Dee-Fense! How Different Is The Giants Defense This Time?
by Ed Valentine on Jan 13, 2012 12:14 PM EST
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PrintThe New York Giants have been asked all week about the improvements in their defensive play the past few weeks, and about whether or not they can continue their recent run of excellent play against Aaron Rodgers and the high-scoring offense of the defending Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers.
"I think we are playing a lot better, for whatever reasons, I don't know why. I think everybody seems to be coming together now," said Osi Umenyiora. "In the back end we are playing better now and in the front we are playing better. The calls are coming in better and we just seem to be playing better than we were back then."
"Early on, we were so up and down with the linebackers and secondary. One week one thing would hurt us and the next week it would be something else," said Michael Boley. "The last couple weeks, we brought things together, not really simplifying things but putting more emphasis on making sure everybody is on the same page."
Rodgers noted the improved discipline of the defense during his conference call earlier this week.
"When we played them they dropped a couple coverages, the touchdown to Donald, but they have been playing really sound with their defense," Rodgers said. "They are not just letting guys run free, they are in their rush lanes getting after the passer and they are making plays. They are tackling well and they are doing everything really well."
The Giants gave up an average of 385.1 yards and 24.6 points per game this season. In the last three weeks, those numbers are much better:
vs. New York Jets -- 331 yards, 14 points
vs. Dallas Cowboys -- 300 yards, 14 points
vs. Atlanta Falcons -- 247 yards, zero points
Mark Sanchez, Tony Romo and Matt Ryan are not, however, Aaron Rodgers. None of those quarterbacks has the weapons at their disposal Rodgers does, either. Can the Giants continue their run of oustanding defense against the Packers, the best offense the Giants have seen since, well, the last time they played the Packers? In that game, by the way, the Giants gave up 449 total yards and 31 points.
Boley knows what the Giants are up against.
"I am not going to say shut them down but I am going to say slow them down," Boley said. "I think that is the key for us just limiting the plays that they have on offense and hurting them on third downs, that is the thing that is going to help us the most."
Let's take a look at how the Giants defense is different than it was in that Week 13 meeting with Green Bay.
1. Health
Umenyiora did not play in that game as it was the first contest after he suffered a severe ankle sprain against the New Orleans Saints. Boley returned from a hamstring injury, but estimates he was only about 70 percent healthy, meaning rookie Jacquian Williams had to cover Green Bay tight end Jermichael Finley. Justin Tuck played, and registered five tackles and one sack, but is much healthier now. Injuries in the secondary forced spare cornerback Will Blackmon into the game in the final, decisive drive, and Blackmon was victimized by Rodgers and Jordy Nelson.
Improved health has revitalized the pass rush, improved the linebacker play and helped eliminate the communication breakdowns the Giants were experiencing.
The Giants hauled the middle linebacker off the scrap heap the week of the first Packers game when Mark Herzlich went down with an ankle injury from which he has not returned. Blackburn made his first start the following week against Dallas, and the Giants have not been able to get him out of the lineup since.
Fewell spoke about what the veteran Blackburn has meant to the defense.
"He brought credibility. He brought a voice that, like I can speak to Chase, Chase can speak to the defense, and we all spoke the same language," Fewell said. "We mis-interpret a couple things here and there, but everybody knew he was gonna get it right. And he was gonna work hard to get it right. So I think it settled us down a lot more. Instead of us being indecisive, we became decisive."
3. Improved Communication
Blackburn is part of that. The return to health of Boley, and to a lesser extent Umenyiora and Tuck, is part of that. Whether they want to admit it or not, simplified schemes is also part of that. There are fewer coverage audibles in the Giants secondary now than there were several weeks ago, thus fewer miscommunications and blown coverages. Plus, the talented but still-learning rookie Prince Amukamara has played much less and the veteran trio of Kenny Phillips, Antrel Rolle and Deon Grant has played together much more.
Conclusion
Justin Tuck summarized the confidence the Giants feel heading into Sunday with this remark:
"We didn't play our best game and I think that's encouraging to know that we hung in with the best team in the country and didn't come close to playing our best game. Our motto around here this week is to just go out there and play our best game and see what happens. I'm sure they're going to play a great game too, but we always felt around here that if we play our style of football and play our best game, we can play with anybody."
Can it all make a difference?
In the end it comes down to Tuck, Umenyiora, Jason Pierre-Paul and the rest of the defensive lineman getting into Rodgers face and disrupting what Green Bay wants to do. Whether the Giants can or not remains to be seen. You have to believe, though, they have a better shot at it than they did the first time around.
