Secondary Concerns -- What Can The Giants Do?
by Ed Valentine on Sep 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
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PrintWhat can the New York Giants do about their beleaguered secondary? Let's not argue over what was or was not Aaron Ross's fault Monday night against the St. Louis Rams. Or whether Corey Webster was good, bad or mediocre.
Fact is, as a whole the Giants secondary has been horrid through two games. That is the only way to describe getting torched for 300+ yards by a mediocre Rex Grossman and a young Sam Bradford with no real play-making receivers to throw to. Right now the Giants have only two defenses against the pass -- the opposition calling a running play or someone getting to the quarterback for a sack or forcing a throwaway. When opposing quarterbacks have time, the Giants secondary seems to have no chance.
There are no high quality free agents available, and no one is going to trade the Giants a starting caliber cornerback. Terrell Thomas, Brian Witherspoon and Bruce Johnson are not coming back this season.
What can the Giants do? Should Michael Coe get more playing time? The 2007 fifth-round pick by the Colts got burned for a touchdown while replacing Ross Monday night. Should veteran Brian Williams get an opportunity either in the slot, where Antrel Rolle should really not be playing, or on the outside where Ross is being constantly targeted? Should they rush seven or eight guys on every down and pray that they get there in time to prevent a long throw? Should the Giants petition the league to outlaw the forward pass?
Is scheme somewhat to blame? I have argued in the past that the Giants have press corners trying to play too much zone, but now I'm not so sure. Several times in the first two games I have seen receivers run right by Giants corners trying to press them. I have also seen corners play off and have guys run wide open underneath for easy catches. We have seen physical breakdowns with guys simply being beaten one-on-one. We have seen communication errors, with players not understanding or fulfilling their responsibility.
There is no easy solution, and this inability to defend the pass threatens to undermine the Giants' season more than any other issue the team faces right now. The Giants have to cross their fingers and hope that first-round pick Prince Amukamara makes it back soon, that he picks up his responsibilities quickly, and that he is an upgrade over Ross and their other options.
In the meantime, what would you like to see them do?
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What Can The Giants Do?
pray
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
Control the damn clock
Time of possession is key
Yup, play keep away
and force teams to go the length of the field
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Sack the QB
All out blitz if the opposing QB can’t throw then the secondary has less passes to defend
Like LT says in that little snippet Run like dogs go get ’em Kick some QB A$$
What can ya do?
Work hard, study film, focus, spend time together, listen to your coaches, memorize your assignments, do what you gotta do.
by TNYFBG on Sep 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
step up and make big plays
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by Simms-McConkey on Sep 20, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yup
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 20, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
give it another week or two
main problem is communication… that is an easy fix. once you got that…
All you have left is ^^^^^^^
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
IDK
I would be more concerned if the rest of the league wasnt being torn apart through the air every other play, the packers are a great example.
We have to focus on wins, with all these injuries and no off season its simply obsurd to think we should look any different than we look right now,
With that being said, in the 2 games i have seen improvement in the secondary and the defense as a whole, as the games go on and we get Osi and Prince back we will be just fine.
Antrel??? he gets better very play in the slot so the “he shouldnt be in there” talk is un warranted, he is getting better and its ONLY WEEK 2 …..the issue really isnt the defense at all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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Rolle
He did OK in the slot Monday night. It’s just not the role he should be in. He’s best suited to be playing center field, ball-hawking and seeing turnovers. At least, that’s my belief.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 20, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree completely
i believe Rolle will be more effective when they have an actual nickel corner in the slot (Prince hopefully) and Rolle can play an actual safety role
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
That's what I said last year when he played so close to the line
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Im right there with you Ed
I would much rather him play the Ed Reed role all day but it seems like he is the most talented DB we have, so anywhere we seem to lack talent, he gets shifted to that spot. They
I agree there should be something done in order to let him play center field but when he is the best option for the slot and the box its kind of a double edged sword.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
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True
He might well be the best option. Seems Perry Fewell believes that, and he held up pretty well Monday night. He certainly was not the issue in the secondary. The real issue is that Aaron Ross was over-matched much of the night, and Deon Grant just didn’t get there a couple of times.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 20, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Aaron Ross is a tough one for me cause i believe in his talent but his mental state is too easily diminshed. One play he celebrates with the tripple fist pump and the next play he’s hanging his head. I mean Bradford basically was more scared to throw on Coe, now that is a shame.
