'Friday Five' With Pat Traina, Antrel Rolle Edition
by Ed Valentine on Sep 16, 2011 6:44 AM EDT
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PrintIt is time for our weekly 'Friday Five' segment with the always-informative editor of Inside Football, Pat Traina. This week we talk about Antrel Rolle and other issues surrounding the New York Giants following a Week 1 loss to the Washington Redskins. Check Train-A-Thought for my answers to Pat's questions.
Ed: There was, obviously, a lot to be concerned about in the season-opening loss to Washington. Going forward, what did you see that the Giants should be most concerned about?
Pat: The offensive line. I realize that it's still a work in progress, but these guys are veterans and some of the inside stuff they were giving up were just downright scary. You could have Tom Brady himself standing back there and if the line doesn't do its job, I don't think it will matter. They need to pick up their play and fast.
Ed: Antrel Rolle talked a lot this week. Out of all the things he said perhaps the thing to focus on in his talking about the secondary playing with a lack of urgency against Washington. That is amazing for a season opener. Do you sense that there is a lack of urgency, passion, motivation, whatever you want to call it, around this team?
Pat: Remember how during the preseason we learned about how Sage Rosenfels played despite having been sick? The point here is that we just don't know what's going through a guy's mind. Maybe he's not feeling well and that's showing up in his play. Does that make him less motivated? No. But it does make him less effective if he's not 100% of mind and body.
Ed: Speaking of Rolle, you know him perhaps better than any of the beat writers. Is he from what you can see becoming a problem in the locker room or for the organization, and why does he keep sticking his foot in his mouth?
Pat: You're probably giving me a little too much credit here but thanks anyway. I have spoken to Rolle on many occasions though and I truly believe he's not a bad kid. He's very passionate about his work and wears his heart on his sleeve. He takes pride in what he does, and I don't' think you can fault someone for being competitive or for taking pride in their work.
With that said, there's no question that he's very outspoken and opinionated, and that's what I think rubs people the wrong way. It's like the fan in the sports bar that has the rose-colored glasses on when it comes to his team and will loudly proclaim to anyone that listens how good his team is even if the truth is staring him right in the face. Does that make the guy a bad person? No. Can it get annoying? Yes.
Ed: I seem to like doing this, so I'm going to throw one of your questions for me right back at you. Knowing what we know now, if we were to have Jerry Reese go back and undo one thing that was done leading up to this point, what would it be and why?
Pat: Ah c'mon Ed. You need to be a little more original! I would say tight end would be the one move I'd like to see redone. Now while I don't fault Reese for letting Kevin Boss go, what I do fault him for is leaving the cupboard so dry given Beckum's injury history (and yes I'm aware that he tried to address the position, but realistically, who was left of quality given the timing of the whole transaction?).
I don't know about you, but last week when Ballard had to come out of the game, I had nightmares live in the daytime. I'm still not comfortable that they have only two healthy true tight ends on that roster and at this point there really isn't anyone out there that I think will solve the problem.
Ed: During preseason I thought the Giants defense was going to have to win games for this team while the offense developed. Now, I'm not sure how good the defense can be. In your opinion do the Giants still have enough talent to be a top-flight defense?
Pat: I think it's too soon to tell. When you take out a key component from all three units - at corner, it's Thomas, at linebacker, it's Goff and on the defensive line, you have to hope that Tuck is done missing games and that Osi Umenyiora comes back - that's a lot to overcome. Then you look at the replacements - at corner you have Aaron Ross, who still hasn't' been the same since his rookie season; Tollefson at defensive end, who has a ton of heart but who quite isn't in the same area code as Tuck, Osi and JPP; and Greg Jones at linebacker who while showing a lot of promise, still is feeling his way around in space. What I'm getting at is you're not replacing apples with apples; that's why your juice mix is going to have a twist of orange in it.
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Interesting nugget.
“It’s like the fan in the sports bar that has the rose-colored glasses on when it comes to his team and will loudly proclaim to anyone that listens how good his team is even if the truth is staring him right in the face.”
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 16, 2011 6:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In Rolle's case
he has a weekly radio gig. Whether people are sitting in a sports bar or sitting
at home with their remote, beer, wife beater T- Shirt, and scratching their crotch, going to hear his
opinions, get use to it folks.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 16, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thank youuuuu
many people bashing him dont realize he has the weekly radio spot
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 16, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Stokely in the slot will get passes intended for a TE...
