Michael Vick: Is He Right About The Officiating?
by Ed Valentine on Sep 26, 2011 9:31 AM EDT
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[Note by Ed Valentine, 09/26/11 12:59 PM EDT : Now Eagles coach Andy Reid says Michael Vick's hand is not broken and he might play this week.]
Is Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick right that NFL officials don't protect him the way they do other quarterbacks? After Sunday's loss to the New York Giants Vick said "something catastrophic" was going to happen if he doesn't get more calls.
"Not to blame the refs or say that it was their fault. Its' just one of those unfortunate situations and I just think more precautions should be taken when I'm inside the pocket. I mean if you look at all the replays, I'm on the ground every time," Vick said.
He went on to complain that he thought some of the hits he took from the Giants on Sunday were late.
"Everybody saw the game. I was on the ground constantly. All of the time. Every time I throw the ball in all my highlights and just watching film in general, every time I throw the ball I'm on the ground, getting hit in the head and I don't know why," Vick said. "I don't get the 15-yard flags like everybody else does but hey- I'm not going to complain about it. I'm just making everybody aware and hopefully somebody will take notice."
Obviously I don't watch every Eagles game, so I can't comment on the hits Vick takes each week. I can say this, though. He is different than any quarterback who has ever played, whether he wants to admit it or not. He plays differently, he runs differently. He doesn't run looking for a place to hide, he runs looking to attack. There is a difference.
As for Sunday, I did not think any of the hits the Giants laid on Vick were late or cheap at all. Let's look at a few hits that come to mind.
- The hit by Dave Tollefson after the interception: Tollefson blasted an unsuspecting Vick from the side, knocking him hard to the ground following Aaron's Ross's first-quarter interception. Nothing wrong with this hit at all. If Vick doesn't want to take a chance on getting hit there, he can't go run into the middle of the fray and try to get in on the tackle. Vick's fault, and perfectly OK by Tollefson.
- The hit by Chris Canty that probably broke Vick's hand. I didn't think this one was late, either. It came just as Vick released the ball and Canty really could not have avoided hitting him. The Giants defensive tackle hit Vick in the chest with a shoulder, neither player's helmet was involved at all. Just unfortunate for Vick that his hand was in the way.
- A hit in the helmet Vick took when sacked by Jason Pierre-Paul. On this play, Vick did take a shot in the head -- but it was his fault. Scrambling to his left, Vick stopped and tried to change direction. Pierre-Paul was bearing down on him, though, and Vick ducked his head directly into the oncoming chest of the Giants' defender. So, basically, Vick got himself hit in the head there.
- Rocky Bernard driving Vick to the turf. I'm sure this one hurt -- a lot. Bernard plowed Vick into the turf with all of his 300+ pounds, but he hit him clean exactly as Vick was letting go of the ball. An Eagles player took exception to the hit, but it was a perfect, clean shot by the Giants defensive tackle.
I am sure there were other hits, but those are the ones that come to mind immediately Nothing wrong with any of them. Vick was admittedly frustrated after the game, and he takes a lot of hits, but I really don't believe the Giants gave him anything to complain about on Sunday.
Oh, and one piece of advice for the Eagles quarterback. Wear your mouth guard, for crying out loud! I can't believe Andy Reid and the Eagles organization can allow a guy who takes the punishment Vick does -- and just had a concussion -- to play without one.
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I read some shitty article on espn last night saying him missing a few weeks could be good for them. Trying to find a silver lining I suppose.
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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 26, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea i saw that too
what an idiot, the eagles have a gimme against san fran next but surprisingly tough matchups with the bills and redskins next
how the fuck does it help your team if your best player doesn’t play?
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by GMen56-11 on Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"tough matchups with the bills and redskins next"
not a phrase I imagined hearing this year, but nonetheless accurate
by giantsnetsmets on Sep 26, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
3 to 4 weeks with a broken non-throwing hand?
A fellow Giants fan said last night he thinks it’s a coverup for Vicks’ concussion because he shouldn’t have played this weekend. I happen to agree. There’s no doubt Vicks’ had his ‘clock’ rung on the hit from Canty.
imo
its every hit that has an effect on your brain. If your brain shakes..ur going to feel it if you have a concussion. Regardless if you pass mental tests or not.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
according to WFAN hand is not broken
That said Vick sounds like a female dog with his complaints. if you don’t want to get smacked around like Jay Cutler tell your coach to get you a lineman instead of a corner.
Oh and if you want to see cheap/late hits check out a Brian Dawkins highlight reel. His dirty hit on Ike Hilliard comes to mind.
by Madhops on Sep 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Dawkins was cheap but he was good too
I am sure glad Andy Reid was stupid enough to let him go, because Eagles have not replaced him yet. that guy should have retired an Eagle.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
only a bruise
and just a mild concussion, he should be out there next week
by Cruz Control on Sep 26, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's kinda wrong
I never root for injuries, or revel in them.
You shouldn’t either. You become like Eagle fans who cheered Michael Irvin when he was laying on the turf unable to move. Just classless. (And I hated Irvin too.)
Football is Footballl....
and it is a violent game period, for anyone who steps on to that field. Do some of the other QB’s in the league enjoy what is called “Micheal Jordanesque calls” the answer is YES! Brady and Manning will not be touched that much without a flag coming out, so he does have a point to at least start to look at.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 26, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions
Apples to oranges
Vick vs Brady & Peyton is comparing way different QBs. Brady & Peyton don’t get hit that much (usually) because they get the ball out quickly & throw the ball before receivers even get open. Vick holds onto the ball and waits until a receiver is actually open. It’s much different & explains why he gets hit in the pocket so often. Same reason that Cutler gets hit so often too. Well, that and his O-line sucks.
Except in the playoffs
Then all QBs get hit
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
glad you pointed that out
In 2007, If we don’t rattle Brady’s cage as hard and as often as we did, I don’t think we win that game. Everyone talks so much about the “catch” but it was Strahan, Osi, Tuck, Alford and Mitchell with all the hits, sacks and forced fumbles that allowed the Catch to be relavent.
Vick’s voiced frustration makes me appreciate easy Eli’s responses in his postgame interviews. Almost the same demeanor wirh both wins and losses. I also think he was pretty pissed at his O-line, but it wasn’t their fault as much as it was the Giants front four. Big kudus go out to JPP, Tuck, Canty, Tollifson, Bernard, Linval and Kennedy
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Anything, he gets more calls than other Qbs. Not quite Brady and Peyton, but certainly more than average including Eli. I’ve seen Vick get 15to yard calls for getting hit with the football while he’s still in bounds. The referees go out of their way to help him up. Grow up Mike
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by 3 already on Sep 26, 2011 9:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t think any of them were outside the rules either.
by JimmyK on Sep 26, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Obvious frutration.
Dude got beat up, broke his hand, and had his worst game in years.
He shouldn’t have challenged the NFL like that (especially in a game where Eli had his facemask grabbed in the pocket and no flag was thrown), but I can certainly see why he was upset.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 26, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh I was screaming " FACEMASK!" at the top of my lungs
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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 26, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
frustrated
more with his OL than the refs. He’s not going to call out his oline.