Deon Grant simply needs to be switched out for Tyler Sash, not just cause Grant isnt playing well but also because Sash gets his name called everytime he steps into the game.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Ross
It seems Bradford was willing to just throw it up at Ross sometimes expecting he’s not capable of defending it. And nothing’s gonna stop every other QB we face this season from trying the same thing. Vick/Kafka/Young (or whoever the hell they’ll have back there) is gonna be thinking “No ones open, let’s try 31”. And sometimes he’s gonna make a play, but more often than not, he’ll get beat. That scares me.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
We should put KP and Ross on the same side
instead of Ross and Grant
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
that would be a better idea
at least until Ross figures this thing out.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
he plays the role for which he is best suited
he is much better in a run-support role than a ball-hawk role that helps out corners over the top (which we could sure use)…IMHO, he and kenny phillips have identical strenghts (now that KP lost a step)
Unfortunatly, we have no one who can keep the top on the defense like Ed reed and make QBs pay for throwing it deep.
Well there is no one in the world like Ed Reed but to say this
“he is much better in a run-support role than a ball-hawk role that helps out corners over the top " is a way off about Antrel, he probably does both with great effiency but there in lies the issue.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
i don't mean a ball hawking safety as good as Ed Reed
and i think Antrel’s ball skills are a little overrated
Agreed
Maybe like you said put Williams in there to see and move Antrel to his natural position. They will have to prepare hard and practice. Prince coming back is not the be all end all, he is green behind the ears just like some of our other starters. Whether Vick is back or not, Philly will really give us an indication of what should be done, because with Rodgers, Romo, and the rest of the talented QB’s we will face, fast approaching, now is the time to get real.Like it or not the games will be played.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 20, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I vote for the last option. Outlaw the forward pass.
Let’s see who can run the ball the best. I like our chances with that one.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 20, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
11 man blitz like that HS team
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Move Kiwi to CB
He should be able to jam receivers at the line. He will be a monster blitzing from the corner position and he has the height to compete for jump balls. Oh and he is probably better in coverage than Aaron Ross.
by Madhops on Sep 20, 2011 4:34 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I bet JPP could cover somebody
He’s a freak
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I was thinking about that too
maybe you could put him at DT and let him drop back to for a QB spy?
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
I was sorta kidding
but c’mon who wouldn’t want to see that just for fun? With his long arms? Plus he could put WRs on their butts off the line. And if was close to anyone while they were making a catch he would scare the crap out of them.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Just keep playing
I hate to say that since it is obviously not a solution. I just think sometimes there is no solution. I think that even some of the best teams have their weak points. Pass protection is that for the Giants. This is hardly the first time that is true for us as well, we just have to soldier on and hope it doesn’t cost us too many games.
Put Ross on Desean.
Hopefully its just fly routes, and let him run with him. Ross may have some of the worst body control I’ve ever seen, but he’s fast. Desean won’t outmuscle him. Have KP21 over the top.
CWeb HAS to go on Maclin, and help is needed from Grant.
Antrel most likely will be by his lonesome again, or will be the QB spy again
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
kp has lost a step from his rookie year
i think he’ll have trouble staying over the top of Desean Jackson
To be fair thogh, most of the league has this problem
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
so?
Coe on Avant & BWill on SS? with Williams & Boley locking down McCoy & Celek. JW57 has got the freakish athleticism to keep up with McCoy. right?
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Pressure the quarterback
It’s too late to change personel, we’re too far in to dramatically change schemes.
We have to get pressure with our front four and our blitzing has to be effective and timely.
We have done this before. We can do it again. We’re going to have to. Or else.
I was going to add
Can’t we become a blitz happy team while we wait for the Prince to heal and hope he picks up quickly.
I know the blitz isn’t a perfect answer and certainly you can’t do it on every play but if we do it more often than not what do we really lose. If the idea is that our secondary is soo bad that its almost a guarantee the opponent is going to complete a pass then why not blitz and put more pressure on the QB.
If anything blitzing usually compels the QB to throw quick short passes – and right now we’re getting torched on long passes for huge gain anyway.
We have a good D line – blitzing more can only bolster the pressure we put on QB and most importantly even on a play we get torched on , theres that much more potential for us to ware down the opposing QB with Big Blue bruises.
Am I that far off to consider raising our blitz packages up 40% – 50% more?
"It is super important to come out right away and stuff it down people's throats and make them respect the run. We have Hakeem and Mario and Hixon and then they can get off as well. It starts with the running game always."
- BJacobs
I'm not sure how much more the Giants can blitz.
But when we only rush 3 or 4, and guys don’t at least pressure the QB, we have gotten beaten repeatedly. So I agree… blitz away….
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
As an Eagles fan, the Giants have to pray that the pass rush gets better once Osi is back, because I doubt the secondary will suddenly get better or more talented
Yeah, those sudden changes in talent and efficiency rarely happen.
I’m worried about your WR’s
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
I vote for
outlawing the forward pass…..at least until we know MM and Hixon will be back.
the solution
Put QB’s on their back..
true Giants fans have a Love hate relationship with the team
by Mr.Williams on Sep 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Off topic but...