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I kinda want to get a Number 93 Jersey
I loved him before, mad that we cut him, and now beyond elated that he is back and is now a stud. I think he just earned himself a contract extension!
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
+93
his old number was 57 right? The new holder of said number…JWill, might be a future jersey investment for me.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
it is for me...
that kid is gonna be a beast…
JPP + JWill = Team USF!
Keep the tradition going, in 2007 we had another USF grad play for the Giants = Kawika Mitchell…
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
I meant to ask you in the 2012 draft preview
anyone looking good from South Florida in April, especially a late round/project type guy?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not really, there is a lineman, but he will most likely go in later rounds if at all.
I havent seen the list of guys deciding to the enter the draft. So I cant comment outside of that
Next year though… Next year is a whole other story… We got some fast 6’2+ WRs that would be great if B.J. Daniels could get the ball to them. Also we have Scott, the #1 rated high school RB that went to Colorado and then transferred to USF. He is a Mini Jacobs, straight up beast!
its also hard to judge our defense because our D.C. thinks he is the understudy to P.F., where Turnovers are valued more than actually stopping the other team.
so summing up this year “no”, next year “oh hells yes”
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
cool, thanks
I don’t like talking draft with our team still playing… but I was wondering since JJP is a beast and JWill is very good so far.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I love this
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lets hope it is not D Fail
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Packers.
What scares you is you can play a perfect game, and it still might not be enough. Heres to hopin we shock the world!!!!
by weejer on Jan 13, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This defense is playing way better than the last time they played us...
Obviously Rodgers has taken note of that and is expecting a tough game..The last game wasn’t exactly a blowout…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I am thinking
if JWill gets his fingers to touch the ball, the game goes to overtime.. If we get the ball first, we win.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
it was so close
JWill just missing it
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
probably.
They couldn’t stop us last time and they wont be able to stop us this time.
Add in the fact that our defense is much better than theirs and I now am expecting a win.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would guess GB does lots of short passes and then a play action or stop/go
We have to be prepared for this, hope Radio is listening.
Have some surprises of our own ready, somethings they do not expect.
On O, I don’t expect anything too different from KG. We need to execute. Period. Our O is better than their D, use it to our advantage.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
TC, TQ, PF, KG, DD and KMac Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions
Catch the ball
our wr’s are talented enough to do something with it… as long as they catch the ball.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
That may be one strategy they deploy...
They are going to call plays that will take advantage of Rodgers quick release..He can’t be hanging back there with the heat coming at him..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Only at the beginning.
If we can get a 10-14 point lead, they won’t be able to afford to throw quick screens, slants, RB swing passes that get the ball out quick. They will be forced to try and get the ball down field, which plays into our hands, Rodgers will have to take a 5-7 step drop, and that gives the pass rush the time they need. Getting out to a lead early may be the most important thing in this game.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Jan 13, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is kinda like when Osi told Stray b4 the Super Bowl
IF WE DO NOT GET TO ARRON RODGERS THIS GAME…….WE WILL LOSEEEEE, “okay Osi”. No No No you don’t understand me, IF WE DON’T GET TO HIM WEEEEE ARE GOINGGGG TO LOOSEEEEEE
by AHoustonGiant on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
C-Web
On a corner blitz for a sack, knocks ball from Rodgers, lands in JPP’s hands, takes it to the house for six. Just a nice thought.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Or has a little speed
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
i honestly can't remember the last time i saw Webster blitz...
….it’s literally been YEARS
Fire Fewell
Hmm
Maybe it will work then! Do something no one, including Webster himself, would expect?
by Midnight Blue on Jan 13, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
The unexpected works everytime!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha i want a shark blimp
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
LOL
Tony Romo, Michael Vick, and Rex Grossman are down with JPP
Die hard Giants fan since I was 4
J-E-T-S Just-End-The-Season
by JasonPierrePwned on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone but Herzlich
practicing today, very good news
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM EST reply actions
Outstanding news
Sounds like nearly everyone is all in…
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm ALL IN!
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
What was Herz's injury that he's basically missed the entire second half of the season?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No one had the weapons Rodgers does???
I thought the Cowboys’ Austin/Robinson/Bryant/Witten was the best receiving combo ever???
Or was that the White/Jones/Gonzalez????