Does anyone think Barden or Beckum will play for us this year?
I'm sure
Barden will get some play time, especially in the red zone. Even if he isn’t the most effective, someone of his stature will still make the defense respect him.
But Beckum not so sure, unless he does stuff in practice that blows the coaching staffs mind. Nothing says someone can’t “just get it.” Look at Brees. He was horrid at the beginning of his career, and then all of a sudden he was amazing.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 16, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions
MAN...we've bbeen tootin that horn for a while now.
Hopefully he finds himself to strength and endurance to find his way to the field for more than a few plays.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Why not keep.......
Ballard out there and see how he progresses. He had a good 1st game and showed some real toughness. I’m tired of hearing about Beckhum. He’s not that good and he can’t stay on the field anyway. Can’t even block….
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
We don't have a TE do we?
Ballard still has to show and prove, and I’m guessing Barden will have a better shot than Beckum.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 16, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Barden will be back week 7, Beckum who cares
Barden is out on PUP, started running. Has to stay out ’til 7th game.
Beckum, give his past productivity, I don’t care. Until proven otherwise, a waste of space.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 16, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This
prove me wrong Beckum but it don’t look good to me so far
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 16, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, my god
She criticized St. Jerry. Yea, not addressing tight end in the draft was a bad idea. Right now, i wish we picked a TE in the third round instead of Jernigan. The coaches apparently don’t want this guy to touch the football.
Hind sight ..yea.
But we had a injured SS and no idea of how he was goign to heal. We still had boss too. I think the need was more wr and jernigan had flashed a lot of playmaking ability. At least he’s still on the roster and not cut bait. That helps the case discussion wise lol. To add…doesnt it take longer for wrs to get into NFL gamespeed…typically?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Jernigan
It is way too early to criticize that pick. Remember, no mini-camps or OTAs for these guys and a huge adjustment to the NFL and learning curve with the Giants offense for a guy like this. Shoot, three years later we still have guys around here tooting Beckum’s horn so let’s not write off Jernigan when he hasn’t even played yet.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 16, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I only agree somewhat
I agree to some point but I have always felt the “new to the NFL” thing gets overplayed. Just cause a guy is now in the NFL and not college should not mean he suddenly has forgotten how to catch a ball thrown/kicked at him or how to throw a ball to an uncovered/wide open receiver or how to run a route. I think people give rookies a pass sometimes when it is undeserved. Learning a route is one thing. Being capable of running the route after it is learned should be something they’ve known how to do since highschool. And if we are drafting guys who do not know how to run a route that is a bigger problem.
I know this is a rant but this is a huge pet peeve of mine. And I think it gets thrown around all over the league for all of the positions. A huge number of these guys played a schools that have crowds bigger than most NFL stadiums on nationally televised games, so the bright lights thing should no longer matter either. I understand learning to deal with higher competition, but why is it treated like these guys seeing a football for the first time in their lives. With Jernigan the issue in preseason on punt returns was not the returns themselves, it was catching the punt. And that is something he’s been doing for more than a decade probably, why suddenly forget how to do that now?
by Midnight Blue on Sep 16, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
WR
usually takes 3 years to get fully accustomed especially in the slot. Guys that are big time rookies, like Dez Bryant and such are just running on the outside. They don’t need to run the most precise route because their physical and talent overcomes that fault.
But if you ran those same rookie WR in the slot they will mess up.
In college you do not need to run precise routes like in the pros. A lot of WR do not learn correctly, because its not as needed.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 16, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Why does a player forget how to do what he has been doing for a decade?
He doesn’t. It’s called pressure. The lights are brighter in the NFL. A young player is around grown men, not just kids anymore. And these grown men expect things from you. Add in the fact that in many cases you are no longer one of the best players on the field like you were in college, and guys succumb to the pressure.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
Yes
We have buys like Beckum, MM and Barden who still cannot run routes sharply/correctly after years. We hold on to guys like Sintim (who finally did come around), Wilkerson, etc.
Give JJ a chance. He has rookie jitters. If he is still like this in a year or two, give him the boot.
Too much talent there to throw him out so quickly.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 16, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
St. Jerry
Tooting my own horn here, but if you go read my answers to her questions this morning I was also critical of Reese. Not so much about tight end, but about the loss of a particular free agent wide receiver to the Eagles.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 16, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He needed to
have a Plan B at TE, unless he considered Ben Patrick that Plan B, not!
Personally, I am more upset about that lack of Plan B, than the loss of SS12.
