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A Chat With The Enemy -- Bleeding Green Nation's 'JasonB'

Rather than 'Five Questions' this week, Bleeding Green Nation head honcho 'JasonB' and I were able to chisel out some time earlier Friday for a little online chat. Our conversation about Sunday's New York Giants-Philadelphia Eagles matchup is after the jump. Enjoy!

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JasonB: So obviously the biggest issue facing the Giants for the past month has been the unbelievable amount of injuries. Where would you say that the effect of those injuries is being most felt and where have you maybe been surprised at how well they've responded.

Ed: Well, the pass defense is suffering the most. Terrell Thomas out for the year, Prince Amukamara still recovering and backup corners Brian Witherspoon and Bruce Johnson both down for the year. Plus, middle linebacker Jonathan Goff. Aaron Ross is a step down from Thomas, and Antrel Rolle is being forced to play in the slot. Mostly, the Giants have had communication issues as a result of guys being shuffled around. As for responding well, the loss of Goff has not hurt the run defense. Greg Jones has played well thru two games, at least against the run. Giants fans love the kid, and he shows signs of being a good run-stuffer, but he struggles right now vs. the pass.

JasonB: And obviously the Giants made some big changes on the offensive line this year and so far it hasnt' appeared to work out well right?

Ed: Well, that is tricky. The problem is not talent, the problem is the lack of work in the summer and the lack of two-a-days in camp. Will Beatty at left tackle has been an upgrade over David Diehl -- who is doing OK @ guard. David Baas is a good center, but with a new center and new left side of the line the issue has really been communication -- blitz pickups and guys blocking the right guys. That only comes with time, which this group has not had.

JasonB: See i think David Baas was awful against the Redskins

Ed: I think he did a great job against Barry Cofield, but not against the other nose tackle. Two games is too soon to judge, but I think he's a good player.

JasonB: Well yeah it's early.

So the other big thing...Is Steve Smith. The football gods surely have something weird at work here with Manningham and Hixon getting injured for this game and having Steve Smith not only healthy but an Eagle...

Ed: A great many things have happened to the Giants this season, most of which are out of anyone's control. The injuries and the Oakland Raiders overpaying Kevin Boss are at the top of that list. Losing Smith, especially to Philly, was not. I wrote recently at BBV that the Smith loss is the one thing GM Jerry Reese could have and should have prevented. No one expected Smith to be ready Week 1, and the Giants played a dangerous game with him. They basically put him on "hold," thinking they had plenty of time to sign him when they were darn good and ready because no other teams would pursue a guy coming off a bad injury like that. Obviously, they were wrong and they got burned. And yes, that one hurts given all the other things that have happened.

Couple of questions for you.

Ed: With six straight wins over the Giants, especially the way the last one unfolded, just how much of an advantage do you think all of that gives the Eagles?

JasonB: Well there's probably some kind of mental edge, especially after last year. There has to be some element of confident with teh Eagles that tells them they know they can beat the Giants

But, at the same time, it's rarely ever easy for them, so I can't see them ever taking the Giants for granted.

Ed: Tell me what you think of the revamped Eagles' defense? The book is run, run, run and attack the linebackers.

JasonB: Sure, that's going to pretty much anyone's gameplan.

It's pretty clear to see that the Eagles put all their resources into the defensive line and the corners.

So far those guys have all paid immediate dividends, but obviously the young LBs have had their struggles.

For the Eagles, it's a whole team game plan.

If you want to run the ball and control the clock, you have to first stop their offense from scoring and so far no one has done that.

So I think that's going to be the plan all year

If you can get yourself in a position where don't need to throw to keep up/catch up with the Eagles, you'll be in a good position.

Ed: That said, are the Giants -- a 'run-first' type team -- the type of offense that could give the Eagles trouble?

JasonB: Well both of the team the Eagles faced in weeks one and two were run first teams.

And I don't think things are all that much different between the Eagles and Giants

So I think it could give the Eagles trouble if the right set of conditions happen for the Giants

JasonB: But if your defense starts giving up a lot of points, then being able to run the ball isn't going to help much... If the GIants can build a lead however, then for sure it could be trouble.

JasonB: I guess my question is, if the Eagles are a pass first team, how many problems does that present for the Giants secondary?

