Pro Football Focus Giants Review, Week 2
by Ed Valentine on Sep 21, 2011 5:00 PM EDT
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PrintLet's take one final look back at Monday night's 28-16 victory by the New York Giants over the St. Louis Rams. As I will try to do each week, we will use the numbers from Pro Football Focus for discussion purposes. Let's get started.
Offense (+4.6 overall)
Yes, the Giants' offense is struggling. Here, however, is something to feel good about. The highest PFF grades to New York offensive players for Monday was a +2.4, and that grade went to three players. A pair of offensive linemen, right guard Chris Snee and left tackle Will Beatty, got that mark along with running back Ahmad Bradshaw. PFF noted that Beatty allowed only one pressure against quarterback Eli Manning (+0.7 for the night).
Other positives were that center David Baas received a +2.2.
On the negative side of the ledger Kareem McKenzie had a tough night and wound up with the worst offensive grade, a -3.1.
Defense (+8.4 overall)
The Giants defense was +12.2 against the run and -5.4 against the pass. If you saw the game you can't argue with that. The Giants have so far played the run extremely well ... the pass is another story.
Best grade of the night? Try Rocky Bernard's +3.9. Yep, Rocky Bernard. You have to give this guy credit. From the time he returned to the Giants this preseason Bernard has been better than at any time in his two previous seasons with New York.
Kenny Phillips (+2.1), Michael Boley (+1.9), Justin Tuck (+1.3) and Corey Webster (+1.1) also scored well. Phillips, by the way, is PFF's top-ranked safety through two games with an overall +6.6. Phillips is playing at a very high level, especially against the run. By the way, through two games the Giants have the league's three top-rates safeties against the run (Phillips and Antrel Rolle at +3.0 vs. the run) and Deon Grant at +2.8. That is a huge part of the reason they have been so good stopping the run.
No Giant defender graded out worse than -1.0 overall, a score that went to Dave Tollefson. A note, though, about Aaron Ross. He was targeted 10 times and surrendered six completions for 168 yards. That is half of St. Louis's passing yardage, and an average of 28 yards per completion. Bradford's rating throwing at Ross was 104.2.
Special Teams (-3.8 overall)
Tollefson (+1.5) and Steve Weatherford (+1.3) got good marks from PFF. Michael Coe (-2.0) and Lawrence Tynes (-1.1) did not.
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How the hell did Aaron Ross not get a -1234546465 is beyond me.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 21, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
Aaron Ross should have got the finger for that performance he turned in
by Late for Dinner on Sep 21, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The finger is the least of
What he should have got perhaps Brandon Stokely small package might have been more appropriate.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
LOL, we need to start and Eliism quote board
by Late for Dinner on Sep 21, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny and True
I don’t know their formulas but how he was not the worst overall is beyond me.
Boley should get extra points for saving him on the TD attempt. If Boley did not deflect, it was a sure six.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 21, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ross blew,
but he did have a couple of nice plays that will be overlooked moving forward. at least one of which was going to be a first down in the redzone, and another (near pick deflection) that saved us from having to talk about Rolle taking another bad angle on a play that could have done a lot of damage.
You down wit JPP?
so is it now ok to throw a ball at someone after a touchdown if you claim it was an accident
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 21, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm amazed you haven't been banned from here yet
How many sbnation blogs have you been booted from? I know the Mets and Yankees got you a while ago. Bosox, too unless I’m not remembering correctly.
The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
Please read my sardonic wit and over-blown sense of self over at headkicklegend.com
by Cory Braiterman on Sep 21, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ross
Most likely run defense the way the PFF grades.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 21, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And strangely on the plays where they didn't complete the pass he looked quite good
It was a real Jekyll and Hyde performance from Ross
I hope PF figures out how to use him to our best advantage, cause we are going to need him this season.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Thank you for the info Ed!
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 21, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
Pretty clear that McKenzie was getting owned by Long.
Seems like he does badly against athletic white dudes. First, Kerrigan. Then Long. This week…..Jason Babin……shit!