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring".....Tommy Couglin
by Great Gatsby on Sep 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
who, then?
name a TE to draft in the third round. Just take note that if its not Kyle Rudolph, who isn’t a good blocker anyway as of yet, they most likely suck.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Rolle
I’m accepting the fact he is who he is and most likely will not change. With that I think we are going to have to expect bonehead penalties or blown plays due to his over aggressive play and his outspokenness.
The most important thing is that his mistakes aren’t game breaking. Though agonizing I do not think his personal foul was game breaking. Yeah it helped push the skins out of reach, but it was not the play that turned the tide.
That happened much earlier.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
Screen pass to Da'rel?
Or fake screen to Da’rel, then pass the other way to Manningham. Let’s open up the offense with our speed!
Scott
I think, eventually, you will see Scott with a bigger role in the offense than DJ Ware. It will take a little time, though.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 16, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
what is the point of even using dj ware i dont understand it
brandon jacobs with 6 carries? and dj ware touched the ball? that doesnt make sense
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 16, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Better question:
Why does Ware have 1 carry if BJ has 6?
Perhaps BJ had to run off to the port-a-potty?
They really need to try to get BJ 10-15 carries and to give him the ball early. (I’d also like to see AB get 10-15, and I’d like him to be the 4th Qtr guy)
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
+10
The kid proved this preseason u give him a chance and he’s a highlight reel waiting to happen.
by hit_hard on Sep 16, 2011 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've been calling for this.
Hopefully ti comes true. He’s too dangerous not to get him 3-4 touches a game.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 16, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Enough
About Rolle. A big reason the Redskins couldn’t run worth a damn was Rolle. One mistake borne out of aggression shouldn’t lead to his crucifixion. I’d like to see others feed off that aggression.
When Eli put himself in the same class as Brady, you’re response was, what else is he supposed to say. When Rolle claims the Redskins aren’t in the same class as the Giants, you flip out. By the way, which really is the more ridiculous statement. Rolle is not our problem !
Completely agree.
Personally, I think the comments made by Rolle should either:
1. Make you mad, and make you play harder b/c he took a shot at our teams sense of urgency.
or
2. Agree with what the reality was and work harder all week to fix what we were lacking on the field.
To me it was evident that the Skins played with more gusto in EVERY facet of that game. Its like the Giants were sleepwalkind, going through the motions. Im sure this Monday we will see a very different attitude from our Giants.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Its not a big deal, really
but there is a pretty big difference between being asked to compare yourself directly to another player and answering confidently, and talking trash about a team that just beat you days earlier.
At the end of the day what he said doesn’t matter (at least he’s not talking about Coughlin again). But talking about a team that just beat you up as if they suck is one of the more embarassing ways that a player can react to a loss.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Sep 16, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
When did Rolle talk trash?
He never said the Skins suck, he said he thinks the Giants should be able to beat them.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
A little more then that
If he said the Giants be able to beat them that is not trash talk.
Saying if we played 100 times and they would only win 5 of those times, is something else.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 16, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Call it what you want, I guess
Losing to a team and then saying “we’re a better team than them and we’d beat them 95 times out of 100”, is just an embarassing statement to make. Just like you’d ridicule a Pats fan after the 18-1 season if they said “yeah but the Patriots were the better team”. It doesn’t matter… just let it go.
But like I said… whatever really.
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Sep 16, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
saying “we’re the better team” after the fact is not just embarrassing, it’s conceited. While confidence is great to see, if you don’t back it up on the field it changes from confidence to cockiness and false bravado.
Bottom line: He can say whatever he wants as long as he brings it on game day.
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 16, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
im surprised BBV doesnt have the story about ahmad bradshaw
saying give him and jacobs the damn ball…. basically he called out gilbride
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 16, 2011 8:17 AM EDT reply actions
It's about time.........
Someone spoke out about Gilbride……This guy is the worst! And Coughlin should be wary of his loyalties…..eventually they will be his undoing. Gilbride, Quinn, and the Strength coach should have been re-evaluated and dismissed by now.
TCB
Van Pelt on the tackle....
Wide right forever.....
18 and 1 GIANT lose.......
what's there to discuss about that tho?
who would argue with him? Give these guys the friggin ball.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
KG
We haven’t done a notebook yet today.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 16, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Link
Some people here chastise other fans for thinking they know more than the coaches. I wonder how many will say the same about Bradshaw.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
i didnt realize it was such a local story
i saw on todays paper when i was gettin my coffee and figured thats what i would be aruguing over all day at work on BBV.. lol
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 16, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Antrel said... Ahmad said...