Complaining about the Ref's could have the opposite effect, not a good idea
Vick needs to look at his protection, Canty looked like he was coming in un blocked, Vick is holding on to the ball trying to let guys get open down the field. Eagles have to do a better job of protecting him, more max protection.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I think Mr. Vick’s comments should get his own team instant replay reviews on every play in the pocket just be sure nothing illegal was happening. “Just saying” Ohhh, your O-linemen hold on every play? Well, lets retrospectively call those on those reviews as well.
I think the OL has played well so far this season. It’s actually been a pleasant surprise. But holy crap, Vick is holding onto the ball for a freaking eternity. If they go max protect, Vick might get more time… but there’s a good chance he just holds onto it even longer (half-serious).
Your OTs have played well
The middle of your line goes backwards way too fast. It especially hurts Vick, he’s shorter and faster, if he can only go outside, it puts him in the crosshairs much faster. Kelce has looked OK, but it’s hard to tell when the middle is concaving.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
That's what I see as well.
The middle is not that good and Vick holds the ball a looooong time!
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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How much blame is on the Eagles coaches?
I agree. Vick holds the ball a long time. Is it Vick or is it partially the plays that take too long to develop?
By the way Jimmy, congrats on the shout out you got on the ESPN site
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that's really the key
The running qbs always think they can make a play or get away so they hang on to the ball forever. Vick never throws the ball away. Didn’t McNabb lead the league in sacks a few times?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
No idea if McNabb ever led the league, but early in his career he took a lot of sacks. It’s weird – Vick actually threw like 8 passes away Week 1, and then he just stopped doing it. Very unpredictable player.
Looks to me like Vick is trying too hard to be a
“conventional pocket passer.” He’s forcing it and as a result is throwing balls that he can’t or shouldn’t throw. Even when he’s out of the pocket, he seems hellbent on running less and passing just for the sake of it.
For example, a 3rd down play (I think)….he was right near the line of scrimmage (actually thought he was over) when he threw it incomplete when he could have easily walked to a 1st down.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I have that same feeling of relief with him when he throws. :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Thought he was 2 yards over on that play
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I actually went back and watched most of the game again
Just to see if the Giants were hitting him late. It sure didn’t look like it. When I watched all of them in regular speed, he was generally getting hit exactly as he was throwing the ball. (And he certainly was NOT on the ground every time he threw the ball, as he stated. Which is probably the best indication he was just frustrated.)
I will admit, however, that I mostly went back to watch everything again because I’m a little shell shocked from the 9 million replays of the Giants fake-injury debacle from the Rams game. The last thing I wanted to see was this entire week devoted to replays of the Giants hitting Vick with numerous cheat shots.
Maybe Vick did get hit late a whole bunch in the previous two weeks, but I think he took nothing but football hits this week. And to be honest, he took a lot fewer hits than I’ve seen the Giants hand out in the last couple of years. (See: Jay Cutler)
I think Vick was venting about the last 3 weeks too
Not just the hits and knock downs he was taking against the Giants. However if the Eagles Coaches are smart they will start using more play action, because McCoy is a weapon and will make teams respect their run game more than in the past.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think he got hit on those 8 straight running plays
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Everyone knew they would be gunning for him
Concussion or not. They did so last year too.
He should not have been playing. Foolish decision on his and management’s part.
Should we whine about Eli’s facemask non call?
It is called football, people get hit. So long as they are legal and justified, deal with it.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
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It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Vick takes some hard shots, but part of it is the way he plays.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 26, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And he's Usually the smallest guy on the offensive side of the field
so naturally the hits look harder
Is he right?
He’ll NO.
But as far as him not getting calls? Just watched espn and they showed some number, the league average for QB’s drawing personnel fouls is 2.2% . Vicks is 2.7%.
Stop your bitching Vick.
by TampaGiant on Sep 26, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
saw this too - like people are saying all in frustration, but the tape showed he had a lot more favors and concierge treatment from those refs
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But in this case the Giants are in the right. I don’t know what calls Vick really thinks he should have gotten yesterday. Maybe the Canty hit, but that would be borderline at best
Maybe it does happen in other games, and the loss combined with some physical punishment caused him to say something, but nothing yesterday rose to the level of penalty-worthy, certainly not dirty
again last year it was
the same thing if i recall or was that the hc crying.
It was Reid last year
And they design running plays for him
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The smallest violin in the world is playing
Just for YOU, Michael Vick. Instead of whining, don’t hold the ball so long,
Once again Vick plays the victim
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by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he's right!
I don’t think the hits were late, but the guy needs to be able to vent after a crushing loss like that.
He use to be able to go home and kick his dog, now all he can do whine to the press. Let him have his moment.
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by Snead to Tucker on Sep 26, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions
I'm sure he's just frustrated
Pretty soon he’ll resume suppressing the Real Mike Vick and go back to the script his handlers gave him.
your mom goes to college
you are right, he is not changed.
He just has some good handlers. It does look like he is reading off a script most of the time and it has worked. He got his $100 million.
by ajdurk4mets on Sep 26, 2011 9:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what a crybaby! aww, ohhh, i keep getting hit.
He should go on dancing with the stars, they don’t hit on there.
by ajdurk4mets on Sep 26, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe the refs are dog lovers lol
None of the hits looked late. He wants to throw the ball down the field, he’s gonna pay the price
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by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 26, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This guy slaughtered innocent dogs
And expects anyone to feel bad for the fact that, as a professional football player, he’s getting hit? Get real.
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What does that have to do with the rules of the game?
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by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course he's right
But its nothing new….we all know they unfairly protect the other QB’s more than him, that is blatant but im glad we kicked his ass.
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How is he right?
where were the illegal hits? Can’t just say something like this and not back it up. Unless this was all sarcasm.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Poor Michael
Seems to me like he’s barking up the wrong tree. I think the refs give him a long leash. It’s just that the opposition is always hounding him. Karma is a doggone bitch.
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by Budbear on Sep 26, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha
don’t wear out the rimshot machine
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by Oppenheimer919 on Sep 26, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a dog eat dog world and Vick is wearing Milk Bone underwear
by SNORKIS on Sep 26, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
To a point
I agree with him…..some QB’s(we all know who they are)are treated special by the refs(NFL) not saying any of the hits on Vick were bad but would they have flaged any of them for Brady? You bet your a$$ they would!
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Brady gets rid of the ball faster
Canty was literally on top of him when he threw the ball, he did what he could to lessen the blow
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Mostly wrong
I think he is mostly wrong. I do not think there were any late hits. I do think the hit by Canty was questionably high and that he might have hit his helmet (I was nervous it was going to be called while watching). They also did not call the Eagles for almost ripping off Eli’s head on the non-call facemask penalty. So I think yesterday they missed just as many calls on Vick as they did on Eli, in which case it was just cruddly officiating all around, not just towards Vick.
Watching ESPN FirstTake. Awesome.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
I know, right?
