'Friday Five' With Pat Traina
Time for our weekly 'Friday Five' with Inside Football editor Pat Traina. Be sure to check out Pat's site for my answers to her questions.
Ed: Give me your assessment of Michael Vick's complaints about not being protected enough by the officials. I watched Sunday's game a couple of times and I didn't see anything that I thought was dirty or illegal. How about you?
Pat: I agree and I just get the sense that Vick was frustrated. Well you know what? Too bad. The Giants and their fans were frustrated for six straight games, and I don't ever recall the -players complaining about the breaks they got.
Ed: More than anything else I think Sunday's victory over Philly was huge for the psyche of the Giants team. Privately, there had to be a lot of doubt in that locker room about whether or not they still had enough talent to get the job done against the good teams. Thoughts?
Pat: I disagree. I don't think there was ever any doubt in an individual level as to whether they could take down Philly. In fact several players were just glowing about the game plan the coaches installed (they didn't share it with me, obviously, but several guys were so giddy over it that you just came away with hope that this time it would be different).
Ed: Let's spotlight Will Beatty this week. What have you thought of his play so far this season?
Pat: I think he's done well. He started out a little shaky at the beginning of the season, but that was really a result of the offensive lien trying to come together with their communication. I thought Beatty handled DE Trent Cole just fine last week, even if he did have a little extra help. I also think he's become much more at ease in his new role.
Ed: Is there one position, or one area, of this Giants team that you still see as an immense weakness. Any ideas on how to address it?
Pat: Special teams. While it's gotten better, every so often you find that piece of candy that just disgusts you. I'm hoping as the young guys who make up the various special teams gain more experience, the hiccups that show up go away. The other thing that I haven't been too happy with is the tackling, which at times has been atrocious. With the new player safety rules in place, I don't know how a coach can address that at the speed it needs to be at, though.
Ed: This Arizona game is, to me, a very dangerous one for the Giants. There was soooooo much focus on Philly. What's the mood? Do you sense a letdown coming, or do you sense that the momentum from beating the Eagles will carry over?
Pat: Right now, everyone is saying the right things, but action speaks louder than words. I think the Giants can top Arizona and I don't get the sense that they're spent, but you never know with this team. I will say this... if they come out flat against the Cards, I can almost guarantee you that the drums will start beating for Tom Coughlin's head.
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Very good first point-
I could care less about Vick’s ‘whining’, but I will at least agree that I cannot recall one Giant complaining about the refs- and there has been plenty to be frustrated about.
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
by pataroons on Sep 30, 2011 7:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The fans very well may call for Coughlins head..
but, I get the feeling the actual decision makers in our organization really like Coughlin and even if we miss the playoffs, I think he’s safe.
When life hands you lemons, hang yourself!
by colinlovestheknicks on Sep 30, 2011 7:40 AM EDT reply actions
If anything I can see this game being like the Jacksonville game last year
Arizona is just an average at best team, and really the big deal with that Jacksonville game was Garrard’s mobility and MJD’s running…something ARZ doesn’t really have. Limit big plays but Fitz is gonna get his…blitz the hell out of Klob and make him look as drunk as he does.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Only difference
We have a healthy Nicks, Ham, and emerging Cruz.
Against the Jags we started Hagan and Clayton.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant more so the caliber of the team
also the first half would be a bit of a “let down” and a few bridge jumpers would step back up to the ledge, possibly forgetting their parachute.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Whoops, fixed it for you.
also the first half would be a bit of a "let down" and a few bridge jumpers would step back up to the ledge,possiblyhopefully forgetting their parachute.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
Nice!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Sep 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Beanie is no slouch
but he is no MJD just yet. I dont think the D will have nearly as much trouble as they did with Gaga last week.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Also
He’s banged up. I’m sure he’ll play, and I hope we treat him as 100% dangerous, but I don’t think he’ll hurt us that much.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 30, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Pressure is key...
get Kolb running around will help. He has shown flashes coming out of the pocket though. Hit him hard a couple of times and see what he does!
