Giants Can't Change The Past -- Can They Change The Future?
by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2011 11:03 AM EDT
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PrintThe post-Super Bowl championship pattern for the New York Giants is well established. Tremendous early-season success followed by abysmal late-season failure, leading to seasons that end long before it looks like they should.
- 2008: Giants start 11-1 and look like the best team in football, Plaxico Burress shoots himself in the leg and shoots the Giants' season in the heart. The team finishes 12-4 and is embarrassed by Philadelphia in the first round of the playoffs.
- 2009: A 5-0 start before the Bill Sheridan/C.C. Brown era officially jumps up and strangles the Giants' post-season hopes. A 3-8 finish, 8-8 overall record and no playoffs.
- 2010: A 6-2 start, followed by a 4-4 finish that includes spectacularly awful losses to Philadelphia and Green Bay that killed the Giants' season. A good 10-6 record, but again not good enough. No playoffs for the second straight season.
Is this the year the pattern reverses itself? Maybe.
First, we have to acknowledge that the Giants are not exactly flying out of the starting gate as they have done the first half of each of the past three seasons. They are limping, injury-ravaged to the field each day, then seemingly stumbling around in search of the form that would make them the team they think they should be. They are 0-1 and with Philadelphia looming in Week 3 are staring down the barrel of a potential 0-3 start if they don't get things straightened out enough to defeat the St. Louis Rams this Monday.
The Giants, right now, are not whole. Truthfully, they never will be whole this season with their best corner, Terrell Thomas, and their starting middle linebacker, Jonathan Goff, on injured reserve. They have several other injuries -- Osi Umenyiora, Prince Amukamara, Travis Beckum among them -- and are still striving to effectively replace the two free agents they unexpectedly lost -- tight end Kevin Boss and wide receiver Steve Smith.
Training camp and the preseason were not kind to the Giants. The season opener against the Washington Redskins was a dismal failure. It is easy to see why there is unrest, why some despairing souls think the season is already a lost cause.
Yet, the ragged start and the current shape of the roster have left me wondering ... Could this, finally, be the first time since the 2007 Super Bowl season that the second half of the season is more satisfying than the first half?
Provided that the Giants suffer no more catastrophic injuries to key players, the Giants should get closer and closer to full strength as the weeks go by.
Defensive end Justin Tuck, the captain and best player on that side of the ball, should return Monday against St. Louis. Amukamara, the first-round pick, ran Wednesday for the first time since breaking his foot and appears to be on the road to recovery. By mid-season he should be ready to help a secondary badly in need of reinforcements. Defensive end Osi Umenyiora should be back from preseason knee surgery within the next few weeks and -- if he can focus on playing football -- should provide pass-rushing and play-making help to a defense in desperate need of both.
The offensive line struggled in some situations against the Redskins, but there is talent there. New center David Baas is a good player. Will Beatty looks capable of upgrading the left tackle spot. David Diehl should be fine at guard. Given time to iron out the communication issues that surfaced on Sunday, this line should be a good one.
Ramses Barden should be back by midseason, and if he can finally be the player Jerry Reese envisioned he could help the Giants in two areas where the passing game has struggled -- in the middle of the field and the red zone. If Beckum can ever get healthy he should also help in those areas.
Then there are all those young players -- 11 rookies on the season-opening roster. Middle linebacker Greg Jones has been thrust into the spotlight, and you have to believe he will be a better player at the end of the season than he is now. Same with Jerrel Jernigan, Tyler Sash and Jacquian Williams. You have to think that, as the season progresses, the Giants will find ways to try and capitalize on the speed and big-play ability of Da'Rel Scott. As I mentioned, Amukamara should be contributing within a few weeks.
The schedule over the final nine games is, admittedly, daunting. At New England, at San Francisco, home against the Eagles, at New Orleans, home against Green Bay, at Dallas, home against Washington, at the Jets, home against Dallas. With that brutal stretch of games it is entirely possible that the Giants could be a much-improved football team during the second half of the season from what they are today, and still not wind up with the results on the scoreboard to show it. To make the playoffs the Giants cannot bury themselves during the first seven games of the season.
Still, though, when you look at the situation the possibility is there for the Giants to reverse their recent trend. To make the playoffs, they are probably going to have to.
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Amukamara
I would think he’d be back around week 6 or so
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Sep 15, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Expecting to be....
on the field for the Eagles game. He has a score to settle with McCoy. He’s already making a lot of progress.
TCB
Maybe not.......
it’s a longer history under TC
2004 5-2 start 1-8 finish
2006 6-2 start 2-6 finish
2007 6-2 start 4-4 finish
2008 11-1 start 1-3 finish
2009 5-0 start 3-8 finish
2010 6-2 start 4-4 finish
2005 was the only season under TC we didn’t collapse down the stretch.
Giants are 53-32 the first 12 games under TC. 12-16 the last 4 games. There’s a history of the late season collapses. At what point do we realize it’s not
by GMen56-11 on Sep 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And don't forget to.........
mention all the Hearbreaking loses under TC. It’s been brutal. Playoff game against Panthers in 2005. Last home game against Panthers at the old Giants Stadium in 2009. The Kiwi, Tennesse Titan game……and on and on it goes…….Not even mentioning the Eagles game last year and the Packers game.
TCB
Who cares about the heart breaking losses
He also gave us the best SB win in our history.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
better than norwood missing field goal?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
SB win
is history. How long are we going to live in the past? The last 3 seasons have been painful or ended painfully.
Not trying to Troll
But That Win Against the Pats is Worth it, even if the season wasnt as great as the end result, You guys did what not any other team could do that season.
Athank you.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure everyone gets that all the teams want to win the Superblow every year
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Not good enough man!
Don't you know that if you don't win the Superblow every year you are a LOSER!
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
of course it was worth it
but at what point do we stop saying “yea but he won us a SB?” The benefit of the doubt ends with this season.
NEVER
Dont you get it… You are not going to Win it Every year so until that year comes around then you have to hang your hat on the last time.. Or For Eagles fans Beating the Giants 6 straight, or 1960, or losing to the Pats who later were found out for cheating in their superbowls…
which is the reason the Giants beat them beacuse they couldnt cheat anymore
Why are so many of yall living in the past???
That’s like a Jets fan saying, " At least we got a SB with Joe Naimath…. that will last a lifetime!!!" No the hell it won’t. After a few years later, all it will be is ancient history, just like the Giants’ "07 Super Bowl is slowly becoming
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Sep 16, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of the players from 2007 are still on this team
in the other hand, the Jest from broadway Joe’s era are too old for Suzy Kolber. So er…not even close to the same saying.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
last week is history
as is all the seasons we collapsed. if we’re gonna harp on them, why can’t we harp on something positive as well?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Missing BBVers:
Simms-McConkey
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Blue Gonz
Have you seen them? :(
Not allowed around here
Gloom and doom or you’re a homer.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
if we're homers Blains
are those guys considered awayers?
deep……………..
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Missing BBVers:
Simms-McConkey
Step Up and Make Big Plays
Blue Gonz
Have you seen them? :(
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 15, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If the SB win doesn't mean aything anymore,
then neither do second half performances of past years.
The Giants will probabaly move to LA because they suck so bad
In all honesty
ownership hasn’t, the FO hasn’t and to a certain degree, the old guard around here hasn’t either. So why should BBV’ers be any different, LOL!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Sep 15, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
GMen you are spoiled
I thought it was the Giants Birth right to play for the Super Bowl after 86 & 90, than Parcells Quit and the Giants turned into a joke, it took 10 years for us to get back to the big stage we lost and fell into mediocrity for another 7 years. Cherish the Championship there is no gauruntee you will see another one.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And 2002 playoffs vs SF
And Flipper Anderson game in 88
Oh wait those happened under other coaches, never mind.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
coaches that got fired!
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Parcells got fired after the Flipper Anderson game?
Me thinks not.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Most get fired eventually
I think Parcells actually resigned as HC of the NYG.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
he did
he’s said health issues but there was also disagreement with ownership on him wanting more say in personnel moves
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
would we have won more superbowls if parcells stayed
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 15, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
Ray was a terrible coach that F’up a veteran team. Parcells went on to rebuild 2 teams and got them very close to winning it all
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That right there is why the Giants never seem to...
