Tom Coughlin Wednesday Press Briefing Highlights
by Ed Valentine on Sep 14, 2011 1:42 PM EDT
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PrintHere are some of the highlights from Tom Coughlin's Wednesday press conference, in which the curmudgeonly old New York Giants ballcoach revealed that he does know how to text message, and does so with St. Louis Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo.
On what the Giants lose when Justin Tuck is not in the lineup.
"Leadership ability. Pass rush. Where do you want me to stop? What do you think we lose? You lose a heck of a football player and the captain of your defensive team," Coughlin said.
"You lose Osi, too, if you want me to keep going. Get them out there and you will quickly see and that's not taking anything away from the guys that are playing. They are playing their tails off. Tollefson played well. Trattou came in and gave us some snaps. JPP rose up again when he had to and made a couple sacks. They are playing hard and there is no if, ands or buts about that. You are talking about reinforcements of a very high quality."
Coughlin said that Tuck practiced in a limited capacity on Wednesday.
Tight end/H Back Travis Beckum did not practice again on Wednesday due to his ongoing hamstring issues. Coughlin said "Beckum is Beckum" when asked about him, then said he is not frustrated by the ever-present health issues with the third-year receiver.
"We have had hamstring issues with Travis before," Coughlin said. "I am not frustrated but expectations are very high. It is very difficult to improve him when he is not practicing."
Hakeem Nicks did not practice, and Coughlin said veteran Domenik Hixon will step in if Nicks (bone bruise on his knee) can't go on Monday.
"Domenik has done it before and very well," Coughlin said. "Victor has to get ready and go play. Jernigan has to get ready and go play and Devin Thomas will have opportunities as well so they have to prepare themselves to go and when the opportunity is there they have to take advantage of it."
Coughlin was also asked about trying to equalize the number of carries between Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs, something he said during the preseason the Giants wanted to do. Bradshaw had 13 carries Sunday against Washington to just six for Jacobs.
"The first thing that has to happen is that we have to get some plays on offense. If you make some third downs, then you have a chance to have some plays and you have a chance to have some continuity. You have a chance to do a lot of different things," Coughlin said. "I am not going to tell you that it will be this or that. I know in my mind what I am looking for in all the players if they were healthy. How many times I want them to touch the ball. But that is under circumstances where you have some snaps and you are doing some things in the game to keep the ball."
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 14, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
I'm still a believer in Beckum
but he really needs to get his hamstring issues worked out.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
agreed
but he needs to make some strides this season
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Sep 14, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Believer, or is it "hoper."
Or is it a combination. Well, you and all Giants fans HOPE he will be a contributor, hell, we hope he will be a pro bowler. But at this point, belief must be waning, no?
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
I'm a Big Ten fan so I saw this guy play often
If he can get on the field and be used properly, he will be a very good player for us.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Sounds kinda like hope.
Me too.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
College vs NFL
My buddy is a BIG WVU fan and LOVED Pat White coming out of WVU, but knew he wouldn’t be much in the NFL.
I’m a HUGE ND fan and watched Golden Tate dominate in college but realized his game didn’t translate into the NFL.
Sometimes blind faith is just that
I don't equate a QB to a TE
The transition isn’t as difficult for a TE.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
ok....
So its an easier transition and Becks is STILL struggling to make it. He’s obviously not a 3rd round talent.
I think many factors play into it
Cameron Wake did nothing in the 4-3. He goes to the CFL (UFL?) and comes back to the 3-4 at Miami and excels. There is a lot that goes into a player being successful.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Oh for sure
And maybe Becks just isn’t for the GMen. I mean Brady almost assuredly wouldn’t have been Brady if he doesn’t go to the Pats.
You cant say that
thats too big of an “IF”
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Former Giants TE Shancoe
I remember him well as a Giant and we didn’t throw him the ball so I guess people assumed he couldn’t catch. He went on to become a pass catching threat for the Vikes.