Ed: Tons. The Giants simply have to find a way to keep the Eagles receivers in front of them. I'd prefer long drives to long plays, or quick-strike scores. Of course, that is easier said than done. Aaron Ross seems to play really well for a couple of plays and then suffer some sort of brain-lock and let a guy run free. Shoot, Rex Grossman and Sam Bradford each put up more than 300 yards passing and they don't have the weapons Michael Vick has. As a Giants fan, it's scary.

Ed: Give me an honest opinion/impression of Eli Manning. Does he scare you at all? Do you guys think he is a quarterback you can take advantage of? Do you think of him as 'elite?' I know that's really three questions in one, but I think you know what I'm getting at.

JasonB: Well I think I mentioned this to you before, but to me Eli Manning gets defined by the one completely boneheaded play he'll make in a game.

He really has every tool to be an elite QB, but those decisions he'll make in a certain situation are the ONLY thing that makes people think otherwise.

And rightly so I'd say.

Why he would try to throw a ball straight up in the air with his left hand rather than just take a sack is beyond me...

And unfortunately, that one decision he'll make ends up overshadowing what he does the rest of the game.

JasonB: So I know he's a very capable QB and if we give him an opportunity he's almost definitely going to burn us with it...

But I also am always waiting for that one crazy decision he'll make that will end up going our way.

And not be to long winded, but the fascinating thing to me about him is the difference in how he handles pressure as opposed to pressure situations.

JasonB: If you pressure him, you can force him into one of those crazy mistakes... but he doesn't get rattled by pressure situations. He's no more likely to make a mistake in the 4th quarter of a close game than he is the 2nd quarter... It really doesn't make sense to me.

NOTE: Thanks to Jason for taking the time. Our chat will also be appearing this afternoon at BGN. It will be interesting to gauge the reactions of the two fan bases.

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Beat the Philadelphia Heat !

Go Jake Ballard !

I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say

by Spider Lockhart on Sep 23, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

and trav beckum!

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by wilddre22 on Sep 23, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

All good insight

And I like JasonB’s analysis of Eli. That’s a great way to put it, and I’ve never heard that before.

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by pataroons on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Eli

The guy has all the tools. The description was very good. It’s that occasional mystifying junior high decision that makes you shake your head.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 23, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on

That was an excellent break down of how Eli is viewed by outsiders and that view is unfortunately fair.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

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by Blue Gates on Sep 23, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

id like to here this from all our opponents.

I dont ever remember it being on the opponent question list. If possible, please try asking this more often.

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by 1giantlion on Sep 23, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

+10

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 27 PHI 24

by tommy d. on Sep 23, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes....I like this format better too

I think there is more substance to the conversational tone rather than the 5 question format which seems more adversarial and less insightful.

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 24, 2011 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked

what he said about pressure vs pressure situations. Very astute analysis.

by blumag on Sep 23, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't make me shake my head anymore

I realized why Eli makes those throws… Even though he doesn’t “show it” Eli is every bit as competitive as Stray or Favre ever were. Eli absolutely REFUSES to give up. Be it on a play or on a game, and that’s why he tries to will a play into existence, even when there isn’t one there.

…And honestly, it doesn’t really upset me either. Yeah it can be frustrating in the moment, but it DID win us a Superbowl.

At least up to this year… Eli hasn’t made any of those plays yet and has shown remarkable patience with the passing game.

To me, the big difference between Eli and Brady or Peyton (at least up to this year) is that they have the mentality of poker players: They’re willing to give up on the big play for a smaller gain. Its not so much that Eli’s always looking for the big play, but he has the tendency to hang on to a play like a bulldog, rather than give a little up to get more later.

by Raptor22 on Sep 23, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

sometimes it upsets me, but I agree, like many great players, he’s not willing to give up on a play when maybe it would be the best thing to do. But understanding where it comes from, I can accept some of those plays.

by blumag on Sep 23, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're Better Than we think

I Think!!!!!!!?
 :)
Maybe ????
Truth is the way things have gone the past couple of years I wouldn’t at all be surprised WHEN we make the PLAYOFFS
GO BIG BLUE
( I will continue making this comment until the end of the season)

by tfp0827 on Sep 23, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Baas did very good against Coefield in the first half

Barry used him in the second though but Barry is a beast so it shouldnt have surprised anyone…..he was our best DT IMO by far.