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 21, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
McKenzie so far has had a rough start
Hope he can get it going Sunday
by Late for Dinner on Sep 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you think its just a bad week or is mckenzie old and done
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 21, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't know, but I know it's to early to right him off
by Late for Dinner on Sep 21, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
mckenzie , we just paid him, yeah its too early
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 21, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
10th year in league? who would replace him
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 21, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the last year of his contract
Most likely this is his last year this year, and the Giants will be looking to get younger either through the draft or someone on the roster. We will just have to see how things play out.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 21, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
From what I’ve seen, if the DE or LB can’t get around Beatty, he bounces over to KMacs side for success. Hope he regains his form from last year soon.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Sep 21, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just want to point out
That last year, McKenzie had a solid run-blocking TE to help him out. This year, he’s got scrubs. Is it just me, or does Jake Ballard seem to always miss on his chip when starting his route?
Rocky has always been one of my favorites.
From the time he returned to the Giants this preseason Bernard has been better than at any time in his two previous seasons with New York.
A grade well deserved.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 21, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
He looked great. Also looked spry for a Biggun.
It’s early, he will look fat and slow soon… :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
Ross was absolutely abismal
but im glad to see KP getting the recognition he deserves, and i definitely hope will beatty can keep it up
by TheNotoriousDJC on Sep 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
Great play from the safeties.
Cleary our work is cut out for us, especially in the secondary. I honestly feel that we will turn it around.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 21, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Grant
I still think Grant was worse than Ross. I can’t believe he was not negative, I’m assuming it must have been from his run defense. Several of those big plays on Ross was at least in part because Grant was very late getting over there. And he just stood there instead of downing the receiver on that 60+ yard reception.
how you think grant has been the last two games
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 21, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll agree
I’ll agree with that. He has helped when he doesn’t have to hang back in coverage over large areas. Good on run defense and close coverage but not impressing me between the 20s.
by Midnight Blue on Sep 21, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dud no offense
but do you watch the games and know the players on this team because you ask a lot of Questions. If I didn’t know better I think your a cop.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
by costanza! on Sep 21, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
hes a troll
been banned on like 10 other sbnation sites
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
check this from wikipedia on trolls
Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 21, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
how you can be banned from 10 (likely more) separate blogs and blame it all on them. Really, there’s nothing you can blame on yourself. Even so, your comments are completely out of sync with the topic at hand. I usually view everything and blog along on game day.
If you wish to just be a spectator, go ahead and do so. But don’t bother to ask simpleton questions which you can find the answer to anywhere on Google, Yahoo, or even Altavista if you so choose. Or here.
You’ll also notice people appreciate capitals letter, a basic grasp of grammar, etc.
by gatesoffire1178 on Sep 21, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on guys we are here to talk about the Giants
I understand some of you have history from other boards but if you don’t like each other don’t respond. I don’t need to hear about how many blogs so and so is or might be banned on. Ed runs a tight ship around here so don’t worry about whos banned just talk some football.
Thanks
by Late for Dinner on Sep 22, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey I agree
I’m not here to be confrontational – I’m here to read about the Giants. I don’t have any kind of previous history though I’ve seen jaded’s long history of banning.
Unfortunately asking rudimentary questions ruins the flow of the conversation and it’s simply distracting. No one’s here to just be someone’s Giants wikipedia. Regardless, this’ll be the last time I address the matter. Back to the Gmen.
by gatesoffire1178 on Sep 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This dude clearly kills it
I njoy readin every comment on this site everyday…but he kills the fun throwing silly questions like who won the superbowl in 2007?
i do but i just got back into football this year so i dont know alot about team
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 21, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok but
if you ‘just got back into football this year so you dont know alot about team’… why is it you are always so confident this team can’t win more then 6 or 7 games?
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 21, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL he's a cop!
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
Quick!!!!!
Eat your stash! Its the FUZZ!!!!!
we will never win the superblow!!!!!
TMFS!!!!!
by gianthawk34 on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he's a Chinese sleeper agent trying to infiltrate the govt
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Off topic, I think I figured out who's running di voo doo shit on the g-men
Ladies and Gentlemen, it can only be. . .