Greg Jones will bring it and serve notice in the NFL
"Hello...you play to win the game."
by TrueBlue777 on Sep 14, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
injuries are also a factor
It’s hard to learn and develop on the trainer’s bench.
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
you sure did. gotta get that blindness checked out soon.
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
remember in college
You don’t have a position coach at TE like you do in the pros.so you should be that much better if you are decent.
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 14, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah
Maybe after a couple consistent games of not producing but i think he can be an awesom pass catcher but he is soft but hey he wont be the first soft player to do big things.
He just has to stay healthy.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Off the top of my head, No
or not for the whole year…IDK but that doesnt matter cause he was behind, Nicks, SS, HAM, Boss, and A beast running game so i didnt expect too much from him but this is the year, this year he doesnt have all thos options in front of him so this is the perfect time to show what you got. After this year, i will start to have more of a definition of what he is as far as a football player.
Him and Barden are really missing out but hey injury is injury even if your soft lol.
yes, i am going to keep calling him soft, i cant help it, sorry lol.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
"I am noy going to tell you that it's going to be this or that."
Based on this answer, I don’t think TC has the power to make this move. It seems that someone else further up is calling this shot.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 14, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
More like
“The opposing defense is already gonna know half of our offensive playcalls before they’re even called so I don’t want to give them any more of of an advantage then they already have.”
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't give away KG's creative secrets
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Nah, just a moron.
According to some on our rival sites. :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Funny...
I was at the game with my Redskins fan cousin. Every time we had the ball, I told him what play we were going to run. I was about 80% correct. I’m not a professional defensive coordinator… I think they might be a little bit better at “figuring out” Gilbride’s play calling system.
by vaanesthesia on Sep 14, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's it
I think Coughlin is trying to give himself wiggle room. If he says something definitively, then he’s tied to it. He said that Jacobs would get more carries and that’s why he keeps getting questions about it now. If he leaves it unsettled, then nobody can call him out later.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
HAHA you think he cares about being called out by anyone but Reese??
Here is the honest truth, our opinion doesnt matter, no journalists opinions ot questions matter to most coaches, well the good ones, so while we sit here and come up with talk for our enjoyment, they could care less.
He is not planning his words out so the media doesnt jump on him later, lol, those guys dont even want to talk to the media 100% of the time.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I strongly disagree.
I see coaches measure their words all the time. They are most definitively worried about giving the media ammunition. Teams have meetings about it with players and coaches.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
I think you misconceive it as not giving ammunition
in reality, they just really dont want to talk to them, they would rather watch grass grow alot of the times, hence the snide remarks you mostly hear from them.
I also said the good coaches operate that way, the other ones or the newer ones are those that you see dancing around the media but the more accomplished and hard nosed ones could care less what the media saya, and their teams dont either.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
What?
He has the authority to make that move. He just is never, ever going to reveal ‘this is exactly what we are going to do.’
by Ed Valentine on Sep 14, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If it is a matter...
Of beimg unpredictable, then I don’t think that his refusal to state whether BJ will more carries is going to make this team any more predictable than it aready is. Besides he was definitive when speaking about our WRs.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 14, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it's more like
He doesn’t want to answer questions from those morons like, “You said Jacobs would get 12 carries and he only got 10, why?”
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I've seen this episode before
Need Tuck back, Beckum is a waste of a blue jersey, other WRs need to step up, something about wanting to run the ball more… blah blah blah
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
there's some talk that Nike
will own the uniforms next year and that the Giants might get new uniforms. I could only imagine what they would look like
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
by NJsandman on Sep 14, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would be open to this
Those road whites are atrocious in my opinion
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE the road whites.
Sorry to be the contrarian in the group, but I do.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Absolutely not
Keep the uniforms as they are. These are the historical jerseys and should be kept as such.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
by Willgfass on Sep 14, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, that outta be "unique"
did anyone else see the layout for the new USC, OSU, LSU, & Stanford unis? They have it set where half of the team logo is on each glove so when you put them together, you’d see the full logo.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Sorry
it was Michigan State, not USC
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
what about the MD uniforms
by oldschoolblue64 on Sep 14, 2011 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Go back to the 80's Uni
With the GIANTS logo on the helmet
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm cool with the ny.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
I have no problem with it
But the old Uni’s take me back to old days… a crazy Defense
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you TAWD
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Hey, we are a bunch of bad sons of bitches, lets play some ball!
