Jonathan Goff Injury: How Big Of A Loss To The Giants?
by Ed Valentine on Sep 7, 2011 8:46 AM EDT
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Just how big of a loss to the New York Giants defense is middle linebacker Jonathan Goff's season-ending torn ACL? The Big Blue View community seems to be split on that question.
Here are some of the comments that have been posted since the news of Goff's injury became public on Tuesday.
Reality check
We’re not exactly replacing a pro-bowl LB with Jones. Goff was a middling (pun intended) MLB. I think it will be hard to notice a significant drop off. Of course, mistakes in coverage can be very costly, but we’ll see soon enough.
-- TheGifford
Goff
was a far-from-middling run stopping LB.Plus he ran the defense on the field. Make no mistake, he will be greatly missed.
-- Bigbluethruandthru
He's the single most underrated, underappreciated player on this team.
If he had Antonio Pierce’s swagger and demeanor (instead of just being a guy who goes and does his job), everyone would love him and rave about him.
It’s kind of a shame that he gets so easily overlooked. He’s one of the best run stoppers in the game.
-- Jonathan
Which side do I come down on? I love the potential of Greg Jones, and I think there is a strong chance that -- as the Giants did this year with Barry Cofield -- they might have allowed Goff to leave after this season and given Jones the job in 2012, but this is a HUGE loss for the 2011 Giants' defense.
The Pro Football Focus numbers show that Goff was a top 10 run defender among middle linebackers in 2010 (+14.5). That is a better grade than Brian Urlacher, Stephen Tulloch, Ray Lewis, London Fletcher-Baker, Karlos Dansby and Paul Posluszny, among others. His pass defense was not good (-2.9), but Goff's primary job in Perry Fewell's defense is to be a run-stuffer and to call the defense. He does both very well.
With this being Goff's second season as a starter, and second season calling Perry Fewell's defense, I was looking for him to take a huge step forward this season.
This is what linebackers coach Jim Herrmann said about Goff during training camp.
"I think he really worked hard on his movement skills, quickness, agility. You can see it out here. He's made several big plays when maybe a year ago he might have just gotten there. Now, he's there. That's the flash that you want," Herrmann said. "I think every year that I've been with Jon, he's gotten better and better and better, and this year is the same. He's gotten better. He feels comfortable. He's a leader out there. That's what I like."
Goff played 700 snaps last season, and many other top linebackers played 900 or more. Fewell had indicated during training camp that Goff would not come off the field as often in 2011 on passing downs.So, yes, his role and importance to the defense were expected to grow.
Can Greg Jones fill his shoes? How do we know? The Giants were fortunate to find Jones still available in the sixth round of the 2011 NFL Draft, and we know that during preseason he showed that he can be an impact player on special teams and flashed potential as a linebacker.
To expect Jones to be able to step right in is asking an awful lot. Remember, talented or not there is no way Jones can understand the defense -- and his responsibilities in it -- as well as Goff. Especially without OTAs or mini-camps.
What can Kawika Mitchell do if the Giants bring him in? Again, how do we know? The guy knows Fewell's defense from his Buffalo days, but he has played six NFL games in two years and he has had knee and foot injuries. What does he have left in the tank and how many hits will it take before he is hurt again? Nobody knows.
So, yes, the loss of Goff is a big one for the Giants. To think it isn't is simply being unrealistic.
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Huge loss.
I think he was set for a big, big year. He got better and better last year and you constantly heard his name mentioned when he was on the field.
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Agree
Why do we keep losing guys that are about to have their big moment in their careers? KP and T2 were also both set up to have their big breakout years when they blew their knee out. Maybe Goff wasn’t in their class, but now we’ll never know. By the time he gets back to 100% in a year (and maybe two for some guys) the Giants will have found a new MLB either from our rookie class or outside the organization next year. A real shame for a hard working player. I hope he makes a full recovery and salvages his career.
Go Giants!
+1
I was curious to see how Goff Would take advantage of this opportunity. He wasn’t 1 of the more capable middle linebackers but he was always involve in plays when we needed to be. Sure I wanted to see mitchell back with the giants but not like this.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kenny Phillips??????????????????
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't say Huge loss
We will not know until the season is underway or over. He was a really good run-stopper. It is only a huge loss if Jones is a terrible run stopper (which I’m guessing he won’t be), and if Mitchell is only a shadow of his former self (which I seem to remember that he was pretty good when we had him – and he is still familiar with our/PF’s defense). I also seem to remember (I might be wrong) that one of safeties used to call the defense. Are there not other veterans out there who can take over that responsibility? I completely understand the value and importance of experience. But for the last several years, all anybody could talk about is how terrible the Giants LBs are. Now one is gone for the season and it’s like we just lost Harry Carson. And he is being replaced by somebody who is likely stronger and faster and super hungry to succeed. The point was also made that he was expected to be on the field for more passing downs this season. If he was bad in pass coverage, which the stats show, wouldn’t that be a negative? The faster Jones may be an upgrade in that regard. One final note. It might have been Ed who previously made this statement, but I know it was stated that PF’s defense relies on the DL and the DBs mostly. The D does not center around the LBs. So how does losing a mediocre LB in a system that does not feature LBs HUGELY (if that’s a word) hurt the defense?
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
And, this is not...
like C.C. Brown taking over at safety for us. All these rookie LBs made the team for a reason. They are better than what we had. Jones was probably going to challenge Goff for the starting job next year anyway. By the time we hit the meat of our schedule, he’ll have half a season of starting experience under his belt. He’ll be fine. Everybody hates TCs stubborn ways of never playing young guys. Then when we’re forced to play young guys, everybody is crapping in their pants. Other teams play young guys all the time and discover they have gems. Look what happened when DJax and Maclin were forced into the starting roles as rookies with the Eagles due to injury. Instant stars. And everybody’s reaction will be “they were high round picks”. But Jones was rated as a high round pick. He just slipped in the draft for other reasons.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't stop arguing
with myself. In case anybody forgot how bad our LBs were perceived to be… we had to take a very promising and talented DE who has a career threatening neck problem and install him as one of our starting LBs. End of discussion.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats can also Lie
Just because Goff rated better at run stopping than guys like Ray Lewis and Urlacher does not mean he is either a better LB or even a better run stopper. All things are not even. Giants have, by all accounts, one of the best D-lines in the league. Any competent LB should do well playing behind a line like that.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i traded him in my madden franchise for a TE... if that matters to anyone
and then signed Lofa Tatupu
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 7, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions
Goff sucks in Madden haha
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Actually no he doesn't, 90 in tackle and 90 somethin in hit power
Solid takler…..i.e. solid run stopper……
I said it before and I'll say it again.
We’ll miss his ability to call the D more than his physical abilities.
Boley knows how to call the D
he did it 2 seasons ago when Goff was still a backup. Don’t think that’s the biggest thing we’ll miss, Boley can easily do that.