Rotoworld:
Bucs rookie LB Mason Foster recorded 10 tackles, a sack, a quarterback hit, a tackle for loss and a forced fumble in Sunday’s win over the Vikings.
Foster’s snaps were somewhat limited in the season opener, but he became a three-down monster once Quincy Black (ankle) went down in Week 2. There’s plenty of IDP upside here as Foster’s role figures to grow rapidly off last week’s performance. Black’s status for Sunday’s game against the Falcons is unknown.
Activate Jernigan already.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
I was very bullish on Foster in the draft.
Does anyone know how Ayers is doing?
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
I watched him the other day, Ayers is solid but still getting better
S/N
Very impressed with the Rams LB core….Poppinga and Leber are very underrated additions to Laurinitis.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
If our DL wasn't so strong, I'd expect GJ53 to hit those tackle numbers...
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 20, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
though we have JWILL57 making 7 tackles yest...
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 20, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Loved Foster too
Also understood that when we drafted Jernigan unless he was exceptional, his rookie season would probably be a wash. Also I did not understand how depleted we were at the WR position.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 20, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Expected that all the way
Mason is a beast
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
dont show this to R44
he’d still take Jernigan … Christ, THIRD round? What a whiff by the Giants on this one…
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by Simms-McConkey on Sep 20, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jernigan over Foster??
Wasnt foster a second round pick?? wasnt he drafted right after Marvin Austin?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
no Daquan Bowers was right after Austin
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
ohhhh
Wait so Mason was available in the 3rd??? LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…… well im still good with Paysinger, Herz, Jones & Wiliams but Jernigan over Foster is laughable.
Picking Jernigan just lets me know JR planned on giving SS the shaft if needs be….smh
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Or that he wasn't sure if/when SS would be pack. It was an insurance pick.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 20, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
back*
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 20, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
She seems to think it's fairly big.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 21, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Jernigan over Foster
go ahead, ask him. To this day he swears he’d take JJ
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by Simms-McConkey on Sep 20, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sure he would
but like i said before, he told me besides Daerius, Aaron Maybin is the only other Bills player he would take off that roster, now i have heard and i have said some crazy shit but that takes the cake.
I cant seem to ever forget that he said that.
Jernigan over Foster is another creepy statement but hey even a broken clock is right twice a day so im sure he’s due to be correct one of these days.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Jerry likes his playmakers on offense too
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Foster would've only played if Goff got hurt
which he did.
That said, still no, I wouldn’t take him over Jernigan. Hindsight might say OK, but that’s how a lot of you all roll I guess.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
^
ROFL.
You wouldn’t take a player awho is performing well at a position of need over a player who is performing poorly.
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by Simms-McConkey on Sep 20, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
player who is performing on one team wouldn't be playing on ours
don’t see the point. Jernigan might play in Tampa, maybe he does well..who knows.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
R44
would argue Beckum @ 100 was a better pick than Johnny Knox at 140
Certainly
i have no issues with Jerrnigan, but Jerrnigan over Foster i dont agree with.
I still think Jerrell will be awesome even though i think Da Rel Scott is more value and can do what Jerrnigan does as well and maybe even better but im all for letting Jerrell play.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I think a high-risk high-reward blitzing strategy is generally the way to go
Our secondary is poor enough that when we rush only 4 guys – thus putting the maximum number of people in coverage (assuming we’re not using a prevent defense) – the opponent’s receivers are getting open anyway. Blitzing will put fewer guys in coverage, but the way I see it, the dropoff in coverage ability won’t be so great because our secondary can’t cover regardless of how many guys we stick out there. At least blitzing gives us the chance of pressuring the QB and creating sacks or turnovers. It will lead to some big plays, for sure, but our opponents are getting those anyway regardless of how many mediocre guys we stick in coverage. So I’d vote for an all-out attack to force the issue and take our chances. Our strength is in our pass rushers; we might as well play to that strength.
by dontstopbelieving on Sep 20, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
I think i went to middle school with Holly Heck
She’s a pass rusher now?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
lol
Do you think Heck will ever get into the HOF?
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
oh man I knew I should of scrolled down further to make sure someone didn't already post the idea
i most certainly agree with your take on this
"It is super important to come out right away and stuff it down people's throats and make them respect the run. We have Hakeem and Mario and Hixon and then they can get off as well. It starts with the running game always."
- BJacobs
I say they should find a couple of drunk fans..
