Giants At Patriots, 'Kudos & Wet Willies'
by Ed Valentine on Sep 2, 2011 10:59 AM EDT
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Here is your final preseason 'Kudos & Wet Willies.' There was a lot to like Thursday night in an 18-17 victory over the New England Patriots, an awful lot of young players who showed ability. Let's get right to it.
Kudos to ...
The Rookie Linebackers: I will talk about each of them individually in a second, but if you had a chance to watch the game how exciting was it to watch young, talented Giants linebackers -- yes, linebackers -- play like that? These guys were everywhere -- in the backfield to stop running backs, in the face of New England quarterbacks, right where they were supposed to be in kickoff coverage. Impressive work. Now, let's look at the four rookies individually.
- Jacquian Williams: To be honest, until last night I thought the sixth-round pick from South Florida had been relatively quiet during training camp and the first three preseason games. Well, Williams loudly announced himself Thursday -- showing exactly why the Giants surprised draft analysts by selecting him. Three quarterback sacks and seven tackles, including an impressive one in kickoff coverage where he nailed the return man inside the 10-yard line. He was praised repeatedly by Carl Banks, the former great Giants linebacker, during the TC broadcast and that is good enough for me.
- Spencer Paysinger: Four more tackles in extended duty for Paysinger, who just continues to impress. He got fooled once in pass coverage, but otherwise had another excellent night.
- Greg Jones: Four tackles, including one for a loss, and a quarterback sack for the rookie middle linebacker. Just one thing, Greg. Gotta work on your fumble recovery technique. If you missed it, Jones had an opportunity to recover a fumble, but seemingly could not decide whether to pick it up or fall on it. He wound up sort of 'face-planting' on top of the ball and watching it squirt away. On SportsCenter that would qualify as a 'Not Top 10.'
- Mark Herzlich: Not quite as many snaps as some of the other youngsters, but like he has all preseason he made the most of what he got. Had a tackle, a sack and a couple of pressures. Seemed like he and Williams spent much of the fourth quarter in the New England backfield.
The Young Running Backs: Sorry, D.J. Ware but after watching Andre Brown and Da'Rel Scott Thursday night I have no idea how the Giants let either one of them slip away. Which means Ware might have just watched his time with the Giants come to an end. Now, let's look at both backs individually.
- Andre Brown: You know, statistically Brown did not break any long runs. His longest of the night was called back on a Victor Cruz holding penalty. Brown, though, ran hard and ran decisively. Going up mostly against the Patriots starting defense, with the Giants second-team offensive line blocking Brown kept moving forward and making more out of plays than I thought possible. He finished with 21 carries for 68 yards, and he earned every last yard. Plus, it was Brown who sealed the edge on Scott's 65-yard touchdown run on the fake punt.
- Da'Rel Scott: How could the Giants dare expose the seventh-round pick from Maryland to waivers? No way they get him to the practice squad. Not with 97 and 65-yard runs for touchdowns in the preseason. He finished with 114 yards rushing on 12 carries and caught a couple of passes as well. I think I am even more impressed that both he and Brown pretty much put their jobs on the line by going to coach Tom Coughlin and special teams coach Tom Quinn and begging to be allowed to run the fake punt.
Tyler Sash: Seven tackles, two sacks and a forced fumble for the sixth-round pick. The Patriots took advantage of him once in coverage when Sash chose the wrong receiver to cover, but this is an impressive young player. You know what you have to love about this kid? He plays downhill, attacking the line of scrimmage.
Devin Thomas: Four catches for 42 yards and one nice kickoff return of 28 yards. This guy has a world of talent and could end up being really important for the Giants. If he chooses to bring his best effort every week.
Dwyane Hendricks: Five tackles, a sack and a forced fumble. And Hendricks probably gets cut on Saturday. At least he has some good film for teams who need defensive tackle depth.
Michael Coe: I think Coe has earned a backup cornerback job. Some pretty good coverage from him Thursday night, and four tackles.
Wet Willies to ...
Bear Pascoe: Love ya, Bear, but I think you played your way right off the roster Thursday night. Just like the first three preseason games the only time Pascoe wasnoticed Thursday was when he was being blown backwards by a defender. And it happened several times. Can't be a blocking tight end in the NFL when you are the one getting moved, or when you are letting guys run right around you to the quarterback.