…follow championship seasons with teams that contend the next few years after. After 86, there was the strike and they had especially horrible replacement players, so when the strike ended they were already done. After Parcells, they chose Handley over Belichick and we all know how that went. The year after 07, they’re going great and Plax shoots himself. Every time, something crazy happens to screw everything up. Especially the Plax situation. They had one of the youngest teams in the league at the time. They definitely had a legit shot to repeat.
all true
Buts lets remember Belichick did not go on to great things right after the Giants. Bad years in Cleveland as HC then went back to being Parcell’s D Coord for a few more years before he “resigned” from the Jets then took the Pat job.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Parcells made an ultimatum and Mara said we wish you well
That was what 2 or 3 years later. And I’d hardly call the Flipper Anderson game a collapse.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I never said it was a collapse
but they were considered the second best team in the NFL that season (behind the 9ers) and played a terrible game against an inferior team.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Rams were not inferior in '89
Rams whooped Giants in regular season 31-10 and had beaten the 14-2 Niners. Giants were at home against them in playoffs but no way you could describe the Rams as inferior — I remember thinking Giants were going to have to play top-notch game to win. Which they almost did, except for a killer INT by Simms that gave Rams a TD right before halftime. Rams were the 2nd best team in football that year.
I was replying to the "Heartbreaking losses under TC" dude
because they've never happened under any other Giants coach
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Yes, lets not mention those...
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Sep 15, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Even with the Jags
he’s had a history of late season losses.
2002 6-10 record finished 1-5
2001 6-10 finished 0-2
2000 7-9 finished 0-2
1998 11-5 finished 3-3
1997 11-5 finished 3-2
wow I have to rec this post
that’s pretty damning evidence.
Tom, it’s been a pleasure….
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
so is it better to lose early, so we finish strong late?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Late is when teams
want to begin to peak. We peak early then fade.
Maybe....
The SB year we started out 0-2…IMO opinion Eli will have to carry a bulk of the load for this team. He will have to pick up his play tremendously…QB driven league!!! Another thing that will be watched closely is the play calling from the sidelines…CAN’T be predictable…have to really mix it up with some different things this year…stuff that Giants are not used to! I think we have enough on Defense to be OK, not dominant, but enough to be competitive… once Tuck, Osi & Prince come back into the fold.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 15, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
I think most of what you have an issue with
falls on KG shoulders…
He is a good to great coordinator… This year we kind of have to start over, (with the losses and injuries) and he seems to be too lazy to want too…
There will be a point where KG is going to look at the mess the offense is in. and finally take ownership instead of pointing fingers.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
If Eli is going to......
carry the team than he should be given more freedom to call plays. Can’t help but think that a lot of the confusion that goes on out there before the ball is snapped is because Eli doesn’t like the play call to begin with……and can you blame him when your OC is Kevin KillDrive???
TCB
we don't want eli carrying the team
he didn’t have to carry the team when we won the superbowl. We have enough talent around to carry him. If anything, we should cut down his responsiblity a la Mark Sanchez (another oveerrated qb)
Sanchez is no where near Eli.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he has been better than eli the last two years though
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
At what?
His team getting him to the Conference championship game? Yes, Sanchez’s TEAM has been better than Eli’s.
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Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh
Frickin’ Sanchez. Man the press goes crazy for him. Too bad he’s just not that good.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I've said this a million times
kind of hard for Eli to be overrated when according to other players/coaches/fans/studio experts across the NFL… he’s not rated at all.
Overrated by fans… yes but that’s about it.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well that's what I meant
And maybe with good reason—i mean he won a superbowl..i’m forever thankful for the joy that brought me and watching him scream while goofily holding up the trophy was one of the most triumphant moments of my life—I had so much hope for him, but he just hasn’t gotten the job done since.
The Giants have not gotton the job done since
In 09, Eli bailed out the defense more then a few times and then they would give it right back anyway. But it the end its a team game, the blame goes to everyone.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean i'm alwasy bashing Eli on here
and you may be right; maybe if the defense played better in ’09 Eli would have two rings to shine in my face, but the fact of the matter is, I personally do not feel confident the Giants can win another superbowl with Eli at qb
Easy for me to say, though; Doesn’t happen, I’m right, if it does. well; I’ll be more than happy to eat my words!
fair enough
if thats the way you feel, it will be a hard to convince you otherwise. I just feel there’s at least 10 other things on the list higher then Eli on why they can’t win another ring.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I'm more confident in Eli this year than I was in 2007...definitely
last year, due to horrible decision making and “trying to do it all”, not so much…
I’m an Eli fan…BUT Eli isn’t going to put this team on his back and carry them to the Super Bowl. He shouldn’t need to…Peyton does that…Brady does that…Rodgers did that…we need this team to be consistent. This team needs to get on the same page and execute instead of shooting themselves in the foot. This team needs to play the game as a team because that’s the only way they will last.
Pathetic
agreed
its the team in general, not just one guys fault.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez doesn't lead them, he guides them
which is what Eli did in 2007—both teams have enough talent around them to win with a qb managing the offense instead of driving it. Sure, both guys make great plays now and then (Eli’s escape and toss to Tyree and the miracle catch), but neither have the ability to win anything on their own like Peyton, Brees, Rogers, Etc.
As soon as Eli as given more responsibility, the offense played as well as Eli did (for the most part) which doesn’t bode well for our GMen—We arleady paid the man, so lets go back to letting him guide the offense—we have enough talent around him to win.
not ripping on Peyton, He's one of the greatest QBs I've ever seen play
but the year the Colts finally won it all, that was when their defense started playing great behind a healthy Bob Sanders and a run game that showed up during the postseason.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
right: NO man is an island
basically every team needs a good defense to win a superbowl—I was referring to the offensive side of the ball—look how poor the Colts are doign without Peyton this year. Not saying they would have been a superbowl team this year, but certainly competitive.
With Peyton, they are always in the group of contenders
offense wise, Eli has done it (not like those other QBs but to a different degree) Eli was the reason why they won the Falcon and two Cowboy games in 2009. Also a big reason why Smith was a pro bowler too.
The problem is Eli needs almost perfect conditions for his offense (ie. WRs he trusts and a stable OLine) to work to its strengths. Brady, Brees, Rodgers so great because they do it with whoever and wherever they want, no matter whose around them.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Those guys are three of the greatest QBs in the world for a reason.
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by Frank Campagnola on Sep 16, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
umm no he hasn't
Mark’s TEAM is better, he’s has not been a better player
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with that
is that this isn’t really a QB driven team. It could be a holdover from the days when we had a veteran team (Tiki, Shockey, Toomer, Plax) and a young/inexperienced QB, but the way the offense is set up, its ‘Reads by Committee’.
Rather than Eli making the reads and directing the offense, All the players have to make reads and chose the option that fits what they’re seeing best. If they all see the same thing, it works fine. However, when they don’t… you get things like ‘Rio running a quick slant when Eli’s expecting a go route.
As we’ve seen in the 2:00 offense, Eli is perfectly capable of calling plays as well as reading and manipulating defenses all by his lonesome. In fact, he thrives in those situations when he doesn’t have plodding playcalling and ponderous reads to contend with.
Let this be the year
we start 3-3 and go to the playoffs!!!
I am with you Ed, I have had enough of the 6-2 starts…
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Not in 2011 but....
all of the young talent, especially at LBer are a nice set up for the Cowher regime.
oh stop with the cowher talk
he is a TC clone, and it took him longer to achieve what TC did.
TC >= Cowher.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
and dont bring Chucky
into this conversation, or I will disown you from the family… lol
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
dude knows how to
destroy a team… and I can tell you 5 games into the season with him as our offensive coordinator, you will be wishing we still had KG
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Far from a TC clone...
players play alot harder for him. This team only played hard when Strahan and Pierce were the leaders. They played for them not Coughlin.
They are basically the same coach
VERY similar coaching styles, similar team concepts, very similar career stats (which actually hints at TC being better, because he had to build an expansion team, not take over for a dynasty).
The only difference in them is that TC’s DC’s run a 43 as opposed to the 34. Which by the by, would neuter this defense for AT LEAST a year.
34
You do not know that it would neuter the D for a season. We have a slew of young LBers and Canty has played Nose before. Osi (if he plays well this seaosn upon return) is trade bait next off season to land a 34 end.
It would take 3-4
of the best players off the field. (ie: Tuck, Osi, JPP, and maybe Kiwi. He’s a liability in pass coverage. If you’re JUST going to use him as a rushing SAM, he might as well play DE, because defenses are just going to locate him and say "that’s where the rush is coming from)
This defense is predicated on a 4 man pass rush from the defensive line. you don’t trade in 2 all pro players off the field for rookies, nomatter HOW impressive they are.