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"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Huge loss. No doubt.
I am a Goff fan, and I will miss his presence this year. I will not dispute that he was a key cog to this Defense.
But, I am an optimist. I won’t apologize for it.
I see this as a great opportunity for Jones. They are probably going to keep the training wheels on him, limit his snaps, and not ask much out of him. I expect to see a lot of 3 safety sets. If Kawika is signed and is indeed in game shape, he might steal some snaps from Jones.
Jones has a few things going for him though:
1) Despite the shortened offseason, he had a great camp. He leapfrogged veterans and based on his practices, classroom time, and play during games, he earned the #2 MLB spot. He was given a handicapped opportunity and took advantage of it. Now, due to an unfortunate circumstance, he has another opportunity.
2) Unlike guys of his draft class that are being asked to start this week (Matthews, Foster), Jones had the benefit of spending the last month behind Goff. Don’t think he was able to learn something from him? Don’t think that Goff will still be involved?
3) He is surrounded by an extremely talented and veteran Defense. I’m under the belief that they will elevate his play.
So there you have it…my positive spin. It sucks that they lost Goff, but the next guy has to step up. That’s what good teams do, they have guys that are able to step up and make big plays when given the opportunity. Everybody is still 0-0. I can’t wait to see how this team responds.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 7, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same way
It’s a bigger loss than some people think. But as TC always points out, these injuries are a huge opportunity for the next guy to prove himself. Maybe Jones makes up for the inexperience with enthusiasm and hard work. but it’s asking an awful lot from a rookie.
I’ve been pretty annoyed at some of the bridge jumpers on this site before the first snap, but this injury has me wondering if we are in for another year of playing guys off the street at some point in the season the way things are going so far. I’m not a Mets fan, so this string of just awful injury luck for my team is new territory for me. I can’t ever remember losing so many potentially really good players in a two or three year span in all my tears of watching the Giants, and I go all the way back to the 60’s.
Go Giants!
I agree...
I remember when Shockey went down with a season-ending injury back in ‘07 for us, and there were a lot of Giants fans who thought it would be devastating to our offense. We know now that it only made the offense gel even more, and it loosened up Eli. We all remember the result of that season, so who knows, there could be a silver lining in this thing…let’s at least hope.
We're screwed
I like Jones but a rookie at MLB worries me to death
this season is fricking cursed.
Well, lets keep the chin up, eh fellas? We still have our D-Line, O-Line, backs, Nicks/Ham, Eli, and I think that Ross and Webster will be solid at the corners if we remain healthy
No one knows how big a loss this will be.
IMO, he may be easier to replace than someone else going down. I think playing the run as a LB is much easier than playing the pass (it comes more natural). If Jones can step in and be an adequate run stopper, Goff’s injury won’t be felt as much. From what we’ve seen, Jones appears to be up to the task, and I think he’s probably even a little better than Goff in pass coverage, certainly a better athlete. If Jones can help keep our run defense stout, and he proves that he deserves to be out there, at the least, Goff will, if you like it or not, become an after thought. Not a forgotten man all together, but people will certainly forget about Goff this season if Jones is able to play well. It all depends on Jones how much the Giants feel this injury. Does he play well, like he’s been showing he will do, and make the loss of Goff not as significant. Or does he struggle as a rookie, and make the loss of Goff a big one. Time will tell.
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Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
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Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
Jones will be very good BUT
this year the opposing teams will pull every trick in the book on him. He is a rookie and the play actions, etc will be difficult for him to recognize at first. He is very over anxious and it will take time for him to calm down and use his head.
Not dire but we will have to be patient. It will be a very volatile year overall.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
It's not like he hasn't seen play action before.
Him learning an NFL defense has nothing to do with him being aware of play actions. That’s simple instincts and the ability to recognize and dissect a play. That’s all mental stuff that he either has, or he doesn’t. He showed a good head for that kind of stuff in preseason, so we’ll see if he keeps it up.
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Da'Rel Scott
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"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course this is the big time
but it is not exactly like this guy, Jones, came from a crappy conference.
He has VERY good instincts and being tricked is going to be a probability but I don’t think it will happen more than once.
Also, we all are forgetting one HUGE thing……..although Goff is a big loss and I personally am quite upset about it because of he as a player and a person, but it is one player. We did not exactly have great LB’s last year and although we lost the leader of the defense for playcalling, there are 10 others out there.
Because it is the big league, the pros out there will step up or be replaced.
I think we have to adjust of course, but it is not dire.
Jones
is a big boy (actually a tad heavier than goff) and the plain truth is, he’s our guy. you can be sure his head is spinning right now, and i bet boley calls in the plays on sunday. but he has to be the guy.. check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nzgExJQqjxM
Goff's a bigger presence, dont be fooled
Goff is the guy.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
yeah?
what’s so great about this highlight? I know it’s only one game, but he was soft at the point of attack and took poor angles. The only good thing I saw was his pass rush, which doesn’t matter at all for a 4-3 middle linebacker.
you're right
he sucks. we should give up
dude chilll out I'm just basing it on this highlight only
The fact that greg jones played poorly against Wisconsin does not doom the 2011 Giants
I expect Boley to be the one with the green dot for the entire season
and also hopefully Coughlin’s love of veterans doesn’t stop him from playing Jones a lot.
Goff definitely looked a lot more athletic this year then ever. I expected him to play at a Pro Bowl level this year even tho he wasn’t going to get picked for it. I’d say Goff’s loss is much like losing Kevin Boss, except we have a few players that seem like they could adequately replace him. Goff was nothing steady, but most definitely underrated when he was playing…but may be overrated that he’s injured.
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Agreed with everything.
Hopefully TC will continue to play Jones if he plays well, not sit him and play Mitchell just because he’s a vet. If Jones comes out and plays well Sunday vs. the deadskins, he earns himself another start, simple as that. You’ve got to expect some bumps along the road, he is a rookie, but if he’s an asset to the team, more than he isn’t, you gotta leave the kid out there to take his lumps and grow as a player. i think Mitchell is depth at best, he shouldn’t really see the field that much, hopefully Jones keeps it that way.
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Greg Jones
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Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
also overall with these injuries
while hopefully Goff is the last major one to occur, I’d rather they happen now instead of midway through the season. If Goff was hurt in week 8 and we had to then rely on Jones, it’d be a whole lot tougher to overcome.
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I don't think Goff was a huge loss.
I like him as a player, and think he’s tough and smart. He has not demonstrated greatness. But there are others who can call signals, and others who can try to fill twhat is today’s MLB position. He is is not a HUGE loss.
Every injury can’t be called huge. TT was huge. But what would Tuck or JPP or one of the corners or one of the safeties be? Huge? How about Eli or Bradshaw or Snee or Kareem or Baas or Nicks or Manninham? Is everybody a HUGE loss? Does the word have any meaning?