And have them strip naked and streak to distract the opposing QB..Women would be a bonus..They don’t have to run on the field, just back and forth and be seen…you could strategically place the volunteers at all portions of the field…the oppossing QB would be too busy staring at a nice rack then throwing the ball..the opposing receivers would simply stop in their tracks..problem solved..no need to thank me..I come up with these ideas all the time.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Yep it's me 56..in the flesh!!..no pun intended..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Why no pun? It would have been appropriate right there. :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
Nah, I got pissed at that brisulph dude so I banned myself
I needed a break..So I came back and will continue to mix serious football thoughts and opinions with attempts at humor..There is nothing better than sports and also having a sense of humor..When we win a game I am happy and when we lose I’m not happy..but humor always saves the week..I’d rather temper a loss with some funny stuff versus walking around all week looking like somebody shot my dog…and this dog thing is not a reference to our next opponent…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
LOL!!..good point!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Wow.... a 2 for 1
BobbiBlue and Step up and make big plays are both back! All seems to be right with my BBV world again. :)
Welcome back, guys!
Thanks olemissgal...
Time to crank up the humor!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Accent your strengths (Rush)
and do what you can to improve your weaknesses (scheme, movement and cheat)
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Sep 20, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
didnt we pay webster the big bucks, he looked mediocre to bad the past few weeks
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 20, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well he's looked pretty good to me
the past 3-4 years….
and for the record, I thought Cweb played pretty good last night.
TeamJPP
ross is just lost, Terrelle Thomas is another solid CB, but still doesn’t have the ceiling that Prince has.
if your putting
TT and Cweb in the same category than I think we’re pretty much done here….
we’re just not speaking the same language
TeamJPP
prince can be better than terrell thomas?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 20, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Prince
has potential to be a shutdown corner. TT is not the best cover corner, he is very versatile though. he was going to play in the slot this year where he would have been free to blitz, help on the run, and drop into coverage. what could have been… we’ll have to wait til next year to see what he can really do
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
It is really a collective problem..not any one individual player..
As a unit they just are totally out of synch..seems like none of our secondary guys know what the others are doing and where they need to be..I really blame Fewell for that..I don’t think Perry Fewell is the genious we hoped he would be..These frigging guys have been playing for him for almost a season and a half and they have shown little progress/cohesiveness..That falls on the coach…Yes there have been injuries..Thomas was a big hit, but these guys PF has are quick and capable..There just are not any signs of them gelling into a solid unit..Last year it was special teams and the lousy coverage in the secondary..I think they made a few strides on special teams but the secondary is still stuck in the mud..I like to make fun of Rolle alot because of his ears haircut and big mouth..but he really is just a blitzer and a good one..However he couldn’t even run to cover if a bomb or grenade was coming in on him.
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Reminds me just how important T2 is?
as the DB leader & head communicator
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Good point..communication is just not there..
and it has been this way for along time..I don’t blame the players (they are too good)..I blame how they are being coached..It’s like the old Abbott and Lou Costello “Who’s on first” routine…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Osi
opens up a lot of creative possibilities for rushing the passer. JPP can move around, act as a joker, along with Kiwi. It can get real confusing real quick for the opposing QB.
And that split-second of extra pressure might do wonders for the secondary. At least that’s what I’m hoping for.
There are no pure solutions coming from the DBs themselves – these are the horses we’re stuck with, unless we can continue to beat the bushes for FA guys who might surprise…
Osi's return
Hi Flamingo,
I would not assume that Osi will be returning at 100% strength, after rushing his return from his knee injury.
Big Blue!
by Lionel Manuel on Sep 21, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
How is he rushing back?
He right on track with how many weeks they said following the scope. He won’t play this week, he’ll be back next week.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 21, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
this notion that there is some secret answer out there....
and we’re just waiting to find out and flip the switch….it’s laughable. I’m sorry but it really is.
It starts and ends w/ scheme.
Sheridan/Fewell’s scheme on the backend is the problem.
I know it’s easier to just throw shade on the players (especially when someone’s favorite Cornerback ain’t playing) but that’s not the answer. Nor does it solve anything.
So we can all sit here and talk until we’re blue in the face but when I see a DC get a lot outta a player(s) doing 1 thing…and I see other DCs not getting so much outta the same player(s)….well, yeah….I think its safe to say that it’s not ALL on personnel.
Its starts w/ Scheme…and it’s followed up with continuity….and it requires a lot of balls to make sure when something does go wrong, you don’t set fire to the whole thing!
TeamJPP
You would think defense was the problem after listening to you.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
LOL
dont worry, i listen to you maaan……….{Cyber hug}, make that a {Cyber Chest bump} just to maintain the masculinity of this convo.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
We have a third defense against the pass
Right now the Giants have only two defenses against the pass — the opposition calling a running play or someone getting to the quarterback for a sack or forcing a throwaway.
Don’t forget the charitable defensive pass interference call.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I mean offensive, not defensive
Though we benefited on the other end last night as well.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
On the DEFCON scale im at 5
yea we give up yards , but on the positive side holding Bradford to 47% completions is huge positive.. Couple that with its our style of D is to give up some underneath stuff.
Also some cred should be given to the QB .. A couple of throws were absolutely perfect..