Baas will be a monster though, i can see it in his demeanor, the position he is at is like QB, you just cant expect anything close to perfection right now with him being so new to our system.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

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by Blue Gates on Sep 23, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

See I remember Cofield

being pushed out of plenty of plays, but I don’t remember him pushing the line at all. The two sacks Baas gave up were to the new rookie, don’t know where they came from but he abused Baas. I have no memory of Cofield making a play that influenced the game.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 23, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"If you pressure him, you can force him into one of those crazy mistakes... but he doesn't get rattled by pressure situations"

WOW that was deep and soooooo riiiiiight.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related

by Blue Gates on Sep 23, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Not only Mike Kafka, but

Franz Kafka could pass for 300 yards on our defensive backs. I hope Coach Fewell has gone back to the drawing board to come up with a Tampa 11 blitz to stop the onslaught.

by scarlet knight on Sep 23, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

2011 Draft

Notice that due to injuries to our first 2 picks. Our third and fourth rounders being on the bench and no fifth round pick. The earliest pick we have playing right now is a 6th rounder?

Basically this is last year’s team minus its top possession receiver, TE, RE and a starting CB. Unbelievable.

by Madhops on Sep 23, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

Team Blue chips: Greg Jones, Da Rel Scott, JJ, JPP, J. Wlilliams,

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by TrueBlue777 on Sep 23, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Impressive.

Wouldn’t expect anything less from the second best football blog on SBNation.

Win ugly.

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 23, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

BTB kicks some ass as well

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 27 PHI 24

by tommy d. on Sep 23, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

BTB arguably has the best site. Some of their threads are as good as scouting reports.

by GMen56-11 on Sep 23, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Which is great for us NFC East fans.

If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

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by tommy d. on Sep 24, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

he showed Eli more love

than most people around the country have been lately

by Town on Sep 23, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I always thought Eli was a GOOD qb also

Jimmy mentioned another thing about Eli which I think is a big thing to hit on — he does not like to get hit like his bro and gets rid of the ball no matter what… often times leading to a ball sailing inaccurately , high, over the middle.

 I always admired how he handled the harsh ass media. Up until the sb they were NOT kind to eli…….although with the whole SD he brought that upon himself to a degree.

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by Joe_D on Sep 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

A pretty spot-on exchange of thoughts.

Even the critique about Eli. He does have the tools, however, I do disagree with one element regarding him and the is that he is defined by the ONE bone-headed decision that he makes in a game. From what I have seen he tends to make SEVERAL ill-advised decisions during a game that result in placing us in compromising situations although, the number of these ill-advised decisions that he makes vary from game to game.

Also, I have stressed the importance of our running game time and time again. The Eagle’s offense can’t score if they are not on the field. I am not suggesting that every play be a running play. that would be both counter-productive and impossible. The Eagle’s secondary defense are not the best in the league and can be manipulated to their detriment. But the core of our strategy should be to run the ball down their throats with the purpose of controlling the clock; killing time; and yep…you guessed it…KEEPING THE EAGLE OFFENSE OFF THE FIELD.

Factology! Belief is ignorance.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 23, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

SMH.

Factology! Belief is ignorance.

by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 23, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not exactly sure

what your talking about.
 
all i did was copy your sig, since i’m bored.

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by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

(espn and l-tech give each other man hugs and move on)

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by wilddre22 on Sep 23, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Eli and "tools"

I’ve never bought into the notion of Eli having these great tools but being held back by his decisionmaking capabilities. He makes some bad decisions, to be sure, but I’ve never seen him as a QB with elite physical tools – his passes are often wobbly and are often woefully inaccurate. His career numbers would probably be a lot worse if he hadn’t been blessed with first Plax and now Nicks – 2 WRs who can haul in even poorly thrown balls because they are huge and have great hands.

He’s not horrible, of course – there are considerably worse QBs in the NFL. He just strikes me as average in terms of his “tools.” There aren’t a whole lot of times that he makes a throw where I get up from my seat and say “wow – how many other QBs could have made that throw” – like, say, Cam Newton’s insane completion to Steve Smith last week. But I don’t consider him a “toolsy” QB done in by bad decisions – those type of QBs are guys like like Romo (or Favre sometimes). Eli’s an average QB who can throw some good balls and some bad ones, and can make some good decisions and some bad ones.

by dontstopbelieving on Sep 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Eli wasn't the #1 picks for no reason

aside from running, he does have elite physical tools

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by Rorschach44 on Sep 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't need that many tools

What are we looking at as far tools for a QB? Decent enough arm strength? Sure, he’s got that. Good size? Sure, he’s got that.