Jeremy mACLin
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
by AJ_in_VA on Sep 21, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
too much
time on your hands AJ
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Missing BBVers:
Simms-McConkey - FOUND
Step Up and Make Big Plays - FOUND
Blue Gonz - FOUND
BOBBIBLUE - HE'S BAAACCKKK!!!
cjmulrain.....???
The gangs almost all here!
nah, the opposite
Overtired. Busy, early day, on 3 hours sleep.
I’m too old for this shit!
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
by AJ_in_VA on Sep 21, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice
Officer Murtaugh
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
A J!
I haven’t seen you around but now you come back with this!!?? Sad thing is, I think your on to something…
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
been working a lot
plus I avoid the flame throwing threads that get out of control
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I hear you.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
Nah
Couldn’t risk losing him. When Hixon went down I think his primary responsibility became punt returner
You down wit JPP?
gracias fly
so you think TC gonna let Ross do both?
b/c I interpreted that as possibly Coe could start opposite Ass Cheeks…i mean, Cweb.
TeamJPP
dunno
I think he’s gonna have a choice moving forward.
Either Ross does both or Jernigan earns some trust in practice. We just don’t have enough healthy bodies
You down wit JPP?
I hope they let JJ play some at WR
They have to give him some work to build him up
The deep freeze will only slow his progress
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
my boss
he sends the wally pipp email out once a year…
Ross will be fine, I think Grant makes him look worse.. Just like Eli in trusting his line, so is Ross in trusting his support.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
I think Beatty had a better game than that too
He was up against a beast in James Hall with no help and handled him one on one except for one play where he went around to the inside and got through to Eli
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I mean McKenzie
who did ok except for the one sack late given up to Chris Long.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Mac didn't do OK
Too many plays that side of the line was getting moved around
I’m hoping it’s him getting into form without camp, it could be the post 30 blues
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
lets face it
if our blitzes dont get home, we are toast. that may be true with many many teams, but we need to press the action, because dropping back in coverage and sending 4 isnt working either.
dont get me started on the offense. abysmal. we can’t run. have we made a first down with 1 yd to go yet?
"Blitz not getting home" ...
is exactly what I was thinking during the game. PF is dialing it up, but he ain’t disguising it very well. Front 4 guys just aren’t winning very many 1-on-1 match ups either.
At least McKenzie’s grades matched my lyin’ eyes (didn’t he somehow grade out well against the Skins, when the Pick-6 was clearly on him?). He just seems to have slowed down significantly this year. Sad.
McKenzie looks like the 2009 version of himself
Hope he turns it on Sunday
by Late for Dinner on Sep 21, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He has to...He must have spent his lockout time at Burger King
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Teams are max protecting
So the 4 man front doesn’t see many 1-1 match ups
Cause one WR has been beating the 2 guys covering
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I’m not sure that’s true. As I said in another thread, their passing game is statistically mediocre with Vick little more than 50% of his passes. The important thing is to keep Vick in the pocket and to make the tackles after the catches.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 21, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with most on here that I'm flabbergasted that Ross did not have a -23458628190847.
But I am very impressed with the play of Phillips. And when you think about how bad he was in the preseason to his turnaround these last two games it’s even more impressive.
"through two games the Giants have the league's three top-rates safeties against the run"
Does this statement worry anyone else like it worries me?
You down wit JPP?
Well it really should worry everybody...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
It only worries me
because I know that we’re totally selling out the pass defense to defend the run.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 21, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, one of them is playing Nickel CB ...
by Shofner85 on Sep 21, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
True
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Kind of required
When you don’t have linebackers
I don't know how PFF comes up with this crap...
The only thing I saw was sheer luck with the exception of Boleys heads-up play, Hixons catch, and Grants laying down …
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LOL!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
With hixon out, Stokely's really gonna show Giants fans what he
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Sep 21, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he can do with his package.
The football team in my school, they were tough! After they sacked the quarterback they went after his family.
by Handsome Stranger on Sep 21, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ross
Call me crazy but I didn’t think Ross was THAT bad. He had a really nice pass breakup on a big 3rd down in the first quarter (the one that got overturned) which preserved the lead for the G-men early. He also had another excellent pass defense on the quick out to the flat that he nearly intercepted. Some of you guys make it sound like playing press coverage in the NFL is easy. I’d grade him out at a C overall.