I have noticed a theme with the Giants this year. Every game we win, its because the other team lost, every game we loose its because it shows our true colors as a sucky team. With every matchup we face, theirs are always better than ours.
I will say this, Rogers will have a very hard time completing passes with his back on the ground. which IMO, is the kryptonite for a high flying passing attack.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
ESPN Radio
just said that about the WR combos the Giants have faced. But this is the best passing attack they have faced so far.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
best hashtag ever
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Jan 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Great article. My favorite one this week
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
by tommy d. on Jan 13, 2012 12:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Something I love hearing...
I love hearing that the Packers are practicing indoors because it’s too cold outside, while the Giants receivers are vowing not to wear sleeves for the game.
It reminds me of 2007 when you saw the Packers coach all bundled up nicely on the sidelines while Tom Coughlin was all red-faced and ornery on the Giants sideline.
I hope the results turn out the same as they did last time.
1) Fewell
2) Healthy Boley and Tuck
Honorable Mention: Blackburn
IMO….that’s it folks.
communication can be attributed to Fewell’s adjustments. (frankly i always saw them communication on busted plays or games where they got roasted)
Fire Fewell
…where they got roasted barbecued.
Fixed.
Now, lets hope it doesn’t happen this Sunday.
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Jan 13, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I just have a tough time giving any credit to PF at this late date.
It’s kind of like hailing an arsonist as a hero for putting out the fire …
I killed the guy all year....
the D is playing better now. it’s due to him.
If he gets the criticism, he also gets the Credit.
I believe he made a change and that is the main reason the players responded.
Fire Fewell
shame of it is...
maybe….just maybe, had he made the change sooner we’d be hosting NO or SF here in NY and not going out to GB
Fire Fewell
somebody wrote a comment
on how winning something like 4 more games still landed us on the road this week.
Radio took a lot of heat this season, and I still say most, not all, of it was due to the constantly changing cast of characters that he had to incorportate onto the field.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
that was me
if they won the 4 “easy” games they lost (WAS (2), PHILI, SEA) they finish 13-3. But they lose the tie breakers to NO and SF.. still the 4 seed.
Now if they won the GB or SF games….. thats a different story.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm being stubborn ...
but it just seems like he broke it and was even more stubborn than me in not recognizing/admitting what was wrong, and just took way too long to fix it to get much props now.
I think my real fear is next year he’ll try and go back to more “read and react” and soft coverage over pressure, and we’ll have to go through this whole thing again. I just think he’s a Tampa 2 believer and always will be.
I"m right there with you....
and yes “he broke it” to begin with.
and maybe someone put a gun to his head to fix it….but he did.
but “fix” is a tricky word….
Fire Fewell
How about this?
How about all these big name defensive players and talent we got finally started playing up to their billing? I’ve always felt our D should be among the bests, and if you go position for position, blah blah blah…but maybe it all finally snapped into place, and we took some of the good we did from last year and added it to the minuscule amount of good we’ve done this year, eliminated some mistakes and are finally playing up to their paychecks. Sounds like a possibility.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
by wilddre22 on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i'm not discounting the fact that players have stepped up
it’s just my opinion that players have also been used better and more effectively and it’s my opinion that his defense in recent weeks has been designed to put more pressure on the QB as opposed to dropping back into coverage.
I also know for a fact (after D. Grants’ comments) that the scheme on the backend has been changed. It’s no longer as complicated in terms of having 4 different checks, it’s like 1 check now.
so yes, while i credit Tuck’s reappearance to the success of the D. And Boley being 100%, and even the contributions from Chase….
I think that scheme trumps them all.
and ultimately, even though I’ve shat on him multiple times for his excessive zone, OFF and Soft with the corners, and 3 man rushes, I’m naming him as the #1 Reason as to why we’re better on D.
but do i think that maybe things just clicked and poor fewell was a victim of injury and players not being familiar w/ one another. NO.
Fire Fewell
I agree with this
The DB checks having changed is absolutely obvious, 3 games, no headless chicken dance, blown coverages reduced by at least 75%.
There is more, but it’s patently obvious just from the comments. No one wants to talk about it.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Grant said as much
"He went back to the old ways. He solidified: ‘Regardless of they give us A, B, C or D, this is what we’re doing,’ " safety Deon Grant said on Monday. "Before, trying to protect certain people or whatever the case may be, we had a different call for A, a different call for B and so on.
Hey Maybe some aspect of the Defense “just clicked”….but to say that Fewell had no hand in changing things….crazy talk.