Skip bayless looks like he has an ax to grind and he is intending to grind that axe on the two live stews.I don’t think I have ever seen him so fired up. And as much as I think skip is a tool, I absolutely hate the two live stews. They are two of the most ignorant analyst I have ever seen.
I think Vick has a point.
His problem, though, is that playing with his reckless-abandon style is going to lend itself to not getting roughing calls that traditional pocket passers might get. I think the Canty hit was pretty close to being late, but it was one of those calls taht could go either way. I was afraid when it happened there would be a flag, and the replays haven’t changed that. Of course, I was delighted with the results of the play.
Rough game, and he’s not a big dude; plus his O-line has problems.
once Vick gets out of the pocket, I think all QB protection rules don't apply.
Alot of these late hits are subjective calls, and as long as the Giants didn’t drive him to the ground or lead with the helmet, they were a little late, but not obnoxiously so
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought we talking only about hits in the pocket.
Blows he takes as a “running back” are his problem.
ah my bad
well, my argument still applies. These are all subjective. If we had Vick as our QB, we’d all be annoyed too, but hey, that’s just the nature of the game… All QBs get hit, but Vick holds onto it MUCH longer than the average QB because he can make a play with his feet.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If Vick were our QB
I would take a reprieve from rooting for the Giants.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 26, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
haha truth
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought roughing was defined as taking the extra step
QB releases and you either take an extra step or launch yourself. Canty did neither. He’s 6-7 320? What’s he supposed to do.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
yes.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yet ESPN Philly analyst
Is calling it both late and to the head….Go figure.
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
They ought to start calling him Philly
Thought he was going to cry when he was talking about it
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
its cause ESPN already crowned the Jets as NY's team.
They can’t have “the other team” doing anything well and proving them wrong.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Though they have had a ton of voices saying Vick is wrong
Bayliss, Golic, Merrill Hoge, and others
The league has spoken on this one. NFL network had Deion practically laughing about it. ESPN has been pretty neutral.
I think it’s cause he never should have said anything about the refs. Should have just said, we need to look at the tape, and I have to talk to Coach. We have to fix it. Media would have done the rest for him.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
truth
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Trent Dilfer too
ripped Vick a new one
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 26, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
How about the hit Ballard took from Asante
On the 15 yard catch…Rung Ballard’s cerebral mass….I thought it was high and to the helmet…CHEAP SHOOT TO THE HEAD BY ASANTE!
There was another one a Giants receiver over the middle
where the guy led with his head and just happend to hit the WR in the shoulder but was almost in the head.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
disagree
Ballard was equally to blame. He turned into Asante.
So now he is just like Boss
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Assanti is a cocky little man punk
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I agree, these are subjective calls. But isn't that the point?
I also agree that he holds on to the ball for a long time, and does other things that put him in danger. But if he is hit “illegally” while still in the “protection” of the pocket area, the call should be made no matter who the QB is, or whether he is capable of running. And please don’t misunderstand, I didn’t care how he left the game, I just wanted him out. I’ve been watching long enough that I no longer care how we win, just that we win.
I'm not misunderstanding you haha. You have a legitimate point.
I just don’t think our hits were late enough or malicious enough to warrant a flag.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
the refs have to walk a fine line
they know Vick will run. They have to give the defensive player a little more leeway. What if a DL pulls up then Vick takes off? We’ve seen it happen.
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by The Pale Scot on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Kiwi / Young
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I do think
that since he’s a scrambling QB that moves a lot in the pocket he doesn’t get the calls that other pocket QB would get.
Here's the thing....
Part of Vick’s play is to use a series of feints and jukes to extend plays. The goal is to freeze lineman and linebackers and the premise is th if they don’t hold up, he could release the ball and they’ll get called for roughing the passer. So, should the lineman and lb’s be held at bay so that Vick can continue to extend plays or should linemen follow through. The answer seems obvious to me and the refs.
by nard100 on Sep 26, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its easy to critize looking at a situation from outside.
And I do not think Vickd frustations are a result of yesterday’s game. Again Vick made the same claims last year and is simply bring his concerns back to light. The word on the nfl street seems to be hit vick; bang him up. Even if he does not have the ball. Vick knows the kind of backlash he stands to get if he says something like this and the fact that he decided to say it anyway speaks volumes and suggests that maybe something IS really wrong.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 26, 2011 10:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He should be telling the OL coach to so something
Or Reid to take guys out of the pattern and block with 6
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
I is clear that Vicks argument trancends offensive strategy.
At some point during a play OL containment is going ti break down , hence the argument “Vick holds the bsll too long.” What I gather from his statements is that some of the hits he has taken were clear violations of league rules and were not called. (i.e. Hits delivered long after he has gotten rid of the ball or stepped out of bounds.)
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He couldn't possibly know that about yesterday's game till he looks at film
And unless he is spending his time dissecting the film of other games, he can’t really know what’s happening to other QBs. It was a shameless plea for the NFL to baby him.
Think it this way, which player has generated more excitement than Vick and the Eagles? So you think they want him banged up and hurt? No way.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Keywords in your response are "...the eagles..."
But the refs answer to the NFL and get paid regardless of whether Vick is on the field or not. Not sure if Vick does though and right now he is the one sitting with the broken hand; stemming from this “problem.” As a Giants fan, I have no problem. As a working man, I would want any issues that I was having in the workplace resolved.
Vick should clarify himself a little more and enummerate those instances that he is referring to. That way we can better understand his delimma.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 26, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The plan of every defense
is to hit the QB and bang him up no matter who they are playing. No defense wants the QB to be comfortable in the pocket. I don’t see Vick’s statement as a profile in courage at all. Jay Cutler gets beat to hell every week too and I don’t see him whining.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or that he is frustrated
and a whiny little bitch.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree with ed
He plays different. He plays differently than any other QB in the league. So u will be hit differntly but the calls are the same. But I do think the refs for just letting them go at it. Eli had an obvious face mask. Plenty of holding against our d line. And not every little fight was pulled for a flag. It’s just another game in philly. Vick said himself he has trouble reading blitz(not somethin I would admit publicly) so he can’t really read what’s coming
by S OzZy825 on Sep 26, 2011 10:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thank you Chris, Jason, Justin, et. al.
You’re not reading the best part of the quote:
…if you look at all the replays, I’m on the ground every time.
Mess with the bull, you get the horns.
Great win.
by aweber on Sep 26, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there,
and the USF alums JPP and JWills appreciate it.
welcome to the pocket vick
U get hit suck it up
by hit_hard on Sep 26, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's simple
When u lose a game u’re expected to win, you gotta find an excuse.. Today it’s late hits, next time it will be that the blue jerseys threw off his depth perception.. It’s football bruh, drink water, drive on..
by Fire In The Hole on Sep 26, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm just waiting for a Justin Tuck tweet that says:
“Vick is overrated n soft.”
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
which brings up an interesting dilemma
what do the Giants do with Osi when he’s ready to return? There’s no way he can replace JPP full time.