Does ANYONE really think that
Kiwi—Jone—-Herz—Paysinger
Canty—Joseph—Bernard
is better than
Kiwi Jones Boley
Osi/JPP-Canty-Joseph-Tuck
good points
It would not be an easy transition but with the young Lb core it can be done.
Osi and Tuck have high trade values right now (If healthy rest of the year)
JPP- could be a great 3-4 Lber I think.
Nah,
JPP is still learning how to play defensive end. It would set him back in his development to ask him to learn how to cover and play standing up.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
why
would we have to switch to a 34. BC is a head coach. He can hire a DC that coaches a 43. Coughlin’s DC at Jax was Dom Capers. Jags played a 43. Dom Capers is now at GB coaching a 34. TC tried hiring Capers.
This whole 34 or 43 for coaching is nonsense.
by GMen56-11 on Sep 15, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same coach
One is 62 games over 500 while the other 27 games over 500. One coach won 62% of his game while the other is at 55%
Cowher installs a mental....
toughness way beyond anything Coughlin has ever installed. TC’s guys tune him out a some point. Your not tuning out ‘The Chin’ even if you wanted to. And Cowher should have 2 SB’s had it not been for 1 Neil O’Donnell.
TCB
You have no freaking clue if that is true or not
You’re just making stuff up now.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
TC >= Cowher.??????????????
One coach, Coughlin is 137-110 (27 games over 500 including playoffs.
The other coach, Cowher is 161-99 including playoffs.
I’m at a loss how anyone can say TC is a better or equal coach as BC. They each won a SB in 15 seasons of coaching. In Weeks 14 or later BC is 39-23. In Weeks 1 through 4 he’s 27-25.
it took him longer to achieve what TC did.
what a ridiculous statement. OK it took BC 15 season. It took TC 12. Does that make TC a better coach?
with different teams. With the Giants, with a completely different scheme and personnel, it took him 4 years
Team Greg Jones
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
How is that ridiculous?
Cowher with the Giants would NEVER have won a SB because you all would have lynched him after 4 years of not winning. So there is no way he lasts 14 years in NY to win his SB. No way he even lasts 10.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
The only way to change......
the pattern is to finally get rid of Tom Coughlin and his coaching staff. Canty eluded to it…nobody is listening….It’s time for a new voice. This team is not mentally tough enough and clearly not physically tough enough as well. You have to hold Reese to some of the blame as well as he did a horrible job this off-season in being prepared and not signing his own guys. So I say it’s time for change. 3 years of no Post Season is UNACCEPTABLE around here. Changes need to be made.
TCB
I know the Giants didnt
want to bring in a new HC the same year as the lockout. I think if this turns out to be a losing season some serious consideration to coaching changes are needed. Im looking right at you gilbride…
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
I am right there with you
If he doesnt start helping this offense out… I will found the Fire K. Gilbride Club…
Just like I founded the Fire Tim Lewis and his “prevent, up by , with 2 min left to go defense.”
That should get K. Gilbride off his fat arse… cause that is a threat I am willing to follow through with.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
exactly
the folks that defend Coughin and his group of inept coordinators need to realize that this old dinosaur’s time has come and GONE.
This team collapsing in the last two years is not a coincidence.
If we lose on monday, which I believe we will since we can’t stop a goddamn skins offense led by REX GROSSMAN, this will get ugly fast.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow you think your team is going to lose. Nice display of Fandom. Not. Pathetic.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry man
he may be a huge pessimist, but he is allowed to think his team will lose and still be a fan.
Whatever,
I don’t think the Giants will ever lose a game. It’s pointless. Why be a fan if you think your team is just going to lose. Defies logic. I may go into a game thinking, this is going to be a really tough game to win, but I never think they are going to flat out lose before the game is even played. Let’s just give up on the season then. Makes no sense.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That's just me though. Call it crazy.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
you so crazy
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Missing BBVers:
Simms-McConkey
Step Up and Make Big Plays
Blue Gonz
Have you seen them? :(
that's because you're a frickin homer
and yet, i respect you as a fellow fan of this team.
You see the glass half full, I see it empty.
But I love the Giants just as much as you do. If I didn’t, do you think I’d be here spreading negativity and despair??? lol
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
it depends
on what that glass is filled with my friend
if it’s something on the rocks….it will be empty before too long :-D
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I concur. It just blows my mind how a fan of a team can go into a game thinking his/her team will lose.
That’s just how I am. I am not a homer. Do I think we are the best team in the league? No. I am realistic with this team, but it is the NFL. Any team can win any game, it happens all the time. Never count a team out, no matter who they are playing. Gotta believe they have a chance to win every game, otherwise, what’s the point?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
the fact how we are 0-1 and we need to make huge changes like a new coaching staff.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That's your opinion. It is in no way, shape or form proven correct. Remember that.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was refering
To MR DollarBills
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not
on that bandwagon. I like Coughlin.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
a new coaching staff
well, some may say that the Giants have needed one for awhile, not just after an abysmal display against the Redskins.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you are a homer
I’m not saying that they don’t have a chance, but I would not be surprised if we lose. We are banged up, the O-Line is not in sync, the playcalling is atrocious, we have no TE or Slot receiver, and Eli is not earning that contract.
There’s reason to be skeptical about this team. I’m not sticking my head in the sand just because you say so dude.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying you have to do anything.
I just prefer to maintain hope and enthusiasm for the season.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If they execute
play with some fire, some aggression, I will show some more hope and enthusiasm.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
That’s on the player though. Only they can make themselves play hard. Having Tuck back will go a long way towards that, I believe.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't we all homers?
Isn’t that the point of this blog? Do I not understand what being a fan is? I’m so confused.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
It's ok, you'll understand one day.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess unless I "tell it like it is"
and say everyone sucks and has to be fired I’m not a real fan, right?
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Now you're getting it
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, my friend you have problems
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 15, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I always hope for a win and believe and know they can win, week to week
and at the same time, I temper my expectations for a whole 16 game season, which helps a lot once the game is over.
If we win, I take it as a win, enjoy it, but don’t get all crazy like a Jest fan thinking we just got a ring.
If we lose, it hurts, it bugs me, but I can move on because I know it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and I also have a life that I like and can enjoy other things, while keeping my overall expectation and hopes realistic. It also keeps me from getting all crazy suicidal like some commenters after a loss.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I hate when we lose
but being snide about it is my coping mechanism.
It’s better than putting my face into a bag of white powder after a game, or drowning my sorrows with Bacardi Oakheart Smooth Spice Rum™.
Drink responsibly.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Zyra
is better… Tastes just like the Bicardi Especial Reserve that you can only get if you go to Puerto Rico and take the tour of the distillery.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Exactly,
I looked at the schedule, preseason, I said to myself, this team should go 10-6. Does that mean I assume they are going to lose those 6 games. No I just think they were tough games that could go either way.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I said recently they won’t make the playoffs, and my fandom was questioned, gimme a break puhleeze!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Sep 15, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's my crazy theory
but I believe the Giants have been quiet in the offseason is that they do not want to pay for any big names in FA until Coughlin is gone.
Yes, they extended his contract a year but I think that Tom might be gone after this year and it will be mutual.
So why get any big names if it might not fit the next HC style.
I know I’ll get the hatchet from most people on this one but I think too many circumstances out of Tom’s control is happening this year. He is and will be considered one of the great coaches of the Giants in my eyes, no matter how this season ends up. This guy took us out of the basement and won a SB in 3 years.
I just see these articles on how we restructure Snee’s contract…..Why? Are we going to spend it on anyone? Or does Reese have his eye on someone next off season?
I do believe the only way we can save the season is to get someone opposite of Nicks. I would like to see us try to get B. Marshall from the Fish for the cheap. I think the Dolphins want him gone and with him and Nicks – the running game opens up and we have someone with the height that Eli needs. Just imagine, Nicks one-on-one on every play. Jacobs and AB with 6 men in the box at certain downs.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
There has been some....
rumblings to what you are saying about no FA’s for TC. But I don’t think the Giants operate that way. They want to win and they are not looking to set anyone up for failure. Not the Giants way and not a winning franchise’s way.
TCB
I don't think they set him up for failure
but the circumstances for this year are out of his control and I think mgmt isn’t sure if they want to keep Tom after this year.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
I think its........
Playoffs and win some games there or buy buy TC……they have given him a lot of opportunites and seeing how they only gave him a 1 year extension tells you all you need to know. If they gave him more than 1 then the plan would be to keep him no matter what. Not the case based on the 1 year extension.
