Giants Pro Football Focus Review, Week 3
by Ed Valentine on Sep 27, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
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PrintThe Pro Football Focus grades for the New York Giants in their 29-16 victory over the Philadelphia Eagles are in early this week, so let's go through them.
Offense
Ahmad Bradshaw (+4.5), Eli Manning (+2.1), Brandon Jacobs (+1.7) and Chris Snee (+1.5) came away with the best grades. The worst grades went to both Giants' offensive tackles. Will Beatty came away with an awful -3.3, allowing a sack and two pressures in his matchup with Trent Cole. On the other side, Kareem McKenzie continued his poor start to the season with a -1.8 score.
For the season, Bradshaw (+6.5), Manning (+6.4) and Snee (+5.5) have the best scores. Beatty (-1.9) has the worst. Considering that David Diehl was -22.7 for the entire season a year ago Beatty is still an upgrade. He has had two good games and one bad one.
Defense
The oft-criticized Aaron Ross came away with two interceptions on Sunday, and the highest defensive grade among all Giants (+3.6). Michael Boley (+1.8), Rocky Bernard (+1.6) and Kenny Phillips (+1.5) also scored well.
The worst grades went to Dave Tollefson (-3.8) and Antrel Rolle (-3.0). Rolle last 0.9 points for his unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
My biggest bone to pick with PFF this week is the -0.2 grade given to Jacquian Williams. I have no idea how Williams, who played a terrific game with nine tackles, can grade negatively.
For the season, Phillips is now +8.1 and the increasingly impressive Bernard is +5.6.
Special Teams
Lawrence Tynes graded at +0.9 and Steve Weatherford at -0.2. I don't particularly care. Tynes put a couple of kicks deep for touchbacks, and Weatherford had one bad punt -- but at least it went out of bounds, so who cares?
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Anyone want to give me some credit on
Saying JW was going to be a stud before training camp really started? I didn’t know goff and sintim would get injured so I guessed it would take longer, but here’s the quote:
" J.W. Is a beast, truely a gem I think. He’ll probably not get many snaps this year, but I think he could be our starter in the next two.
“I’d break every bone in my body for any club I play for but I’d die for Everton”
Dave Hickson.
by ianwestpalm on Jul 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile "
I’m just sayin’, since people are acting like we all doubted him. I was the first one applauding the kid. Haha
"I’d break every bone in my body for any club I play for but I’d die for Everton"
Dave Hickson.
by ianwestpalm on Sep 27, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would have
But now I’ve got to run to the medical supply store to get you a sling since you’ve strained your arm patting yourself on the back ;)
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 27, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The pain hurts so good. <3
"I’d break every bone in my body for any club I play for but I’d die for Everton"
Dave Hickson.
by ianwestpalm on Sep 27, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was happy with the pick
Though I have seen him play before..———————————————————>
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
You get your probs but
anyone who was clamoring for new LB’s after the draft and big names like Posluzny or whoever can kick rocks politely.
I maintained that we have young guys who will step up for the whole time and a few others did too, i just know it was a select few who were NOT screaming “The LB’z suck, we didnt draft anyone, we need to get a big proven name”….to those people i say, dont jump on the bandwagon now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Like you, I never cried for LB either.
I was more than comfortable with Boley, Goff and Kiwi. Think that’s a pretty solid LB corps. Reese knows what he’s doing, and I trust his decision making.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I has a similar sentiment.
Tust the track record people
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
by tommy d. on Sep 27, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And to you I say
You are still overhyping this LB unit as you always have. You don’t keep four rookie LBs, none being more than a 6th round draft pick, for the heck of it. If you are doing that it means what you already have in that unit is pretty bad. Now let’s remember this is the same unit that you and a couple others were hyping right up until they got dumped for these new rookies that you are now hyping.
We are still using two different players to try to make one player, only know it is Jones and JWill instead of Goff and Grant. The same rules apply. As long as either is kept to a known situation targeted to their skill set they’ll be ok, but put other in a position where they have to play the other aspect of the position and they struggle.
Keeping 4 rookies as back ups has nothing to do with the starters.
It solely has to do with the fact that they played better than, and out performed the rest of the players who were battling for a back up LB spot.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
or it means you have two guys on IR, another former 6th rounder on the PS
and a 4th rounder who didn’t pan out. That’s why you have to keep 4 rookies. And that two are playing well…well, seems some don’t like to admit it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Didn't Goff go down after final cuts?
Weren’t some billing that 4th rounder as the future replacement of Goff. Didn’t that other guy on IR fail to ever grab and hold a starting job?
Goff: No.
2: whenever you draft a player, you wonder on who he’s competing with.
The other guy on IR is on IR for two straight years.
Again, what are you trying to complain about? There’s 4 rookies on the roster cuz there were 4 open spots and guys like Kavika Mitchell are useless at this point.