If Osi wasn't such a baby you could use him as a 3rd down pass rusher
Move JPP to left end and move Tuck inside, which is what they prob do on 3rd downs. The real problem is 1st and 2nd. I’d rather have JPP out there than Osi. But like I said, if Osi doesn’t start he pout like a baby.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
trade
with the development of JPP are most Giants fans still opposed of trading Osi?
I'm ok with trading Osi if they move kiwi back to DE so we can keep the depth.
But I think we would be better served to keep Osi for the rest of the season and let him prove to the NFL that he is healthy so we can get a better trade at draft time.
Maybe that's JR's master plan
In season trades in the NFL are pretty rare
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
As enticing as that is, our bread and butter is with the pass rush
Tuck and JPP looked absolutely gassed towards the end. Tuck got a stinger and JPP was cramping.
A problem we had during the St.Louis game and Washington game is that Tollefson is awesome, but there is a clear dropoff when JPP/Tuck need a break.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I called this months ago and it is a great situation we are in.
Osi, a pass rushing menace, will become a part time pass rushing specialist who will be fresh from not having to play the run. We will play to his strengths. He has no leverage, not with the way JPP is playing.
Maybe the Giants coaches could creatively call Osi the “starter” but JPP will get the majority of snaps.
I don’t want to see Osi traded because I his value is not high right now.
It’s up to TC, Fewell and the rest of the team to try and get Osi’s head in the right place to make this work.
DO NOT take JPP off the field for this guy
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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This weeks winner of the "Dick to the Head" award, goes to...
Michael Vick!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
wtf
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
From what I hear, not yesterday
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Yup, I see the carnage in the moderator report. You go over to troll after a win, for me, that’s going to be a surefire ban. From what I can see, the majority of you were warned, and continued to troll. Most sites don’t even waste their time, and just ban without the warning. I mean… You go over there going “Nanny nanny boo boo,” and what do you expect?
Not saying the BGN guys were any better last year, mind you. A ton of them were banned here last year after the sweep, as they should have been.
Maybe need to look at policy little bit more. I mean we hated rivals. What do you expect to happen. But at least we get to read the masses over there taken the plunge off the edge now.
BGN
I always tell guys to stay here and celebrate. Nothing good is EVER going to come out of going to an opposing team’s site and twisting the knife — even if you don’t think you are twisting the knife — after a loss. I would rather not have BBV represented that way, to be honest.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately Ed
It goes in one ear, and then out the other, what can you say?
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by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
here's the thing
we’re fans first we represent the New York Football Giants. We DON’T represent BBV. Our ‘behavior’ has no bearing on you or your site.
by GMen56-11 on Sep 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just like when the Eagles fans pelted our bus with bottles.
=]
Real men don't eat honey. They chew bees. - Gilbert Yvel
Yeah
I think it is an unsubstantiated rumor on our side…
Let us know if you have been banned….
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Check again on that. A lot of us got banned for talking a bit of junk. We hurt your egos I guess. maybe a bit bruised but not much more you would do over here. Hey we cool with it after looking at the way Eagle classy fans acted yesterday after the game.
I'm a Giant fan??
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It's okay to lurk and gloat quietly
but a lot of giant fans came out the woodworks and started with them after a tough loss. Same thing would have happened here if some Eagle fans came over to our board to gloat after the game. Trash talk is one thing kicking a guy when he is down is another thing.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the Spirit of it all. Please people taking this stuff way to serious. Including us if we ban anyone for little bit of bloating.
guess you weren't here last year right after
the miracle at the meadowlands…
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Been here since 2009
Ed got rid of a ton of trolls, but there are a lot of classy Eagle fans that come over to discuss football too. Same with Cowboy fans that come over. Usually these are fans new to the board.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It was bad.
I for one am glad as hell the Eagle fans have been knocked down a few pegs. They deserve it.
The arrogance about their team had been ridiculous and delusional.
I for one know the Eagles will be back. They will be a good team this year IMO but are off to a rough start.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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I understand it
Back in 2008 I had the same arrogance towards the Eagles. I only thought Dallas was worthy of being compared to us. The Eagles came in and beat us good, thats when I was reminded never ever get arrogant when you play an NFC East foe
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Important lesson
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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I am in agreement
Stay classy, but be witty too!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda green, too. :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Vick is SUCH a baby.
It is truly unbelievable. The refs are helping him up and giving his team EVERYTHING yet he still needs to bitch about it.
Mike, if you are this much of a baby, retire and find another job (preferably one that does not involve animals). So Petco is out.
Real men don't eat honey. They chew bees. - Gilbert Yvel
I don't have a problem
with the refs helping him or any QB get up.
except they don't do it
like ever. I was shocked the first time it happened, and a little angry the second + time.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 26, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
let me rephase
I’ve seen it on occasion. Yesterday wasn’t the first time.
I was kind of shocked too...
being in the UK I don’t get to watch that many games but can’t remember seeing that happen – at least not that often…maybe a sign that the Giants were sticking him on his butt a LOT!
I was mad when Williams picked him up when iggles were rushing on to kick the FG
C’mon Rook! – lol
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Me too.
I subscribe to the Pat Riley school of how to treat a member of the opposite team.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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Well to me it was more about the time
they barely got the FG off. Let vick roll around on the ground and waste more time.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I have a huge problem with it.
Especially with how the game was called yesterday.
Real men don't eat honey. They chew bees. - Gilbert Yvel
I agree none of those hits warranted a flag. However, it seems every time I watch a football game there is a Roughing the Passer call that I disagree with. I have seen hits a lot more innocent than Canty’s get flagged because of overreacting refs. Did you guys see that unbelievable roughing call that went against the Jets yesterday? The Jets defender barely shoved Jason Campbell, who was never in danger of falling off his feet.
didn't see it
but I heard it was a terrible call. Who was the ref?
I'd love to hear
Mike Pereira spin on it. He spins almost every bad call. Now that he no longer works for the NFL he’s not as bad as he once was.
Didn't he do this last year too?
The guy just seems like a whiner at this point. I heard the same stat referenced above that Vick gets a personal foul call 2.7% of the time and the league average is 2.2%. Obviously he is getting the calls other QBs are getting. Shut up and play!
by G-FANinFL on Sep 26, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
yes and no
is Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick right that NFL officials don’t protect him the way they do other quarterbacks.
It depends on the QB. If the hit by Canty was on Brady and Peyton I have little doubt there would be a flag. If it was on the Eli or the majority of other QB it wouldn’t draw a flag.
I agree 100% with Vick.
He was on the ground after almost every play.
Better than nice!!!
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"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Vick, you wanna blame someone?
Blame your offensive line for letting us get all up in your grill yesterday!
The NFL won't say it, but
I think the refs are coached to look for guys
Taking the extra step (obvious)
And
The Launching and extending of arms to push. That’s where you get some of the head scratchers.
But I get it. The refs need visual cues to base their calls on. It can’t be did the QB get hit a lot. Vick gets hit because teams are basing their defense on it and the Eags haven’t adjusted. They can’t play it video game style
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Funny...
because I didn’t hear Vick crying when his teammate almost ripped Matt Ryan’s head off last week with no flag thrown. Or when his teammate yanked Eli by the facemask yesterday right in front of the ref with no flag. Vick is the perfect example of an Eagle to me. They expect everything to be handed to them without earning it.