Brian Williams: A 10-year veteran in the NFL has to know better than to go and smash a defenseless receiver in the head following a fourth-down incompletion in the final seconds of a one-point game -- an incompletion that effectively should have ended the game. Then there was the first-half interception that went right through his hands.
Kwillies to ...
Jerrel Jernigan: I am going to be completely honest here. Despite a muffed punt, a bobbled punt and a dropped pass I very nearly put Jernigan in the 'Kudos' category. I give the young man all kinds of credit for the way he came back in the fourth quarter from his earlier struggles. Two good fourth-quarter punt returns, on top of the 42-yarder early in the game. Also, a brilliant, twisting catch on the two-point conversion where he also nimbly kept his feet in bounds to win the Giants the game. The guy has been an adventure, and he is a work in progress, but if you don't see the game-breaking talent that caused GM Jerry Reese to draft him then you aren't paying attention.
David Carr: Not bad numbers (13-for 21, 116 yards, one interception), but Carr only produced three points. His interception was a horrible throw. He missed a potential touchdown when he chose to keep the ball rather than pass to a wide open Jake Ballard, then he fumbled a snap at the goal line.
Zak DeOssie: One brilliant tackle on special teams, but two very poor snaps Thursday night. One off-target snap that messed up Rhys Lloyd on a field-goal attempt. Another high snap that Matt Dodge had to jump for. It has gone pretty much unnoticed this preseason, but too many of DeOssie's snaps this preseason have not been on target.
Rhys Lloyd: His kickoffs were good, but he has not been the 'boom the ball out of the end zone' guy I thought he would be. Made a 47-yard field and missed from 48 and 49 Thursday night, though I am pinning one of those misses on DeOssie. It will be really interesting to see if he sticks on the 53-man roster.
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Smacking patriot qb's around
Thats right about where we left off.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
by wilddre22 on Sep 2, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
"hehehe
we’re only gonna score 17 pts? hehehe"
The Giants will probabaly move to LA because they suck so bad
by Jaybat on Sep 2, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, they did only score 17 points
SUCK IT TOM!
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by nyg94 on Sep 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did not see the game
but reading this post I counted about 150 sacks……okay maybe not that many but 100 anyways
haha thought the same thing
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
Totally agree about Ware
He’s gone. Andre Brown looks great and Scott’s a home run hitter. Both have far bigger upsides that D.J. I’d also like to add my own personal wet willie to Kevin Gilbride’s insistence on running the shotgun sweep play on third downs. IT DOESN’T WORK! IT HASN’T WORKED FOR THREE FREAKIN’ YEARS! STOP RUNNING IT ALREADY! Sorry for yelling…
Ware is a goner
Can we keep 4 RB’s? Becasue I really like what I see from Scott, you can’t teach what he has, and Brown has been pretty darn good too. Both will get a shot if we let either go.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we will
Andre Brown would be very good cover for Bradshaw, very similar player. Scott is a homerun hitter and should be a 3rd down back. He’s actually not a bad blocker for a little guy either.
he's not little at all
he’s 215ish
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams..Sweet Rookie LB's!
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Keep Da 'Rell Scott and actually find a way to use him
Get well Barden..don't want to see any of these other jokers as our 3rd WR
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
D. Scott is a freak. Guys his size (6’, 215) should NOT have his kind of speed.
When Scott hit's a crease he is gone
I know I am asking to much but it would be nice if Killdrive started throwing some screens to him, a player like that should get some touches becuase he is a dangerous player.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
GMEN don't typically give the 3rd RB that many touches
That said, by seasons end and perhaps as a ST wildcard, Scott may be able to shake things up this season
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
They might work in some special packages just for him
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Look for that after game 8
Unless he really blows the coaches away in practice
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I know it's Killdrive we are talking about so my expectations are low
But Scott on a LB is a super mis match, I am praying they figure out a way to utilize his speed (provided they are not dumb enought to cut him). A couple of plays a game is all the guy needs.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He's really
6 foot? He looks so little compared to everyone else haha
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hell yeah
he/she does good work
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
absolutely
although, they got good material to work with ;-)
true true
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks very much for the link.
No power here, so hungry for footage.