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 14, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Man I loved watching that S.O.B play!!!
The greatest LB eva!! I mean he was MVP of the league for unheard of for a defensive player.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Wow
Brought a tear to my eye, he was so great. There will never be another LT ever, and we as Giants fans can enjoy our history with him.
Has anyone heard if they will wear the 80's Uni's at least once this year for their "throwback" uniforms that every other team seems to rock at some point?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 14, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
?
Are team is gone. We should just take the L.A stadium. And start over cause it seems like u gave are team away…
by Amsterdam Admirals on Sep 14, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The current jerseys
are actually the original scheme (well after they got real helmets and stuff).
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Go back to the 80's, 90's UNis, they were dope.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
never mind
some guy designed these for the hell of it.
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
HORRIBLE
I love our unis that we already have
BBV> facebook
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 14, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
never mind
some guy named espnsucks didn’t read the comment above.
BBV> facebook
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 14, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he's an idiot
like that guy TAWD
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I do want to see Devin Thomas
TO be the #3 this week or a least given a shot. Let’s see what the kid can do.
Why is Tom Quinn still here? I loves me some Coach Clawfin.
Maybe I’m in the wrong, but I think Beckum is pure trash. He has no ceiling and he’s not even good now. From my perspective, the Giants like TEs that can block as well as run short routes (ex. Kevin Boss). So why don’t you guys just start Ballard? He’s a pretty good blocking TE and even though he only caught 2 passes against the redskins, he looked pretty good. Again, I don’t know too much about either guy (especially Ballard), but that’s just from my perspective.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"They just tried to do a criss-cross route or something. I just hid a little bit, saw the ball in the air and I do what I do - go get the ball."
-The President CB
Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.
Hpw did you reach that conclusion?
I think Beckum is pure trash. He has no ceiling and he’s not even good now.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
he is eagles fans who doesnt follow giants
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 14, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on now.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"They just tried to do a criss-cross route or something. I just hid a little bit, saw the ball in the air and I do what I do - go get the ball."
-The President CB
Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.
Really? You think that now or maybe even possibly in the future, Travis Beckup can be a solid fixture a TE???
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"They just tried to do a criss-cross route or something. I just hid a little bit, saw the ball in the air and I do what I do - go get the ball."
-The President CB
Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.
It's not hard to figure that one out
This is his third year in the league and he has an amazing 21 catches in 31 games played. Let me repeat that 21 catches in 31 games! He’s never had more then 2 catches in a single game (hard to believe with such amazing stats). I know you are a huge supporter of Beckum and think that Killdrive just doesn’t use him properly but I just haven’t seen much from him besides mistakes. He’s played in enough games that we know what he is, and that’s useless.
You're assuming a few things
For one, you’re assuming that the TE position gets many targets in our offense. It doesn’t.
Second, you’re assuming that while Boss was here, Beckum would have gotten targets over Boss. That wasn’t going to happen.
Third, you’re assuming that someone who was drafted to be an H-back, as both Reese and Gilbride said on draft day, has been used as an H-back. He hasn’t.
Fourth, you’re assuming that Eli is the type of QB who spreads the ball around a la Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. He doesn’t. Eli doesn’t look for the open man. Eli looks for his guys first.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
And You're assuming...
that he’s a good player. I’m using stats.
Your argument about Eli proves my point. Eli looks for his playmakers. He realized that’s not Beckum. Some how I don’t think Eli says “Well Beckum is WIDE open, but let me see what Nicks and Ham are doing first”
No
Eli doesn’t always see who is wide open because he’s looking for specific guys. The perfect example is the INT to Kerrigan. He looked right to Bradshaw and didn’t even check for who else might have been open.