TCB
The one year contract extension is all that needs to be said
TC has to win now or he is gone. However the Giants not spending has more to do with our Cap situation than not helping Tom win. Everybody wants Tom to suceed because if he does the Giants will suceed, I doubt they would not sign guys to end his coaching tenure.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
dolphins want him gonE? u would have to give up alot
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
after all the stuff he’s gone through – I think he’d go for 3rd round pick and maybe a 4. …and the way JR has been picking that late then I’d gladly do it.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Brandon Marshall has personality disorder
Not sure bringing him to NY is going to help him or the Giants, I hope we stay far away from him, don’t need anymore Plax situations happening.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We have someone opposite of Nicks.
Manningham. 900 yards 9 TDs isn’t good enough for you from a #2 WR?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does Manningham....
consistently dominate his opponent and get open?
Can he beat people 1 on 1 and out jump people in the end zone?
garner double teams?
I remember when we won the SB we had two good WR’s on the edge. The Giants need to put up some points.
Don’t get me wrong – I like Manningham – but we all need to understand he isn’t SS12 or on the same level of Marshall’s talent.
Why is the editor of this blog such a homer for JR?
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
What are you talking about?
Amani Toomer wasn’t dominating anyone in 2007. He wasn’t garnering any double teams. Brandon Marshall isn’t a #2 WR. He’s a #1 and we already have that.
SS12 isn’t on Manningham’s level as far as talent goes. Smith is more reliable but he’s not faster or more elusive than Manningham.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Well
we don’t have the same OL, defense that we did in ’07 much less the same talent at Def Coord.
We also know that Eli struggles to find open WR’s against top tier defenses since Plaxico left. I agree that NOT bringing Plaxico back was the right choice – but that doesn’t remove the hold of needed a taller, dominate WR that helps to open up the running attack.
Forget talent – SS12 was and is better than Manningham and I agree that Manningham is getting there but why not go after someone to help us win this year?
Also, speed is helpful but route running is the key to getting open and that is what Marshall does well – and SS12 did before his knee issue.
I agree you have to build in the draft but MAN up and realize your holes and fill them.
You want to run the ball? – get the 8th man out of the box. Not even a great OL can defeat that on a consistent basis. The Skins crowded the line to start the 2nd half and challenged our WR’s and they shut us down. Just like the Eagles do every game.
Remember when teams put 8 men in the box with Plax? That’s right – they were burned deep and didn’t do it again.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
They never put 8 in the box against Plax
They always gave safety help.
Manningham had 4 catches for 49 yards. That’s not bad when your QB completed only 56% of his passes. It’s also not bad when your O-line can’t block, which means your WRs can’t get deep. Maclin had 1 catch against the Rams. Nobody is saying that he’s no good. They’re saying that the coaches need to do more to get him the ball.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Except when we won the superbowl.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Not accurate
That was a zero blitz / cover zero. The Pats gambled and lost on the winning TD to Plax.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
they left plax 1 on 1 and they didn't blitz?
you’re flat out high.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7163359736280137619
Go to 3:47. Four men down – four men blitzed – 1 on 1 coverage.
JR homer
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
You're either incapable of reading comprehension
or this attitude is apart of your internet gangsta.
I clearly state that the coverage on the winning TD was a zero bliz / cover zero look. It wasn’t 8 in the box. It was an all out blitz. The Pats gambled and they lost.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
If you don't know
zero blitz / cover zero means that the CBs have inside leverage and there is no safety help. In other words, there are zero people left in the secondary because they’re all going to blitz.
Plax faked inside and Hobbs fell for it. Why? It’s because in a cover zero look, the CBs have inside leverage. It’s their job to protect the middle of the field.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
So you're good with our current roster on offense?
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
No
I wanted a TE.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
yes please
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
of course they put 8 in the box
check Plax’s winning TD catch in the SB.
All I’m saying is, Eli needs some target and high end WR’s. He’s not Peyton and we lost too much with SS12 and Boss. We need an upgrade on the WR’s.
Look at the defense they ran when Kerrigan intercepted the ball and how many people they had in the box. Do you think they are doing that with Marshall and Nicks on each side? Not a chance.
Sorry – I’ll defend JR but I do realize when our team is not equipped with the talent to go out and win. That doesn’t mean we beat up the GM – but lets understand our team will have to play perfect to overcome the talent deficiencies.
We think that the Skins put pressure on us – wait until Rob Ryan comes to town or the Iggles with Babin, Jenkins and Cole. The best way to keep the pressure off Eli is to scare them off the line, run the ball and PA them to death. That is Giant football. I pick Marshall since he’s the only guy I can think of that might be on the market for trade.
Look at NE – they drafted two TE’s that are TALL and can win those 1 on 1 matches against their division opponents that are tough (Jets).
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
how many catches did Plax have in the SB?
Not many…
2 catches for 27 yards…1TD (obviously) and 14yrds was his longest reception.
That doesn’t happen without double teaming him.
Pathetic
exactly - it opened up the field for everyone else.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
I do recall a certain pass
That Plax was wide open on and Eli threw it over his head….Would have been TD #2
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Sep 15, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's better than most teams #2 WRs.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Friggn Marshall? Cheap?
what’s next, you want to trade a 7th rounder for Calvin Johnson?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Sep 15, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
conditional 7th rounder....lol
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 16, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Good write up Ed. It's nice to see a lil optimism around here.
A couple things…
Corey Webster is their best CB. Losing TT hurts no doubt, but IMO Corey is the better of the two.
As dismal as their 2nd half schedule looks, they effectively have 6 home games in their final 8. The Jets game is in Giants Stadium and Eli has made Jerry’s World look like the Meadowlands South.
If they are able to weather the first half after all their early injuries, then they should be set up nicely with the youngin’s gaining experience, injured guys getting back, and OL gellin together.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
yeah eveywhere i see something written about the giants injuries
every writer, including guys who follow the giants, say Terrell Thomas was our best corner. Since when? the guy got beat in coverage often. Sure he can tackle and sure he made more interceptions, but that is because people dont throw it to Corey. Corey Webster is our best cornerback.
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 15, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
that got ate alive last sunday
I like Corey though
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Blame the Zone
PF… is trying to protect his Defense… He needs to stop.. CW and Ross werent even drafted to be that kind of corner.
Go after the QB and press on the outsides… with Safety help.
We do that CW and Ross will both be all pro’s.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
great post
I was ready to break something watching that garbage
We need to get to the QB. Simple and plain. Giants football.
Run the ball. Kill the QB. Play action pass.
I don’t know what’s so hard about this, these guys are pros lol
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I am right there with you
Offense needs to start attacking zones.. Running the ball, and play action off of it…
Defense needs to allow time for the young promising LB’s a chance to even be competitive.. by blitzing and going after the QB every single play. That means not giving a 5-10 yard cushion on every WR, on blitzing… Force opposing QBs to take that extra second in the pocket… If we do that last game.. that is an easy 5 more sacks.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
and Rex
probably isnt finishing the game.
Trust your personel PF.. .
KG – Help your team, instead of pointing the finger.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Fewell
I had some confidence in the guy last year, this year? Not so much. I want to see an aggressive defense, we can’t just keep giving up big passing plays it’s killing us
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see on Monday.
Coughlin said they are goign to play more man press coverage, at least, that’s what he wants. So we’ll see if Fewell does it. If not, I agree, Fewell is too stubborn with sticking to his defensive scheme rather than playing a defense better suited for the players he has.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradford is down two major players in his offensive unit
Go in for the kill and man up.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea,
I have no fear of the Rams offense. #1 WR gone, all pro RB gone, rookie TE was supposed to be amazing, can’t catch a cold in a snow storm, and their o-line is not very good. Bradford is going to have a hell of a time completing passes, regardless of who he’s playing.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
well, you have to fear every team
Every week. I mean, this past week should be a reminder of that, if nothing else.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
You don't ahve to fear a team,
You have to respect them. Can they beat us? Absolutely. Should our defense be able to stop their patch work offense? Of course.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we get our agressiveness back
all of a sudden we will have our fire..
Prevent def. prevents you from winning, prevents you from attacking, prevents “fire”, prevents attitude, prevents drive, prevents you from just about anything…
Taking these guys away from what they are best, doesnt instill confidence, causes second guesses… and that is how we end up right where we are..
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
idk about all pro
but they both have first round pick talent…. so u are right
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Fewell
Go after the QB and press on the outsides… with Safety help.
Maybe he’s trying to protect his Safetys.