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I'm just not buying the hype at this point
I don’t see the LB situation as solved, and I’m not going over the top excited because we have four rooks. Some folks would have you believe that these guys are all garunteed hall of famers, some of us know that isn’t very likely to be the case. Jones right now does not look like a complete LB. He looks like the kind of player you’d expect in the 6th round, not some major steal. JWill looks like a S/LB hybrid that fits well what Fewell likes to do in his nickel packages. Kudos to Reese for getting a round peg for Fewell’s round hole, but the guy also doesn’t look like some major steal. He wasn’t considered draft material by many as a LB because he isn’t. Playing that third safety spot previously filled by Grant is actually a good fit for him though. He’d not be very successful on a team that asked him to play as a traditional LB, and he doesn’t look like an option as a three down backer for us.
its not nearly that black and white
no one’s saying these guys are HOFers but you. That’s your term. Jones is being outplayed by Williams, who if he really is a 6"3 240lbs S/LB hybrid (he’s not, Grant is still playing that position) then that’s automatically a steal. Jones only plays the run.
Williams is all over the place on the field. I dunno what you’re looking for, I know Williams didn’t play for Missouri, but the guy is all over the field. Is he great now? No. Is he a 6th round rookie? Yes. Does he look like a long term answer at the position, you’re really gonna have to be drawing up straws in order to say that this kid doesn’t have the potential. #57 is Williams, that’s who we’re talking about. He had 10 tackles against the Eggs and was in on numerous more plays. Watch for him.
He most definitely has the makings of a major steal. But cuz he plays LB for the Giants and got drafted by Reese (tho he doesn’t pay attention in the 6th and 7th rounds..right) he’s automatically labeled as a player all these other teams considered undraftable.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
6'3" 240 lbs?
You’re giving the guy some imaginary weight there. He was listed in his draft prospect profile at 216 lbs. He has “Bulked up” to 224 lbs. He is a long ways away from 240 lbs. Hovering around that 220 LB mark he is very much a S/LB tweener. Just making garbage up hurts your credibility. If he was playing at 240 lbs I doubt you’d be as excited with home because I’m not sure his frame can handle that weight and he’d probably lose a great deal of that athleticism and flying around the field.
Grant is not playing the hybrid in the nickel anymore either. With Rolle playing nickel corner Grant is playing deep.
Basically you’re full of it. Get as uppity as you want. It’s not like I invented the notion that other teams didn’t have him on their boards as a draft quality LB. It was widely reported that he was a shock to be drafted. Now pay very close attention here, I’m not actually bashing Reese on making the pick. He at least went after the type of player that fit what his coach wanted to do, but I’m not buying into the hype right now that he is this complete LB and an amazing steal in the draft. He was drafted for the same reason as Chad Jones and he does not look like an answer as a three down complete linebacker. Playing specifically in the role he was drafted for he could be very successful. Let’s just be happy about that and leave the hype at the door.
the Giants stated he's at 238lbs
so uh…yea, keep reciting his weight from when he was in junior college. And who cares who teams have on their board? That matters when? And you say I’m full of it? LOL.
I’m not getting uppity. I’m not hyping him up. All I know is there’s a #57 on this team all over the field when the Giants are on defense. And he’s a LB. Deal with it.
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The Giants say he is 238lbs?
That’s why they list him at 224lbs?
they list him at 235, actually
oh well. I was off 3, you’re off 11.
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Trending towards truth
First 240 then 238 then 235, keep going you’ll get there. Take a look at the roster page and you’ll see 224. http://www.giants.com/team/roster.html I found a reference to 235 in a Marc Ross saying he was almost 235 during a post draft interview. In the same interview he says he played at 220 and had put on weight, that’d be quick weight that probably shed back off to him playing at a more natural 224, which is perfectly fine for his role as a S/LB hybrid.
neope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquian_Williams
235 where it stops. That’s what he is. And he’s playing LB. He and Boley play the 2 nickel LB spots. Rolle and Grant rotate at the “LB/S”.
Where else do we have to go?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Wait seriously?
You use wiki as your definitive source? I think the conversation can end right there if you use wiki as your main source.
Call him the nickel linebacker if you want, fine with me. I don’t care about the semantics, I’m talking the type of player he is. Fewell wants that tweener type guy for his nickel packages whether he is listed as a safety or a linebacker, but that guy isn’t a complete LB. He isn’t going to be in the base package playing the run.
the convo can end?
excellent. And the team page, what have you make errors on weights all the time. Rookies are rarely if ever their true weights, they just go with their college weights (which Williams was most definitely 225lbs). He’s not anymore, its been stated, but not update. Take from that what you will…I really don’t care at this point.
And yes, he’d be in the base package if Michael Boley wasn’t on this team. He will be Boley’s replacement.
Terribly sorry.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The convo about weight can end
when your definitive source is wiki. You know the place where I could go type he weighs 150lbs.