Re: Interception.
A: Just their blitz and what kind of defense they were playing from the top of the sidelines. Went to the right check and they were in an all-out blitz and the guy just made a good play.Q: It looked like the corner was on the receiver, but you could go over the top of him. Did you see that?
A: Yeah. I think we could have had a big play. They were in an all-out blitz so I tried to get a little receiver screen and it just didn’t [go] that well.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Eli saw it
but still went somewhere else. That proves that he’s not always throwing to the open WR.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
this wasnt always the case
he used to go thru the prgressions & throw to whoever was open. Unfortunatley, he doesnt trust that some of these guys will make the right read & run the right pattern. & I dont blame him for that.
If he’s trying to cut down the INTs, y would he throw to a guy who’s not gonna be in the place he throws it to?
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
I think he's always been that way
Eli used to throw to a covered Plax than an open Amani. It’s no coincidence that Amani said that Kerry was his favorite QB because “he actually threw me the ball.”
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
kerry didnt have anyone else to throw too
& when u have a reciever like Plax, sometimes you just have to put it up & let him make a play. But I think it was early 2006 on Sirius NFL Radio when Eli said something to the effect of finally being able to find his 3rd read and make the throw
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Kerry
also had Ike, Shockey, Tiki… not the greatest offense ever but they were very reliable targets
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
but we ran a completely different offense & Amani was the #1 so he automatically got the most targets.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
this is true
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to admit, though,
that Eli has always had ‘favorites.’ Wether it was Plax and Amani, SS12, now Nicks. Eli leans on the guys he trusts. Which is often smart, but sometimes it is very stupid.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Oh I completely agree
I’m not saying he doesn’t have his favorites and he for sure puts a ton of trust in those guys.
To a fault at times.
I had to ride both sides of the fence, but when Cruz is dropping the ball, that has to affect Eli’s decision to throw to him again. If you ask me, Eli needs to keep giving these guys chances. It will be to his, and the teams detriment, if he doesn’t involve everybody.
Guys gotta know Eli believes in them and will throw to them. Eli could help them with their confidence in this regard. And if a guy gets to the NFL level as a WR, you know he can catch the ball. If he can get open, then all he needs is confidence in himself, and then he needs the QB to deliver the ball.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Eli has made so many bad decisions
He has no right to be shutting receivers out because of one or two drops.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Except
said receivers can’t even run the right route. Coughlin has commented the same about Cruz.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 14, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Cruz is a 2nd year UDFA
Eli Manning is a top-5 pick, a $100M QB, who is in his 8th season. We should expect more out of the QB.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
It isn't just Cruz
And why should Eli throw the ball into an open space when the receiver isn’t going to end up where he is supposed to be?
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 14, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think its favortism tho
I think its just trust that a guy will be where he expects him to be. Think of 2008 when SS, Amani, & Hixon all ended the season within 10 catches of each other. And Plax only had 35 thru 12 games. He trusted everyone of those guys to be in the right place. Thats why the distribution was so even.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
I don't see it?
Where does it say he saw a wide open Bradshaw? It looks to me like he is saying he could have over the top to the WR. The CB is DEFINITELY not on Nicks, and even if he was, I think we all have enough confidence in Nicks to make the first guy miss.
My point is that Bradshaw wasn't open
but Eli threw the ball to him anyway while a WR was open and Eli didn’t throw to the WR.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
well
I read it as, instead of calling the screen, he could have called a pass over the top, still to the same WR. Maybe my reading comprehension is struggling.
Just curious but
Whenever I see the Giants run a 2 minute drill, Eli spreads the ball around quite well
But when we run our offense, it only goes to certain guys
Even more curious, in 2008, when Plax left the offense, Hix got plugged in and miraculously got all of Plax’s targets (I painstakingly counted them using NFL game books).