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 30, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually see more similarities with the 2010 Texans
Vertical passing offenses, built around 1 terrific receiver
Running back who CAN be a threat, but has to be healthy first
Poor defense
If anything, I think the Texans were the better team (which is fine, because the Giants team that faced them was more complete and healthier).
Vick and his Non-Calls
If anything, we should be complaining about the non-calls that aren’t being made. I’m not sure I saw a single defensive play where our guys weren’t being blatantly held. Also, that face mask to Eli was pretty obvious. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad there aren’t more penalties being called and they’re letting the guys play. But it’s clear the refs are missing calls for all the teams, not just singling out Vick. And, I’m pretty sure, that after watching the tape, he can see that there were no late hits, and he was just acting like a little b**ch in his post-losing-game-press conf. The fact is, the Giant’s players are mostly too professional to come out and try to blame someone else for their mistakes.
You can hold to the point
where the defensive player is about to break away from you.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 30, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
But then you've got things like
JPP trying to chase down Vick while a lineman has him in a sleeper hold.
Retrospectively pondering last week's game
I do not know if anyone else had this same though here and I apologize if someone did, but I get the sense that the Eagles’ arrogance, especially that of Vick, is the cause for the uproar. They really probably thought they could easily beat the Giants with the mindset of them being the dream team. So when things did not go their way, they start whining like a bunch of sissies. What a joke!
it's a team that has a hard time taking a punch
If they do go 1-3, I’m not sure how resilient that crew is over there.
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Putting on a uni doesn't make you a team
They installed 5 new important faces on D, and guess what, they are having the same problems gelling and communicating that we are
Michael Vick had a 10 game stretch as an elite QB, since his play has been exciting, and top notch, but the INTs returned and his physical stature is in doubt
We shuffled one guy, brought in one new face and elevated a trained high draft pick. They basically re-did their entire OL.
IF they had made that work, right away, it would have been remarkable. They lost to two tough teams, I expect them to manhandle the weaker ones. The question is, can they get their heads together for the 2nd half when they should have gotten used to each other?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Vicks soft and is not a leader
never has been. If Vick was not on the Eagles their fans would say the same thing about him. A great talent for sure but not a consistant leader, it’ll be interesting to see what happens down there with him. McNabb had issues but was much more of a team guy and leader than Vick is.
No let down week...
should be a win for us coming off of a great team win last week! Stay focused and no TO’s, we should be good. Again, get the ground game going, ‘cause AZ has been giving up a lot of yardage on the ground then kill them in the air. They have two young CB’s that can be exploited.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 30, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
Please no Let down
This has to be the mantra in the locker room. If this team comes out flat we are in big trouble. Arizona is desperate they don’t want to go 1 and 3 so they will play hard. Also the Giants are flying under the radar You wouldn’t know the Giants clobbered the She Gulls last week as all the media was fixated on that bitch vick crying and not who made him cry. This is just the way I like it. Win games and stay under the radar.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Dont you think every NFL team plays hard?
When the Lions went 0-16, they played more close games than predicted. The Giants should win, but I don’t see this as a roll over. Of course, I may be influenced by the Rams, I figure the West is 4 even teams, non very good. So not a nail biter, but an earned victory.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Off Topic
Well, the only thing that matters are the people on this football team and in this organization believe in this football team," Jacobs told reporters after practice. "The people outside that want to say they’re fans and don’t believe in us, I [cannot] care less if they ever believe in us.
“They don’t mean anything to us if they don’t believe in us. They can go back and finish living their miserable lives that they’ve been living and hoping that we lose.”
-Brandon Jacobs
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
Talking about negative nancy's IMO
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
we do have a lot of those...must admit
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 30, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
tons
im sure every teams got the negative ahole fans… but it seems like the Giants haters are out in full force this year. cant wait for the ones who crucified them in preseason start to come back to being an actual fan once they keep winning.
by Plaxico Burress on Sep 30, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Even though it was a bit Drama Queen from BJ
I think that’s how players feel. If you call yourself a fan, you’re supposed to be all in, until they (the team) prove themselves incompetent.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
even if they prove themselves incompetent
you gotta have your teams back no matter what. Im a Mets fan.. i know allllll about supporting a bad team with everything ive got.
by Plaxico Burress on Sep 30, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
No one blames a fan for carping when the team is 3-7 after 10 games
That’s when I would start looking at college games with an eye on the draft
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Fans care more than the players
When you see players on the bench laughing it up while their team is getting blown out it’s obvious they really don’t care.