So up above you said he was outplaying Jones for a spot, but now he is Boley’s replacement. Aren’t those two different spots? If we for arguments sake say you are right doesn’t that still leave us with holes in the linebacker unit that need to be addressed? Maybe just maybe he was a late round flyer to see if he could fit as a situational role player that is working out as such and isn’t god’s gift to the NY Giants LB core? Nah, couldn’t be, crank up the homer hype machine and let’s get this party started.
wiki is rarely wrong on stuff like this since its constantly updated
the roster pages, however aside from depth charts, are out of date. They never change after the final roster at least when it comes to heights and weights. But again, tread as you please. You can use your out of date source, I’ll use one that has consistently been found to be correct regarding things like this.
And no, Jones vs. Williams isn’t as specific as their positions. Its playing time. Goff played where Williams is and he had problems against the pass. Williams is a LB. He’s playing LB and will continue to be an LB.
We took a late round flier, sure. But he’s turning out to be a gem. But no, lets play the anti-Reese card and try and label an obvious ‘hit’ on a draft pick, at LB no less, as someone who plays a different position. And lets call people homers and break out the rose glasses schpiel when they don’t see your obvious bias against any Reese pick, especially the LBezers.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Constantly updated by who?
Anyone who feels like it. By the way the edit history shows that it hadn’t been updated since it was first created just after the draft by some random person. The 235 lbs likely coming from the Marc Ross interview. It hadn’t been update since, so I updated it to match the team and NFL listings just to prove the point. Feel free to go back in and change it to something different because currently your source doesn’t support you.
You got caught being wrong, deal. You’re going at me about being anti-Reese is pretty silly when I gave him credit multiple times in this thread for getting the type of player his coach was looking for. I’m pulling out the homer card on you because you can’t just be happy that he is proving to be a good situational player. You’ve got to take it over the top that he is this big LB hit. It’s not like it’s the first time you’ve been called out as a homer, get over it already. God forbid anyone think any player wearing blue isn’t the greatest thing alive for pete’s sake. Why can’t we just be real, appreciate what we have, and acknowledge what we are still missing?
I've been correct the whole time,
Williams is 235lbs. The sooner its dealt with the sooner this can stop. And it’ll get changed back to his real weight. Also updating with facetious info can get you in trouble, so FYI there.
I get called as a homer when every little negative nancy gets called out as such. Again, no one’s saying he’s great. No one’e saying he’s a HOFer. Just more hyperbole from a self imposed Reese hater.
Williams is playing very well. At LB. Reese drafted him. Can we just acknowledge this already?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You are supposed to have a source for the info
The official listed weight would be a source. The current definitive source actually. The source you’ll be using to change it is?
Williams is playing well as a situational nickel linebacker, which if you read through I have said from the beginning.
[img]http://www.giants.com/assets/images/imported/NYG/photos/williams_article.jpg[/img]
It doesn’t take wiki to tell you this is not a 240lb man. Enjoy what you have, but don’t expect this guy to be a force against the run.
and now we're just looking at a random picture to say how big he is?
he looks bigger then Boley. Boley is 235. So is he 235 or is he bigger?
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the source is there
your “source” I’ve already said is wrong.
And you’re trying to downgrade him as “situational” when in reality, he played a bulk of the game. A a LB. Unless playing most of the game is the situation, on which case everyone is just situational.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Source is where
Wiki is your source for wiki? WTF? Yeah you said my source was wrong, with nothing to back that up, so…. You’re wrong. Ha, I said you’re wrong so that is fact now, that’d be your logic no?
The picture by the way is just punctuate the point that you can see he is a slender build. I wouldn’t say he looks any bigger than Boley. Boley by the way is officially listed at 230 lbs, but his wiki page says 223, so by your wiki is right logic Boley is only 223lbs, right? Boley by the way was also considered to be a nickel backer only, which is why he fell out of favor in Atlanta. He has been pointed out in analysis here in NY as weak at the point of attack.
Playing the Eagles was a special situation. They are basically a college style offense of speedy receivers and a running QB. The strategy was obviously play speed against speed. We gave up plenty of yards on the ground but overall the strategy worked. Can’t use that same strategy against all teams.
He's not a S/LB hybrid.
He’s just simply a LB. Stop making up a position for him.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He plays nickel lb
He is a S/LB hybrid body type. Use the word tweener if you prefer. I’m discussing the player physical type not the position.
He's still a linebacker.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 28, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Who care s about his weight!
The bottom line is the guy is getting done in this system and that’s all you can ask for. The rest is Bull shit.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Read my post
I said playing in the role he was in intended for he can be successful. Let’s enjoy that and drop all the hype about how he has solved the linebacker situation and is this complete answer.
I dunno, I don't
all I know is we have 2 235lbs LBs who play a ton since we like to play 3 safeties and 2LBs a lot.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Exactly
His weight doesnt matter, through out the season a players weight fluxuates, as long as his strength doesnt, it doesnt matter……Tuck was listed at 275 in 07 during the season but by the superbowl he was 261….who cares.
Williams is a LB….stop with the tweener type nonsense, he plays LB and is damn good at it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
"Now let’s remember this is the same unit that you and a couple others were hyping right up until they got dumped for these new rookies that you are now hyping."
Who got dumped?? Goff got hurt man, thats it.