I think there is way too much weeping and gnashing of teeth among a lot of Giant fans. Is every setback in their lives treated like the sky is falling?
Buckle up.
Goff..
Its a shame yet another guy goes down, but i have to agree with 44, it does remind me a lot of loosing Boss, but Greg Jones just seems to be a little better of a replacement than Beckum does.
Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?
by colinlovestheknicks on Sep 7, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions
bad now, but maybe good for the giants
in a year or two down the road. greg jones will be getting more reps then he initial was expected to get so this gives him more of a chance to develop and work on his game…i am actually really excited to see all of the new drafted/undrafted linebackers we got
What other LB's
are they bringing in for a look see? Mitchell has not been signed yet, just saying.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
None if they sign Mitchell, which seems to be the case.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
According to MG
they are bringing in others today as well, and then they pick one.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
That sounds like JR
Likes to turn over all the rocks, kick the tires
If Lofa ain’t here, means JR & Co have him down as PUP
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
This is an inconvenient loss
because it happened so close to Week 1 after a lockout-shortened off-season. It’s not a big loss. Boley can make the calls on the field. Jones is more athletic than Goff and can’t be worse than Goff in pass coverage. With Canty, Linval, and Bernard, the Giants have DTs good enough to help a MLB handle the run defense.
I’d love to see Jones flash brilliance but he just needs to make the solid plays. Make the plays that you’re expected to make.
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I hope you are right
I’m just so frustrated with these injuries before week 1, but I think we all agree just play the damn games and lets see what happens. Hopefully these first 6 games against beatable teams will give us the strong start and finally and 07 finish.
Big loss... it can be overcome but there are some serious questions about the D now
I am not the biggest Goff supporter, I too thought he could be improved upon, however the Giants didn’t try and improve on Goff decided he was the guy and he would grow into the position. Goff showed potential last year and showed improvement in preseason so a lot of us were expecting big things out of him this year. We don’t know if he would have taken the next step but we do know the D would be solid with Goff in there.
Now we are forced to go with a rookie at Middle LB, and his backup is a veteran who has been hurt the last two years. So we as Giant fans are facing the unknown, and there is fear in facing the unknown.
The worst part of this is the uncertainty
We have no idea how this will affect the D, cause Goff hadn’t plateaued and Jones upside is unknown. I’ll remain optimistic till I see how it turns out, but right now there are a bunch of “lesser” untested guys taking on more prominent roles on our D.
Coe, Jones, Bernard, Herzlich (backing up Kiwi), and Osi not being there for a bit
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit anxious, but at least it’s Washington not Philly this week.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Well put
It’s easy to rationalize how we can overcome this loss because Goff was just a solid cog in the system, not a star. But when he’s the anchor and signal caller in the middle of the defense, it might have a bigger effect than some people think. We’ll see how it pans out.
But please God, can I not see “season ending” and Giants in the same sentence for a few weeks?
Go Giants!
Yes
And conversely, Jones is a far more instinctual player than Goff (he’s more instinctual than many), it’s very very hard to see how they’ll play at this level.
If he’s strong and fast enough, and keeps the mental errors under control, those instincts and reactions could make him the best LB we’ve drafted in a long long time.
Just no way to know, till about week 6.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
This is what I was going to say, basically
We all knew that Goff was good, and still improving. I’m as excited about seeing the young guys play as anybody, but I think we fans sometimes get carried away with our expectations. Rookies so rarely come in and make a big impact right away… it usually takes a couple years. It sounded like Jones had a good game this last preseason game (I was listening on the radio not watching though), but he’s still really an unknown quantity. I think the best we can really hope for is that he is able to step in and hold the defense together… not necessarily do anything spectacular. Anything above that is icing.
Obviously I hope Jones plays well, but I guess I also hope fans cut him some slack as well. To expect a rookie to step in and play consistently good football is a lot to ask. The other guys around him are going to have to help out, because he’s going to be developing for a while.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Sep 7, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather see Philly in week one.
It would have been a chance for our front four to feast on their OLine that is still trying to get it together. 2 extra weeks and the extra practices will help them out greatly in the week 3 match up. I think that a week one match up with Philly would have favored us more.
Quinn must go !!
IMO
Goff was an ok MLB. You could do worse, but you could certainly do better. I think people that say he was set to have a break out season are simply overstating his value, or projecting their wishes.
What will determine how big of a loss it is, is the how big of a drop off from Goff to Jones (thats stating the obvious). I think physical ability is similar or better than Goff, but is he ready mentally?
Agreed.
You can easily name probably 15 MLBs better than Goff. That puts him in the bottom half of starting MLBs int he league, that’s nothing to write home about. A lot of us Giants fans overrate him. You can find any old Joe off the street to stop the run, as long as they’re good at shedding blocks. He was far from a complete LB.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
~16 teams play 4-3s and ~16 teams play 3-4s
there are more than 32 MLBs
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Does that change the fact that he's still in the bottom half?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
But he's not
Name 8 other MLBs on 4-3s
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The type of Defense is irrelevant.
There are a good 14-18 MLBs better than him. I like him a lot, think he’s a great palyer for us, but he’s not as good as some make him out to be.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I beg to differ
the type is relevant….that’s like saying a mechanic is a mechanic, doctor, blah blah, etc etc…. would you like a podiatrist to have to do your brain surgery? how about a car mechanic on your airplane flight? these are specialties, and i would like to say that our defense type is one also, yes, under proper circumstances(time and a training environment) you can train one to do the other, but it isn’t optimal
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I asked you to name 8 other MLBs in 4-3s
I don’t think I can
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
I enjoy saying GREG JONES!!!!
after a big play.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 7, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions
any word on who else
the giants will be working out other than mitchell?
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by John W on Sep 7, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We could have had Foster
now starting ILB for Tampa. Thanks Jerry.
+1
The extension of the original argument is
But Jones is starting for the Giants, and he was a 6th rounder, so what a great value he was.
A rookie starter hasn’t demonstrated skill or failure.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Tampa says you are wrong.
To think he wouldn’t help or that Jernigan was a better choice is what is really hilarious.
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
But is he better than Jones?
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He took first team reps with TB.
The papers think he is the breakout rookie of the camp. How do we think he is the same as Jones?
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
0 real snaps
and based off what we saw in preseason and college contributions… Jones will be a player, if TB has anything close to that in Foster than I am sure Raheem is happy…
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by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
What you're saying is that cause TB decided to neuter the position and hand it to Foster he must be good
If he had beaten out Ruud in camp and they cut Ruud, that would be a bigger statement. Foster didn’t do that.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
you said neuter….
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by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hehhhh, sometimes I can't help myself
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
just cuz a player is starting and a team cut a veteran player doesn't mean the rookie's any good
just look at Casey Matthews.