Deion Sanders said the same thing last night on NFL Network.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 26, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you see Strahan reference your twitter war yesterday?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
The Canty hit
watch the replay. The ref quickly pats his shoulder while saying the hit was on Vicks’ shoulder which it was.
And he pulled up
If Canty drives thru there, Vick gets taken off on a stretcher
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
If up were out,
Michael Vick is definately pregnant this morning
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
yup the Ref was right there too so that BS about late hit or hit to the head was null and void
Canty could have really hurt him if he wanted to
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Brady
did anyone watch Brady on the pick-6 he threw in the 4th quarter. He had a chance to tackle the ball carrier. He wanted no part of it.
If they protect Brady anymore
he will need a pink skirt!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Brady will throw the ball away if he thinks he is going to get hit
I’ve seen Payton just fall on the turf and wait to get touched before he takes a hard hit. Vick doesn’t do that he scrambles around and takes shots. I know Jimmy says he thinks the Eagles line is playing good but they look gawd auful to me too. Guys come in on Vick unblocked all the time, in fact in preseason he was taking huge hits from unblocked D lineman too. Eagles pass protection is not to good, seem like their O-line depends on Vick making guys miss more than blocking.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it's just a matter of standards.
Good Oline for Eagles = Crap Oline for us.
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by BleedBigBlue on Sep 26, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Vick's a full-time wildcat option - plan accordingly
QBs who are mobile and try to extend the play or try to make something out of nothing are an asset. Everyone talks about the added dimension that a Michael Vick or Ben Roethlisberger brings to the table. But the offset to that is that you are going to take shots.
Does Vick get hit any more often than Ben? No – the difference is that Ben is 6’5", 250bls and Vick is 6’0", 210 lbs.
Other difference is that a Roethlisberger (or others) extend for the easy yards and then generally get down on the ground voluntarily…
+1
Big Ben is another that hangs in a long time. He too takes a beating.
Cutler too
because that offense is designed to get rid of the ball quickly.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I think you mean
Because that offense is NOT designed to get rid of the ball quickly. Big Ben & Cutler do take a beating, no whining from them though.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Martz offense is designed to get rid of the ball quickly
I think Cutler holds it too long or guys aren’t getting open or something
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
No Martz attacks down the field
Those routes take time to develop and Cutler is taking a seven step drop.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 26, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But isn't it more of
when your back foot hits that 7th step the ball better be gone and we’re not blocking certain guys because the ball should be gone by then?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I admit I don't watch a lot of Bear games
But the ones I saw the Bears O-line has some serious problems, guys are getting beat and they don’t handle the blitz at all, w killed them with the blitz. You can’t get rid of the ball on target if someone is in your face.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, me neither
but with StL I thought it was all about making your reads on the drop so that when you hit your back foot the ball was coming out. No hanging around scanning the field. There would be guys unaccounted for in the blocking but it was the qbs responsibility to get the ball out on time.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Don't foget Kurt Warner used to get abused too in St Louis
One of the critisisms of Martz offense is he does not protect his QB, he is flooding the secondary with Recievers and the QB is suppose to find the open reciever quick. However it does expose your QB to a ton of abuse.
The Bears’ O-line stinks too so it looks like to me it makes it double hard for him
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, no question
It’s like sending everyone deep vs. an 11 man blitz. Who’s faster?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I heard
during the game yesterday that there are no audibles in the Bears scheme. So if there is a blitz to one side the QB has no option to check out of the play. That is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard!
by eyerish9299 on Sep 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No Omaha or Rocket?
That is crazy.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
What??
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the case at all
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Vick is closer to 5-10 190
When you give up that much (what about 100 lbs to 3 of our DL) the hits are crippling even when they aren’t late or vicious
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Ralph Vacchiano with the quote of the day
Even with a broken hand, Michael Vick is pointing fingers …
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
nice
haha
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 26, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
nice
altho they said his hand isnt broken. its just a contusion (i.e. bruise)
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
So,
“I’m not gonna blame the refs, but, really, that’s pretty much what I’m doing”
Fields, on the follow!
This
along with hands to the face, the facemask on Eli, the facemask on Cruz, etc. etc. etc. Plus, what about the helmet to helmet hit on Matt Ryan last week by the iggles that wasn’t called?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I have a hard time feeling sorry for Michael Vick
Isn’t this the guy who said "I don’t know how to do it," . "I don’t know how to slide, so I won’t get into that right now. I either go head first or dive or just fall."
"The last proclamation out of Philly that meant anything was a Declaration in 1776"
"This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a s***." - Pat Hanlon the Twitter Champion
Btw one of my friends posted this on Facebook
I figured my friends here at BBV would like it. Its actually called “The Dream Team Gif”
"The last proclamation out of Philly that meant anything was a Declaration in 1776"
"This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a s***." - Pat Hanlon the Twitter Champion
by sejo28 on Sep 26, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec’d!
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I love seeing those Eagles on the ground...
…watching Cruz run in for the TD.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a sexy lil move he put on them
+1 for the Salsa dance after too.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Dance me some salsa bro!
I needed a little bit more of that salsa after his second td! We all could use some salsa in our lives!
I read he did that dance for his father.
His Dad committed suicide 4 years and Victor had to step up and be the man in his family.
I like the local kid.
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so many great GIFs. This one and the Bradshaw "child please!" stiff arm of Nate Allen
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We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
found it!!!!!!!!
"The last proclamation out of Philly that meant anything was a Declaration in 1776"
"This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a s***." - Pat Hanlon the Twitter Champion
by sejo28 on Sep 26, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Love it
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That and his touchdown won my fantasy football match and I had DeSean J!!!
And the guy I beat was an Eagles fan. That’s a double Vicktory if ever there was one.
LOL I was thinking the same thing when I watched the clip
Why was Stokley shoving the guy into Bradshaw
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
After blocking a guy in the back into AB
His package should have shrank!
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
barely touched him
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
Well, he helped the guy get the tackle at least :)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Never seen a play like that
Where the runner actually throws the tackler to the ground. Man, Bradshaw is tough.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And then he steps on him!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the best monday ever
"The last proclamation out of Philly that meant anything was a Declaration in 1776"
"This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a s***." - Pat Hanlon the Twitter Champion
is this real life?
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i know right?
Ive already changed my undies 3 times
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
BOOM! ESPN Firsttake just brought this nice little stat up:
Michael Vick has gotten more 15 yard penalty flags than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers combined
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 14 recs
Okay, seriously,
I wanna shove this stat in his face and tell him to shut up already.
Fields, on the follow!
I hope he keeps bitching.
Only will make us look better and the Eagles look worse.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely right.
We knocked the fight out of Vick yesterday. We beat him, and his whole overrated team mentally and physically.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
If that Stat is accurate
Don’t worry about that the Ref’s might have a beef with him.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd that hard
"The last proclamation out of Philly that meant anything was a Declaration in 1776"
"This is great. We usually get to play two regular season games before people tell us we aren't worth a s***." - Pat Hanlon the Twitter Champion
lies... this is all lies
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 26, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time Eli got one
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
no idea
only leaders get flags in their favor
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The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 26, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
rec’d!!
