. I believe the changes were forced upon him.
who cares hes making the calls that are shutting down some really good Os
Its TCs job to make sure his coaches are coaching . And that he may have did.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
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and what? replace him with someone new?
who’s system isn’t a proven SB winner (your scenario would dictate this)?
Then the defense can run around looking lost, learning a new system that may or may not work as well as the one they are in?
Give me Radio all day long.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
Before i read the last paragraphs, i was ready to punch my computer screen.
Thank you for the article. Go Big Blue!
It was the injuries
Injuries combined with the third hardest schedule.
The fact is that the Giants suffered more injuries on defense than all but three teams in the last decade – the 0-16 Lions and a 6-win team whose coach was fired (forget what team, it’s in a Fan Post I made).
The fact is that Giants had the third toughest schedule this year. The only teams with tougher schedules won 2 and 4 games each.
Despite this, they won 9 games and the division and were only blown out of one game all year.
The only thing that changed is players got healthy in the nick of time.
by NYCNative on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Coughlin is only having success now because he is desperate
and he changed his ways out of desperation. Its worked, but only because he was forced to become a more emotionally positive coach. Good for him, but I still think he is forced into retirement next year. They want someone younger and with a moustache.
You think he's going to be forced into retirement next year?
….I think you are mistaking the Giants MO with the Jets’
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 16, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Because Coughlin is 65 years old, he won't get a 4 year extension
perhaps not even a 3 year extension. He retires on top after winning the SB like Vermeil. Coughlin’s been a tough guy that players disliked, but he begged Justin Tuck to play harder for him, and wore his heart on his sleeve. Jim Harbaugh is a coach that can be tough yet positive, and get players to buy in with 110% effort. I like Coughlin but even he admits that he has had to change his coaching style.
lolz
I hope they bring that big chinned douche in for an interview just to laugh in his face.
Coughlin retires when he wants.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
ummm no
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
What you've just said...
…is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
smh...Fewell shoulda had his feet to the fire
and if that is not blatantly obvious I don’t know what is.
these posts IMO are no better than the Lemming posts around here that actually call for these guys to get fired.
the fact is it’s not black and white, and that’s what we discuss around here and while we deal w/ homers and haters alike the majority of this place is not like that.
Fire Fewell
Thank you andi....
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
FIRE Perry Fewell
by bleedblue12 on Jan 16, 2012 11:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
bottom line
coughlin, like eli, is top 5 at what he does.
Even if we had lost the dallas game, it wouldn’t change who coughlin is and how he coaches.
If the Giants lost week 17, I would still say, re-sign coughlin, he’s a great coach and a rarity in the world today.
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 16, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions
this was coughlins game plan all season play like shit get everyone to believe we suck than kick every ones ass when it matters
Lol I thought this was going to be a comedy thread
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Is it possible that since this defense is healthy
That we are actually able to play the defense we should have been playing all season? I mean if the right pieces aren’t there and you have to rely on your backups too often you will get burned regardless. We finally have all the pieces in place and Fewell is getting them in the right position to exceed. Greg Jones, Herz, Sash, JWill, Spence and Amuk have all seen snaps on defense this season fellas. Thats six rookies. SIX!!! Regardless of the scheme rookies don’t learn the NFL in one season. How many rookies see time on the field now on defense? Mainly just JWill…just saying
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
This doesn't change a lot for me
I expected the Giants to be doing well so I don’t go overboard with praise for people doing their jobs. I’m appreciative and I know that there are no guarantees. Nonetheless, I have always been a Reese, Boley, and Canty fan. Reese has given the Giants plenty of talent and I blamed the coaches for the team’s failures.
I was adamant that if Coughlin didn’t win a playoff game, he should be fired. All that matters is the playoffs. Once you get in, make a run. He needed to win the home playoff game and he did. He can get his extension.
As for Fewell, early last season I said that Fewell was Bill Sheridan with better players and health. If Fewell had been given the same Sheridan treatment, he would’ve been fired last year and he wouldn’t have had an opportunity to make this turnaround. It took him almost two full seasons to finally realize that his complicated, zone scheme didn’t suit the Giants personnel. Don’t talk to me about the team being healthy because Sheridan had more key injuries in 2009. I’m grateful for the adjustment but I don’t give him credit for getting his head out of the sand after two off-seasons and 30 regular season games.
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"But even if they do that [win the NFC East], once they get into the playoffs, they're going to see teams such as the Saints and the Packers and the 49ers, who started them on their current losing streak. And when they come up against teams like that, they're not going to have enough to hang with them, and there's not going to be anything they can do. " -- Dan Graziano
Fewell should still go
I still want Fewell gone. he killed us all season ling and now that he is finally letting the kids actually play we way they are able, he has the gall to ask: well, what do you think of me now?. Well, I’ll tell ya coach: I think I want you replaced.
by smaugtheterrible on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions
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