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It's also irrelevant
The question isn’t whether Jernigan was a better pick than Foster. The question is whether Jones was a better pick than Foster. While I really liked Foster, there’s nothing that says the he’s better than Jones. Don’t talk to me about where he was drafted. I’m talking about production and potential.
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Right now you cant tell me that Foster will be a better LB than Jones.
Who knows?
If in the end they are considered equal and JJ turns into a player, then that means Reese got the better deal.
The chances that Jones and Jernigan turn out to be better contributors than just Foster are in the Giants’ favor. Lets wait unil they play a few downs before we pass judgement and call in the blimp.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 7, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on precisely 0 regular season plays
I’m thinking you must have serious prophetic powers
I didnt watch one second of Foster, but I know that the Bucs are cheap and didn’t want to pay Ruud. So they toss in a rookie. This happens all over the NFL all the time. Let’s let Foster make some plays before we give him a reputation.
As for Jernigan, the cat has a great skill set, he was obviously unnerved in the preseason. If he calms down a touch, and let’s the game come to him, you may be buying his jersey sooner than you think.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Tampa doesn't say anything
Foster is starting, he didn’t’ do anything in this season yet.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
And no one is saying that Foster won't be great
It’s just that today, right this minute, aside from draft round, what’s his pedigree advantage over Jones?
Jones was a top Big 10 guy for 4 years, considered a top NCAA MLB, it’s not like people were whispering that Foster was the next Urlacher
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
This is just rationalizing a bad choice by Jerry
We needed a LB in the 3rd. Foster was considered one of the best in that round. Instead we got what we needed far less, a receiver, who maybe kinds sorta can return punts.
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Why in the 3rd….what if Jerry targeted Jones as the best LB in the draft….? I don’t know that he did, but i don’t know that he didn’t either…. He actually could have had a plan…
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by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
If we took Jones in the third, many would be happy
we didn’t need a Lb “in the third”. It doesn’t matter where you pick them. Jones is as good as Foster.
I’d much rather have Jernigan and Jones instead of Foster and whoever in the 6th.
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If Jerry had picked Foster you'd all
be saying that was a brilliant choice, too. Fact it, we are lucky at LB with two UDFAs who saw the Giants as a poverty situation at LB and signed on.
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
yes we would have…no body said that he sucks…, we just don’t know which of the two are better just yet
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by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If we picked Foster it would be a good choice, sure.
but it doesn’t seem like something to bitch and complain about when we got a player that those who actually know who Foster is, is actually as good as Foster.
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That's easy to say now. Thabnks Captain Hindsight
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually lots of people questioned the move when Jernigan was picked
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Jernigan made sense
SS was an upcoming free agent and MM will be one next year… why not have protection…?
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by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
True and many loved the JJ pick
But that’s a beauty contest, as a fan, I hope that my GM looks past that and hones in on finding the guys that with coaching can breakout.
There was a reason why Jerry Rice wasn’t the first pick. In college he was just running around, Walsh saw the skill set he could train, and in an incredible work ethic and you have the GOAT. If you just draft the finished product, you probably can’t get it done.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
If you are ready to jump
Meet me at Public Bar on 18, I’ll be at the rooftop bar….
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by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are in Maryland...
Public is on 18th in DC
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by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You're not making any sense
Now you’re complaining for the sake of complaining.
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That's nonsense, Maryland
We’ve been over this a zillion times. You don’t say ’it’s round 3, I have to have a linebacker.’ That’s how you make mistakes. These guys have played zero games, let it play out. I wanted Mason Foster, too, but JR and the scouts have a lot more info than we do.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 7, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
AMEN to that
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
that's exactly how teams make mistakes..
..stick around pre-draft season and you will see the light
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams Tyler Sash Da'Rel Scott
show me team that got more out of the bottom of their Draft/UDFA
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Sign Hanson and Kendric Burney..Sign Lee or Desmond Clark
JR is a beast
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 7, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Ed, you are just way too trusting
JR and the scouts are human too. They make bad reads. We as fans should call them on it. Don’t abdicate your responsibility.
Tell me, was Jernigan really so much a better athlete that he was an obvious pick over Foster? I’m at a loss to see what huge mistake we would have made if we looked at need and picked a very good prospect. If we are talking about an obvious advantage, as Prince is reported to be, then I’m all for it.
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
JR thought he could get a similar talent to Foster later in the draft.
And guess what? He did. I wonder if you’ve actually seen Jernigan’s college tape. The shit he did was insane, and if more people had seen this, people wouldve been clamoring for him for what he did for Troy’s STs and as a slot receiver.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not even anti-JJ
I think he will be good, especially if he gets his head straight on punts. I just think that Jones is good (and a steal in the 6th), but probably a shade less than Foster and not quite as ready to step in. Given the thin LB corps, we need a ready to go player. We shall see.
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not doubting you nor is this sarcasm...
but can you explain to me why you think Foster is better than Jones?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He was rated higher
on the scales I’ve seen(not by much, but higher), and it sounds like he is smart and was very quick to pick up the system in Tampa.
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I had to say about Greg Jones immediately after the draft
Yeah, I’m not joking about that round projection (2nd or 3rd). This is instantaneously my favorite pick in our entire draft. Before the combine, he was projected to go late 1st, and was usually selected around 8th or 9th in the 2nd. The value for this pick is disgusting, and I literally fell out of my seat when he became the pick.
The Giants were similarly ecstatic when they picked him, and hope that he’ll be a starter for them. How do I know this? Think about it: in the later rounds, most all of the picks by the Giants are athletes and scheme versatile players. Players that can help during special teams because of their physical skill sets. Yet, the biggest knock on Greg Jones is his athleticism. So why the hell would he be the pick, then?
For those of you who do not like this pick, yet wanted Mason Foster in the 3rd, I have trouble understanding your logic. Foster’s biggest knock was his athleticism. So is Greg Jones. They have similar 40 times (Foster was 4.70, Jones was 4.69 and are similar sizes). Foster’s biggest strength was his instincts, and it showed in his production; he had 378 career tackles and was team captain and leader. Jones? His instincts were just as good, if not better. Production? How about 465 career tackles and 16.5 sacks? He’s a more polished pass rusher as well, and is (in my opinion) better in coverage. He has by far the best intangibles of the bunch. Because of his size, he plays with fire, intensity, and a chip on his shoulder. He is a 3-year team captain and AP 1st team All American. Yes, to get him in the 6th is a steal of gigantic proportions.
He’s the prototypical T2 LB. He can play in the middle or outside. His coverage skills are up to the task, and his sideline-to-sideline agility and zone coverage is second only to Akeem Ayers. His ability to drop into deep middle coverage is a concern, but its certainly much, much better than Goff’s. His tackling is fundamentally sound and violent. He’s probably going to compete for our starting SAM with Sintim, but I could see him becoming our MLB and Goff moving to SAM (where his pass coverage duties are much less and tackling could be used better). I honestly don’t care about his size. Look at Brian Urlacher, Barrett Ruud, Gary Brackett, Pat Angerer, etc., if you want. Similarly sized, and prototypical T2 LBs.