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Sure is
He only trusts Antrel Deep but Antrel is needed close to the LOS, Our safeties are not as good as we think, especially KP or should i say “SuperMan”, im getting ready to change his name to Clark Kent here in a second but i got love for KP so i still have faith.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
KP had the best game out of anyone in the secondary
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Is that saying much?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Considering that the the secondary was playing zone
and giving receivers a free release at the line to roam around, it’s saying that KP was a bright spot.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Thomas vs. Webster
I know people take sides on this one, and I go with Thomas. Two things. First, I think Webster is a guy who had one tremendous year (2008) and has been extraordinarily average the rest of his career. Second, when the defensive captain (Tuck) says Thomas is/was their best corner I have to go along with that.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Webster is not bad, but not great.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not forget, Webster played out of his mind in the playoffs during the super bowl run.
Agreed though, I love Web, but I think Thomas is a more talented corner.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
that was 4 years ago
we need to move on from that superbowl win. The Giants are playing in 2011.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Just giving the guy respect where respect is due.
I said I think Thomas is the more talented player.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it really 2011? I had no idea.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
time FLIES bro
It felt like yesterday(2007)
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I know,
It saddens me, I’m getting older.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and I really have no problem with Webster
he’s a serviceable player but we need to actually pressure the QB for him to be most effective
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
the second half of ’07, ’08, ’10 were REALLY GOOD Years for Cweb.
in fact, I thought he was largely under appreicate last year….
TT wasn’t getting targetted THAT much by accident.
TeamJPP
in comparison
I thought TT out played him by a hair in ’09
but last year….wasn’t even close IMO. Cweb > TT
TeamJPP
kinda funny
how nobody was saying anything about him until he got hurt. then it’s like “OMG! he was our BEST CB, this was his pro bowl season!”
pretty much the same story with Goff.
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of people were talking about Thomas all camp
Saying how good he looked.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
maybe I exaggerated a little
I was definitely feeling good about TT (I still am, hope he comes back healthy and Reese doesn’t lowball him outta town). He’s a good versatile player, but Webster is a better cover guy and there does seem to be a huge tendency to overreact to injures. (not just on BBV but everywhere.)
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrell Thomas is not our BEST CB, but he is our most IMPORTANT CB
Because he does so mush more than cornerbacking, but Webby is a better CB, no doubt about it, i would normally take Tucks word over anything but QB’s stay away from Webby so thats all i need to witness and Webby played very well last year as well Ed.
I think Tuck is looking at it from an importance perspective like i am but TT isnt the best CB IMO, just the most valuable.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
What else did Thomas do?
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Lets see here
He plays the run like a linebacker, he is a helluva blitzer, he sticks his nose in on every tackle, he seems to energize the secondary, he was capable of making the calls, he was the only CB that has an extended role in our defense and he seemingly was becoming the leader of that secondary.
The intangible things is what i really mean but he does more than any corner we have, but is he the best against the deep ball? no way but the way that kid works he probably would have improved 10 fold on that aspect of his game this year and every year forward.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
SMH
Plays the run like a LB? Energizes the secondary? Capable of making the calls? Where are you getting this stuff?
He doesn’t play the run like LB. Back in 2009 Thomas had a lot of problems with poor tackling. He’d whiff on many of them.
I don’t know how to quantify energizing the secondary.
Thoma has never made the calls. KP makes the calls for the secondary.
What extended role did Thomas have? Thomas got picked on last year. He gave up more TDs and yards than Webster because QBs looked to throw against him. This year he was going to be playing the slot in 3-WR sets but it didn’t happen because of the injury. It’s not as if he did it and excelled there.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
Oh really??
So he didnt lead in tackles for two years?? that wasnt all WR’s, he sticks his nose in there, stop the nonsense, he is not a LB duh, but he approches the LOS like one, he is a sure tackler, he doesnt whiff nearly as much as all the others in the secondary.
Thomas learned all the calls this year, after taking Grants role which is the extended role im talking about so lets see, he was a base corner, slot in the nickle and a situational safety, who else besides Antrel has more than one thing on his plate in our secondary??
Yes he got picked on thats why i said “but is he the best against the deep ball? no way but the way that kid works he probably would have improved 10 fold on that aspect of his game this year and every year forward.”
As for energizing the secondary, cmon are you serious?? did you see the dismay on his teammates faces when he went down you would have thought someone died!!!…. that doenst happen unless you bring energy talent and alot more than what u want to admit.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
This is all nonsense
Approaches the LOS like a LB? Took Grant’s role? Played in the slot?
There isn’t a single thing that you said that is a fact. Nary one.
The team was devastated about the injury because as Grant, they know how hard Thomas had worked. What does that have to do with “energizing the secondary?”
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
*Grant said
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
he led the team in tackles last year, didn't he?
Of course, its because he had to…he plays on Osi’s half of the field. I could have led the team in tackles playing behind Osi.
Pathetic
lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That made absolutely no sense
but ok.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Nope all fact
and did they know how hard Goff, Osi a few years back, Ross every year, SS when he went down worked?
Not the same look at all, not saying they didnt feel for them but clearly the kid as a person had an effect on them, and yes he brought energy and energized our secondary, duh, he’s a playmaker every playmaker energizes the guys around him, cmon be serious.
and he doesnt approach the LOS like a LB, he just is not LB size, so your saying he approaches it like the average DB lol that’s a joke, and yes sir, the intent was for him to do alot of the things Grant did for us, you know like play LB in the nickle at times, but i guess you didnt know that either.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Intent means nothing to me
He hadn’t show that he could actually do it yet so you can’t mark it down as if it’s something that he had been doing for years. That’s like saying that Hixon was playing in the slot in the preseason so we should just assume that he was going to do it well in the regular season.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
I wouldn't say he plays the run like a linebacker
he amasses those tackles b/c his Reciever is usually catching anywhere from 8-12 passes a game
that’s where his tackles are coming from.
and in terms of “energizing the secondary”….well that’s just hard to quantify.
TeamJPP
ok sir.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
what worries me
is that in an interview on WFAN this summer John Mara said that they’re not looking at getting rid of TC at all. they said they’re welcoming TC to coach as long as he wants. i’m not sure if that’s just protecting TC for now and then he’ll decide for real later or if if he’s completely set on keeping Coughlin. if the Giants have another sub par season this year I can’t see any fans wanting to keep this coaching staff around. if the Giants decide to keep these coaches and they continue to underachieve, the fans are going to start getting really annoyed. they might then lash out against the team
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Sep 15, 2011 11:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
one thing you can count on with billionaires
is that they lie, change their minds, and go back on things they say.
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 15, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
thank god
because I question the sanity of anyone who would want to keep TC beyond this season.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course John Mara is going to publically back his coach on WFAN
I’m 100% Mr. Mara wants Tom to turn things around here so no way is he going to even hint Tom’s job is in jeapordy. However the 1 year contract extension speaks volumes.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that
it is unprofessional to hang Tom publicly. As much as I think that we need to go in another direction, he’s worked hard for this franchise.
Privately is a different story.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
not saying hes anywhere near the best in the league or even conference, but on this team hes the best
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 15, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a negative fan
but there are a lot of “if only’s” in this scenario.
Is it possible the team will gel, get stronger and go on a tear? Of course!
Is it the most likely scenario?
I doubt it.
This still feels like a team in transition to me, with a number of issues, and the injuries are a problem for the team hitting its stride. The offensive and defensive schemes require a lot of read and react on the fly and that’s hard for younger players to do, and key players on this team are young or new to the systems.
If not for the injuries so far, it felt like another 10+ win year to me with a likely playoff berth. Now it feels more like 8-9 wins, no playoffs, and lots of negative press and pressure on Eli, the team and coaches as the season draws to a close. I don’t know if that will be fair given the season’s start without a fully loaded gun, but these things aren’t generally fair, especially in NY.
I will be more than happy to be wrong!
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
adding, re: the offseason. . .
I think the team made the right choices about the free agency, and is doing the right things to built a sustainably competitive team for the long haul. And I’m not saying they’re not trying to win this year. But it’s hard as hell to win da Superblow, and most years, it’s not gonna happen.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
+1
Totally agree our expectation for this team two months were based on Having a healthy Tuck and Osi rushing the passer, Goff taking the next step in becoming a solid Mike, TT having a Pro Bowl year and having at least Boss back (we just didn’t know what we would get from SS so I don’t think anyone was counting on him this season) so the Giants could work inside the hash marks in the passing game. Now those are all question marks and guys have to step up so team in transition like it or not is totally what we are now. Since the schedule only get’s worse in the second half and it looks like we are going to struggle to be 4-4 in the first 8, a second half collapse is not quite as foriegn sounding as it was even a month ago for me.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
the injuries are not just about star names
but about loss of depth and loss of experience to be able to play within the systems. With 11 guys on the field and so much happening fast, 11 good players making the right decisions with the right practice and training are better than a collection of decent players with a few stars playing in an uncoordinated fashion. You can say it’s all on the coaches but the coaches need time to coach new people.