This.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 30, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Cut him. Sign posluszny
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Sep 30, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
F&*k Yea!
that whole quote should be the title of every comedy thread from now on.
by Plaxico Burress on Sep 30, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ knows I always ride wit my G-Men!!
I tell him on COD as much as possible.
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Sep 30, 2011 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love this
but if Rolle had said the same thing, he’d be getting crucified right now.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 30, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Rolle put him up to it?
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
fans wanted Jacobs
drawn and quartered two years ago…
they dare not saying anything now b/c they’re affraid they’ll expose themselves for the gutless chumps they are….
and this IMO is who Brandon is addressing.
but yeah, chances are Rolle would be getting killed….but if he continues to play well that will go by the way side.
i’m glad giants fans aren’t jumping off bridges w/ this comment by Jacobs but i think it’s been well documented over the years (especially by me) that he’s a just your basic loveable hot head….and w/ everything that transpired two years ago….I don’t blame the guy.
TeamJPP
I think the key difference between Jacobs and Rolle is their tenure.
Jacobs is a Giant through and through, he’s brought many great memories and was part of the greatest championship team in Giants history.
Rolle is still relatively new, he doesn’t get the same length of leash that the big boy gets.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
so explain to me '09?
really the only down year in his career…and he got killed here….by NYG fans
he was a lackluster, loser, who was suddenly a locker room cancer….
TeamJPP
Easy...
He wasn’t performing. You know as well as I do that the majority of these “fans” will turn on ANY of these guys. All it takes is two straight weeks of under performing in NY and you’re toast, a whole season? You might as well be playing for the Cowboys.
But he turned it around and performed last year, he’s back in everyone’s good graces, he’ll get away with comments like these until the team starts losing.
Rolle on the other hand, like you agreed with above, would be getting killed right now. Whereas with BJ, Ed or Mike didn’t even have an article addressing it…
I’m guessing this is because
it’s been well documented over the years (especially by me) that he’s a just your basic loveable hot head
And with Rolle (since he hasn’t help us win yet) he’s not loved, and therefore is just a hothead. That’s just my guess anyway.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t performing
exactly, and no one knew he was hurt.
so…one can conclude that his play on the field was the main reason he was catching hell….and his tenure wasn’t going to save him from catching said hell.
so hence:
but yeah, chances are Rolle would be getting killed….but if he continues to play well that will go by the way side.
TeamJPP
remember Jacobs helped us win
and still caught hell….
it’s just been a lot of work on the boards by faithful Giants fans that have policed the bridge jumping lemmings when it comes to the big body back.
Rolle….while some fans love when he talks that talk…other don’t. BUT throw in a few pick 6’s and get the fans reaction….I bet people still prolly won’t like what he says, but they won’t kill him for it! they won’t even say a word actually.
TeamJPP
Then bring on the Pick 6's baby!
And let the mouth run!
Let’s put this theory to the test.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm looking forward to a backflip
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have no issues w/ it at all
just as long as it doesn’t cost us 15 yards
or he doesn’t blow out an ACL in the process.
TeamJPP
He was great as a Cardinal against the Giants
I’d love to see him have a game like that for the G-Men. I was expecting more than he’s shown so far.
What about Adjustments?
Fewell and Gilbride called and excellent game last week. Hoping it will carry over into this week, especially on the Offensive side of the ball. Must mix it up and make those adjustments.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 30, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
"every so often you find that piece of candy that just disgusts you"
Thats gold. Though I guess its better than last year, which was like opening up one of those chocolate boxes and seeing that all the remaining pieces have had fingers stuck into them to see whats inside. Quinn! Use the damn map thing its right on the back of the lid!