So the question becomes how and why does Eli get his tunnel vision? It’s strange as it seems to be intermittent and not dependent on the guy.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I said this last week
When he is in the 2-minute drill, which is also when the offense is simplified, he’s more assertive with his decision-making and his WRs are more precise in running the offense. I don’t think it’s a coincidence.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
I don't think the WRs being more precise
I think its the absence of the “regular” offense. There’s no time for all the nonsensical trickery in the 2 minute drill. There is no coach in his ear saying we have em set up for “the PLAY”
It’s just throwing and catching, find the guy get rid of the ball
TC is a control freak, big time. I suspect KG is too. And they both favor a WR based offense.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
I think WRs are worried about making the right pre-snap read
in the regular offense. That leads to hesitation and sloppiness. In the 2-minute offense, you go on your route and you don’t need to make any reads. That leads to conviction and crispness.
I could be reading too much into it though.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Then we agree 100%
I think the pre-route reads are crippling these guys. It strips them of their strengths. They are hesitant.
Take Cruz, I’ve got no idea if he’ll cut it. But I do know that he demonstrated superior physical ball skills in his limited preseason looks. He went up for the ball like a rebounder in basketball. The rules favor him now, just let him run and out physical some guys.
Hixon still looks fast to me, let him run deep posts and corners just to scare the other teams DBs. Even if the ball doesn’t go to him, if he blows by someone, they give him more cushion the next time.
I suspect some of this is an internal struggle. JR keeps accumulating pieces for a WCO, and a pressure defense, the coaches keep subverting it.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Defenses
Its also because defense are playing against the long ball and leaving the underneath open.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Sep 14, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that the play was a WR screen to Nicks. Bradshaw wasn't even a factor on the play.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the design of the play...
On that play the quarterback is taking his quick drop and looking to hit one guy. That’s how the play is drawn up. It doesn’t allow for Eli to survey the field. Had Mackenzie made the block, it might have gone differently.
The only way he is going to go to another receiver is if he sees something in the defense in his pre-snap read, given that he is in his own endzone, so it’s not a situation where he can buy any kind of time. The ball has to get out immediately.
Eli goes to his other receivers plenty. Look at the numbers.
The fact that he doesn’t go to Beckum, and Beckum is a pass catching TE mind you, doesn’t say too much for Beckum. The guy can’t block. What’s he worth?
And it’s really hard to blame it on Eli when Beckum is constantly getting singled out by Gilbride for running the wrong route, even in the preseason. I mean, c’mon, third year in the offense, he should at least have the offense down. Hard for a quarterback to trust a guy that runs the wrong routes and doesn’t produce when thrown to.
by Max Schwager on Sep 14, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be fair to Beckum
He got incredibly limited PT and caught like 95% of the balls thrown his way and had a bunch wiped out by penalties.
If he can’t get healthy is one thing, but he’s shown some skills.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
hammy issues ?
Dude has same injury for three years, come on I am not buying it.Ballard looks like the diamond we have been looking for.lets just roll with him.
by gman in vegas on Sep 14, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times has Beckum not played because of hamstring issues?
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Does it matter?
In the games the he has played he has been virtually invisible! The only time I see him he’s running the wrong routes!
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Perception doesn't equate to reality
Beckum had 2 TDs last year. That’s while being virtually invisible.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
no
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ballard had 2 great catches.
Showed good hands and body control. But he is a big lumbering type of guy. He weighs about 275. I don’t see him dazzling anybody with crisp route running anytime soon.
We will have to roll with him for now. And if he can average 3 catches per game, with 2 of those converting third downs, I would be ecstatic to get that kind of production from him.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
how much did kevin boss weigh
we would all take 2 catches from ballard a game
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 14, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
265 I believe @ 6' 7'
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Health.
He is having trouble getting on the field. That is the first part of being successful at any job. Gotta be there.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Read the rest of the thread and you will get a good idea.
Also, try googling him. You’ll learn enough to start answering other peoples questions.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Ouch
He has the same ceiling and talent as a Dennis Pitta or Aaron Hernandez, same talent if u ask me but will it ever be realized?? IDK…… they are tougher than him in my opinion and their coaches make things happen with them, they are priority and they step up.