If the schemes on offense and defense are complex, well, that’s their weakness and their strength. Every team has those. The Colts’ strength was Peyton making line calls and audibles like an coach and executing like a demi-god. When he’s out, that same dependency on him as a star is now a weakness.
And yes, the downside risk of a late season crash after a below expectations start are there too, just as the high upside is also possible, if not probable, in my view. I think the players and the coaches will withstand a total el foldo, in spite of negativity and media hate, but the risk is there – just as it is every season.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Certainly there are 'if's'
I was just laying out a scenario, not predicting or guaranteeing anything. This season has a different feel to it than any in recent memory.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. I don't actually think we're disagreeing at all.
As I read it, you are laying out how things could get better. And I agree completely. It’s certainly possible, and I give it maybe a 35% chance, off the top of my head.
Then I give the middle scenario another 45%, and the really negative scenario a 20% chance.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
+1 on that Ed.
I don’t know what it is, but it feels like no one is expecting this team to do much of anything. I like that.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is who do you expect to replace TC that’s as good or better ?
by TheBXRepresenta on Sep 15, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cowher is my.....
1st choice. After him I’d go with a young DC or OC that has a lot of potential. Cowher is the only veteran coach I would want. As for the young OC or DC it’’s up to the Giants front office to do their homework and bring us the next Mike McArthy or dare I say it……..Spagnuolo…..we had him here didn’t we? lol…
TCB
In two seasons the Rams went from a one win team to a 7 win team.
Of course, Bradford helped that a lot. But there’s no denying, Spags has improved that team greatly.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, he's done a good job
but you could also argue that in the NFC west and with the draft picks they’ve had, there should have been a more marked improvement. (this is for the sake of argument here)
there are too many variables involved in running an NFL organization to realistically predict how one group of coaches would do versus another. that’s why i’m so staunchly behind coughlin, because the NFL landscape is littered with the fired corpses of “coveted OCs” and re-treads.
when an NFL head coach wins consistently, you keep him….end of story.
I don't think the Rams have drafted all that well. Besides Bradford,
But I blind Leper could have made that pick and looked good.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
a*
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
change in voice
sometimes a change in voice with someone definitely as good- Cowher- is appropriate.
Cowher is younger and has a comparable if not better coaching resume then Coughlin.
And I never heard about any players (FAs) claiming they would not play for Cowher.
the argument
is that no one is listening to TC anymore. TC has been a good coach, but he hasn’t been getting the team to listen. it is on the verge of simply needing a new face around
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Sep 15, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We need new blood
a fresh voice.
Any young coaches out there?
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Coughlin is a good coach. Any change will bring about more transitioning. Fewer results.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I hate this Cowher talk. Besides no one touches Coughlin in winning challenges!
In all seriousness, its almost like because the team makes mistakes and play in probably the toughest division in football for the past decade certain fans want to get rid of our coach.
If thats the case we will never win another superbowl.
All teams have meltdowns. All teams make mistakes. We are fine.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
All teams
don’t have a QB on the level of Tom Brady.
We do. I sleep soundly at night knowing this.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Your hate
for the sake of hating is noted. Go cheer for another team if you have problems with our coach and QB.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
why
I root for the Giants.
That doesn’t mean that I can’t say something smells when someone takes a shit on the floor. Get over yourself if you can’t handle what I have to say
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
show me one comment here where you are rooting for them?
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You think that I want the Giants to lose?
are you delusional?
why would I sit here, complain about some of the crap I’m seeing, only because I want them to lose?
Get better.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Still
did not answer my question. Nice dodge.
Again keep hating for the sake of it.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not hating.
Clearly he’s a Giants fan, he’s just overly pessimistic, and of the mentality that anything that can go wrong, will. Do I agree with his continual negativity towards the team? No, but some people need to see results to believe, others can put faith in the unknown.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't put faith
into something I cannot see with my own eyes.
Still, I respect your optimism and I hope that you’re right and I’m wrong.
there’s no need to attack me for my opinion though.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice dodge?
dude, I love the Giants.
What kind of madman would post complaint after complaint about a team that he wanted to see LOSE?
Do you think I want to bitch about the state of the team?? I want to enjoy watching the Giants play on sunday instead of having to pour Jack Daniels shots everytime we go three and out or give up a huge passing play.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine
you love the Giants. I just didn’t see it. Forgive me since I am new here.
However, no one is asking you to complain. No one is asking you to take shots because of a football game.
Yet you do it despite the fact you claim you hate it.
If you hate it, don’t do it.
Regardless, I’m sorry for attacking you. And go G-men.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
hyperbole dude
I really don’t take shots after every bad play. I’d be dead by now.
GO BIG BLUEEEEEEEEEEEE
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and no hard feelings
I love the giants.
My love is tough.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it's like real life, in that. . .
If all someone does is bitch and complain to the people around them, those people will get annoyed, want to avoid you, question your balance or call you out on it.
It’s like that on blogs, just like offline.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
it's like real life, in that...
…it’s just sports. Get over yourself if you can’t handle my opinion. I don’t bitch about the sunshine and roses horseshit vibe that people here want to force others to be on because they don’t like a differing opinion.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I just neck the bottle. Get some Gentleman's Jack, goes down smoother.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
is that the
Tennessee honey flavor? I had some last night, add that with pepsi and it’s like an orgy in your mouth
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah the Honey Jack kind of sucks, I think.
Theres regular Jack, Green label, which is regular Jack just less distilled, Single Barrel Jack which is more expensive, but a lot smother, and Gentleman’s Jack, which is the creme de la creme. Yes, I known my Jack Daniel’s.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
ah...
….a liquor connoisseur. You are a man of the people, good sir.
I like the Green label a lot. Honey Jack is just addicting because of the flavor.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Most people say that.
As a Jack Daniel’s enthusiast, Honey Jack is a novelty, nothing like the real thing.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
ohh
don’t talk about booze. I’m sweating out a bottle of Bushmills right now and whiskey is verbotten right about now.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Bushmills, that was your first mistake.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey!
it’s tripple distilled.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Doesn't make it taste better.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
the only way to drink Bushmills
is in an Irish Car Bomb, even then it’s Jameson FTW
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
It is not a car bomb unless it’s Jameson, Bailey’s and Guiness.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
do yourself a favor
and read all the wailing and gnashing to teeth among dallas fans about Romo’s 4th quarter meltdown.
It’ll do some good!
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
I am more a Scotch
kind of guy but the Gentleman Jack is some great stuff.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
I will try some this weekend
thanks for the heads up on that one guys
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, no problem.
Remember, it is called Gentleman’s Jack. Only the finest of Sirs may partake in the consumption of such a quality beverage. Enjoy, stay thirsty my friends.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If you gave me a pat on my back
I would put it on my resume.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
haha
The New York Football Giants: Turning Fans into Alcoholics since 1925
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not me..
Alcoholics go to them meetin’s…
I myself am a good ol fashion’d drunk!
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
AA is for quitters.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some of you ppl are truly drunk or delusional, or both
Eli is in a class with Rex Grossman, Chad Pennigton, Chad Henne, and Carson Palmer. He’s a serviceable QB at best, and the only thing that has folks thinking he is a top tier QB is his last name and the fact that he was on a great defensive team that ran the ball extremely well and happened to catch fire at the right time and win a SB. Sometimes, having a SB ring is overrated because just because you have one, that doesn’t make you a great player. Robert Horry has five championship rings but that still doesn’t automatically make him better that Lebron James! Consistent great play and winning is what makes you great, not a once in a lifetime miracle.
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Sep 16, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
how many games
were we actually outplayed and beaten in last year? 2 maybe the rest we did everything we could to lose. That’s coaching.
by wednesdays_spear on Sep 15, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
lord knows nothing says results like two straight mid to end season collapses.
Good day to you, BBI :-D
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
And the players are at no fault for that? Not executing on the field?
What a joke.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
where do you see
me giving the players a pass?
I’ve tossed Manning under the bus several times over.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lighten up
you’re being a debbie downer!!!
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just not all on the coachign staff.