Fire Fewell
I dunno about all that
It takes alot of film study to figure out where the problems are. A d each week it was a different story. Perry read most of the book and didn’t like the ending so he rewrote the script that would get us back to aggressive defense.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Should say and not A d...
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
I concur
if he got the criticisim he gets the credit, regardless of who forced him to do it…
Actually he reminds me of KG… when forced to run the ball, he calls a great game.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Your defense plays well for a few weeks
and he starts wearing sunglasses indoors.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
Giant fans will have peace through....
Its going down!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions
whats it going down like?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
the F&*()ing Catalina Wine Mixer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Boom
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
That's what she said...
"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"
by Larry Soprano on Jan 13, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
"it"? Do tell...
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Must be Latin
I only know Greek
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
these are club jerseys
made after the movie black swan. natalie portman and mila kinis have a sex scene, hence the interlocking scissors.
hahaha, niceeee
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
brilliant
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Ah, missed that one.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
haha, had to do it
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
You sir, have talent
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
That is just insane!
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
he now
I see what you did there… I am one of the few Ross supporters here… and I do not approve…
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
And lets keep it that way
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
TC said a slogan for the team this week has been
Keep the dream alive. Wait, when did they become the Eagles?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions
well, since the dream team is out
someone has to pick up the slack and become the new dream team….and it can’t be tebow.
rules made up and approved by jcalafiore.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
its on the internet now
so its FACT
Team TAWD:
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
damn straight!
just gonna wait a couple days for my block quotes…
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Dreaming can be dangerous to your health
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
that is one of my favorites of all time
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Mad dogs baby!!!!..gotta play like Mad dogs!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I'm glad we have all hands on deck
but feel bad for Herzlich. You know it’s killing him not being able to play. The kid is an animal with a big heart. Let’s just hope we have a couple more games in us, that he can participate too.
Your my Boy Blue!!!!!
men
Blackburn’s been great in his role. I usually aren’t a fan of having guys just for veteran leadership but it’s obvious that with him there’s been less confusion. Don’t fix what ain’t broke. Herzlich will have a chance to prove he belongs on a team.
by The Cole Train on Jan 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I eman the playoffs isn't a time
to test a UDFA
by The Cole Train on Jan 13, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
He plays really well on special teams.
Even though Blackburn was a special teams demon, I see no reason to risk playing Blackburn on special teams.
Your my Boy Blue!!!!!
Well I hear what your saying, but it is all hands on deck now...
There’s nothing to preserve..If you hold guys out..you lose…and packing up for the season..Everybody has to wear their heart on their sleeve..and leave it all on the field..Each game from here on out is the last chance saloon…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
You betcha!!!..lol
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
the one in the middle is even grabbing a little azz
by oldschoolblue64 on Jan 13, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's hot right there
The Possimpible - Where the possible and impossible meet - Barney Stinson
Big Blue View - Supporting the Catalina Wine Mixer since 2011
You can't just snap up Titos wenches like that bro
You gotta ask permission…but where has he been..
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
the one in the middle looks like a robot
a la “stepford wives”
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Jan 13, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Love the sig
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
We've been at the saloon
For a few weeks now. The guy behind the bar has been trying to kick us out, some dude in the corner is smart eyeing us, waiting for us to stumble. The ladies of the night have used every line in the book to see if we need a date… and yet we just sit there bellying up to the bar, slamming down beer after beer.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
NIIIICCCCCE
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
No more score predictions...
Prince Amukamara
played just about every snap in the second half on Sunday. He did a really good job too.
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
Its amazing what happens
when you let guys play the way they were drafted to play…..
Don't know why the defense is playing better?
Gee Radio, maybe it has something to do with the fact that you stopped confusing the D, rushing 3 on 3rd down and dropping Lineman into coverage. HMMMM. Just maybe!
Your my Boy Blue!!!!!
I was just writing the same thing
Against GB, Sports Center had a highlight of Rodgers looking off one of our guys in coverage in the red zone…. it was Tuck, dropped back into that Tampa 2 LB/Safety spot. Of course we have been keeping it simple. I cant believe they are saying anything else. I dont mind shuffling the line. It worked good last week switching JPP and Tuck because ATL is a left handed running team. We can get pressure with 4… lets just do it. No sense in dropping a DE into zone. Rodgers will pick us apart (see game winning drive last week)
May Doug Marrone bless you and keep you.
shuffling the line
seems to work really well on the stunts that tuck and osi run. I saw a couple of them in the past couple weeks and they led to some hurries and a sack (that I remember).