Osi/ Prince return so will the pass coverage.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
loved this quote
Right now the Giants have only two defenses against the pass — the opposition calling a running play or someone getting to the quarterback for a sack or forcing a throwaway.
Watching MNF I had actually said, “Our best defense against the pass right now is inaccuracy by the QB.” If they throw it on target, it’s GOING to be caught. Was I the only one last night who preferred seeing 3rd and 2 situations to 3rd- and long? Once, they got a 5 yards penalty on 3rd and 2 or 3 and the Rams moved back to 3rd and 8 and I was upset, because I felt their ability to convert just went up.
“All you have to do is PASS the ball!” I’m screaming at the TV.
Why would anybody bother to run the ball against the Giants at this point, other than to just balance out the D a little?
Can you imagine what’s going to happen when I go to the game at Gillette?
Tom brady is going to throw for 13,600 yards against this defense.
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 20, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
you remember Tom Brady, right?
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 20, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I do, I do
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 20, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love it!
I hated him when he said that! I spit on my TV!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
He looks like Jack Nicholson in the Howling
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Cuckoo's Nest maybe
How about you Chief? You wanna watch the World Series, right?
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
IDK but that was almost 5 years ago
who cares
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
13,600?
This is THE Tom Brady! Eli could throw for 13,600 yards against this secondary…Brady breaks the career passing yards record in this game alone…60,000+ yards – easily
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Hahaha!!!...I love this one!!!
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
I said the same thing last night.
When it’s third and long we are in big trouble.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
Speaking of the Pats
I bet they would coach their guys up and have the scheme play to their strengths.When I watch them they always seem to be in postion to make plays. Ed mentioned scheme, its either Jones not making the right calls. or Fuel. Sometimes I feel we get outcoached.
31 teams in the league
are outcoached by the Pats. Yes of course sometimes we are outcoached, there are a lot of good coaches out there.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 20, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Should the Giants petition the league to outlaw the forward pass?
yes, please
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
definitely
and while we’re at it how about outlawing contact below the waist on anyone whose name rhymes with “Mandon Lacobs”
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 20, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
not sure how i missed that
but thank you for re-quoting that, hilarious
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
LOL!!!...Ban it and just fall down...
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
The solution is simple: hit the quarterback. Executing it may not be as simple but a dominant pass rush will cover up the problems in the secondary. It’s worked in the past no reason it won’t work again.
by LostinJersey on Sep 20, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I stole this from another poster on the open thread but it is a classic
" They should make Coe and Ross
Fight to the death and then cut the winner."
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
that's clever, and sad that they are that bad.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
Perhaps the problem isn't as big as it looks
It’s not just the Giants and the DB’s, its a league wide phenomenon this year. There are currently 5 QB’s on pace to smash Dan Marino’s record and the DB’s seem to be in confusion almost everywhere. We are seeing poor coverage, but I am seeing a lot of plays from other team’s DB’s with NO coverage. I am not sure that our DB’s are further behind this year than the other team’s, I think around the league most fans are unhappy with their DB’s.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 20, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
When i say it, it doesnt matter
so i will just back you sir……… it is not a Giants problem,…….it is a GIANT problem, its going on everywhere. Defense just needs a few weeks to catch up to the offense which is simply just the reverse of what we normally see with a regular off season.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
yeah you are right I think BG
But it may also partly be that the new breed of young QB’s are developing a lot faster than 5 years ago. A guy like Bradford who was reading the defense and snapping off passes was rare a few short years ago, and rookies never played in their first season. I think it wasn’t so much lack of DL pressure from us as it was Bradford being damn quick, like a young Peyton. And he isn’t even the best of the lot, they seem to be storming the league
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a really hard time believing
that the personnel is really THAT bad. When it was CC Brown and Aaron Rouse, okay maybe… but this group has something else going on. I don’t like criticizing specifics like “they need more zone / man / press coverage” etc. but it just seems like something is up with the scheme. Players have strengths and weaknesses, but thats true for everybody. Ross, Webster, Rolle, and Phillips seem to be a pretty solid bunch as far as physical talent goes.
And maybe its just me, but I started to feel bad for Ross last night. Not because he was playing bad, but because they seemed to be just sticking him out there and expecting him to shut down his guy one on one. There aren’t that many CBs in the NFL that can do that consistently… I think thats a lot to ask. Everyone in the stadium saw them picking on him, and yet it seemed like they never did anything to give him a hand.
your mom goes to college
Not loving the Fewell schemes either
I was watching the Rams and wondering how Spags could coach this group up.
Go Giants!
I think he works at Fuddruckers now
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Burgers the size of Frisbees.
Lettuce the size of folded fitted sheets.
Tomatoes the size of sewer covers.
Awesome.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Don't forget the shakes
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 20, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate you so much right now.