Oh yea and the fact that we have 4 rookie backers speaks very very very very highly of Goff, Boley and Kiwi!!!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Credit to u sir.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
by tommy d. on Sep 27, 2011 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ed
Just out of curiosity how did JPP grade out with his 2 sacks and 9 tackles?
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 27, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
Pro football focus released a statement saying:
“We’ve decided we’re no longer going to list JPPs’ (yeah you know me), rating since we can’t count that high.”
"I’d break every bone in my body for any club I play for but I’d die for Everton"
Dave Hickson.
by ianwestpalm on Sep 27, 2011 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he is a flash in the pan
However, the flash seems likely to last his entire career. Get him on the blimp.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 27, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He sacked the blimp :-(
He got held (uncalled) by the ground crew on the first attempt, but then he got the sack in the 2nd quarter.
I heard the refs complained about him being called on it
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Who Cares
Been watching football for 50 years. I trust more what I see that PFF nonsense.
These ratings and numbers are meaningless, so far as I’m concerned. Just another stupid gimmick to sell their goods. Ignore their analysis. It is not worth anything.
Jwill and Beatty played very well, I saw it and PFF garbage doesnt impress me at all.
Marfar
PFF
Is just a tool we use for discussion. I don’t always agree with their grades, but it gives us a way to quantify what we see.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 27, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what else is garbage?
Analysis based on memory and selection bias from human memory. Especially from one that isn’t a professional. Wow two people can play the garbage game, who knew?
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
And I LOL
at your attempt to think you watched every facet of the game in a couple days where you know what happened on every play to every player. What a joke.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Weatherford
I don’t see how you can give him a pass on shanking a 27 yard punt at a critical time in the game. His first punt was on the hash and DJ had a 10 yard bubble, they got extremely lucky that wasn’t a big return. He’s no upgrade over Dodge with -10 on the leg.
well I def give him a pass
How do you think a punter most feel when hes told his target is the out of bounds marker. Its like telling a Baseball player to hit foul balls all game . O but try to hit them far.
It was ridiculous. This kick coverage needs to step the f*ck up. and im glad he shanked one because it prompted them to kick the f*cking ball.
With that he still had a 41 avg. and 1 nicely placed on the 10. Bad game to judge IMO.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
Every punter
is asked to kick the ball out of bounds on occasion. It’s part of their job description and not some kind of anomaly. Failing to do it when instructed is a failure, just as much as a shanked punt. Dodge’s failure to kick the ball out of bounds last year is what sealed his fate. Weatherford didn’t even have the excuse of a bad snap. He just got lucky that the return was only 10 yards or so and not a touchdown. He had a lousy game.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 27, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
not understanding
how 1 punt THAT go’s out of bounds, all be it short gets you " a lousy game."
Every punter
is asked to kick the ball out of bounds on occasion
occasion being the key word.
is that what he was asked because it looked like a freaking asinine game plan to me!! And if you take the time to dig a little deeper you’ll find its Tom (&%!!^((*) Quinns shortcomings that call for such ridiculous game planning.
give me a break a punters job is to make “kicks” and get your team the best possible field position to defend . something he dos pretty well. how ya think Dodge would have fared with that plan?
he didnt have a great game nor a good one but in this Giant fans opinion he gets a mulligan.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I don't like Tom Quinn or the Giants' coverage
But that doesn’t change the fact that if a punter is instructed to punt out of bounds and doesn’t do so it’s a mistake — whether it’s the right game plan or not. Some returners are so dangerous that that is a good strategy (Devin Hester), and a good punter need s to be able to execute that strategy when it’s appropriate. Dodge would have looked a lot better last season if the coverage were better. Like you, I hope Weatherford does better in the future.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Any one find the PFF on JPP?
He should have graded out well, curious as to what he got.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions
JPP
He was +0.8, with a +3.4 on the pass rush, but he took a hit for run defense and a penalty.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 27, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Ed,
I’ll take it, like to see him not have a drop off in run defense, but I’m nit picking. He continues to impress, and for someone that’s started 3 NFL games, he looks like he was in the pro bowl, last year, which is a great sign.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair grade
He was a beast rushing the passer. He run defense was OK.
I thought Beatty had a nice game
It is true he gave up 2 pressures and one sack butthe rest of the game he kept Cole at bay.
I’m really starting to get more and more confident about WB. When he was drafted I was very hopeful then he kind disappointed me and I started doubting he would be really be able to be a good starting LT.
But so far he has shown a lot of potential again.
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Beatty
I am also comfortable with him. I said during the week he was going to need help with Trent Cole — that is hardly easy work.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 27, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Same on Beatty
Coming out of the draft I felt he could be a solid starter at LT, Kind of like a Luke Pettigout, but athletic. Then the last two years he became a bit of an after thought, and people started to wonder if he’d ever crack the starting lineup. Well, he has, and he’s pretty good. Kudos to management for bringing the kid along slowly and not throwing him to the wolves until he was ready.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
If he has a solid year, look for Reese to lock him up long term at a good price for the cap.