Same thing.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 16, 2011 8:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
but ahmad will get a hoo rah from most guys on here
and rolle gets bashed
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 16, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
Antrel was more of talking crap about the skins when we lost to them. That just makes you look silly.
The calling guys out is something different which a lot of guys here embraced.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 16, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahmad is not for
running his mouth…….all he is saying is FreeBradshaw….whats wrong with that?
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Nothing. I agree with him.
KG does not, though.
We need to get KG into the Hot Tub Time Machine and take him back to 2008. He wasn’t afraid to stick with the running game that year.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
I know this is silly but:
I’m missing Marvin Austin. He looked like a riser in preseason action. Too quick for a man that size, that strong.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
missing him too
but DT is not an issue and I’m sure he’ll bump Rocky or Jimmy next year.
Reminds me of a young Kris Jenkins. Men that big shouldn’t be able to move that fast.
Damn Right! The OL needs to be a lot better, and fast.
To me, the top three problems last week were OL, Special Teams, and Game Planning the Defense around the injuries.
All three can, and expect to get better. The non-turnover related starting field position for the Giants was their own 19 versus the Redskins on their own 31. That’s on special teams, and I think we can fix that somewhat. (I hope.)
The defense will get better when we get the ends back. Adding Tuck and Osi to a DL is going to make a HUGE difference to cover for the injuries to the Corners. (I hope.)
But it is the Offensive Line that needs to just flat out play better that worries me the most.
- The lack of rushing plays, IMO, was directly related to the line play. The failure on the third and fourth and short was directly related to OL play.
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- The interception was directly related to a missed block from the OL. The numerous 3rd and long plays were directly related to the OL play.
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— Eli getting sacked 4 times equals 25% of his ENTIRE SEASON total from last year, and is well more than twice the average of any season prior to that. And this was from the Redskins, for crying out loud, they aren’t even that good.
The strength of this team has to be the line play on both sides of the ball. Period.
Look at the Redskins front seven
It is very good
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
One of my main critiques of JR
what I do fault him for is leaving the cupboard so dry given Beckum’s injury history
And Beckum’s non production. And all the other things he should have anticipated.
Poor job in FA except for Baas and Weatherford.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 16, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, Ed, totally agree
Smith, though, is the one that Reese could have — and probably should have — prevented. Because the Giants didn’t believe Smith would be ready to start the season they played a dangerous game with him, more or less just letting him twist in the wind and wait. They apparently believed that no one else would pursue Smith since he seemed unlikely to be ready.
This was a DUMB move by JR. Once again, being too cute, trying to get something on the cheap. When it works, it looks good. This time it was terrible. Sometimes you get what you pay for and this one is a bad gamble.
None of us know how this will turn out. Maybe JR will be proven right in the end. However at this time, with what we know, I agree with Ed, bad gamble that JR and the Giants lost.
At the same time, I cannot understand how the FormerSS12 went to the Seagulls. The lack of loyalty is stunning. I think it is a response to what he perceived as a lack of loyalty and the part of the Giants.
A mess that should have and could have been avoided.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 16, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
Loyalty?
These players are loyal to their paychecks, period. It’s a business.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 16, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
And players who have had serious injury issues ...
know they have to forget about any “home town discount”.
NFL – Not For Long.
So far SS12 = $2M and 0 production
I’d say JR is getting the last laugh here
Let’s let SS12 catch a ball before we cry a river over his departure
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
1 game in your proclaiming that?
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
NYG 23 STL 14
I know that but
I think SS felt snubbed. Just a feeling. Of course, we all have a price at which we will do anything.
For a price, I might even back Beckum. A high price.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 16, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Show me where the Giants said that Smith wouldn't be ready for the season
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
I was surprised
by who was making the mistakes on the o-line. from what I saw, and I freely admit I could be wrong, it was not our new guys that were messing up, it was diehl and McKenzie.
by wednesdays_spear on Sep 16, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
It was Baas and Diehl
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
mostly
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Baas didn't handle Chris Neild
who got two sacks off him and Diehl.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Come on Ed
No questions about the Stokley pickup?
Between Pat’s timid answers and you not asking about Stokley I’m a little disappointed.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Stokley
You have to realize that Pat and I trade these questions earlier in the week. We don’t do it on Thursday night. The Stokley signing happened after the fact.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 16, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't remember more debate about a draft class than 2009 ...
and the whole “what do we do in the slot” issue goes there right away due to Barden and Beckum.