I have 2 burgers marinating on my counter, was pumped for them. The image of a Fuddrucker’s burger has crushed the hope that mine would be delicious. Thanks for that.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 20, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My fault Cheese
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
LOL.
I figured out how to make them delicious again. Bacon.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 20, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes the addition of Bacon makes anything better
unless your a muslim.
Well a Muslim in public lol (no offense)
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
in public LOL
And I have just two other words: BAY CUN
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
My God, I'm staring at the Bacon right now.
I am going to eat the shit out of this Bacon.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 20, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
BACON!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Best answer I got
1) Play (a lot) more press man. There may have been mistakes with it, but not nearly as bad as the zone.
2) to make Williams the slot corner. He’ll do better than Rolle
3) Hope Prince gets healthy quick.
Ross, Webby, Rolle, KP, and Grant are all talented… I’m not sure if Fewel’s just trying to protect the LB’s and is willing to give up ground if it means holding them to 3, or what, but the secondary looked much better when they were playing aggressively.
This is the NFL
Give any NFL-caliber QB all day, and they will hit their targets. WR’s, if given the time, will find a way to get open. You can have the top shutdown CB of all time, he will still get torched if the QB can just sit back there and take his time. For a team that prides themselves on a top flight passrush, it has been woefully lacking. And they have not been facing the best O lines in the league. The pass rush is broken.
Pass rush was a lot better with Tuck back in there.
We sorely missed him in week 1. It was glaringly obvious how much we need him. They were assigning 2 lineman to him, and he still had 2 sacks (OK, 1.5, but the half was only because JPP touched the QB on the second one.)
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 20, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic...
but haven’t seen any love for Rocky or Canty. Solid game.
Now in section 133.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 20, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
Well that seems that way cause he's at 3-tech now
So he is more visible to the average fan…………. he played very very well last year at nose tackle though, that position is just not as visible.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Kudos 2
Rocky Bernard…… he may have jacked Linval for the startibng spot last night, really dont matter though, either way as long as he gets some snaps, im all for it.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Loved Bernard last night
Canty is playing well, too. I thought he also played well last year. Plus, he has the baddest helmet on the planet.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Yea, shouts out to Joe Skiba
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yeah
He looks like a robot or like those ancient samurai warrior helmets or something.
If he could get a red laser light to go back and forth on his visor it would be totally badass.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
He's the shredder
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 20, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
hell yeah...Robocop style!
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Seahawks fans talking about it too
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
That always helps
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Keep the defense less on the field....
yup! no more 3 and outs and failed 3rd down conversions, and eli not throwing to the wrong team!
The secondary
They are not playing sound fundamental football. Too many recievers are allowed to run free in the secondary. We play zone but we stay in an area and we dont squeeze down on the reciever during the route. That leaves huge holes downfield.
Either these guys are hoping by staring at
the QB they can see where the ball is going and intercept it. You still have have locate the reciever.
Our defense against outside recievers is atrocious. Look at the man’s hips! Stay with your guy, communicate with your safety if he’s leaving your zone and going into his! GEEZ!
Athleticly they are not off the hook! The talent is there. Right now Michael Coe is better than Ross. He gave up the TD late but he had deent position on his man. His technique was better.
by brandon7 on Sep 20, 2011 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There is a difference between press and man coverage
You can press on man or zone. Yes you saw our guys press last night, but they were still playing cover 2 zone. That means the CB is only playing the short stuff then passing off to a safety over top for the deep stuff. There is an inherent weakness in the scheme in that pass off if you don’t have the right players at CB and S (which we don’t) and you don’t have good chemistry between those guys (which we don’t).
If you want Ross to be good stop asking him to look in the backfield and make quick break reactions. He has a skill set but that is not it. Just let him punch the receiver in the face and run with him. If you look a him getting burned last night it mostly happened somewhere in the pass off point between him and Grant. If you want to get the most out of KP let him man hunt the middle rather than playing the over the top 1/2. If you want Rolle to get some picks get him out of the slot and let him play free in the deep. Fewell needs to understand the skillets he has and leverage them. That isn’t going to happen though. The guy has his scheme and that is what he is going to run. He’s hoping to pile up stats to hell with winning games. He has a resume to fill for his head coaching interviews.
agree 100%
A good DC should put his players in a position to play to their strengths. Our top 2 corners excell at playing press man coverage, being physical at the line and playing a bump and run style, yet more often then not they are giving a 10 yard cushion and dropping even further into a zone. Our safeties have potential as ballhawking center field types but our zone schemes make that difficult as they have more responsibilities with the corners passing receivers off to them. Rolle should NOT be used as the slot corner as it in no way plays to his strengths. We signed Brian Williams so why not let him play that spot? On top of all of this, bringing heavy pressure from the front 7 allows the corners to have more freedom in that they dont have to cover for as long. I doesnt seem like rocket science to any of us, but somehow it does seem so to Fewell.