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
the simple is going with a base 4 man rush
before it was a base 3 man rush and everyone knew it, so every team took the chance with a 5 step dropback because more often than not, we were sending 3.
it really is simple.. its not the plays, its when and where you use them.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
They were not winning up front so he tried to put it on the coverage.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
he didnt even try to win up front. He didnt game plan for winning at the line.
He sent 3 a majority of the time. Didnt even form a game plan around brining pressure. His game plan revolved around an Umbrella zone geared to reading and reacting to GB in order to help maximize the offenses mistakes. The biggest deal with that, is that even if you execute it perfectly, you are one step behind. Always…. To my memory GB only commited one mistake but that was then….
180 degree difference now. In the last 3 games, there has been more pressure sent, more 4 man rushes than the previous 14 games combined… We have went from a Read and React to an aggressive dictating defense. That is what kind of players JR brings into this team. P.F. (IMO) was “politely” reminded by T.C. and his players, to trust the team and trust the decisions JR has made.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Cuz Fewell is a Dbacks guy.
He was a DB coach before a defensive coordinator, so his philosophy was to win with a secondary that can bait the Qb and get picks. That’s not our defense. Our defense is built on smacking you in the mouth, and pressuring the QB with the pass rush. He finally stopped trying to do it his way, and let the players play the way they are meant to, and how our defense was built to play. Just a shame he was stubborn for so long.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
What does that have to do with individual play up front, man to man?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
LMAO Cmon now Ski
He didnt game plan for winning at the line, really?? were they winning with four in the middle of the season besides JPP? smh
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
He didnt game plan for the line
he game planned to protect the rookies in the middle. He game planned to have the front 4 be all he was trying to send. He even game planned to have Dline go back into coverage… He didnt game plan to rush the QB. He expected the front 4 just to do that. Which is easily combated by keeping in extra lineman… which is what every team and their mother did. That is why Charlie Whitehurst threw for 350 yards against us. They knew we were going to play off, and they only had to max protect.
I know P.F. didnt call a 3 man rush most of the time. That is not his style. I was only on P.F. because the players we have on this team, are built to attack. He was having all of our players back off. Cut me some slack. I like P.F. I just thought he was outsmarting himself and going back to what he was used too.
He just didnt understand our personnel.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
oh and the JPP at Nose
Even I know that is the worst idea ever conceived of by human kind.
Especially with the “protect” scheme he was running.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
He did not send 3 a majority of the time, wow, really?
And even the teams we have been playing have been saying they arent really doing anything that different.
Its called getting healthy and when did Chase return? see a corelation with us getting back on track?
You guys love the 3 man talk but in reality it was a lot deeper than that.
Just easy to point at that so people do it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Who exactly is 100% healthy??..Please I need to know..
What happened?…The healthy genie show up?…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
well to be fair Tuck is playing much better
He may not be 100% but it has had a major impact of the defense
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
That had absolutely nothing to do with it really
Because thats still happening but since its working, you dont even notice it.
He has stopped using it exclusively on 3rd down but thats because the rush guys are winning up front and there arent so many rookies on the field and people are HEALTHY.
Alot more to it than just pointing fingers at Fewell. Honestly.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
There is difference between
Rushing 4 and going into a 3 man rush… than Rushing 3 and going into a 4 man rush.
P.F. figured that out and all of a sudden (boom) = Giants defense that keeps getting better every week.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
To your point
Theyre lining up differently. Giving lots of 5 and 6 man looks at the LOS, always should have been a strength as our front 7 can get after the passer, so why not make them think aout who’s coming
If they are doing the same thing, it’s really on the players, cause then they screwed up every play
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We are a much more complete team than we were last time we played.
But, the GB receivers helped us out with several drops last time. All dropped passes are not equal though. I think some of those drops were due to pressure on AR making him throw before the receiver was ready. If we can get to him early and often, and have our corners playing press at the line, we might be able to keep them out of rhythm.
If that happens, we win.
Team Win Ugly.
ESPN = Everyone Spewing Putrid Nonsense
Tried to tell you guys, nothing was simplified and its the same exact scheme as earlier in the year.
Just had to come together in a sense.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
No it's not..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
They are still using 11 men
And usually 4 DL
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
You know what I'm talking about..I'm not getting into it..