They can’t make the players go out and perform. At some point, the players have to step up, take responsibility, and play harder. It’s not all on Eli, either. That’s a cop out. It’s why I liked what Rolle said yesterday. Someone needed to call this team out, kudos to him for doing so. Light a fire under their arses.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Rolle
he speaks his mind and is not afraid to call people out
We need more “loudmouths” that care enough to speak their peace
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
of course, he needs to show leadership through his play more
than his mouth. Everyone does.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Me
I like Grant. There’s no bluster, some standard rhetoric but you can see he’s a straight shooter. You can see that he carries a certain disdain for the media but its well hidden. Good man and he makes great, leaping, over the back of receivers intercceptions.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
TC is a good coach
Don’t forget he has the rest of the year to get things turned in the right direction before a decision will be made on him. If things spiral out of control expect big changes.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
TC is a good coach
But he isn’t a great coach, he has his weaknesses and lately they have been more pronounced.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
The future
If the Giants are below .500 by the time we hit that bye week, god help this team because the tail end of this year’s schedule is barbaric. We could literally lose 9 games in a ROW.
Even thinking 8 wins right now with all of these injuries, erratic offensive play, and dreadful coverage is a pipe dream.
Sun 11/20 Philadelphia Eagles Philadelphia 8:20 pm
Mon 11/28 New Orleans Saints at New Orleans 8:30 pm
Sun 12/4 Green Bay Packers Green Bay 4:15 pm
Sun 12/11 Dallas Cowboys at Dallas 8:20 pm
Sun 12/18 Washington Redskins Washington 1:00 pm
Sat 12/24 New York Jets at NY Jets 1:00 pm
Sun 1/1 Dallas Cowboys Dallas 1:00 pm
jesus CHRIST.
TC
needs to have this on the motivational board…
Even more the reason to stop sitting on their thumbs and start getting it together…
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
Off the track for a minute...
anybody read the Steven A. Smith column this morning?
Thoughts???
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 15, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
Excuse my lazy ass but
Link??
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
by roguetrader on Sep 15, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad Rouge!!!
He you go!!!
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6965777/new-york-giants-lack-fire-new-york-jets-abundance
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 15, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Stephen A likes to state the obvious with great force
I’ve yet to read him and think, wow I neve thought of that
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
true
plus he talks about the Jets beating down the Cowboys. When, in reality, Romo beat the Cowboys…not the Jets.
Pathetic
Blocked punt
Plain and simple
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
that put 6 points up...I'll agree
But Romo’s fumble on the 2 yard line and his gifted INT to Revis had a dramatic impact on that game.
Pathetic
and the snap he missed on his last drive
wait, botched snaps are only Eli’s fault… never mind
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
How could you not realize that?
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Stephen A is right
this team lacks fire and leadership, nevermind good health.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yawn....
Steven A… has been killing the Giants all preseason, after we just lost to the skins you know the guy is going to kill us. On top of that he is the conductor of the Jets bandwagon, hell he has already given NY to the Jets based on two AFC championship losses to go along with no division championships and a history so bad they are considered one of the top 5 snake bitten franchises in the NFL.
He can’t stand Eli becasue he didn’t bother to visit Plax in jail and didn’t come out of a meeting to say high when Plax was getting his closure with the Giants so him trashing Eli is predictable.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 15, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He wouldn't be able to say a damn thing about Manning
if Manning would play to his capability.
I want to see the Eli from the playoffs of 2007. A leader of men, not through words, but through smart, veteran play.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this
to add… yes the Jets have a better team now but the NY media translates that as “They are now NY’s team, its their town” disregarding history and championships.
In a way, its right cause I hate to say it but NYC is filled with the biggest bandwagon fans in the world. A guy that was wearing a Giant jersey in Feb 2008 is now wearing a Jet jersey. Same goes with the radio hosts, if they wern’t already a Jet fan, they are now cause its the cool thing to do.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't
who’s the NY team irrelevent?
And further, Isn’t the last team standing (of all the teams) the only relevent piece of info we care to know?
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
It should be that way yes
but its not, why were the SB Champ Packers getting less hype then teams like the Eagles, Jets, Pats, Saints? Cause the media love flashy offseason moves first.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It just means all the kids that were Cowboys fans in the 90s
that turned Pats fans in the early 2000s, are now gravitating to the Jets
This
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I Believe
that the gist of Ed’s message invites the commenters here to find ways to be optimistic about the coming season. The message of the commenters falls into two major ideas.
Tom Coughlin has to go
There is no leadership
Both ideas communicate a lack of hope and a sense of dispair. What happens if by chance, the Giants do everything right against the Rams and steamroll them. It’s feasable and then what will people here think?
the posters here are so clever, that sometimes they don't understand a single word of what they're saying."
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
if they steamroll the Rams
It will be great. It will be one game. Just like last week was one game.
I agree Ed is trying to keep people upbeat. And if I were the blog host, I’d do a lot of the same. Especially with the crazy overblown negativity that follows every little piece of unwelcome news. I mean, c’mon. It’s the NFL. EVERY season has unwelcome news every week (injuries, etc.). Rationally, you’d think experienced fans would know this. But they forget.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
we've been hit hard though
these injuries are insane.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the injuries have been hefty, many and costly
But it’s not as if the coaches are running around like Tonya Harding taking a Louisville Slugger to everyone’s ACL.
The only guy who seems like a walking lingering injury unprepared guy that I can see is Beckum. I think the coaches are mentally done with him but trying to put a brave face on the hand JR has dealt them.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
we'll be happy
until we play against Philly
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
With the bizzare
and unusual turn of events in the 4th qtr of the last game against the Eagles, I believe we owned them. We had figured how to control Vick and how to score on them. That last 8 minutes or so was an abberation. My point is that for 52 minutes we were the clear winners of that game. Erase that last part and believe there is enough evidence to indicate that we are very capable of beating Philly.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
with the exception of the Bizzare
Is what I meant to say
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
I blame Super Mario
And that screw up in the end of that third quarter. If we were up by three scores before the 4th that changes the Eagles mentality towards the game.
But yes it was weird.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
had the first down and everything
just gave the Eagles life.. and yet still to this day most people blame the most promising Punter our team has seen in quite some time.
When he punted there was still 30 something seconds left… more than enough time for Vick to drive 20-30 yards and have the eagles kick the game winning kick…
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
I actually believe
that if Fewell will get his head out of his ass and go for the kill we will have Vick running for his life. Philly’s offensive line is GARBAGE. In a sane world, the Giants should be able to break through and force Vick into bad throws and or sacks.
Of course, the guys also have to play like they actually care.
Still, we have to execute. It doesn’t matter how many mins we outplayed them if we piss everything away at the end of the game.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The rams did it.
That’s why Vick had 98 rushing yards. He was running for his life cuz the line couldn’t pass block.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
time we implement a neutralizer
the bucs did it with derrick brooks… They had too.
Have one guy just to tackle vick when he decides to take off…
That is his only job. Force Vick to make the throws. I say bring the hammer, make sure he is picking himself up after every play.
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
I hate to say this
but I actually want to put Vick out of the game. i don’t wish harm on players but I’m so pissed off about the way things have gone that I want the Eagles fans to feel a bit of our pain.
Let them look on with despair as our dogs repeatedly lay blow after blow on Vick, rendering him into a useless heap.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there.
Agreed, knock him out for the game, nothing serious. Maybe bruised ribs. That should do it. Feel our pain.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
that wasn’t even intentional, but well played.
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'm aiming for cracked ribs
it will be hard to make insane throws when your lungs are on fire
by MrDollarBills on Sep 15, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I palyed 3 out of 4 games in a Hockey tournament with two cracked ribs.
Cracked them in the first game, I don’t know how I was even skating. Maybe it was the beers in between each game. It is extremely unpleasant though.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I
have a cracked rib as we speak. I dropped my bike (BMW K) in gravel about a month and a half ago and with the addrenalin working, I flipped it back up (all 660 lbs) which I thought was cool for me to do at age 64. Then came the pain. Gettin oid!
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
we need to practice this
on the Bradford this monday… Remember “Practice makes Perfect”
Take him out of the game, just dont take him out for the season or his career..
"Oh god help us all, the metlife blimps are coming, OMGWFTBBQFTW!!!!!!"
"Who needs a Bomar, when one can have a Perriloux"
It's a game
that the Giants NEED to win. Do the players step it up for the Plilly game? Leadership or no, the team has to step it up and there is too much motovation. The losses, Jackson and McCoy’s taunting, that total collapse and so forth and so on. There’s a good chance that the Eagles will be arrogant and not as pumped for the game. They will be thinking “these guys are chumps”.
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
Eli will still suck, and Coughlin will still need to be fired. Such is the way of life.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Trattou was waived..
to make room for Stokley.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 15, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
Tuck?