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
Well i think you are right about chemistry
The lack of training camp didn’t allow the chemistry to develop between these guys, so the handoffs are not happening the way that they will later in the year. And the pressure isn’t coming strongly from the line consistently yet. And Fewell’s lack of understanding of skillets will result in things getting burned. Mostly dinner. But the Giants have basically chemistry problems everywhere, Offensive line, QB to WR, DB’s. Can’t develop it without practicing it. No reason to think that all of them won’t develop better chemistry by mid-season. We may have to limp along until then.
I am a fan of Kevin Gilbride and I don't care what you say
by Spider Lockhart on Sep 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted this dozens of times last year
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Im aware of the difference
They need to communicate when there in zone. And Ross got beat in man. He also got beat in man against the skins. He is out position a lot. They all are to blame, not just Ross. They have to communicate. You dont need chemistry, talk! They have to talk. “Over, over, over!”.
I never made it to the pros but I played safety in highschool and college. We had to talk as the recievers are running there routes. Its unbelievable to me. Just do your job! If TC thought Ross was doing well he would have never benched him for Michael Coe!!!!
Sorry, this aggravates me. We can do better if we stay fundamentally sound in coverage.
by brandon7 on Sep 20, 2011 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My post wasn't a response to you
It was to Ed’s statement in the original post about seeing them play press and still fail.
You are dead on that they have to communicate. A little bit of a feel for when a guy is going to pass off and where he is likely to be, how fast he can come to your aid, etc. Helps too.
Where can I get the best pics from last nights game...
Giants.com and ESPN.com all refuse to let you save images anymore.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Comedy thread Facebook
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 20, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
will they let me save them?
the link from Giants.com to Facebook just lets me view. Bastards
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
right click —> save picture as
should work
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
now it works like that...thanks
I was viewing them in some pop-up window and it wouldn’t let me but when I found the gallery it worked no problem.
That’s how I usually did it and I thought I was losing my mind.
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
this
not as great quality but its fine by me
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 20, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll try to download my head and send them to you
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Giant Staff
Giants Staff , need to put players back , don`t try to make something there not. Rolle was a safty when we picked him up form Arizona were was a dam good on, Kiwanuka is a DE, NOT A FUC// EN LB, again the Giants Staff need the help. what next Eli going to snap the ball.
Thats what happens when you go BPA in the draft
and then you go with the best overall 11 on the field, you are bound to have to shift some positions with that strategy.
I dont think its that big of a deal if the injuries didnt occur tho.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
He wouldn't start,
but he’d take some rotation reps away from Tolly.
Lady Gaga in a Giants hat pouring champagne on disabled people!?!?
It sounds like a joke but it’s not (yahoo.com)
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
by nywins42 on Sep 20, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lesean McCoy did what??
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
by Blue Gates on Sep 20, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
that's a rec.
"Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins." -Raheem Morris
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 20, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
make that green!
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
i can only do a tuck and rolle for failing history?
damnit, now I have no excuses for spanish…..
kibbles and bits
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 20, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel better now
I thought that was somebody pissing on my head last night.
Go Giants!
by ronjohnson on Sep 20, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure looks like she meant to do that.
Pouring booze on wheelchair folk…. not cool Gaga
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
It isn't cool!
It’s even worse that she was wearing a Giants hat! but not really
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
Well...she was born that way
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Well
The Cowboys just cut Brian McCann…anyone remember him from last year?
Redzone, quick slant, nicks lets him cross face, pick6, the horror
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
as does Nicks
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 20, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
haha secondary
Philly will rock n roll with this secondary. n i hated to say that.but the Gmen secondary is bad and Perry doesn’t know what to do. same script as last yr. can we c 7-9 or 8-8 at best
Anybody listen to Eli on 1050?
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 20, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
heard about it
media savvy, huh?
nywins42 needs a new screen name - "nywins46" sounds great!
MAKE IT WORK!!!
My first thought was
that we are a poor team against the pass since our secondary doesn’t have good WR’s to go against. ….but that would mean our ‘09 secondary should’ve been awesome.
I still see too much space between KP and the LB’s and Bradford was killing us on the 15 dig routes.
The LB’s are goated on the run too much ….why are they biting so hard on 3rd and 7?
I’m glad they benched Ross – he needed that time on the pine and I think it will help.