+1 said the same exact thing last night.
gotta find ways to get him the ball. Maybe 2-3 carries per game, a screen or 2, couple swing passes. Flank him out at WR let him run an underneath route in space.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 2, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Reluctantly
I agree. brown and scott really showed it talent last night and I am impressed. if someone has to go let it be ware.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 2, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In my family
We call that shotgun handoff the “Tony Galbreath” play
by fortheglory94 on Sep 2, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't work in Madden as a power O or sweep either
just saying
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I agree on JJ12
Think he may be the one who missed the preseason the most. His PR woes are as I suspected, and inability to keep from peeking. Yeah he needs to get his arms closer together, but it’s the peeking that is killing him. In a regular preseason they can give you 1000 punts to catch and then 100s more with non-contact coverage, it let’s a young gun like JJ learn the technique.
I’m going on record now, JJ is going to open up eyes. He has the goods and he’s gonna deliver. It’s too bad it might not be till next year, but I fully expect him to make big plays by year end.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I know JJ12 is a rookie
But I hope we have a plan be for Punt return’s becuase the kid is way to inconsistant. He is not ready for those responisbilities yet.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
He might get ready sometime in his career, but it’s not now
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I'd keep training him at practice
And give him a shot in a game if it’s out of reach, but clearly they can’t just give him PR duties right now
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Put this in the game thread last night
but it has to make an apperance again today
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Oh yeah!
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Da'rel "Forest Gump" Scott!
He’s a BEAST!
by leviathen2003 on Sep 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Run Da'rel Run!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Awesome
I love it
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by Giantssincesix on Sep 2, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Team Devin Thomas
I will toot my own horn today for calling this woot woot.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
I'm glad I'm not the only one
I only watched the first half, but I specifically watched him. He worked great as a posession reciever, I believe he went over the middle a couple times and made plays which we have been looking for. He would have had 3 or 4 more catches if not for poor throws. I was seriously impressed by him last night and think he out played cruz and hixon.
He's been up and down
But I’m thinking he sticks. Another size and speed guy showing signs of high level play.
JMHO – the bread and butter guys are set, Nicks, MM AB and BJ, the other guys are looking more and more like game breakers and not grinders. I like it.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
costanza!
woot woot,lol!
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams..Sweet Rookie LB's!
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Keep Da 'Rell Scott and actually find a way to use him
Get well Barden..don't want to see any of these other jokers as our 3rd WR
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 2, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd hate to be the guy that will tell the players that they got cut
Or at least make them understand it by calling their names in the lockeroom… The Turk is walking around boyzz
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pretty good considering he went against Ocho for the first quarter… deserves a spot on the team
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
Ok I'm a big JR supporter but I am thoroughly impressed
At the end of 2009 the Giants were slow. But in a short time the entire D has gotten a speed upgrade and the offense is sporting more guys that can test the edges than I can remember.
This team may still need some fine tuning, but it’s a team full of promise.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
If we could just find a decent blocking TE and a slot reciever to work the middle
I would feel much better about the O.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they may work the slot by committee, Hixon, Thomas, Cruz all deserve some looks and Beckum too
TE looks like a black hole right now, but for reference the Pats have had a black hole at RB for a while, So it might work itself out
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I'm not sold on Cruz, Thomas or Hixon in the slot
JR had no back up plan for loosing Boss and it’s obvious. I am just hoping we can find a guy who can block good at the TE position. Not worried about him catching passes. And if a good slot reciever get’s cut we might want to bring him in. I don’t think we should waste the season hoping that one of the three guys steps up, we need experience in the slot.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that's because they are in the position that SS12 was in 2007
Trying to earn the spot. I doubt anyone better gets cut at WR. Maybe a slow old guy, I tend to think of them as stop gap, unless he’s your guy like Toomer, they rarely pay big dividends.
I agree about Boss, I think JR expected to resign him and the guys they have aren’t getting it done. On the plus side, blocking TEs often get cut, so I think you’ll get what you want.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Boss
Well, the Giants were not expecting to lose Boss. Fact is, Beckum is and was the backup plan and he has been disappointing.
Reese....
This is where JR gets a chance to earn his money. Plan A: keep Boss(that didn’t work out) Plan B: Beckum(disappointing)Plan C: ? time to see what ole’ Jerry can do!
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Lotta guys
shaking loose this weekend. Will be a little wild I think.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yes Beckum cand hold Boss's jock strap
as a receiver or blocker….what a shame.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I am
A combo of Thomas/Hixon in the slot could be very dangerous for opposing defences.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed sir
Devin Thomas is on this team. Clayton and Reynaud did not do enough imo.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
I didnt even see reynaud the whole pre season
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I don't know....