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by tommy d. on Sep 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally
He needs to go agains the best to be one of the best at his position.
I don’t if he would ever end up being an elite LT but he could at least be a solid starter.
Thank you coach Flaherty ;)
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I don't see anyone much better in the NFC East
Plus he is still improving which is exciting. He came into UCONN as a TE so we’ve always known he had the feet for the position. Now he’s getting better technique.
by Madhops on Sep 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
+1
Even with AB chipping Cole he still got the sack against Beatty
And.....??????
That stuff happens. This is the NFL. Perhaps on that Beatty was out of position off the chip or AB did not chip correctly or Cole was really motivated.
Does not really matter how a player got a sack or disrupted the play, it is more about the entire game and taking it as a whole body of work and not individual plays.
That is a problem with the PFF grading system.
was replying
to Ed that Beatty needed help with Cole. Nothing more. Nothing less.
When Jacobs chipped him
damn near decleated him!!! loved that he went reeling
by DizzyMillenium on Sep 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of Curiosity
Ed…how did Trent Cole grade against Beatty? I thought Beatty played well. His name was hardly called at all which says he was doing something right. Especially against a guy like Cole.
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LOL
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Bravo! LOL
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by tommy d. on Sep 27, 2011 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
-1
Vick’s not worthy to wash Apollo’s American Flag Shorts.
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by BleedBigBlue on Sep 27, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Beatty has faced cole and orakpo. He has given up 1 sack between them.
Win.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 27, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions
I feel that
right now most of the pressure comes from the middle. Between Diehl and Baas.
I’ll excuse Baas because he just got in town and didn’t have a full offseason to adapt but I’m very disappointed with Diehl. I thought that putting him back at LG would make things easier for him and that he would perform better. Obviously I was wrong…
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Boothe
might be a better option at LG. Or Petrus?
I dunno
Maybe it’s time to give it a try.
Maybe Diehl is still the best LG we have on the team. The coaches evaluate the players throughout the week and if Petrus or Boothe had been playing well in practice, Diehl would have been benched a long time ago.
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Diehl has gotten better each game.
Still not great, but he’s improving, and that’s all you can ask for. He looked like he had never played offensive lineman against the skins, Sunday he was hardly noticed, which is always a good thing for an o-lineman.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If go from sucking a lot to sucking
It doesn’t make any difference.
It is indeed a good thing that he is improving rather than regressing but it’s not enough yet.
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Didn't say it was enough,
he’s still the weak spot on the line, but he has improved, even if only marginally so, each game, and there’s no one else on the roster that is better or should be playing LG right now.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus him getting use to that spot is expected
i wouldnt pass judgement til after week 8……where i maintain that Diehl Bass and Snee will be the best interior linemen unit in the game.
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Yup
and given the way Cole abused the Falcons tackle the week before I’m not gonna complain about a sack and a couple pressures. You just want to keep a guy like that from being highly disruptive & Beatty did that.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 27, 2011 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eli
has also finally realized to take a sack as opposed to throwing a pic…thats a good thing
In the past PFF would of tagged Eli for the pic and not placed any blame on the lineman
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
The new QBR
penalizes a QB for taking a sack. Giants fans have learned the sack can be a good thing.
ESPN QBR?
OR PFF
personally unless money is involved you can make numbers look however you want
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Did they break JWill's score down run vs pass
I’m thinking how far down the field a lot of those tackles were might be part of the dip in score. In Fewell’s scheme JWill is the spill player, clean up player, whatever you want to call it, he is going to have a high tackle stat because the play has been designed for other guys to soak up the blocks leaving JWill clean to make the tackle. If he makes that tackle ten yards down the field it doesn’t help.
well
One of his tackles was on a 3 yard completion to Celek, and I know he had one tackle for loss on a running play. I’d be surprised if the Giants defensive scheme was designed to keep the play clean for J Williams to make the tackle. To the extent he was making tackles down the field I think at least some of those were plays where he was just using his speed to catch up with a play that was not really in his area. It may be possible that he was out of position on some of those McCoy cutbacks. That’s a typical rookie mistake, especially for someone with speed, and he may have been downgraded for that.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 27, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The idea is to have other guys stuff up the run lanes up the middle. You force the back to go horizontal first and have to take it outside where you have a speedy spill player such as the Will or a safety come up and tackle them in space. Because you’ve forced the runner to take it to the edge you’ve eliminated him getting forward yards. You spill player should be clean to make the tackle because the blockers tried to clear the middle. Your spill player needs to be smacking him as he comes around though. If he stays back and waits for him he is giving up yards. If he pokes his head inside and has to chase back out from the backside he is giving up yards.
I think
you’re exaggerating the negatives about Williams to reinforce a preconceived point. You don’t like Reese. And you have a preference for old school 3 down linebackers in a league where that role is diminishing. Williams hasn’t established himself yet, and he makes his share of mistakes, but just as with Goff last year, you are trying to pin every bad play on him. The Giants premier defensive players are defensive linemen. I doubt that their defined role is to keep J Williams clear to be a tackling machine. That may be the Ravens’ strategy for Ray Lewis, but that’s not how the Giants are scheming things.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 27, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Philly.com calls BS on Vick's whining
What’s the point here? Vick was hit 13 times on Sunday, and there were two questionable no-calls. So does he have a case?