To get a potential impact starter in the 6th round is insane. Insane.
Not that publications matter a whole lot, but Foster was projected to go only a few picks before Jones each time. Right before the combine, the most popular landing spot for Jones was to Tennessee in the 2nd round. Then combine overreaction pushed most prognosticators to put him in the 3rd. Foster was always put late 2nd to early 3rd. As for why Jones fell, I have no idea, but its becoming quite obvious that it was a mistake that most teams made.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you think Foster would be any more able to step in for Goff?
Goff was the starter here, no question. Foster would be getting the same reps that Jones would be.
Really doesn’t make any sense to complain about not getting Foster, unless we never had Goff to begin with.
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I thought we had little depth at LB
and wanted either a good vet free agent or a really good draft pick. I worried about exactly this eventuality, and I don’t think Jerry did.
by Maryland Fan on Sep 7, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
so we drafted a LB that for all anyone knows
we could’ve drafted in the 3rd round and wouldn’t have been considered a reach or anything, but we got him in the 6th.
So just since he drafts him in the 6th, Jerry wasn’t thinking about a backup LB? But if he drafted him in the 3rd, he was thinking about this situation?
Excellent logic, and I see why you’re complaining (which is just to complain)
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If you don't draft
an LB until the 6th, you must not think it is a serious team need. Glad Jones was there, it is astonishing that he was still around. Do you really think JR planned that?
Did he plan on Jacobs lasting till the 4th?
Bradshaw to the 7th? Tuck to the third? Amukamara to #19? Countless other good picks fell to where they did too, its not like the GIants have been drafting in the top 5 every year.
He drafted 2 LBs, again. So its not like he didn’t think of it as a “need”. Just cuz you draft a player high doesn’t mean its a "need’ either.
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You look at who you think BPA is, with an eye towards your weaknesses
Yes, I’d say LB was a need, but (though we didn’t know if Kiwi was coming back at the time) it was only SLB and that too, we had Sintim so it wasn’t really pressing. MLB we knew we had Goff. WLB we knew we had Boley.
However, at ST, we had frigging Darius Reynaud! And our ST coverage sucked hairy balls! Now THATS a need that more than likely cost us more games than the LB corps.
So assuming they had Jernigan rated similarly to Foster, I’d rather they take the one with an anticipatory immediate impact over the one that would most likely be a backup in the 3rd.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
precisely.
They took a player in the 3rd in Jernigan that they felt could compete for the 3rd WR spot, and significant playing time, as well as be the punt returner. Why take a LB there that won’t get any serious playing time, when you can draft a guy that may be a often used WR, and at the least a punt returner.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yeap, and forgot to mention...they obviously thought
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named’s knee was going to cost him some recovery time so he wouldn’t be ready for the first part of the season anyway…even more reason to get a player that you think would be a protoypical player at the slot AND help ST.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
RIght, because why?
It was more of a need than backup LB.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yessir
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We were so deep at
WR, I don’t understand this line of argument. Let’s take an area last year where JR was fabulous in the face of adversity, OL. He kept stitching that together with tape and yarn and made it work. I don’t think we are in that position at LB this year, if this jinx holds up.
WR?
you mean the spot where Steve Smith wasn’t going to be 100% even if he came back, Ramses Barden had major surgery in February and Dominik Hixon was coming off IR? Also Hakeem Nicks hasn’t stayed healthy either for a whole year yet
Yea, we had a lot of depth there.
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LOL
you saved me the trouble. Thank you.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
look at your list. Yes we had a huge amount of depth there. Enough to handle even all those problems you just listed without it being a crisis this year. You’d have to assume that none of those guys were coming back for a WR draft to make a lot of sense. As a ST return man, yes, JJ he made sense.
I'm looking at the list and I'm seeing
players that are/were injured and/or not expected to be 100% when the season started. Barden wasn’t expected healthy, neither was Smith. That’s 2 of the top 4 WRs. On a team like the Giants, sounds like WR was need.
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Hixon would be back
and Barden has been a surprisingly slow heal, as TC has noted. But my point is that if that level of injuries hits the LB corps, would could never compensate as we did last year at OL or WR. Maybe I’m too much a pessimist, but I expect injuries and don’t like it when things get thin.
yes, definitely a pessimist
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So based on what you said about JJ
Isn’t getting a guy who will actually play at punt returner, and probably would have at WR regardless, since they didn’t know/were unsure about Smith, more of a need than getting a backup LB who would see the field only as a special teams guy? You helped prove my point.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking they expected back
Hixon (who could also do returns) and Barden by this time, and within another month he-who-shall-never-be-named-again. So I was less worried about WR than LB where we were thin and didn’t have the talent we have at WR.
Think of the money they are going to have to spend at WR in the next two years.
They have to pay Mannignham probably top 20 money after this season, and they have to pay Nicks probably top 5 money after next season. Smith was only going to get a 1 year deal anyway, and they weren’t sure what he was going to be this season, so it seems that he wasn’t going to be part of the plan after this season anyway. So yea, I’d say getting a slot WR and weapon at punt returner was a greater need than backup LB. Call me crazy.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't expect
much in a punt returner. Five yards, a cloud of dust, and I’m happy. I’m more worried about the positions that are on the field most of the time.
He may not have seen it as a need.
They obviously knew they were going to start Kiwi at Lb, so they probably felt they had 3 quality starting LBs, and there were other needs on the team that should be addressed first. Just because you think LB was a need now that Goff is hurt, doesn’t mean the team thought it was a need at the time, especially since they felt they had 3 good starters.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly there is depth.
They kept four rookie LBs for a reason. They are good football players and provide good depth at the position. They wouldn’t have made the team otherwise.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Foster would still be a rooke that was playing MLB for the 2nd team
to think we’d be in a better situation if we drafted Foster is hilarious.
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Could've, Should've, Would've....to quote Fassel ( replaced playoff = compete)
“I am raising the stakes right now, … If this is a poker game, I am shoving my chips right in the middle of the table. I am raising the ante. Anybody who wants out, can get out. This team is going to COMPETE. OK? This team is going to COMPETE.”
That was, and is still, awesome
Although we all thought he was crazy at the time. Just wish now he said “going to win the Super Bowl” instead of “going to the playoffs” – lol.
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Much like last year
with JPP vs Witherspoon, people will be comparing what Foster does compared to JJ & Jones
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought we were comparing JPP
to B. Graham.. on the Eagles, the one who is constantly injured…. or is that too easy to do???
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What I just don't understand.
Is that so many people on this site talk about how great Goff is, but now that he’s injured we will be fine without him.
It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Pick one or the other.. Jones has talent, but he’s not ready yet.