Clayton has been doing the"little things"that coaches love like blocking,route running, ect not to mention his special teams play! He might not be a flashy receiver,but I think he may have done just enough!
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Yep and at some point
Devin will surpass Hixon for the #3 spot. This kid got a 2nd chance and is making the most of it not to mention does well on Specials as well.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Punters
I will likely be harping on special teams all year and the punter competition has been the best for us so far this preseason. I’d say both get a Kwillie. Both had bad punts followed by good ones. Good on Dodge actually catching that terrible snap that he had to jump 3 feet in the air to catch and 1 good punt inside the 20. The touchback was a terrible punt though. Weatherford had a great punt inside the 20 but also had an awful 38 yard punt that only went to midfield. These guys are not making the decision on who to keep any easier.
I'll take a touchback goof over a midfield shank any day
A touchback still puts the O 80 yds away, and that is arguably the toughest punt
Giving a team possession at the 50 is usually points
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Given how the coverage team "plays"
I’d almost rather have the touch back than them try for the coffin corner play. No chance for a return, and the D is still in good position.
Coverage teams
were actually pretty good last night. They pinned the Pats deep on a few kickoffs.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 2, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
hate to say it
But after killing Reese for the offseason moves – the man knows talent when he sees it! A majority of these kids are gonna develop into some quality players. Let’s just hope its sooner rather than later cause our 2011 season is gonna rest on their shoulders!
by leviathen2003 on Sep 2, 2011 11:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
JR collects talent.
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams..Sweet Rookie LB's!
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Keep Da 'Rell Scott and actually find a way to use him
Get well Barden..don't want to see any of these other jokers as our 3rd WR
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Dilemma
can’t keep em all and all lot of our cuts will get snapped up by other teams
by Cruz Control on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
that is the downside
to drafting so well
"Oh god help us all, the Goodyear blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Beatty, he has the look of a stud
Agile and powerful, and I noticed that Cordle did a nice job at C
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Baas
looks NASTY……I was looking for input on the youngsters that played last night
by Cruz Control on Sep 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
none of them played last night??
no starters played at all…
That was our 2’s competing with the NE 1’s and doing a damn good job.
"Oh god help us all, the Goodyear blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Brewer showed improvement
And again i was watching Cordle, he looked like a viable backup C
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Baas IS nasty
he is the guy you want standing behind you when you jump in someone’s shit at a party because they touched your girlfriends ass.
Walks up and says ‘hi’ to ya and just kinda keeps walking and the guy turns his ass around and sulks away.
Probably will sit on the sidelines ala Jim Burt with no coat, hat, short sleeves and it is 10 degrees out with 15 mph wind.
bad ass.
That’s a jersey that only a Giants fan would wear——proudly.
Think I’ll get my dad one for his birthday
So does anybody know
when the deadline for cuts have to be in by on Friday and Saturday?
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I feel guilty
I was rooting for sintim the last couple of seasons to be the talented ss linebacker he has the talent to be. But with him going down, there are going to be opportunities for these young linebackers to make an impact behind goff, Boley and kiwi! This is exciting! I actually feel better now going into the season than I did 2 weeks ago! If only we can handle this pesky TE situation! I am scouring the internet for the potential quality TEs that will be cut! Anyone find anything on this?
by Phillip P on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
I could see Greg Jones working into the mix
TE situation might be addressed after 4PM tommorow..as to who may be cut,I have no clue..I don’t expect any1 of consequence.
Opposing passers will be made miserable,seasons ruined
there may be no excuses given,only Mouts Smashed
Greg Jones Herzlich Paysinger Jaiquan Williams..Sweet Rookie LB's!
Greg Jones is a young London Fletcher
Keep Da 'Rell Scott and actually find a way to use him
Get well Barden..don't want to see any of these other jokers as our 3rd WR
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Sintum injury might help us keep one of our young LB's that has more upside
I really feel bad for Clint, not sure he is coming back from that, but the flip side is one of the young guys has a better shot at a roster position. Also barring injury Sash is going to be our future, he was all over the field, all he needs is some seasoning and he will challenge KP
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Dillard & Pascoe
should not be signing any long term leases
Nor send out any dry cleaning
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Herzlich
Really hope this guy makes the team
by TheNotoriousDJC on Sep 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
I think everybody is rooting for him.