Not really. Refs miss calls all the time. In Week 2, Jason Babin had a pretty blatant late hit on Matt Ryan, but there was no flag. Just yesterday, Babin grabbed Manning’s facemask as he sacked him, but there was no penalty.
I don’t think refs are targeting Vick. The truth is, he’s probably just a difficult player to officiate, just like he’s a difficult player to block for and a difficult player to defend. Vick does things no other player in the league is capable of, which might be part of the reason he thinks he’s being targeted.
ESPN’s NFL Live looked it up, and only six teams in the NFL have benefited from more roughing the passer penalties than the Eagles since the start of the 2010 season. The Eagles have had more of those calls (5) than any other team in the NFC East.
Vick was frustrated Sunday, and understandably so. But the proof from the game shows he was probably off-base in thinking the refs purposely treat him differently.
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I think his brain was just scrambled
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by Rorschach44 on Sep 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, he did not look right
Saw a lot of plays where he just hung back when he would have normally taken off. I think he was fuzzy in the head (more so than normal) and was timid. It’s like most qbs try to protect themselves by running out of bounds, sliding, etc… while vick in his messed up state seemed to think holding on to the ball then tossing it at the last second and then crumpling up while large men jumped on him was a method of self preservation…
it's refreshing
very fair and unbiased reporting. I wonder how the Eagles fans feel?
+1 for logic from.... Eagles fans?
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know if this was discussed in other threads but...
Is anyone starting to believe that Steve Smith is in fact a double agent sent by the Giants to destroy the Eagles from the inside?
I mean he had tipped pass intercepted and missed a catch in the endzone (kudos to KP on that one). He just caugh a huge pass on a 4th down to calm suspicions from the Eagles bench, don’t you think?
(Just kidding but that thought made me smile just like when I read a piece a couple of years ago about Belichick sending his former assistants coaches and players to destroy other teams from the inside: Mangini, McDaniels, Cassel…)
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Steve Smith...
Tipped up plenty of passes last season before he got hurt.
As for the gradings, where’s the really high grade for JPP? The guy was an absolute monster, and if there weren’t several blatant holds (many of which were not called), he would have had 4-5 sacks. Still came away with 9 tackles, 2 sacks, and praise from future Hall of Famer Michael Strahan.
I’ve always felt Osi benefitted from the guy opposite of him, and that’s where a lot of his success came from. With Pierre-Paul, we now have two ends that the opponent has to respect with a double team, though the problem is that they simply don’t have enough linemen.
Also...
I wonder what Nnamdi’s grading is. He got ripped pretty thoroughly, as did the rest of the Eagle’s secondary.
by Max Schwager on Sep 27, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what we call...
A Dream Team EPIC FAIL lol
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Oh yeah!
JPP has shown that he doesn’t need Tuck to perform and I LOVE IT!
I have to admite that I was disappoint to see McClain go the Raiders in the 2010 Draft and didn’t know what to expect from JPP. I wasn’t expecting much until his 3rd year. The kid has just be terrific so far!
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I wonder if JPP can play tackle...
Osi, Canty, JPP, and Tuck on the line would be unstoppable
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As long as we aren't playing the Colts...
Well, that’s essentially what we tried last season for the entire game. Manning would just run audible and our guys would get knocked back.
Honestly, if we had the depth at linebacker to do it, I’d rather see the three end sets include Kiwanuka, JPP, Tuck, and Canty. But I guess we can’t have everything…
by Max Schwager on Sep 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
where would Osi go? Gotta play DE...
Tuck can play DT with JPP at DE
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The NASCAR formation was supposed to be
From Right End to Left End: Osi, JPP, Tuck, Kiwi
I can’t remember who gave them that nickname during the 09 Training Camp but it looked pretty cool. Hopefully we would get a chance to see that once Osi returns.
I’m not a big fan of Tolly playing DT though…
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True
I think in 09 with Sheridan (sigh) they had a similar formation with a 5-1-5 defense…. Canty, Osi, Kiwi, Tuck, Barry on the line at the same time
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That would have been dangerous
And not in a good way. If a runner passed the line, he would have just 1 LB to beat to get a lot of yards before a DB could stop him.
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yeap
they only used it during training camp… I assume on 3rd and long situations
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep I meant 2010
But who is “he”? JPP?
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Didn't see you mentionned Fewell
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Well
He could be brought out on third and long situations. Replace Canty and then have the full DE set.
Or, there’s got to be a stationary bike somewhere…
by Max Schwager on Sep 27, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It's at Beckum's house
He put so many miles on it, they just gave it to him.
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by BleedBigBlue on Sep 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
No not at all
according to ESPN we are honorable mention for DLine strength.