I do see one key to a good pass defense that the Top 5 defenses had last year…..all good LB squads. Look at the top 5:
- Packers
- Bears
- Jets
- Ravens
- Steelers
All teams that get a good rush with four and allow there LB’s to drop into coverage or their LB’s are good in coverage. I’m not going to beat up this subject too much as we know our LB is ….getting better but it’s not quite there.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Charles Woodson, Reavis, Ed Reed, Polamalu
Prolly had something to do with that too.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
The Jets, Packers and Bears have already gotten torched this season
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Sack the QB
All out blitz if the opposing QB can’t throw then the secondary has less passes to defend
Like LT says in that little snippet Run like dogs go get ’em Kick some QB A$$
I dont think its the scheme
this is a “bend but dont break” Cover 2 defense. We’re just not very good at it. We give up the big play far too easily. Unfortunately this is a very pass heavy league & teams dont dink & dunk anymore. QBs go straight for the throat. But when the field gets short, the zones tighten & we play better coverage. The problem is Aross is a human Bullseye for opposing QBs & if he doesnt get any help, we’l continue to be vulnerable.
We need the offense to step up & makes 7’s while the defense holds to 3 but this 3rd down conversion issue is not helping anything.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
ok im confused
first you said the scheme isnt the problem, then you said we play a cover 2 defense but we just arent good at it. That seems like a schematic problem to me
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
Seems like a personnel problem in a scheme to me.
It’s not that his scheme sucks, it’s that it doesn’t play to the strength of our corners. It’s a mixture of both, personnel and scheme. Wrong scheme for the corners, players unable to adapt to zone.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 21, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't C.C. Brown and Aaron Rouse
unsigned? lets pick one of them up
the plan for the rest of the season
LOSE and LOSE a lot and get in the LUCK sweepstakes ELI needs to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
let's trade the entire team
for every first round pick next year. we’ll just rebuild everything
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
So you want some college kid
over a better than average pro QB? Are you on something?
Blitz all eleven!
On a serious note, Ross and Webster were high draft choices from good college programs. Can Coach Fewell work to improve them? When is Prince due back? i see him as an immediate upgrade.
Problem Will Solve Itself in Philly
The Eagles could have Mickey Mouse playing quarterback, but it really won’t matter. The Giants secondary is going to get “burned” so many times this Sunday that the secondary players will “self-ignite” from the heat…problem solved!
Spontaneous combustion?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 21, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Giants secondary SUCKS!
There are no excuses for the play of the Giants secondary, last night. Ross and Webster were covering back-ups. The Rams two best receivers didn’t play. The Rams best receivers are “middle of the pack” caliber guys, so their back-ups aren’t highly regarded. The guys “torching” the Giants corners, last night, wouldn’t even be on the roster of several NFL teams. If Ross and Webster can’t cover those guys, what do you think will happen when the Giants go up against the Eagles, Cowboys, Pats, Saints, Jets, etc? If you bring the safties down to help these guys, you’ll have backs and tight ends running uncovered all over the middle of the field!
If I’m the other team, my formula for beating the Giants is simple…when on defense, play 8 guys close to the line of scrimmage and stop the run. Force Eli Manning to beat you with his arm…NOT! Just like last night, you’ll see lots of “three-and-outs”. When I get the ball on offense, I’ll throw as many passes as I can at the Giants cornerbacks. If Ross and Webster can’t cover those guys, last night, you don’t want to see what the Eagles will do to them, Sunday!…Prediction: Eagles 48, Giants 20
Stop trying to cover the WRs
Just run with them (or watch them in your zone, whatever), and when they catch the ball hit them as hard as possible. Put LBs at CB so they can knock the ball free. Plus, if every WR is running free the QB might get confused about who to throw to and take a sack.
Did anyone else notice that after the Vikings signed Rhett Bomar they beat the Eagles? We had our secret weapon all along...
SMH
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 21, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I would say NO
Bc we need WR (Acshawn Jeffery) or RT bc Mckennie is done.
The greatest player ever!!!
Agreed on Mckenzie. He has really fallen off since last year.
It’s astounding to see. We either go RT next year, or TE IMHO. Could be forced to go safety if Phillips isn’t re-signed, but I don’t see that happening. And with 4 rookie LBzez on the team, you know Reese won’t go LB for at least the first 5 rounds next draft.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 21, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they like Brewer at RT for the 2012.
I can see them going WR, S, CB, OL or even DL if there is someone that they like.
I think it will depend on who is available that they like. They can’t go wrong… this team has tons of holes.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 22, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Blitz all the time
sure a good qb will beat this but a good qb will beat us anyway.
This at least gives them a chance to force a mistake.
You down wit JPP?
I thought Coe did decent
Yeah, he gave up a TD, but Ross would’ve given up one as well if it wasn’t for Boley batting down the ball.
Even on the TD play Coe had good coverage on the WR, he was just a bit too short to stop it. On the other plays where they targeted him he was right with his man stride for stride while Ross was usually not even close to his man.
I think they should put Rolle back to S, so we at least have some decent players as a last defense, and try out Coe/Ross/Williams at nickel.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Sep 22, 2011 1:15 AM EDT reply actions
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