Plus the guy has instincts and gives you everything he has, if we cut Herzlich, somebody is picking him up, don’t sleep on the Eagles coming in to get him.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Eagles are wathcing our waiver wire
for LBzzzz we cut….PERIOD
Our cuts are better than any thing they have
I said that in an earlier post
and everyone ate me alive… lol…
"Oh god help us all, the Goodyear blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
LB
Funny how a position of ‘weakness’ now looks to be filled with a lot of promising young talent
I was really pissed off that JR drafted Jernigan over Mason
Lucky for us Greg Jones fell right to us, and we got some very good rookie FA’s
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
the patriots
just got sashed.
"Oh god help us all, the Goodyear blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Not quite
But he looks like a keeper, TMFS brings the lumber but he still gets confused out there
I’d love to see Chad Jones come back to strengthen that unit more
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Said that last night too.
He plays just like Lynch. slow like him, but plays hard, and hits harder.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 2, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
is anyone else impressed
by how our 2’s stood up against their number 1’s???
Our second team offensive line just destroyed their starting DL…
and our 2nd team defense really held up against Brady. minus a couple of miscues…
and thanks Ed, for giving JJ a kwillie, I was really impressed how he slowed down the game in the end.
"Oh god help us all, the Goodyear blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Very impressed with the No. 2's except Carr
We are so done if Eli goes down, JR really needs to find a veteran that can at least give us a fighting chance if Eli misses a few games.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Carr will be playing with the 1s if Eli goes down
Not the 2s against the Patriots ones. He looked good earlier in the preseason.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Hey
I don’t know if anyone else mentioned this, but Lance Briggs requested a trade…would you trade Osi for Briggs?
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Diffrent player same headache
Briggs is doing the same thing Osi is doing, he signed a heavily front loaded deal and now that all the upfront money is gone he wants a new deal. No thanks to that becasue if you trade for him he will expect you to redo his contract.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
After all this talk
of how good our ‘stable’ (that’s right, I said it!) of young LB’s are we should sign Briggs?
Spend the money elsewhere, JR.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
"but Carr only produced three points."
Haven’t the defensive units scored more than the offensive units this preseason?
My point being, I guess it’s not like Carr was doing anything worse than the starters.
Maybe our O can actually score something it the coming weeks. It’s great to have a great defense, but we have to score something with the O.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
Carr stinks
He looks straight at the reciever he is throwing at and looks nobody off. However I just don’t see the Giants paying Sage 3 mil to be a backup so I guess Carr will be the backup.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
With Sage's back injury
who knows if he’ll even be ready
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Feels like wer're getting back to Giant Football.
I say we pound the rock smashmout style with the extra O-Lineman while the rest of the NFL goes pass oriented offense. This is going to be a fun season.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Sep 2, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
and a really good 2-point conv catch
that was not an easy play
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
For sure. Ed's description was spot on.
I am going to be completely honest here. Despite a muffed punt, a bobbled punt and a dropped pass I very nearly put Jernigan in the ‘Kudos’ category. I give the young man all kinds of credit for the way to came back in the fourth quarter from his earlier struggles. Two good fourth-quarter punt returns, on top of the 42-yarder early in the game. Also, a brilliant, twisting catch on the two-point conversion where he also nimbly kept his feet in bounds to win the Giants the game. The guy has been an adventure, and he is a work in progress, but if you don’t see the game-breaking talent that caused GM Jerry Reese to draft him then you aren’t paying attention.
Fields, on the follow!
JJ12 got some confidence after the 2 point conversion catch !!!
after that you could see a change in his game
Yes
Jernigan made very nice, noticeable plays. A few bone-headed ones, too. You tell me, what good things did you see Pascoe or Williams do?
Well Brian is a vet who we just signed
Likely shaking the rust off. He should do better as the season goes on.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Love the youth movement & LBZez
How many LBs do the Giants keep? With Goff at MLB I’d like to see Jones behind him. I’m not devastated about the loss of Sintim because it means one less guy we have to lose. I’d love to see Paysinger, Herzlich, & Williams all make the team. Then there’s Boley & Kiwanuka to start the season … can we keep 7? We have eight linebackers who could play in the NFL… how ’bout them Giants?
Also, Please lord let Da’Rel Scott make the team. Why is this guy not trying out to return punts/kickoffs?