Eagles got the nod before us……
I think it was written before the game
They are a dream team
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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considering for a lot of the game they had JPP-Canty/Bernard-Tollefson-Tuck
I’d say they’ll do it. Whether it works…I dunno, sunce McCoy seemed to gash the hell out of that whenever that lineup was in the game.
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by Rorschach44 on Sep 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Seemed like when Kiwi started attacking every run McCoys yardage was more controlled
He didnt make the tackles, but he forced the play to resolve faster, didnt let Shady string us out and deke us
Another example of a guy not getting takles but being effective
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I'd slide Tuck in and move JPP to right end on rushing downs
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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
I would slide Tuck and JPP inside
and Osi at RE with Kiwi at LE……………Cant wait to have the NASCAR back.
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Let's keep showing them
how a guy who nobody wanted in the 2010 Draft beat a guy everybody wanted this summer :)
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Yeah, that killed me...
It also killed me that the Eagles were giving the game away to the Giants, or at least, if you just listened to the broadcast, you would think that.
The same thing the MNF crew did during the Giants/Rams game. For some reason, the Giants don’t win football games unless the opponent hands it to them.
by Max Schwager on Sep 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
It's kind of true
We can’t say the Giants beat the Rams. They didn’t play well. They just made fewer mistakes than the Rams.
Against the Eagles it was a lot better but we still saw frustrating mistakes like drops and Beckum and blown coverages… But overall it was good because the Giants took advantage of the Eagles mistake, were effective on 3rd downs, stopped the Eagles in the Redzone and didn’t shoot themselves in the foot.
The Giants won the game but we can’t ignore that the Eagles helped them a bit.
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I meant that
The commentators can’t just say that the Giants outplayed their opponent. It’s always something else.
The Giants played well in both games. Yes, there were still things to improve on, but overall, we outplayed both teams.
by Max Schwager on Sep 27, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah OK
Got it ;)
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the Giants looked like a different team last week
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Thats the team we better see all season
even with the injuries, they are still a group that can give good teams problems.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
meaning Sunday's team
last Monday’s Giant team… I never wanna see again
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, that team can show up,
it was still a good enough team to win a game. I never, ever want to see the team that showed up against the Skins week 1, that was a very bad team.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The team that beat the Rams
Probably wouldn’t have beat the Eagles IMO.
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Very possible
but it’s nice to know that even when your team plays poorly, it can still win. Not a lot of teams can play bad and still win games. Unless you’re the Dallas Cowboys playing the Redskins last night.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm fine with that
Coaches always say that more teams lose games than win them. and, over the last 2 years or so, we damn well know this to be true.
Hell, the Falcons went 13-3 last season by not losing games. They didn’t screw up and give games away, and took all the hidden yardage from the refs.
The Giants could be better, even with all the injuries. We might not have Roddy White or Gonzalez… but we also don’t have a generic brand vanilla defense.
BS.
Cowboys made fewer mistakes than the Skins last night, only reason they won the game. For Christ’s sake, their kicker was their best player. When the Cowboys win like that, they won, they deserved to win, when the Giants win like that, the other team handed them the game. What complete garbage that is.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't be such a homer
You are smarter than that.
What is said about the Cowboys only concerns the Cowboys. We all know this is a team loved by the media and it will keep being like this.
As for the Giants we can’t really say (without being a homer) that they beat a good Eagles team. Missed tackles, poor play calling, injuries, poor execution in the redzone, etc… the Eagles shot themselves in the foot just like the Giants did the last couple of years. It’s a fact.
Someone said here that (too lazy to check who it was sorry ^^) in the NFL, there are more teams not losing games than teams truly winning them and I think it’s true.
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"Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination." Winston Churchill
So
if both teams had brought their best game, who do you think would have won?
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by BleedBigBlue on Sep 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with being a homer. Your fishing here.
You take how the Eagles played against us, and how the cowboys played, and won last night, Eagles win that game. All I’m saying is that at least on ESPN, it was talked about how the Eagles lost the game, not how the Giants beat them, but on MNF after the game, the Cowboys went out and beat down the Redskins, which was simply not true. The Redskins made more mistakes that cost them the game, any good coach would tell you as such. Yet, the Cowboys were praised for beating the Redskins, and the Giants were given a gift of sorts because Vick got banged up. It’s rubbish. Give credit where credit is due, that’s all. If you’re goign to say the Cowboys beat the Redskins, say the Giants beat the Eagles, not the Eagles played poorly and the Giants were able to find a way to win. That’s garbage, the Giants man handled the Eagles all game.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I know ESPN has a bias, and loves the Cowboys,
but it’s ridiculous to see that they can’t even given an unbiased, fair recap of a game.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw
This quote right here makes me wonder where everyone has been all of this time, well, as far as media coverage goes…
“Ahmad Bradshaw was something of a revelation in 2010. The pocket dynamo was a strong runner and a dynamic weapon after the catch, particularly on screens. On this evidence he is the same player in 2011, and last year we were witnessing a real coming out party rather than an anomalous high-tide mark.”