I wonder how long it will take for Philadelphia to turn on Vick. He sure seems to have a lot of capital built up with the fans, but can that really last if he keeps getting hurt and they keep losing? I read a lot more negative stuff about the whining episode than I would have expected. My guess during the offseason was that it’d happen next year, but if things keep going the way they are…
I’m a little worried about Tuck. Torn because every game is so important, you’d like him to play if he can. But if he can possibly rest and get to 100%, that’d be better since they’re going to really need him down the stretch. Since this is something that has been bothering him since week 4 of the preseason though… I hate to say it but I wonder if this isn’t something that is going to go away any time soon.
your mom goes to college
philly fans would shit on their mothers in public if mom didn't meet game day expectations
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
by AJ_in_VA on Sep 30, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
They already vomited on a little girl
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I agree, an excellent turn of the phrase
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
loving the philly fallout right now
they turn on thier players real quick. if vick keeps getting banged up, and nmandi keeps getting beat by undrafted free agents, youre going to see that fanbase explode…. which makes me happy
by Plaxico Burress on Sep 30, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol
I will say this… if they come out flat against the Cards, I can almost guarantee you that the drums will start beating for Tom Coughlin’s head.
When is the drum ever not beating for Couglin’s head?
"The last proclamation out of Philly that meant anything was a Declaration in 1776"
"This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a s***." - Pat Hanlon the Twitter Champion
At this point the team should be preparing for his departure
But unless Pitt fires Tomlin, or GB McCarthy, there’s no compelling reason to fire him
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I'd like to see another solid week from Cruz
Another TD would be nice but if he can make some solid catches to get us up the field, that’s fine as well. Lets see some consistency.
in the slot I'd just like him to secure the ball before turning to run
take the hit if it’s coming.
I looked at that ball he missed and hit up into the air last week very closely, on slo mo, frame by frame. Just as the ball as coming to his hands he turned to see the LB coming his way across the middle.
Thankfully the ball dropped harmlessly, though it was up in the air a long time. Most times that’s a pick.
I just want him to make the catch first and not be so twitchy about the coming LB.
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Rookie thing no?
Smith did the exact same thing for a pick in the Greatest game of all time. By the next season it was done.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
yes, hopefully coachable, but may take a year
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Yes, but I don't think it goes away without playing
They could prep MM for the field, but the game play stuff like sideline awareness only improved after a season on field
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Look at his 1st qtr Td again too
He was looking up field before he caught that ball. Amazing he still caught it!
Banned from GangGreenNation for being a troll for this ONE post after somebody classified the Giants as a LUCKY organization.
He's a bitter Jets fan what do you expect?
That happens when the team you root for hasn’t won in damn near half a century!!
Sour grapes, jealousy will get you nowhere in life lol.
by bleedblue12 on Oct 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure that Cruz is a slot WR. He looked real good catching the ball near the sideline last week, but hasn’t shown the ability to catch the ball in the middle yet. Not everybody can catch the ball in the middle of the field.
The slot doesn't mean over the middle only
On the catch and run he is in the slot, and has very important blitz pick up job. When they line up in blitz he has to shorten his route. On the tape you see him turn to make eye contact with Eli to let him know he sees it.
Then he runs the rub route off Nicks(?), but shortens it to 5 yards or so, instead of a true sideline pattern. But either way it’s an outside route.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
can i see the tape that you are watching?
would love to see the eye contact.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately the NFL.Com video cuts off the play till right before the snap
I saw it on TV getting broken down by an ex coach
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Stay Hungry
Right now, everyone is saying the right things, but action speaks louder than words.
I think this underscores the entire relationship between the Giants and the media/fans. Nobody is EVER going to come out before a game and say “those guys are scrubs, we’re going to totally dominate them.” Of course they’re going to say all the right things, but we don’t know the real attitude in the locker room. It is 100% on Coughlin to make sure that they stay hungry and continue to play like they want to win.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
I agree with Pat
these are professional athletes. I don’t believe they had any doubt that they can beat Philly. This ‘in your head’ is more media BS.
I'm not sure about that?
Even a few players admitted this week, was like a weight had been lifted off their shoulders.
Success breeds confidence, it’s not the other way around.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Oct 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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