To me, it’s clear that Nicks was a home run, and Beatty looks like he’s panning out, but when it comes to Sintim, Barden and Beckum the injury issue seems to cloud things a bit.
Beckum – I just have trouble seeing how he winds up being anything but a bust, as he will be big, but too slow or not quick enough to be a slot guy, and too small to be an in-line blocker or get a clean release when lined up as a true TE. And when he has been in there, I can’t recall getting too excited either.
Barden – was supposed to be our new Plaxico, but is almost always injured. I’d reserve judgement until we can actually get him out there enough to see what he’s got. I would note that Plax was not a slot guy, although it seems to me that’s where I’ve seen Barden the most for us.
Sintim – Appeared to have tons of raw talent and physical “beastiness”, but when he was in there, I can’t recall seeing anything I liked when he was on the field. Didn’t seem to have the instincts of a LB. Major injuries likely will take away some of that physicality, too. Oh, and I can’t see him doing anything for us in the slot either …
agreed - Sintim can't play the slot
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Well, I know I'll get some sh*t on the other "potential" guys that seem ...
to have a lot of support on this board, so I had to throw in something non-controversial …
What did you think of Beatty last year
Where you with me and some of the others that were begging for him?
I don’t keep track of who hates who, but I’ve noticed how there is always some young guys that are the “busts de jour”.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Last year the jury was still out on Beatty for me. Can't say I was begging ...
He showed some good things in the playing time he did get, but not overwhelming. It’s early in 2011 but for some reason I am fairly confident he will be O.K. at LT.
I’ll admit I still had hopes on Sintim early on, but he played enough to convince me it’s not just the injuries that were keeping him from developing.
JR said Braden would be a Plaxico type WR
but during the 09 camp… KG had Barden lined up on the other side where Smith started (Split End). Hixon/Nicks were lined up as the “featured receiver” (Flanker)
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 16, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
We are decimated on both sides of the ball..
I plan on wearing a blindfold for the remainder of the season, and just listen to the Giant balloon deflate..As long as I can handle drinking my beer..I’ll be fine..If there ever was a time for Eli to chew his offense out it is now, but we know he won’t..He’ll just continue to look clueless..and the defense?…yikes
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Bring Frank back..or you all can line up and "Kiss my Ass"..This is bullshit..
Nice to see a comment from you...
long time, no hear!
Thanks Cranky...
The way this season is looking…me and my dog will both be out in the yard skimming along the grass to relieve our itchy asses…
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Bring Frank back..or you all can line up and "Kiss my Ass"..This is bullshit..
Well, we lost our winning streak over the Skins...
but it’s just been one game and maybe we can get a new winning streak going against the Eagles this year. If they spend their time reading the papers, they may expect a “W” mailed in to them, and I have a feeling that it ain’t gonna happen.
Yeah..The Beagles won but..
They really didn’t look all that great..Stokley should be a big help…but after they let Smith and Boss loose I started rethinking my opinion on bringing Plax back..He was key to the Jets beating the Cowgirls..along with Romo’s typical implosion..
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Bring Frank back..or you all can line up and "Kiss my Ass"..This is bullshit..
Plax was a wildcard though...
after that long of a layoff, you didn’t know what you’d be getting, either on the field or off of it. I’m not going to beat up the Giants on not bringing him back, and it appears he had no interest in coming back anyways. But with all the changes in the NFL East, it’s good to see one remaining constant – Romo still flames out when the spotlight focus finds him.
I have to agree..your right
"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."
Bring Frank back..or you all can line up and "Kiss my Ass"..This is bullshit..
So is a stopped clock - twice a day!
As for Boss and Smith, I have to agree with Ed’s take on them. All Davis just paid Boss a whole lot more than he was worth, but I think Reese messed up on Smith and should have made sure he stayed in Blue. I think he just thought he was bidding against hmself, so he chose to cheapskate with Smith, and I hope he learned his lesson as coming of injury Thomas and Goss will be in similar situations. In his defense, he did get Kiwi signed in a similar situation. I thought the Giants needed an upgrade at TE even when they had Boss (last season wasn’t very good), and I don’t mind them not paying the kind of money Davis did to keep him. But Smith I think was a tactical blunder, but then so was not pushing TC to dump Quinn in my opinion.
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