This defense reeled things in..They don’t have safeties out there covering from the endzone..They’ve tightened up coverage and they are rushing more…They aren’t sending the D-line into coverage..this is a defense that has been re-invented..or re-structured just in time…Same basic scheme, but simplified..They are letting these guys play their game..No one will convince me any different..Don’t tell me they didn’t change some things…for the better..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
2 things
No more madness per snap, don’t tell me they all got smart the same week
Look at the comments, every up has a different story and everyone supports PF. I think it’s a holler back to the leadership council. The Vet DBs met with him and I bet TC too, they took the players advice, but the deal is WE ARE FAMILY, no talk under cutting the DC.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Got smart??
Sure…. especially now with a Mike backer who knows every call and can adjust, yes you basically can say they got smart the same week, you act like it wasnt chaotic up until Chase came back, no real surprise. Imagine if Goff never got hurt when he did.
Sometimes it just takes one or two things. A smart mike who knows the system because its the same as last year, nothing different and some of out BEST PLAYERS are healthy now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
The safeties were in no mans land because the pressurewasnt getting there
When no one is winning up front you have to play it safe.
And they damn sure do send D linmen into coverage still, you kinda have to.
If every player to a man is saying it wasnt simplified and all the coaches say the same thing even the opposing coaches say its the same thing then thats on you to not believe it.
He changed very little, i dont even consider it a change, just seems like people got healthy and are cofident in themselves and eachother now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Say what you want..I don't care..Playing safe?!?..Hahaha!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Well that worked out well didn't it?
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
its the same plays
Called differently = simplified.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Not Simplified
Simply Gelling now
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Gelling = simplified
It all starts with the game plan. Run the plays your defense is used to running = simpler to understand because they know it = leads to gelling…
use that and then add the quirks and adjustments every week…. P.F. just did it backwards.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Just give it up
Blue Gates will argue about PF for life in order to save face because he used injuries as an excuse. Opponents, the players, and everyone with eyes sees the d is different and has said so. Blue Gates will never concede this fact.
FIRE Perry Fewell
by bleedblue12 on Jan 13, 2012 9:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think PF reads BBV
and 400k posts or so about rushing only 3 finally sunk in.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions
Or maybe we got healthy and more cohesive and sound regardless of what the call is.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Bringing guys up to speed
Getting Jacquain up to speed.
Getting Joseph up to speed.
Getting Ross to play a starters role.
Getting Rolle back to a position that he’s comfortable with.
Getting someone to step up and fill the responsibilities of a MLB.
Getting a healthy Dline to apply the pressure they need.
All of this and some other scenario’s that none of us know about or have forgotten about have slowed the progress of this defense noticably. The adjustments Radio, Coughlin, and even Cap’n Crunch have made throughout the year to compensate for the lack of stability, would be enough to force anyone into the occasional miscommunication.
But, they got through it. They got to this point with by bringing players along all season. Whether it be Williams just learning the NFL, or Rolle learning that Coughlin is actually on his side, as well as how to play CB again, the fact that is they got through it all. Now they are a stable unit. Guys know their roles, and their assignments form play to play. This should help to make them a stronger defense moving forward.
If nothing else they should all know what mistakes not to make, because it seems like they made them all in the regular season.
You down wit JPP?
I got 99 problems but a Vick ain't one!
I agree that PF could be a bit more circomspect in his assessment of why the defense improved. However,
if you read comments by Boley, Osi, Rolle, and Tuck. Improvement came from a lot of reasons. The scheme was not “simplified”.
“Early on, we were so up and down with the linebackers and secondary. One week one thing would hurt us and the next week it would be something else,” said Michael Boley. “The last couple weeks, we brought things together, not really simplifying things but putting more emphasis on making sure everybody is on the same page.”
Maybe they are just backing their coach, either way it is good news for the unit.
I think they are trying to not throw PF under the bus.
They already said they eliminating hand signals for the secondary and calls are getting in faster to Blackburn. I’d say that’s simplifying things. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.
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The Big X-Factor...
The officiating. Will the refs call a straight game? I’ve seen people predicting a 2 TD victory for Green Bay, but as far as I’m concerned, the Refs were DIRECTLY responsible for a 14pt swing last time.
1) The Ballard TD that wasn’t
2) The phantom holding call on J-Will when Finley (who wasn’t even involved in the play) ran into him and pushed off. That negated a drive killing sack (by JPP, IIRC) and a couple plays later led to a TD.