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Well, I mean Manning isn’t playing. But still an awesome stat.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
sorry I didn't elaborate
It was over the span of last year AND this year.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
doh!
nevermind my question. comments crossed on the intertubes
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
over what time frame?
can’t find the link
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Nice!
A little embarrassing for Vick. I wonder how he feels if someone waves that in his face.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 26, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
someone will
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
That really means nothing
People play Brady, Manning and Brees waaaaay different in the last two years, its more of a natural thing to let up on them and to not go so hard because you WILL be fined!!!!
This result in players holding back so they dont get calls on those guys so of course there are no calls, players are terrified to touch them.
Dont let ESPN give you #’s that are skewed.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
This is what Vick said:
“I don’t get the penalty flags that other QBs do”
Yes, Michael, you do.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Send it
to Fat Andy too his act is getting old, he knows better, stop playing that game!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
rec rec rec'd
Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH
If Vick keeps complaining about how the refs treat him...
they’re gonna stop picking him up after every play.
Was he guarding Mr. Invisible Jackson?
’Cause someone took Jackson out of the game.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 26, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Con-vick-ed real problems
His O-line is horrible, they would get anyone killed. I think he gets hit more often once he’s released the ball because a DE/DT/Biltzer can’t reasonably stop their momentum when they’re coming full steam unblocked.
The play calling is questionable at best. Ok roll out of the pocket and hold it 5-6 seconds while we develop this game changing play….
Bitching about officiating when they’re already favoring you is going to give refs a second thought about treating you ‘special’
cmon..smh convick?
inhumane…but i dont see him as a convict. Stallworth didnt serve shit for killing a man while driving drunk.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Mike and Mike
They had on Mangini this morning and he stated the league out of all the QB’s they get 2.3% personal fouls calls while Vick gets 2.7%. Seems to me he gets more than his shard.
I gotta give Canty his props so far this season ...
I have been complaining about his being somewhat “invisible” so far in his Giants career, but he has definitely been a standout in 2011.
Funny thing is, if Jay Cutler was saying this
he’d get crucified by everybody.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
Vick is right about the officiating
Eli Manning was sacked by his facemask in this game…clearly they’re missing some important penalties.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Can someone find video? I missed it....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It was on a 3rd down they didn't convert
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
The facemask didnt sack him.
but it slowed his momentum enough for the defense to gain speed and sack him 1 yd later. and yea..we didnt conver…. highly upset. The facemask was blatant enough to turn his helmet.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Quarterbacks get hit late.
It happens to all of them regularly. It’s a part of the game. Especially if you’re a QB who holds the ball as long as Vick. Or, also like Vick, if the QB has the potential to tuck it and run, he stands a greater chance of being hit and being hit late.
Our QB has been hit late before. Heck, his facemask was grabbed (CLEARLY) on a play and they didn’t blow the whistle.
Ultimately, I think Vick is a great player with loads of talent, but his history with the game says that he is a little more fragile than most.
Either way, he stays injured and that’s nothing new. There is a history there.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
We felt like this way after Wash, the Iggles feel today
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
omg
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
um
No crying in football!!!! Stop it!!!
by weejer on Sep 26, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
a bruise. He got a bruise.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but saying "bruise" makes him sound more like a wimp.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You see that contusion?
In High school, I got cleeted right on the top of my hand, by one of my own guys. The top of my hand was so swollen that it looked like a 14 year old girl’s breast was hidden under the skin. (W/O the nipple of course). I didn’t know skin could stretch that tight.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
And
we will hear about it all week probably still talking about Romo too, nauseating all week!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been all Vick, all Eagles, all damn day today.
The Giants are either the “oh yeah” mention at the end, or not mentioned at all.
Meanwhile, we bashed them from being the Dream Team, into Team Turmoil.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
we are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
My favorite team, and my favorite comedian
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
So true
Probably because when we win it’s hardly ever pretty, we do it by beating down our opponent, running the ball down their throat. It’s a little fustrating but man is it satisfying watching all the “experts” eat crow
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It was all iggles before the game
and it’s been all iggles after the game. Eli has one of the best games of his career and is barely even mentioned.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Eli was outstanding
The last time he threw 4 TD’s and 0 INT’s was in Dec. 2005 vs. the Rams.
One thing though, that second TD throw to Cruz was into double coverage. If Cruz doesn’t haul that in, and it is intercepted, everybody is screaming at Eli “what are you doing!” Credit to Cruz for winning at the high popint of the ball, and credit to Eli for trusting the kid to make a play.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
Well that’s the life of an NFL QB. You throw into double coverage and your WR makes a great catch, everyone loves you. You make a perfect throw to a wide open WR and he has the ball go off his hands and into those of the defender… and it just shows up as a pick on the stat sheet.
And our analysis is always in hindsight as well. We say now that it was great for Eli to “trust his WR.” But if it had been picked we’d all say “what a stupid decision!”
We’re all killing Andy REid for going for it on 4th down. But if they had converted it, we’d all be saying what a “great, aggressive” call it was. The results really do make all the difference.
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by JasonB on Sep 26, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 26, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He's defending his decision to put him back in
Did you see the swelling on it? But if they want to put him back in there with it.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
So Vick said last night that all he knows is that he had a broken hand.
But his coach is saying it’s just a bruise.
Does that mean Vick doesn’t know anything?
Andy Reid to Vick "Rub some Dirt on it"
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol - like Parcells back in the day
“You’re not hurt.”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
they said the angle of the xray
made it look like a fracture, but they took another xray today & found out it wasnt
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Vick is like " he Eli, this is what a hand bruise looks like"
And Eli is like " hey Vick this is what a game ball looks like"
Notice who is holding a ball
and who has a booboo
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and since when has Eli been able to grow a beard?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Preparing for his hgh test
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I love the facial hair
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Nice!
Thanks for laugh on that one.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 26, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
damn..
his hand is SWOLLEN.
Another qb the giants put out…. last year we had a string of what, 4-5 qbs in a row?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
That's right. Add the Vicktim to the list.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
We got to be the best
at knocking QBs out.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Giants Stomp opposing QBs
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/9/8/2412739/2011-ny-giants-qb-feeding-frenzy
"It is super important to come out right away and stuff it down people's throats and make them respect the run. We have Hakeem and Mario and *Hixon* and then they can get off as well. It starts with the running game always."
- BJacobs
Eli seems happy he doesn't have to face Giants D
First thing he said to Bradford after the game was, “Did you come out allright?”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
"Man, are we standing awkwardly close to eachother"
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Need to have a caption contest of what Eli is thinking
Stay away from package man!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this color nail polish goes good with the home unis. What do you think eli?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Do you think Romo could have played???
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually could read his lips pretty clearly during this moment
Looked like he said “Oh shit what happened?”
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 26, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That was one of my favorite moments from yesterdays game.