Agree on Ross
People are looking at his bad plays and ignoring his good plays. He saved us by not allowing the Rams from scoring TD on goal line few times.
Let's Go Giants!
Boley saved the goal line TD
If he didn’t get a hand on that ball Ross let’s his man walk into the endzone while he is sprinting 5 yards behind him still.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Agree wholeheartedly
so much so that I mentioned the same two plays above.
I think we as a group are waiting for him to fail. and given he doesn’t seem to be great but he’s not as awful as one would think if their only source of reference on the kid was this site.
He’s made some nice plays for us and I think he will continue to improve over the course of the year.
You down wit JPP?
I treat him like a rookie
He played slot during the SB run.. then started outside once G.Wilson left and shortly got injured…
and been injured since…
This is the first real time he has been on the outside in 3 years.. he will make some mistakes, but his talent will make up for that. Like I say, by the end of the year, everyone will be clamoring for him to be resigned.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
That is so crazy
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Sep 21, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You're crazy
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
wolfram alpha
WolframAlpha=GOD
Hilo my name is toe mas
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 21, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
what a amazing website, right?
Wish I had that in college
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
So true
If you type “giants” in it you get all these awesome stats too.
WolframAlpha=GOD
Hilo my name is toe mas
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 21, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
J-Load!!!!
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 21, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
happy for my boy KP
beasting so far this year
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Sep 21, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
huh
WolframAlpha=GOD
Hilo my name is toe mas
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 21, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Ross made some good plays, even excellen plays. They highlighted one on the replay, showing he had the receiver completely blanketed. He also made some bad plays.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 21, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions
What was Hynoski's grade?
He seemed to miss some blocks.
Didn't look at his grade
but remember he’s a rookie and there will be some head scratching moments when a rookie is involved in that many of the offensive plays.
So far I like what I’ve seen from the Hynocerous, he seems to get just enough of his blocks to get AB or Jacobs freed up, and that’ll improve as he gets stronger and more confident in his role here.
You down wit JPP?
right
Hynoski looks good. He’ll miss a few blocks here and there but he is a starting fullback on a team the runs a power running game (or is supposed to) – as a rookie…not an easy task.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
well he's a rookie
and that’s really what it boils down too.
thus far i really see no difference between Hynoski and Pascoe at FB.
but of course….it’s week 2….and yes, that comparison to Pascoe was not really a ringing endorsement.
TeamJPP
Rookie, short camp, no OTAs
Hynoski is gonna have some whiffs where he gets fooled
Loved his recpt, he looked great on that
He’ll keep improving at the blocks
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
he did
and sometimes he doesn’t always hit the hole
he gotta be more decisive….even if you miss the hole, at least kill whoever you blocking.
that will come w/ time.
TeamJPP
Year of Redemption
Bernard is playing well. Ware is playing well. Boley is playing well.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
lets take it easy
the rams are a flat out bad team….honestly. I’m sorry to say it, but beating them is not saying much at all.
Bernard does seem to be in better shape…maybe he’s finally healthy? maybe he’s just finally in shape?!?! Either way, it does seem like Fewell is more interested in using 3 true DT’s this season as opposed to last year.
Ware…..w/e
Boley….we’ll see what happens here. so far so good.
TeamJPP
On May 25, 2011 I said this about Ware
In 2009 I said Manningham. Despite his issues, he did beat expectations.
In 2010 I said Sintim. That was before the Fewell hire. Maybe it was the new defense or a lack of playing time but he definitely failed to meet expectations so never mind surpassing them.
In 2011 I will say Kenny Phillips. He’ll be 2 years removed from surgery and in year two in Fewell’s defense. If he has his speed back, he’s going to be around the ball a lot.
Then again… Maybe a big year from KP isn’t really beating expectations.
If I had to pick a guy out of left field, then I’ll pick DJ Ware. Yes. I said Ware.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
maybe maybe not , they did lose to two pretty good teams ......i hope.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
We are going to surprise a lot of people this Sunday.
The Eagles can’t use the Vick injury excuse(whether he plays or not) since we have many starters hurt and even on IR. The players are ready for this one and want it real bad to win this one. We will win this one.