The refs call 1 of those correctly, and Giants win by 4. Both of them correctly and Giants win by 11.
I hope Ballard scores 14 on them and J-Will has a pick-6.
if you include #2
then its a 21 point swing… you forgot the TD by Jennings that wasnt a TD.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
so much Ref-derp in that game...
Corrected Final Score: Giants 42 Packers 21.
by Raptor22 on Jan 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but remember what happens to the Kracken
by Maryland Fan on Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
That is how I remember it
Remember this is the Krackens end… JPP is at his beginning if you will.
Regardless of what happens, No playoffs, playoffs, no superblow, superblow.... The 2011/2012 is one of my favorite Giants Teams of all time.
Haha!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
When that kid starts walking..it's of to Hair Club for Kids..haha
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I want our defense to play like a pack of 'Honey Badgers'...
These are animals known for their ferocity..Honey Badgers don’t give a flying shit..they take what ever they want..They fear nothing…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Haha..not anymore...Geez
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
This is a post from the website badass of the week
They love the honey badger and they have a couple cool videos
They might need to name the Giants Defense as badasses of the week after Sunday.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
You talking to me?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Jan 13, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Haha...Yep that's them..Kick ass and take whatever they want..No fear..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
You see badgers on the weirdest stuff around here
Everything around Madison has a damned Badger on it. That damned Bucky Badger is a creepy mofo.
"Sometimes it doesn’t work out the way you want it to work out, but we play the hand we’re dealt and we’ll win with it." -- Giants GM Jerry Reese
In Reese I trust.
by GiantFanInPackerLand on Jan 13, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well the college team is the Badgers
But you live up there and probably know that
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
In the words of the late Al Davis
Just win baby. I don’t care how we do it, but let’s get if done!
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Win Ugly.
-Eli Manning for MVP
Refs
Yeah that TD they gave Jennings in the first game still bugs me. It was reviewed and left alone. What are the heck are these idots looking at?
I'm the pessimist
Because I just can’t shake the feeling that the team is going to go out and stink up the joint. I don’t worry about the offense, I just see this turning into a blowout early.
I hope I’m wrong, but man, I can’t stop thinking it’s going to be a long night in Wisconsin.
"Sometimes it doesn’t work out the way you want it to work out, but we play the hand we’re dealt and we’ll win with it." -- Giants GM Jerry Reese
In Reese I trust.
by GiantFanInPackerLand on Jan 13, 2012 3:49 PM EST reply actions
You sure you're not a PackerfaninPackerland? lol, just kidding.
Hey, no one, and I mean no one, thought we’d make it this far, so who knows, anything can happen. Most of us probably thought we didn’t stand a chance to beat the Pats in 07.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
"SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!"
"Eli. Your the money QB start with your leadership skiols which are laclkoing."
by ManningHam and Cheese on Jan 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Nah..come Monday morning your going to steam in your strides, brother..
You won’t even need to wear a coat…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Here are the keys to the game
1A/1B: Pass Rush/Jamming the Line of Scrimmage: I think there are two main keys for the Giants here if they are going to successful against the Packers. 1A) the pass rush needs to create constant pressure on Rogers coupled with 1B) the linebackers and safeties need to jam the receivers at the line of scrimmage. This is VERY IMPORTANT. In order to stall Rogers you need to throw off his quick release and timing.
2) Batter Rogers and knock him out: The Giants need to hit him hard, early, and often. Remember the intensity from the Bears game last year. Be relentless! Knock out Rogers, Flynn, Favre, the hotdog guy, whomever.
3) Set the tempo early and score first: The Packers are going to come out on an emotional high because of the unfortunate events of the last week. The Giants need to withstand the early emotional outburst and take both the Packers and the crowd out of the game.
4) Minimize mistakes: Win the turnover battle. The team who commits less penalties and turnovers will have an excellent shot at winning the game.
5) Offensive line/Ballard/Pascoe/Ballard/Hynoski: Do yourselves a favor. Lock yourselves in a room together, do a Google search, and get pissed off. Use comments from people such as BJ Raji to fuel you. You guys need to get mean, pissed off, and kick some ass. Put Matthews on his ass. Truck people!
6) Possess the ball last: Whether it is a blowout or a nail-biter, possess the ball last and finish out the game
7) The next 72 hours: Confidence is good, arrogance is bad. Operate as one cohesive unit and finish this thing.
That’s it!
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Jan 13, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions
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