Physically, what more do you need?

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by JasonB on Sep 23, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's more then that and you know it.

accuracy, arm strength, brain, swagger, balls, scrotum to hold said balls, and of course just knowledge of the position. Eli has all of that. Maybe he doesn’t look the part to the media, but he’s a #1 pick caliber QB.

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by Rorschach44 on Sep 23, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should we call Gronkowski?

Or should we just have Jerry waiting at his car?

by Nick NoHeart on Sep 23, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The way I see it as an Eagles fan is that this game could easily be a Giants win

This is due to several reasons:

1) In the last game the Giants were incredibly unlucky not to win. As happy as it made me as an Eagles fan, I knew that we had no business scoring 28 in the last 8 minutes. So when healthy the teams are evenly matched.

2) Due to injury the Giants are weak at WR, however the Eagles possess one of the best CB corps in the league. Instead of trying to beat 3 pro-bowl corners with scrubs, I can see the Giants playing a lot of heavy sets and formations. The Eagles defense is strongest playing in the Nickel, so don’t allow them to play those personnel.

3) Rolling on from point 2, the Eagles are vulnerable at LB having seen Michael Turner & Steven Jackson rip off large runs when getting through the wide 9 rush. Also traditionally the Eagles are poor covering TE’s. So by running the ball down at the Linebackers (whom have all shuffled into different positions) and passing to TE’s, HB’s & FB’s on short routes will cause havoc

4) The Eagles defense is designed to counter the passing attacks of New Orleans & Green Bay, hence why they stocked up on Pro-Bowl pass rushers and CB’s. Hence the Eagles are built to defend a lead, and not prevent teams grinding out the clock. The longer a game stays close, the more it advantages the Giants.

5) The Giants defense provided the template to the rest of the league on how to play against Vick. Up until the 4th quarter in the last game it was bulletproof. By blitzing Vicks left hand side, you prevented him from rolling out, and by spying a player on Vick, you prevented big runs.

6) Pro-Bowler Jason Peters is the only player remaining from the last Giants Eagles game. Free agents Evan Mathis & Kyle DeVan are at OG, rookie Jason Kelce at C and former OG Todd Herremans is at RT. With such an inexperienced line, the Giants should be able to cause problems for Vick with just the 4 man rush, and even simple blitzes.

by Brawnybalboa on Sep 23, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

That

Pretty much sums it up. Too bad all Eagles fans are not as well spoken as you. Did I just agree with an Eagle fan?

by bigbluesd on Sep 23, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent post

Makes sense and no trash.

Makes me almost want to be an Eagles fan….sorry, not gonna do that.

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by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 23, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A great post sir

I think it’s a bit too easy to generalize Eagles fans. You have a different set of rules at BGN, therefore a different culture. There are bad apples for every fanbase. In the Giants games I’ve been too, Eagles and Giants fans have annoyed me in equal measure.

Certainly I think the G-men should have won that last game, but at the same time, you need to have a damn good football team to put up 4 TDs in 8 minutes and have strong coaching to not simply give up and wilt away. Vick, Maclin, Jackson, McCoy – I hate them, but respect their play, if that makes sense.

I hope the Giants go with a similar gameplan to last year, but don’t just play vanilla and become too predictable. I also hope if the D isn’t working, Fewell quickly adjusts rather than sitting on his hands as he did with the Rams. Exploit the LBs as expected, rush and hit Vick – a lot.

May the best team win.

by gatesoffire1178 on Sep 23, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big problem with the GIants O and Run game

is its a product of the passing attack. Its been a while since they just manhandeld teams at the line of scrimage and just starting grinding it out right off the bat. Usaully NIcks or Manningham make a few big plays and teams back off which allows the Run game to do well. With only one quality NFL WR playing this week against Philly’s CBs I don’t see the Giants doing anything well offesnively this week and that will lead to a pretty big blowout in the favor of the Eagles. Philly will be up by 3 or 4 TDs by halftime, this game will be a lot like the GiantsPackers game last season.

by Landeta on Sep 24, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diehl

has actually been close to awful at LG. He gave up 3 sacks in Week 1. To put that in perspective, something like 13 guards gave up 3 sacks for the whole 2010 season.

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by BigBlue21 on Sep 23, 2011 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

And if he had not been hurt

and ready to play, would we still be suffering through watching Diehl at LT, even though Beatty is CLEARLY playing at a higher level than last year?

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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 23, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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