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I agree, you don't understand it
the point is that while Goff is good, he’s replaceable. Replaceable means you can replace him, and it means losing him isn’t going to kill you.
Tuck, Eli, Nicks, Web and given the situation on the team I’d say Beatty at this point, those guys aren’t replaceable. Goff, is.
Doesn’t mean he sucks. Doesn’t mean he’s overrated either.
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Thanks for clearing up what replaceable means. I just couldn’t make it out myself. Really appreciate it, ass.
Read my comment again. I was making the point that many believe he is great, but the next day say he is replaceable. That was my comment.
I believe he is average. Not having him will hurt, but we will be fine.
My comment was towards those who believe he was a superstar but still believe he is replaceable. I understand you want the attention, but I wasn’t talking to you.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Don't worry Reese shoots rainbows out his arse
No need to be logical silly you. Whatever is, is great. If Goff is playing he is a probowler. If he is hurt it’s not a big loss he wasn’t that great. We don’t have four late round rookie linebackers because we had nothing else at the position, we have those linebackers because they are obviously the greatest linebackers ever to play the game. Ignore that other teams didn’t snatch these guys up, ignore that they “beat out” other low round unwanted players. Everything is ok silly child. Here, come, drink this kool aide you’ll feel better.
I am of the school of thought that Goff was primed for a breakout season… and I still am optimistic that Reece has put us in a good situation with Jones. Why can’t I feel good about both?
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 7, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You must choose grasshopper
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Cause it's a fan site
We’re prone to hyperbole
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Not sure I saw great anywhere
but having a season under his belt most thought that he was primed to be solid. He will be missed but I for one need to stay positive, with the season just about to start. Our D-Line will provide whoever is playing MIKE time to react. Hope he can cover the TE!
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 7, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with this. But many on this site have called him great. Go look at the original post about Goff missing the season and check it out.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
ok now im not happy.
Is this season lost? No it hasn’t started. But how can a fan base stay confident when we lose 2 starters and a bunch of up and coming back ups?.. iuno guys I’m not looking forward for this season anymore.
by wrxsti28 on Sep 7, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Long term
I am most worried about this (and the other things) long term. This offseason has shown me that the FO does not like to make offers to guys that have injuries on this team. Now with both Goff and Thomas having season ending injuries I could easily see one or both of them going somewhere else next year due to a low offer from the Giants. Add on that I see zero chance we will pay Manningham the money required to keep him. This is huge for this year, but I think the future is where it is even more disturbing.
Most of us saw that anyways without the injuries
both of them would want big paydays and some team out there would be willing to give it to them. Now that they are injured, chances are they will be back with the giants if only for a year.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
You cannot make any inferences
based on this offseason.
It was an absolute fluke. The free agent pool was artificially inflated thanks to the uncapped year, and the salary cap was lowered for the 1st time ever.
Never mind the fact that they attempted to deal with Shawn Andrews, resigned Kiwi, and wanted to resign Steve Smith (he just never gave them the chance).
I see it different
The only reason we were able to resign Bradshaw and Kiwi is because there was not enough interest for them outside of the Giants. Because of this, the low offer that was given to them did not matter. We lost Smith because he did have other people looking at him and the Giants low offer was too far below was else was available. I see no reason to expect that to be done differently with Goff and/or Thomas.
by Midnight Blue on Sep 7, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
There was interest in Bradshaw.
Jacobs restructured to help him stay, he wanted to stay here all along, and they payed him what he was worth on the FA market to stay here. Yes Kiwi got a small deal, but he would have gotten that anywhere coming off a serious neck injury. He also wanted to stay here, so I’d have a hard time saying we only were able to keep them because of lack of interest. I’m fairly confident that had the Giants not made those two the clear priorities to resign, clearly above Smith and Boss, they’d be on other teams right now, making probably more money.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So What
Even if Goff and TT don’t get resigned. We have Ross (if we resign him) and Prince at CB. Both 1st round picks. Who says Mann won’t get a new contract. He’s earned it and healthy… so far. What proof do you have that we don’t keep our great, healthy players? And don’t say Boss. He isn’t “Great”, and SS wasn’t healthy plus we got two really good WRs.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Manningham
The reason why I think we will not resign Manningham is the same reason the Cards had to lose Boldin. If Manningham is as good as expected and hoped this year he will be able to demand #1 receiver money. We will not pay him that to be our #2 guy, so I’m assuming he will be gone.
by Midnight Blue on Sep 7, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
I can’t hear you.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this hurts alot
maybe more then TT. Goff looked like he was going to really improve on an above-avergae 2010 season, was the Defense’s QB, and they are now hoping a rookie without OTAs/Mini-camps can learn quick.
But that being siad, they can overcome this but it will take time and some of luck (ie. no more injuries).
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 7, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
It hurts more because we have Ross to step in at CB
Ross has demonstrated starter ability and is fully trained and educated
Jones, who has me excited, is really a blank slate
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
yeap
the two situations are similar in a way:
Ross is a very good corner and Prince will be back midseason or so BUT we are hoping Ross stays healthy and Prince can learn the playbook quick.
Mitichell is a decent vet and Jones has alot of upside BUT we are hoping Mitchell can stay healthy and Jones can learn the defense quick.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 7, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but..
Ross has proven he can play well and at this point in his career Mitchell really isn’t much.
Also, Prince was a 1st round draft pick and Jones was a 6th.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
any injury hurts
but better that its goff rather than rolle, phillips, grant, boley, Kiwanuka, tuck, canty, JPP, webster, ross, eli, BJ, bradshaw, nicks, manningham, baas, mckenzie, beatty, diehl or snee……. I value all those fine genteman more than I value goff…… and TT, Osi, Prince also
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 7, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
You just said Goff is the worst player on our defense :)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!.....
I’ll admit not being happy about the loss of Goff, but I was also wondering when Jones would be taking his starting spot away, anyway. I like Goff, but didn’t love him as our starting MLB. Jones has me excited to see what he can do with this thrust upon him. He’s got what Goff didn;t seem to have, that chip on his shoulder and a mean & nasty streak. It’s time that opposing players learn to fear the middle of our D.
We may see some screw ups mixed in with some brilliance at first, but I think we’ll all be laughing about this cvome midseason.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I'm glad we're opening with the Deadskins...
If the rest of the defense can’t figure out a way to keep Washington in check with Jones or whomever at MLB, we were probably going to be in deep trouble even with Goff. If they can, Jones/whomever get a chance to get on the field and get a bit of time to start catching up on things. Goff will be missed, but so will any other player who goes down.
So we play Boley and Nuke with Grant or Rolle stepping up to the line.
We’ll be fine.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 7, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is the truth about this season - its all on Eli
Firstly, I am an Eli fan.