Let's Go Giants!
Is that guy holding Tuck?
1) I’m never clear about what the offensive linemen are allowed to do with their arms. It looks to me kinda like that Ram is holding Tuck in the picture of Phillips mashing Bradford.
2) I’m not sure the Rams are “flat out bad.” Flat out average might be more like it.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 21, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
This needs to improve by a lot
Patricia_Traina Patricia Traina
tthe Giants are 29th in the NFL in third down defense (24%); the Eagles are 4th (54.2%).
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
wow...
and even worse…we gotta be 32nd in the league in 3rd offense
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Not quite last
Close though. And the 3 teams worse than us? The Chiefs, Colts, and Dolphins. Even the Rams and Seahawks are higher…
by Midnight Blue on Sep 21, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
figured
the Chiefs and Colts were worse, thats about it
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 21, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
this could get ugly
but some people around here like to “win ugly”…
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
i'll take an ugly win any day of the week
We could look like poop this Sunday and get dominated in every facet of the game, but if the Giants can win the battle on the scoreboard I will be a happy man.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
My favorite is Manningham
but someone needs to counter the overwhelming negativity that Giants fans throw at Beckum’s direction.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
ok but i dont have anything against Beckum
I’d be happier if Beckum proves he is worth the 3rd round pick.
Problem to me is not Beckum but Eli not throwing to Beckum…
Hate to sound negetive
but it seems like it’s just going to be one of those years were if some thing can go wrong it will. I don’t see the end of our injury woes ending any time soon…in fact I think there more to come, cross my fingers hopefully not, but like I said…some how Murphy law is going to win this season. I think while A Ross did get burn allot…he did the best he could…effort wasn’t a lack, maybe his best days as a number one pick are over…or truth be told never started. I do like what I see in M. Boley …the guy’s playing like a beast and is every ware. In the two games so far…on defense he’s the mvp. JPP I saw being held way to often with no yellows flying…but i never see the guy take a play off, Big up’s to him. Tuck was doubled almost the entire game…but you can see he’s almost at 100%. Now that we have more wide out problems…some how I wish JR would have the BALLSl to reach out to Randy Moss I know the guy say’s he’s done but in this world money talks…even if the guy dose not jell well in the locker room…it be only for one season. And Kiwi needs to go back to DE… were he really belongs. Have faith on the young guns we drafted. I don’t like looking ahead to next season…but I have a really good feeling about next years team. There going to special and amazing…mark my words.
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I will say one thing Silo
Playin all these high draft choice rookies this year will pay off next year. i laugh because Coach Clawfin is pissed having to play all these Rooks but it will pay off in the long run although I don’t think Coach Clawfin will be here to see it. Bad year and the Chin is in.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I don't think Cowher is the answer..
How long has he been away, 3 years?
Why?
It’s known already that the guy is dying to play here. He’s actually waiting for TC to get caned.
Players love to play for the guy…not like TC…when he speaks …people look up into space. What do you suggest and why do you think TC is still the answer?
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Well I"m not sayin
I want the Chin to replace Clawfin but if we melt down and go 7n9 IMO there will be whole sale changes in this team.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I've been a big proponent of replacing Coughlin
but I hold out hope that the team does well enough that we don’t have to replace him. If by some unfortunate circumstance this team ends the season as badly as some have predicted, then I hope we take a young coach like Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh or Sean Payton. Pass on the Chin.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Why'll I do like the idea
am not so sure the head honchos up stairs would like to experiment with young unproven guys…not meaning tomlin,harbaugh and payton…those guys already have proven them self’s…the Mara’s and Tish’es would prefer some one with winning experience and someone who can step in and win right away.
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Once upon a time Wellington Mara hired a young Def Coordinator
His GM thought he had the right stuff, even though he didn’t have a head coaching background
Bill Parcells worked out pretty well
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Fassell was an OC with Arizona.
We did some winning under him too.
I would just hope that they do a great job of selecting people to interview, and then do as good a job as can be done in researching and interviewing each candidate.