Just watching Bradshaw in 2007, I was always hoping the Giants would get him into the mix right away, but that didn’t really happen until Ward left. But even in 2009, Bradshaw was still the same running back, making exciting plays on broken feet. I jammed my toe the other day and couldn’t walk. This guy played and played well on broken feet.
I wonder when he’s going to get credit. He’s not the fastest guy, but he goes from dead stop to full speed faster than anybody I can name right now, and I think that ability is so underrated. Pound-for-pound, probably the most physical runner in the league too.
Anybody see where LeSean McCoy came out and got stopped going laterally on a third and two? Buck was talking about how you need to get going downhill, and on the ensuing drive, Bradshaw takes that same run for a first down and more. He just has more acceleration, and he plays like a man twice his size.
I love when the Giants are underrated
because I get to tell “in your face!” to a lot of haters ^^
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Always remember that the USA is an independant country partly because of the French. If it was not for the French, you would be watching rugby and TV ads for tea and roastbeef.
Thanks to the French, Americans can enjoy the NFL every Sunday :)
Well said Max
Bradshaw is a beast. Hardest runner in the league and he has been holding on to the rock. Knocks on wood.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Even though I look forward to seeing them, I don't have much faith in PFF scores
Take JPP, he got downgraded for a penalty and his play against the run. They can’t really know what JPPs responsibility on the run was. Could well be it was his job to occupy blockers and gum things up, let some of the faster guys swarm McCoy.
Same with Beatty.
All that said it’s nice to hear what some objective eyeballs think of our guys.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
You always have to put stats in perspective
It never tells the whole story.
Winston Churchill once said “Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination.”
New York Giants French blog (with croissants and wine)
Always remember that the USA is an independant country partly because of the French. If it was not for the French, you would be watching rugby and TV ads for tea and roastbeef.
Thanks to the French, Americans can enjoy the NFL every Sunday :)
didn't JP have 8 tackles
OK 2 were sacks, but you don’t get 6 tackles as a DE and not play the run well.
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by Rorschach44 on Sep 27, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And how do you grade a guy for manhandling the other teams best OL
That had a lot to do with everything else. They had to help Peters, and that made opportunities for everyone else.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
PFF Grading
http://www.profootballfocus.com/about/grading/
this might help understand their grading.
Am I the only one......
who think the Eagles were out-coached in this game. We were throwing things at them that they never saw before, or maybe they were just so over confident since all they could remember was last years come from behind victory. Great game plan and great execution.
Outcoached
Outplayed, outsmarted, out-whatever-you-like…
The conclusion is the same: the Giants won :D
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Always remember that the USA is an independant country partly because of the French. If it was not for the French, you would be watching rugby and TV ads for tea and roastbeef.
Thanks to the French, Americans can enjoy the NFL every Sunday :)
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"Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination." Winston Churchill
Over the losing streak, Reid could practically do no wrong
His gadgets worked, his 4th down calls worked, their efficiency in the red zone was high
But you look like a genius when you send out an onside kick and your opponent blows the prep. Or when there is stumbled snap and the opponent misses a huge play by a finger nail. The Eagles looked like the Eagles to me, I think they had become so accustomed to making all the big plays against us when they didn’t it fell apart on them.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
we pretty much stomped them in every conceivable way, aside from the mccoy runs
by MrDollarBills on Sep 27, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
4-12 team
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by Rorschach44 on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis Beckum
is going to be an awesome player
by MrDollarBills on Sep 27, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
difference is, I never said that.
I said I’d like to see him involved more.
You, on the other hand, have been beating the 4-12 drum.
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Agreed there. Ye of little faith.
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SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
PFF
we need to remember a score of 0.0 is average.
Agreed.
A positive grade is a +. Even -0.whatever, isn’t a bad game.
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"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say again what I said in preseason
Getting Bernard back at that contract was the single best move this team made. Bernard is SO under-appreciated.
Real men don't eat honey. They chew bees. - Gilbert Yvel
That, and re-signing Bradshaw.
Where would we be without AB?
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Da'Rel Scott
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"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder then if you added up all the PFF scores over a season if it would equal 0.0 collectively
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I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Very astute question.
I think it’s more on a week-to-week basis though. So more appropriately, If you add up the PFF scores for every player at a specific position for any given week, they’d better add to 0 otherwise their whole system is flawed.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 27, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that is how it works
It is play by play. Did what you were supposed to equals zero, failed to do what you were supposed to minus, exceeded what you were supposed to plus. That also makes it not an equivalent rating system position to position. A blocker for example doesn’t have the same opportunity to exceed what he is supposed to as a RB.
That makes more sense
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by BleedBigBlue on Sep 28, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
tight end
What’s with that tight end they brought in for one play. Made a nice catch, got banged out of bounds, and done? Injured after one hit? Saw where Boss made 2 catches for Raiders. Not sure what impact he had. Tight end doesn’t look like a skill position this year. Also JPP looked hurt near end of game. Any report on that?
JPP was cramps.
And the TE was Ballard who has been playing the past 3 games.
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Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And Ballard is fine.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 27, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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