Now that’s out of the way, the only way this team makes the playoffs is if Eli leads them there. That means Eli has to play smart, play hard, and carry this team through out this season. If he throws INT’s, if he doesn’t make plays in key moments, if he just is an average QB we will be a middle of the pack team. If Eli leads us, we will make the playoffs.
This team has suffered a lot of injuries on Defense. That unit can’t carry us. I am of the beleif that our special teams will be much improved with the changes the organization has made. Therefore, it’s the offense that must, must step up.
So Eli, what’s it gonna be? 2007 or 2011? It’s all on you.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
we may not want the 2007 regular season Eli leading this team
23 TDs/20 INTs… average at best there. Now if we get the 2007 postseason Eli for a good part of the year… the team will be great. I’ll take 2009 Eli at this point
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 7, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Valid - I'm the Eli from the 2007 playoffs
Don’t care what his stats were. In big game situations during that stretch of four games in a row he stepped up.
That’s the guy this team doesn’t just want, this team needs.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
I'm "referring to" - missed that in the title.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
true, he shows up big in big games
I still think this will be more of a defensive team until Eli and the WRs/TEs get on a roll… it may be a few weeks. The run game may carry this team for a lil bit
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 7, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I hate to say this....
But Eli is getting paid to lead this team. I agree he will lean on the run but to win a game the team will need to throw.
What this team can’t afford is for Eli to take 5 games to get on track with his WR’s/TE’s. Sorry, can’t happen. He has to figure out a way to get that offense to score while the D gets time to get on the same page, IMO.
That’s the leadership I’m talking about. I didn’t see it in the preseason but he has to flip the switch. We need to be reading headlines like “Eli carry’s Giants to victory”. It’s too much to ask the D to hold this team together at this point.
I beleive he can do it. He just has to make it happen.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
your right
he is getting paid to be the guy. Thats why if we get the 2009 Eli, I’ll be super happy. He had a few games then when he carried the team when the Defense gave up big plays and leads late in the game.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 7, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a leader.
I would put up my life savings that if you asked any player on the Giants whether Eli was a leader or not, you wouldn’t get one single No.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I like 2008-2009 Eli
and actually 2010 Eli too, just reduce the turnovers. 2007 Eli actually was just an above average QB.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
This D Can still carry us.
The injuries are not a huge deal thanks to our great GM. And our main strength still has the pieces… the D-line. Osi will be back soon. Ross is good. Rolle will be our nickel back and he is an allpro DB and experienced at the position. Top pick Prince will be back before long. Jones was rated a top pick and Goff was no world beater. Jones will probably be better than Goff by mid-season if not sooner. And KP or Rolle can call the D if needed. They are vets. I don’t see a major drop off anywhere due the injuries so far. Everybody needs to calm down. Plus our STs should be way better this year. But that said, the season is still on Eli. If he can keep the INTs to under 15 I think Giants win division easily.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the season hasn't even started
and I’m aggravated.
don't worry
we have the redskins in a few days, that should remedy some of the collective pain
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
b/t Rex Grossman and Tim Hightower
I’m expecting at least 5 turnovers from the ’Skins
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Cumulative Effect
I haven’t read all of these entries, so, sorry in advance if someone has already said this – to me, if the Giants just lost Goff it would be one thing. It is the cumulative effect of all of these lost players. I don’t see how it doesn’t negatively affect the Giants. The loss of Goff as the defensive play caller is huge – maybe even bigger than losing Thomas in some ways. You know teams will be doing everything they can to take advantage of these losses.
by jfostersbnation on Sep 7, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
def a big loss
i would venture it’s as big as losing TT….
in fact, if Bruce Johnson, and Prince weren’t hurt….I’d say it’s a bigger loss than TT.
that’s not to say Goff was the “most under appreciated player on Defense though”….not even close.
clearly that award goes to Corey Webster…but it’s a big loss.
Now Fewell’s ADHD is probably kicking into high gear and gawd only knows how he plans to deal w/ this. I suspect Boley’s responsibilites will increase here…
especially if Kiwi can be even more of a LINEBACKER than just a JOKER.
TeamJPP
Goff as big a loss as TT?
Maybe equal,but if Boley can handle the communication/playcalling aspect,Greg Jones stands as good a chance as any rookie LB to step in..and LB is another position like RB where many rooks have come in and stepped up to play at a high level..most if not all defensive rook of the year awards go to LBz..especially MLB,so..
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams Tyler Sash Da'Rel Scott
show me team that got more out of the bottom of their Draft/UDFA
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Sign Hanson and Kendric Burney..Sign Lee or Desmond Clark
JR is a beast
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 7, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
play calling...
will be important.
and even if Boley can do it…he’s not nearly the thumper in the middle that goff is.
but he can cover better than Goff….
but more importantly is play calling….Greg Jones may have the ability but understanding is just as important imo.
and like i said, if Prince were healthy, and we had Bruce Johnson….I’d say yes, it’s bigger than TT….but we don’t….so i say it’s on par.
TeamJPP
I don't think
ANYBODY is saying that they’ll make Boley the MIKE
He’ll stay on the outside, he just gets to wear the green dot on his helmet.
Greg Jones will be the MIKE, and if they just tell him to play, and play to his strengths, then he should have a good game.
The Redskins will run right at him, and try to abuse him with Cooley, but I’m confident he can hold up against the run, and if the Giants keep him out of too many coverage matchups (let him blitz on passing downs, because he’s REALLY good at it) they should be okay.
we'll see
people forget that Boley played a lot in the middle last year….
but they will def use Cooley a lot….especially considering that K. Shanahan has success in the 2nd half of that final game last year….w/ Cooley….abusing our LBs.
I wouldn’t be shocked at all to see more 5-2 sets w/ Boley and someone else playing an “ILB” type position
for the record i’m more on board w/ G. Jones than K. Mitchell, but knowing Fewell….there will be no single solution….he’ll probably try a bunch of fixes….and I suspect Boley calling plays and playign more MLB will be one of them.
TeamJPP
for the record i’m more on board w/ G. Jones than K. Mitchell
Same here.
but knowing Fewell….there will be no single solution….he’ll probably try a bunch of fixes….and I suspect Boley calling plays and playign more MLB will be one of them.
I’ve got the same intuitive reckoning.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 7, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
long term...you gotta think GJ
but short term….man alive…I just can’t see the Giants handing the reins over to a 6th round (albeit coulda been drafted sooner) rook….w/ limited off season work.
personally, and I’ve said this before, I believe Scheme > Personnel….
but w/ all this “read and react” stuff….it’s asking a lot.
plus what I “want” and what i “think” are two different things.
TeamJPP
There is no choice.