When Eli and Vick met on the field, Eli had that look he often has at mid-field when he meeta the other teams QB.
The “I’m the superior man” look. I always look for it. He gave Vick his final beating that afternoon when Vick looked into the eyes of a real QB. A real man.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
Did anyone else hear AB's Beast scream after scoring on the screen?
It was louder than the 79K fans together!
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
Need to get a youtube of it....
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he
does that almost every time. Eh? We finally got to hear what he’s saying: AAAARRRRRRGGGGG!!!!!
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
I do think Vick has a point.
But I also believe he chose the wrong game to mention it afterwards. The only hit that I saw was borderline was cantys..b/c he took a step after the ball was released.. i say borderline b/c although i do think it was clean, it could have been flagged and i would have been only a little upset at the call :).
Vick has been blasted late many times before..this game though didnt put that on display though.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Bruised
So was Vick scared to come back in then if just a bruise?
To be fair, he was told he had a broken hand ...
and a bruised cervix …
Stoke's package again?
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
the Stoke jokes will never get old
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What is he doing???
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting a larger package
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a lotta man friction
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I've never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Seems like he just another QB who refuses to face us because we hit hard. I guess McCoy will be quiet this off season year on how soft our defense is.
Yeah, he's got nothing to be ashamed of
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
+1
why write a paragraph, when 1 word answers the question correctly?
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 26, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Lot of comments to read and sorry if it was said
But if Vick is taking ALL, of these hits, who’s fault is it? Hanging onto the ball too long, maybe? Ray Charles with the white cap on, i doubt it?
How about this for reality, his own OL allowing them to!
The Dogs Weigh In
the hits on Vick were all legal, quit whining and take your beating like a man….WOOF WOOF
Has Desean Jackson "quit" trying because he did not get his payday?
Someone flotted that idea. I think our guys just did a great job. Your thoughts?
DeSean has alwasy been a boom or bust reciever
That’ probably why they are having a problem coming up with a fair contract. Either the guy is 100% killing the D or he disappears off the stat sheet. He needs to watch the Real Steve Smith play and make his game more like his.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got the falling down after the catch part down
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I guess the question then becomes...
Does Vick want all those lovely ‘in the grass’ calls, that stop the play, just before he breaks out?
It cuts both ways Vicky.
HAM cleared to practice.
I’m waiting to see that 4 WR set:
Nicks-Manningham-Cruz-Barden
dang.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
We may have the Dream Team in our division, but we're the ones to give you nightmares.
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Bark man Bark
Vick’s gotta stop barking. Man up and take a loss like a man.
by BIGblueintheface on Sep 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
Note to Vick, this is a late hit
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Sep 26, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LMAO!
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
that had to have been scripted
y was someone videotaping it to begin with?he’s “casually” looking in the opposite direction, the bus hits him dead on, & noone rushes over to help him or see if he’s even alright.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Good grief!
Hope that guy is wearing a kevlar body suit.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Hope that guy is alive
he looked like he hit his head on the pavement pretty bad
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
I have to close it because I can’t keep watching it over and over.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Here's the question as I see it
Does Vick not get calls that other QBs do? I don’t think there’s even a question about that. However, should those QBs who do get the calls be getting them? I think that’s a whole other question.
What Vick and all us fans want is consistency. If a hit on Tom Brady gets a flag, the same hit on Vick should get one as well. And vice versa, if it you don’t throw the flag for the hit on Vick, don’t throw it for a hit on Peyton Manning. If anything, I think we’d all probably prefer the latter.
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nope
Brady/Manning stand still & are much easier to hit. Vick is constantly moving and very difficult to hit. guys whiff on Vick all the time. They have to come at him like a bat outta hell just to get him to the ground. As where u could casually tap Brady on the shoulder & he falls down. Vick absolutley gets hit more. He’s outta the pocket more, he holds the ball longer & he takes off down the field. Vick is a different player & is treated differently. He may not get the same roughing calls as other QBs, but he gets his own version of roughing calls. And as espn put it, he gets MORE roughing penalties than any other QB.
I think the comment was made outta frustration. He got hit very hard by us a couple of times. And was knocked out of the 2nd consecutive game. He was still a lil dizzy from last week (u could see it in his play). He said those things b/c he was upset about the loss & getting hurt again. Especially since he thought he would be out for a month.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Ok, so there’s two sets of a rules? Ones for QBs who don’t move around and ones who do?
Yeah, we know that. The point is that there shouldn’t be.
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the rules arent different
its a reaction to the kind player he is. when he leaves the pocket & becomes a runner, he can be hit like a runner. The difference is the other QBs dont run as often, so the refs need to react to his style of play.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Well we’re not talking about hits out of the pocket. So why would they react to anything? Why the different set of rules?
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Um no
They miss calls on everyone.
The iggles alone had a helmet to helmet hit on Ryan last week and a facemask on Eli yesterday. Neither was called. And like G-FANinLF you have to watch all the games and chart all the plays.
Some else said ESPN had this stat, “Michael Vick has gotten more 15 yard penalty flags than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers combined in the last 2 years.”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Do you guys look at anything critically before you start repeating it? You know that ESPN “stat” doesn’t tell us anything right?
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And that ESPn stat is meaningless
It’s not about the number of flags a guys draws. What’s the percentage of flags in relation to the hits they take? That’s the telling stat. A simple count of flags tells us nothing. A guy who gets hit more will likely get more flags, that’s no shock. But that doesn’t tell us whether he’s getting the same treatment as anyone else.
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thats where your WRONG
he cant be treated like a regular QB. He ISNT a regular QB. But when it comes to Vick, the refs err on the side of caution. And I do watch EVERY seagul game.
But my question is why are the # of flags not important? If your worried that he’s not getting the precentage based on a huge # of hits, isnt the bigger concern the punishment he takes Your strategy shouldnt be to see if u can move the ball with roughing the passer penlties.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
So you feel that there should be a special set of rules for certain QBs. That hits on the QB should be decided on a QB by QB basis?
I guess we just disagree there. I think they all should be treated the same. Stars, scrubs, runners, statues… whatever. If it’s a flag for one, it’s a flag for all.
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im not saying the rules are different
Im saying that you have to take into account the way someone plays. He puts himself into situations that r open to more subjectivity by the refs.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Not when he’s standing in the pocket he doesn’t. If Vick takes a hit when he’s out running down the field I don’t think anyone is going to argue that he’s getting treated unfairly.
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i agree with that
if he’s in the pocket & gets hit late or in the head, he should get that call & most of the time he does. That never happened yesterday. The bigger issue is that he’s rarely in the pocket. And the only “helmet to helmet” hit I saw yesterday was the JPP sack. But Vick had already tucked the ball, was outta the pocket & running, he ducked & got hit in the head.
Again, I dont think the comments were based on yesterdays game. It was a cumulative frustration (from the thought) of being out for a month.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
The only way to know
would be to watch every qb hit from every game from the beginning of last year and chart it. I’m sure Vick and Eagles fans feel they are not getting calls that other QBs get but they have an obvious bias. You can’t make that determination without a standard for comparison.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 26, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about your eyeballs for a standard? We all watch a lot of NFL games. It’s fairly obvious who is getting calls and who isn’t.