Details of the operations of an interstate dog fighting ring were revealed, with some portions involving drugs and gambling. Gruesome details involving abuse, torture and execution of under-performing dogs ... He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning...
I think they keep 7
I like your choices at LBz as well.
I’d love to see Da’Rel returning kick-offs, but I think he lacks the lateral moves and “jukiness” that make a successful punt returner.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
by midseason he could see kick return duties
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If a Bear sh!ts in the woods
and the Defense pushes him into it, does it really smell?
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Sep 2, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Only if
the pile of McDougal had the proper amount of time to Fester, first.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Team TD
Sintim Ware
Herzlich Hixon
Jones Cruz
Sash Barden
Kennedy Dodge
Loving Da'Rell Scott
Dave Meggett continues to help the Giants. No way this kid drops to the 7th round if the Terps didn’t have him in a platoon w/Meggett Jr.
2009 Did Not Happen
Thank you Dave Meggett Jr!
Funny how you can find RB gems in any round of the draft, this guy is a keeper
by Late for Dinner on Sep 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You can find gems at any position in any round of the draft
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Not to mention undrafted free agents
Paysinger, Herzlich, etc. There are a lot of good udfas in the nfl. I believe tony romo is one.
by scarlet knight on Sep 2, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
J. Armstead was picked in a round that doesn't exist anymore
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Speaking of Jesse Armstead
I saw him on the sidelines last night, wearing one of those Giants coach’s collared shirts. Is he part of the staff and I missed it?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 2, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he works for the organization
special assistant/consultant. His responsibilities include special projects, defensive assignments, player development and free agent recruiting
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome.
Thanks bud.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 2, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We need someone to drop a TE unexpectedly
I know Denver is full of TE’s but with that cap room it would be nice if we could pickup someone that they couldn’t afford due to the cap. Nobody is coming to mind except….oh no….Shockey in Carolina.
…but seriously, is anyone with a name expected to be dropped due to the cap?
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
the LB play
it was exciting to watch but let’s not get too excited. It’s one thing doing it in the 4th preseason game. It’ll be another in a retular season game. It proves the Giants 2nd and 3rd stringers are better than the Pat 2nd and 3rd
by GMen56-11 on Sep 2, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
True that
It is easy to get carried away. But it beats them getting pounded by the Pats reserves – lol.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Guys i really want to see make the team
The Giants would be foolish to think that we can let Jones, Da’Rel, Herzlich, Paysinger, perhaps even Williams and Andre Brown go. They are all young and oozing with potential. Forcing turnovers and getting sacks is what are defense is about and they were doing it.
I’m not worried about who the kicker is for us. Dodge isn’t a rookie anymore and he has the ability to boom it deep.
I am so ready for the Redskins. This defense is going to eat Jon Beck for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I think the difference in this game comes down to us getting some turnovers and converting it into a TD.
Jernigans punt return could have been huge if we scored a TD after he did it.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Briggs wants to leave Chicago
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Chicago-Bears-Lance-Briggs-wants-to-be-traded-090211
Should the Giants be interested?
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
no.
Then what do we do with all the young, promising talent at LB?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 2, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Bird in the hand
vs two in the bush. Young guys looked promising in scrubs vs. scrubs, but that doesn’t guarantee regular season success playing with the big boys. There have been lots of preseason heroes who don’t turn out to be gold. At least a large number of promising increases the odds of the carriage not turning back into a pumpkin at the strike of midnight, but still doesn’t guarantee .
Granted
But think of the type of contract Briggs would want as well. The financials would have to be considered and Briggs wants MORE than the 4 million a year he’s making right now. It would be irresponsible right now to have to cut players at other positions and this one in order to make room for Briggs, seeing as how we are probably cutting a few good guys anyway to get down to 53.
by Well-Rounded Cube on Sep 2, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Any word on cuts yet?
Jets just cut a whole bunch.
Retaliation is related to nature and instinct, not to law. Law, by definition, cannot obey the same rules as nature. - Albert Camus
Cuts
Do the coaches have full discretion or does JR have to approve? The fact that D. Scott has gotten in games after Ware & Brown concerns me a bit. It makes me wonder how high the coaches are on him. I really don’t want to see them risk losing that gamebreaking speed. Hopefully he secured a spot last night. I would love to see him get about five touches a game like AB did in 2008.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 2, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
1. I’m skeptical about Boss avoiding a season-ending concussion. Although we miss him (not as much as Eli does), I don’t think he would get throug the whole season. Actually, with his concussion history, I con’t think he should even be playing.