They have to play Jones. Even if they sign Mitchell today, he’ll only have 2 days and a walk through of practice on the team before Sunday. He won’t even be dressed. Jones has to start Sunday, and probably next week too. Beyond that, if he plays well, you can’t just sit him for a vet. Play him and if he’s awful, then you go a combination of Mitchell and whoever else. Me personally, I think he could make a run at Defensive Rookie of the Year if he starts the whole season.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I hinted at the other choice actually
and that’s Boley taking on more MIKE responsibilites than some are even considering right now.
not saying i want that to happen….but I don’t think it should be over looked…
TeamJPP
It's a possibilty.
I just can’t see Boley playing MLB. Let him stay on the outside, he’s our best LB at covering the TE, he’s needed more on the outside. He can still call the defense from the outside.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it could be more of a quasi
5-2
I don’t think they’ll just move Boley to MIKE.
I sometimes think this whole SAM / MIKE / WILL thing is blown outta proportion w/ Fewell.
me and Mclaren were discussing this the other day talking about Boley….i’m pretty sure he had tape of the Washington Game last year and we sat here and watch Fewell line Boley up literally at WILL, SAM, and MIKE.
they’re were also 5-2 Sets w/ Boley playing what you would call an ILB.
TeamJPP
True.
Definitive positions on the Giants defense aren’t as clear cut as other defenses.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's where the potentially smaller learning curve for an LB comes into play
And Jones is extremely productive and experienced at the college level..and don’t get me wrong Goff is a good player in his own right,but either should be off the field after 2 downs alot of the time anyway
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams Tyler Sash Da'Rel Scott
show me team that got more out of the bottom of their Draft/UDFA
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Sign Kendric Burney and we have another steal of a rook..Sign Lee or D.Clark
JR is a beast
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 7, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i think
and I’m stressing think here….
but i think Goff was trying to turn that corner or was at least expected to turn that corner this year….i.e. being a full time, 3 down LB.
TeamJPP
Where's GoffAttack?
I was curious about his input. Is a name change in order? Maybe just a sig change?
1. Wasn’t Jones a 5th and Sash was the 6th round choice?
2. I believe the front office will pony up for MM precisely because he hasn’t been hurt that much and has stayed on the field.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 7, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
both 6's
pay HAM.
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams Tyler Sash Da'Rel Scott
show me team that got more out of the bottom of their Draft/UDFA
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Sign Hanson and Kendric Burney..Sign Lee or Desmond Clark
JR is a beast
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 7, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
HAVE TO PAY HAM.
Not even in question.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 7, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
we traded that 5th
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
I' m going to use this latest injury to remind me....
I need to focus on myself not on the Giants. I have my own problems. I thought this really could be our year — and it still it might but you never know about injuries.
I need to focus on my own life and less on who will start at middle linebacker this Sunday.
I hear that Senex
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams Tyler Sash Da'Rel Scott
show me team that got more out of the bottom of their Draft/UDFA
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Sign Kendric Burney and we have another steal of a rook..Sign Lee or D.Clark
JR is a beast
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 7, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The won thing that will cure all our worries
Win this Sunday with the players that we got.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
I think we all will feel that way. The first loss of the season is always a gut punch haha
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you think about Greg Jones starting,B?
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams Tyler Sash Da'Rel Scott
show me team that got more out of the bottom of their Draft/UDFA
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Sign Kendric Burney and we have another steal of a rook..Sign Lee or D.Clark
JR is a beast
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll be fine. I anticipate growing pains, though.
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been spoiled, living near DC with the redskins the past 5 or so years…. they don’t talk much about the Giants… they pretty much roll over and play dead when the topic of Football turns toward the Giants… CAN’T WAIT
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
yes. Don't want him though. He'd be lucky no. 7 to go for season ending injury most likely
Team Intervention:
Greg Jones
Tyler Sash
Jason Pierre-Paul
Will Beatty
Justin Trattou
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
you'll see Keith Bullock before Tatupu,he's just a name at this point..
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams Tyler Sash Da'Rel Scott
show me team that got more out of the bottom of their Draft/UDFA
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Sign Kendric Burney and we have another steal of a rook..Sign Lee or D.Clark
JR is a beast
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 7, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he's available but no one wants him cuz of the knees
I never think that there's something I can't do, whether it's beating my opponent one on one or practicing another hour because something about my game is just not right. - Magic
Life isnt perfect.the reason we have backups is to fill in in an emergency.This is one of those times.The Packers had many injuries last year and went all the way.A few weeks ago we had too many LB’s ,now when one of our young stars has to play ,we are nervous.Relax and concentrate and the Redskins.
Let's get the season started already
Goff will hurt but there is 10 other guys on the defense and Mr. Jones will hold his own.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Call Me Crazy
But am I the only one who thinks “all” these major injuries on defense might actually help the Giants in some weird way?
TT is a good player who works hard, and I LOVE his form tackling. But am I the only one who thinks a LOT of catches were made in his area of the field? I think there is a reason the guy was the leading tackler on the team. Not a good sign that your CB leads in that category. Ross is former 1st round pick. Just had problems with injuries. But healthy, I think he might be better outside cover guy. Rolle is a pro-bowl DB who has played nickel before and now he is our nickel back. Can’t see a drop off there.
Clint Sintim is a guy nobody wanted on the team because he has been completely ineffective. Without his injury, Williams, Pay or Herz might not have made the roster. Did anybody want to see that happen?
Prince injury hurts depth but we didn’t LOSE anything, as he has never played for us and is an unproven rookie. We just lost the possibility of having something great until the 2nd half of season.
Goff is not a great LB. Everybody on the planet has always said LB is the Giants biggest weakness. The stats about his great run support may be skewed because he plays behind the best DL on the planet. Jones was at one point projected to be a top round pick. The guy has shown he has some great ability. Maybe he blossoms into a star before our eyes. But at worst, I don’t see him being a big drop off.
And that’s it. Nothing to get overly worried about. The worst injury in my opinion is Osi. JPP is good, but IMO has not proven to be better than Osi yet. But Osi probably only misses a couple games. My bet is that he’s back for Philly in week 3.
Anybody agree?
If anything
This should make everybody appreciate what a good GM JR really is. This team is deep and talented. We lose our “top” CB and we just have a former 1st round pick and our current 1st round pick to step in and fill the void. We lose our starting MLB and we have a rookie who could step in and be a star. We lose our all-pro DE and we have last years 1st round pick who should step in and be a star. Every one of this years draft picks made the roster and probably will contribute quite a bit. It’s pretty ridiculous really. JR is a great GM.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If our 1st round picks are being used for depth, I don't know how great of a GM JR really is..
by schmosterballs92 on Sep 7, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
considering that means you must have talent on the roster
it shows he’s a very good GM
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Salary Cap
stops teams from being loaded at each position. Which makes drafting quality, cheap guys even that much more important. Reese has obviously done a good job of getting a lot of young talented guys on this roster.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 7, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Exciting
If your not excited about our year you have something wrong with you. Maybe you should go green and root on the Jets. I mean come on this is going to be great this year. No matter what we getting younger and our future is brighter.
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