That mean Tuck should be ok for Monday?
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 15, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well, he was practicing in pads
so I’m going to say Tuck should play.
Looks that way
Next week: Cruz cut, bring in some other stopgap.
Its like a revolving door roster spot for whoever we need to help plug holes this week.
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Delusional
I have not read all the comments but thinking the Giants will reverse their trend is delusional in my mind.
If I am proven wrong, all the better.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 15, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
I guess it's kind of like thinking we will see an optimistic post from you
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I'm sorry Unknown,
you watch the Giants play with a certainty that they will lose? How’s that work out for you?
‘Expert’ – from the adjective *pert*, meaning ‘lively’ or ‘effective,’ and the prefix *ex-*, meaning ‘not.’
"saying you are right when you’re wrong only gives you the right to be wrong"
An optimist is a person that falls off the empire state building and after 50 floor says so far so good!
I am not certain they will lose
Not certain about anything except death and taxes.
Feel strongly that the character of this team has not changed to date. Hoping it will.
How’s it been the last few years? Not happy at the end of the season.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
It is equally worthless when people are always optimistic or always pessimistic. Either way I take their opinion with a pound of salt because I know they only have one setting. I post my own thoughts, not what either side wants to read.
by UnknownJintsFan on Sep 15, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I undetstsnd unknown.
It is hard to expect more then what we have aready seen. I hope you are wrong too bro.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 15, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn..what could've been.
Plax killed us in ’08. :/
by schmosterballs92 on Sep 15, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
A head coach proposal
Here in San Diego, a lot of Chargers fans are wanting to get rid of Norv Turner for the opposite reason. The Chargers start out very slow, then do well the second half of the season. Sometimes, though, the hole they dig in the first half is too deep and they miss the playoffs or home field advantage.
My proposal is that the Giants hire Turner away from the Chargers. TC coaches the first half of the season, and Turner the second half. In that way the Giants should be 12-4 or 11-5 every season. I think TC would be brought back for the playoffs because he is more proven there.
this is still a good football team
The Giants should be wounded right now. They need to step up and make big plays.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
I'm down wit JPP
Yea you know me
Just heard the most asinine analysis on ESPN radio
On the Ruocco & Lundberg show, one of them (I don’t listen to them enough to tell them apart) said (not even hinted at or suggested, but flat out said) that Coughlin is OK with his team losing even if they play well. Not sure what they’re basing this off of…seems like they just pulled this out of their you know what for whatever reason.. It is the radio home of the Jets so I suppose that could be the reason.
Oh and Mike Lupica started to say “I don’t want to say any game in September is a must win…BUT..” that’s when I turned it off.
Hey remember when we went 0-2 to start off ’07? Yeah that season was a real failure.
Reverse the trend...
against the Eagles, Cowboys, Packers, Patriots, Jets and the Saints to play? I hope they reverse the trend of winning in the first half so if they go 1-5 I can root for a number 2 or 3 draft pick
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
by Drizzzy on Sep 15, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
so how disappointed will you be
if we win 8-10 games and end up picking 19-22ish again. What If we’re picking 31st or 32nd? How terrible would that be?
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If they start 4-1
and end up with 8 wins that’s not bad. If they start 0-6, but win the next 5 games that would be annoying. And smh to the last question
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
haha That's gold Jerry!
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 15, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anybody have PFF's numbers for the game? I'd like to see individual ratings for each, but I'm not a subscriber
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
haha
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, but their game review is up and open to the public
Re-Focused – Giants @ Redskins, week 1
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 15, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but they didn't tell me anything I didn't know already.
I was hoping for some observations that I hadn’t noticed. Didn’t DVR the game because I saw it at a bar, so couldn’t re-watch it
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm KP top free safety in the league last week
Good for him.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
PFF
I will get them posted for you on Friday.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Technicality in 2008
The 9-1 Giants beat Arizona with Plax only on the field for one play (hamstring). The Giants were 10-1 when Plax shot himself. They beat Washington to go 11-1. The next week Plax was indicted and the Giants suspended him without pay, put him on the reserve/non-football injury list and told him they weren’t paying him that last $1million of his signing bonus that he was due the next week. (an arbitrator later awarded Plax the $1mm anyway)
If you recall Antonio Pierce (the “leader” of the defense) was left swinging ing the wind, facing possible legal charges and NFL discipline until training camp the next year.
The only game the Giants won the rest of the season was in overtime at home against Carolina to clinch the top seed in the NFC.
Clearly the matter was entirely Plax’s fault. However, I still think that if Giants management had been as interested in team morale and winning another Super Bowl as they were in saving some bucks and keeping the media impressed with their integrity, that team wouldn’t have collapsed as badly as it did.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Darn it roguetrader!
how could you do what you did to UBS?
Your family must be heartbroken!
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think our team has been depleted to the point we can't take the division..
..forget all the knee jerk reaction BS and check the sig.
Tuck,JPP,Osi,Kiwi,Canty,Anvil,Tolly all will be in rare form and be getting opponents down to their 3rd QB's.
Killdrive,Tom Quinn,and the QB coach Eli is developing(WTF!)must all go even if we win it all!
We start fast,we finish like shiz.
Start like shiz,finish like barbarians!
Hynocerous
Wonder if our fullback could be a short yardage man? Jacobs is a tall target, and Bradshaw doesn’t carry the
weight. I think it would be worth a try to give Hynoski a quick hitter a few times to see what he can do. At the least,
a few hand-offs would encourage the defense to honor a fake to him.
I like where your head's at
maybe a fake hand-off to Hank up the middle, then pitch or screen it to AB or BJ in space.
KG already thought of that idea, but then he hit the crackpipe and it’s gone now.
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I suggested this in an earlier post.
Then, I stopped and realized KG is still our OC.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
Except in my play call...
AB and HH would be the receiving/pitch options. Jacobs has trouble with pass catching.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
Its true ... Oh its damn true!
Jacobs has better hands than Bradshaw. Not only is he a better pass catcher he’s less likely to cough the football up. He also averages more yards per carry , he had more explosive plays …. Wait why is Bradshaw starting again ?
by TheBXRepresenta on Sep 15, 2011 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No AB is the better pass catcher. BJ drops alot of passes.
But, you’re right about the fumbling and ypc.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
I too lilke where yoru head is at
but I said earlier today the issue is predictability.
3rd and 1, trot out extra linemen and TE’s and a heavy package.
Hmmmmmm, wonder what they are gonna run?
Trot out that package and play action out of it on a quick TE slant on a three step drop maybe.
Don’t trot it out in the first place and make the other team commit to a defense that they may not be comfortable with.
I hate to go back to 2007 but we had a very good offense because we made them react to us and not vice versa.
I want a new OC and badly.
Even if the guy sucks, someone else that isn’t afraid to open the friggin book and throw the sink at some of these teams.
Shit, we have some of the best weapons and don’t use them.
Oh KG...SMDH
Why no Brandon Jacobs in short-yardage? Said #NYG OC Kevin Gilbride: “Unfortunately you’ve seen it not work haven’t you? That’s your answer”
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
lol
thanks KG, a lot of information there
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, AB and everything else didn't work in similar situations KG...
Are you just gonna punt the ball on 3rd down from now on?
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
haha
if that were the case…oh dear god, help us all
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 15, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
shut your mouth!
never say a thing like that again, you’ll scare the kids that read this
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy needs to be our head coach
please never say that again
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 15, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you deserve to be flagged for making such an inappropriate remark
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
What's the old saying??
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We lack dicipline, and it shows every week. Sad, but this will be a frustrating season as well.
The final 9 games are brutal
but winnable.
Before you ask if I am crazy, allow me to remind you of something. The Giants beat the unbeatable Patriots with an unstoppable pass rush.
I have to be confident that when the Giants have access to Tuck, Osi, JPP, and Kiwi, they can beat any team in the league.
"The nerve of certain youngins running their mouth.
Until [the Eagles] win something major, I don't want to hear it."
-the Facebook mayor of East Rutherford
even if we have all those guys on defense
25 ints and some fumbles can doom a good 4 front
by Bavaro 89 on Sep 15, 2011 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wanna know what is pissing me off lately?
All around I hear, “Even if the Giants don’t have a good season, they will at least have a top draft pick.”
And the Giants picked 16th and got a guy who is arguably top 5-10 in the draft. Aaaaand, then he got injured on his second day of work.
So how does the above philosophy have any relevance to this season? ha
No need to make last years team worse than we were… we picked 19th
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
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