2. They did run some plays for DScott. Of course there was the fake punt but also they ran a slot receiver screen which went for around 10 yards, like they used to run for Tiki. He got out so fast on the fake punt it was unbelievable. He was 10 yards down the field before the Pats had a clue what was happening.
3. So very very glad they gave JJ #12. I think he’s gonna give it a whole new meaning.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 2, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
I tried looking up the game highlights on youtube
After typing in ‘Giants Patriots’, all these confusing options came up like ‘Giants Patriots final drive’, ‘Giants Patriots superbowl’, ‘Giants Patriots 18-1’, ‘Giants Patriots helmet catch’. Does anyone have any clue what youtube is talking about?
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
SuperNzYme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d39RwUV_p2I&feature=channel_video_title
does a bunch from every game, a lot from yesterdays game
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 2, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, thanks...
really good stuff
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
Lol
Aaahhh…memories
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Impressed
Our scout team did a lot to beat up the Patriots last night. I watched through the New England broadcast, and if the commentators actually knew what they were talking about (referred to Carr as Eli for the first couple series, if I remember correctly), they should have been very concerned. Yes, the score indicated something else early on, but the fact that the Pats first-stringers scored off a couple of mistakes and otherwise got tossed around by Giant 3s and 4s should be very concerning for New England fans.
With that out of the way, a couple of notes:
Andre Brown and Da’Rel Scott were outstanding. Yes, Brown’s numbers may look a little off, but consider that the guy was making plays when nothing was there, and a few of the runs he was stuffed on were largely due to the fact that our backup offensive line was taking on a good Patriots front.
The fact that Ware was next to non-existent (did he get any snaps?) should be of huge concern to him. I think he’s done.
I thought Jernigan played his way off the team, but perhaps he rebounded with some nice plays late. Still, he’s choked far too many times in the return game to be trusted back there, and catches against the Patriots’ backups don’t impress me that much.
A friend kept asking me “Who’s the fat kicker?” I thought Tynes’ job might be in jeopardy somewhat until last night. I don’t see Lloyd sticking around once Tynes is healthy.
ED, I USUALLY DON’T TYPE IN CAPS, BUT CAN I GET A WET WILLIE FOR HIXON?
The guy was god-awful last night. Started the game with a fumble, and then looked very responsible for the interception you faulted Carr for. Carr clearly threw it to the back shoulder, and the throw looked to be on the money if Hixon had run the right route. It’s hard to tell in those kinds of situations who did the wrong thing, but I’m less willing to give Hixon the benefit of the doubt.
Other than that, it looks like we’re going to lose a lot of talent in the roster cuts. Our young guys on the whole played very well.
+1 on Hixon
I was wondering when someone was going to point out the bad night he had. Definitely deserves a wet willie for causing two turnovers, even though he did have one nice gain later in the game.
by Mr. Jamsackson on Sep 2, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see the linbackers shake out like this...
SLB: Kiwi and Tracy
MLB: Goff and Jones
WLB: Boley, Paysinger, and Williams
With Herzlich thrown in to back up all three and play specials like Blackburn did for us. I know eight may be a lot but the giants can carry four DE’s instead of five since Kiwi will still be getting playing time at the position.
by Gmen_Fan_Forever on Sep 2, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions
Loved What I Saw in This Game
Giants 2nd team pretty much playing at the level of Pats’ 1st team. Shows how much depth our team has and that is a great thing to see.
JR hit gold with all his rookie LBs. Want to keep them all. Maybe a bit of injury luck for Giants, with Sintim going down and opening a spot for a hungry, young athletic LB who actually fits our system.
JJ12 I think will be pretty awesome when he settles down and learns how to catch some footballs. Remember another rookie WR who had problems holding on to the football… Jerry Rice anyone? How did that one turn out? Now I’m not crazy enough to compare JJ to Rice, but give the kid some time and he might turn out to be an awesome weapon for us.
Da’rel Scott better make the team is all I can say. JR hits gold again with a 7th round RB!! Kid is explosive and want to see him playing this year. Brown looked really good too.
And Matt Dodge is actually starting to impress me with the progress he is making. Caught an errant snap and got off a great kick. Great stuff to see.
A lot of stuff to get really excited about with the season upon us. If the O & the ST can just protect that football, the Giants look “Super” solid.
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