The Steelers had no intention of hiring Tomlin, he was interviewed only to comply with the Rooney Rule. But he “hit it out of the park” with his interview and got the job.
I would hope something similar happens whenever we replace TC.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 27 PHI 24
I'm a fan of Coughlin but he may have to go after this season...sadly
It sucks that he was dealt the injury card again this year.
One thing that has been troubling me is that we have some very important people that will be asking for new contracts. I know we love to think that everybody loves the “I always be a Giant” attitude that some put forth but we’ve seen some of those people shockingly move on. The roster isn’t the same as the one that won the Super Bowl and I would hate to find out that some players really don’t want to play for an aging TC during the “youth movement” the NFL is experiencing. Nicks doesn’t have a ring and I’ve never heard him proclaiming his allegiance to Giants blue – I’ve never heard him comment negatively about the team either. I just don’t want to wake up one day in a few years and find him begging to leave because he wants to play for Rex Ryan or Mike Tomlin. I mean think about it – and I’m only using Nicks as an example – He has been here through some lean…lean times, very lean, so why would he not what to bolt ASAP if things don’t change?
I think TC is a great coach and I hope things starting looking better for the team but players are more likely to switch teams more now than ever and we don’t want 1st round picks to start leaving as soon as they can. Imagine that…KP21, Nicks, JPP…could all leave as quickly as they arrived. It’s on the GM, coach, and staff to create an environment where players, good players, want to play.
I don’t know…maybe I’m crazy.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
That's a very good point
excellent response…I can see some guy’s making a bee line for a softer coach who let’s players do what they want. I love TC no nonsense old school Vince Lombardi style, but just like times change…so do the people.
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I don't expect a soft HC
Spags, Tomlin, Raheem Morris, not soft but young and creative
I could see Marty Morninwhig, he had no chance in Detroit, but gained experience, and he has done a great job inPhilly
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
hell no
no way that we take one of andy’s lapdogs.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
last time we did that it worked out ok for us.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Crazy, no way.
You are just thinking ahead, which is wise.
You also did some deep thinking there with speculating on the young guys possibly not wanting to be here because we haven’t made the playoffs in the two years that they have been here.
The conversation you bring up is one worth having.
In the meantime, lets see how good the injury-depleted, rigid coordinator run, old-ass coach having 2011 Giants can become. Because the team we see now, will not be the same team we see in Dec. I for one think we can be alot better, but all these injuries…
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
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If Spags gets fired, I'd love for him to come over here
and bring McDaniels along with him
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
By the way
The Chin is great friends with Mara.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Did not know that
Anyone catch Tirico on the broadcast saying how TC was tech savy for his age on his challenges? WTF? He has someone upstairs telling him when and when not to challenge
I was watching
high lights of the first game the giants played after winning the Superbowl… it was against the redskins and man did that o-line play at a different speed. The particular play that i loved was when Brandon Jacobs ran over the safety Landry. Man the way those guys moved and the shifty cut moves Jacobs made…forgetabout it!!!. And while am speaking of Brandon…I think if maybe one day down the road it would be very interesting if we can turn Brandon into a line backer…that would be some site…him knocking a little RB’s block off. He’s got the size and speed. Come on TC…at least sleep on it.
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Why not turn Jacobs into a kicker? He’s got huge legs…
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Sep 22, 2011 7:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jacobs is too good at running back to switch
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 22, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course not now
I meant maybe on day when his better days as a RB are over.
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Manning with a career 80.2 QB rating
is definitely (statistically) in the BOTTOM 10
QB rating in the NFL. The only reason he is
a 80.2 rating this season is because you have
Nicks catching Manning’s poor throws with one
hand or turning backwars to catch a ball. Hikon got
hurt making a spectacular catch of a Manning throw.
How quickly we forget that befor Hixon’s 1st ACL injury
, he had spectacular one handed catches of other wild
Manning tosses..
Giants need to stark looking for a new QB. This guy stunk
in our predraft workouts against Rivers & has had a poor
career.
And I don’t need to hear that the NFL QB rating system stinks.
Eli Manning stinks. And Manning’s receiver would be a lot
better if occasionaly he hit a receiver in the chest with a pass
that’s thrown over 10 yards.
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