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Well, ESPN says it's Vick
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
No they do not
ESPN did absolutely not say that. They counted numbers of flags, which is a meaningless exercise.
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Okay then
The helmet to helmet on Ryan and the facemask on Eli both by the iggles not called proves otherwise.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
You citing two random examples is about as statistically significant as what ESPN did… So good job, you could be on Mike & Mike!
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As are you
You are only looking at Vick and saying he doesn’t get the calls. I am citing two examples of other QBs in a very small sub set of games to show that other qbs also do not get the calls. So I am not sure what you are arguing.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I really don’t know what to say. What are you hoping to prove with these two singular examples? Hopefully not some larger point..
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Seriously?
You are arguing that vick is treated differently than other QBs. I am showing you examples in those same freaking games of the other QBs not getting a call on an obvious penalty, much more obvious that the ones vick is supposedly not getting.
Also you are arguing that since vick is subject to more hits that the number of supposed missed penalties is greater due to the sheer number. Well since these QBs in my examples take much fewer hits then each missed penalty on them is proportionally worth more.
But, whatever, I didn’t think there were any missed calls on vick on Sunday. And frankly I’m pissed that it is even being discussed to such a degree. To hear the media and iggles and their fans the Giants didn’t even play, they stayed home in Jersey and it’s all iggles all the time.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
You are whining as much as Mr. Glass himself.
Real men don't eat honey. They chew bees. - Gilbert Yvel
And these are iggles games
Games where vick supposedly does not get the calls.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Eyeball test is the worst possible standard
You probably see every Eagles game and few other games each week involving random teams? You may have a good idea of what is happening to Vick but you have no idea how compares to the other 31 QBs on a week to week basis. You need some objective data not subjective observations with a built in bias. The only way to know if he is being treated fairly is to know how the league’s other QBs are being treated and make a comparison. If there are a statistically significant higher number of missed calls involving Vick than the league average then you can justifiably complain.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 26, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great, let’s see it.
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I saw it all yesterday
Vick got knocked on his butt due to trying to make plays and a crappy o-line. Go cry back on your own blog. Your qb got his ass kicked by an ass-kicking defense and instead of yelling at his team whined in a press conference. There’s nothing to discuss as a Giants fan.
well...
comparing anything to brady is a FAIL.
the changed the rules to protect him….not the QB, but Tom Brady…the man.
as we’ve all seen, Palmer, Eli, Vick….they get hit, no flag…someone hurts Brady’s cuticle and it’s a GD rule change.
TeamJPP
I'll put it this way
Because of his outcry, ESPN analysts have been forced to overanalyse every single hit on Vick from the game all morning when they damn well know that the hits were legal and that they should be spending time analysing things that are relevant. It’s annoying and a complete waste of time. On the INT, Vick’s not a QB anymore but rather one of eleven other guys trying to tackle the interceptor. Tollefson has every right to lay the smackdown on a player who’s trying to tackle another Giant. It’s a great chance to get a free shot on the QB but generally just a good football play. Would you rather have Tollefson not hit Vick and just stand there while watching? That’s a hustle play that leads to good transition defense, an underrated aspect of the game. The other hits were clean, and Bernard’s hit is the kind of video that young football players should watch if they want to learn how to tackle someone.
No one said one word about the hit after the INT, which was fairly light anyway.
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It was bunched in with the other hits
Though the Canty hit obviously got more attention. I’m not blaming you guys or anything. I’m just saying that I don’t want to deal with hearing about this stuff when there’s plenty of other things to talk about in the sport of football.
By who?
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I don't remember who specifically,
but while they talked about the hits in general, they kept showing highlights, and that play was included every now and then.
And what the hell else to “ESPN analysts” have to do? This is their whole job. They are paid to yap on endlessly about all the silly little contrived controversies in sports.
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Haha, yes, sadly true
Some of them can be good at times though but yeah, rather than analysing the upcoming matchups in great and exciting detail, they’ll focus on the same, meaningless things from last week. Anyway, while I’m talking to an Eagle’s fan, I begrudgingly wish you guys luck in recovering your injured players. It is always ashamed when you can’t put your best players on the field, but that is a part of the game. I don’t look forward to matching up with you guys again.
Vick is getting beat up for a few reasons.
You know what they are, we all do.
He’s going to continue to get beat up. I hope he doesn’t get seriously injured but if he did, based on his brutally violent past behavior, I wouldn’t care.
I hope he starts to get a few more calls for roughing the passer. then we can put this subject behind us and you and your bretheren on BGN can stop complaining about it.
And I’m annoyed that the story today is not the Giants physical and mental beating of the Eagle in their home opener.
Nice Homecoming.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
Wouldn’t have been surprised if Bernard’s hit was called a penalty. It wasn’t late, but he did drive him to the turf rather than ease up after the ball was out. Same with the Canty hit. But neither was an obvious penalty. The two that had to really hurt were the Tollefson and JPP hits, both perfectly legit and legal. Vick takes a lot of hits that other QB’s don’t, and combined with the normal hits that he takes in the pocket, he takes a major beating every week.
As a result, he’s not only always in danger of getting knocked out of games (moreso that most QB’s), but he is a turnover machine. He put the ball on the ground a lot yesterday, and was lucky the Giants didn’t recover.
agreed
the NFL has got to tighten their reigns on QBs getting hit (kiddie gloves...Please)...afterall it is football
Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH
@afterall it is only Football, not soccer @
Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH
sarcasm fail
Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH
in a word NO
if ya don’t wanna get hit then get rid of the ball, or get behind a better offensive line.
None of our hits on him were dirty or late.
And quite frankly you reap what you sow Michael.
You down wit JPP?
We played an amazing game yesterday and I am proud of our guys
Now we will see how good we truly are. Good teams follow up a game like this with another solid effort and a W. I want to see us handily beat the cardinals and NOT have a dreaded let-down game.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Sep 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
didn't expect anything less from Vick
obnoxious winner, and sore loser
perfect man for the perfect dream team
Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH
cut off was...
obnoxious winner and sore loser
Team Monster:
JPP
"Da Real" Scott
Greg JONES
Herzlich
Paysinger
Jacquin Williams
and SASH
Still fired up about vuck's whining...
The cheater wants the defense to hesitate to hit him by pleading for the attention of the refs… So he break free and make a play. Just take a knee then if you are so afraid and concerned about your health.
Nobody touch the 100 million dollar man… Except his gynecologist.
by NY FUBAR on Sep 26, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Doc, enjoy the whining
That means the Giants did their thing to the Eagles, almost like when T.O. started crying after the Giants beat the Cowboys…How sweet was that
by Late for Dinner on Sep 26, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
can we stop the dog refrences already?
it’s not funny and has been done to death. The man did his time and should’nt have to apologize and take flak forever. i’m happy about the win, but what happened to “keep it classy”? call Vick a pussy, soft, or whatever, just stop with the tired ass dog jokes already.
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