So whikle Travis is soft, he hasnt gotten a fair shake at all, he needs to step up and they need to make more of a priority i guess but i understand your distain with Becks all the way. I do disagree with that statment tho.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Again, I don’t know too much about either guy (especially Ballard), but that’s just from my perspective.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"They just tried to do a criss-cross route or something. I just hid a little bit, saw the ball in the air and I do what I do - go get the ball."
-The President CB
Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.
Beckum is unproven and injury prone
but there’s no way to draw conclusions either way on him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So if Hixon starts
does that mean he is off PR duty and it goes to… dare I even say it… JJ?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
no way jj gets in there, let cruz back in and hixon and d thomas first
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 14, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think has done PRs since the 2010 preseason
Thomas is a KR, not sure he has ever returned punts. I ask because in the past, Coughlin has either Hixon as a starting WR or a Retuner/extra receiver. In 08 when he started for Plax… TC took him off return duties and used AB and McQuarters. In 09 when the season started, he was just a WR. Then he got a mild injury, jumped by Ham and Nicks on the depth chart, and by week 6 he was mostly just a PR/KR. The point is, given his track record.. TC trys to avoid using starters has returners.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW..... Cruz is who I meant by
Don’t think has done PRs since the 2010 preseason
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume Thomas, maybe Cruz
if Hixon and Ham started
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
hixon had 2 catches last week, thats a start
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 14, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We're both in garbage time? One was for sure.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
JJ is our most explosive punt returner.
He catches the ball, he has a chance to house it. Every one he caught during the preseason, he had a nice return.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he has a chance...
But how many did he muff,fumble,miss judge,or otherwise not catch clean in preseason? Can a weak ST unit (poorly coached) afford to take that chance?……….Keep him returning in practice and let him learn for a while……..trouble is without a real ST coordinator there is no telling how long that will take!
"Can't win with Tom Quinn"
Noooooo way!
Unless the coaching staff is UNBELIEVABLY sure he will not muff a punt, there is no way we can add another potential stupid play to any game. We already have too much of a history of TO’s, penalties, etc. to increase the probability that we will have more.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
"Beckum is Beckum"
LMAO if that dont say it all…..Mr.Softee
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Again let me clarify i think he can be an awesome football player for us
and hopefully he will but “Beckum is Beckum” lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Sounds like a new show on Fox
with each episode ending with someone saying, “Oh Travis!” and everyone laughing
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Smash Mouth... LOOKOUT!
Think we will be playing smash mouth Monday nite. If I read btwn the lines, TC feels Jints didnt play to their strength vs ‘Skins. I think he’s looking for more in-yr-face pass rushing and press pass coverage on D. And if Tynes has bad game, he’s gone.
Marfar
TC even said "We are going to have to manufacture wins."
I know it sounds like baseball, but he said we would run the ball more.
When I think of ‘manufacturing wins,’ I think of ball control, short safe passes, outstanding special teams to help out with field position, mistake free (no drops, no TO’s) football, no penalties, stop the run on defense to force teams into third and long situations with lower % of making the first down.
You know, Giants football. God it feels like we are so far away from that kind of football right now.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Giants are playing MoneyBALL
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
just a joke reference
because he said its like a baseball game plan
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see that movie. :-)
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
its does look pretty good
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
they used scott hatteberg and david justice in movie or actors pretending to be?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 14, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
actors
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
isnt this what TC said when he first got here?
isnt this the type of football we ALL expect this team to play? Then why have we gotten away from it? Why does this (all of a sudden) seem like some profound observation? The new way isnt working so we gotta try something (not so unfamiliar but) different
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
2008 was TC/Giants football
NFL record for fewest TO’s in a 16 game season, one of the least penalized teams in the NFL. Good Special teams, very good defense. Oh, and we bludgeoned teams with the best Oline in the game as Earth, Wind, and Fire were killin’ it.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
And then...
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
We need to be playing Tunaball.
Instead of Eli saying “we need to play better football”, he should just say “we need to start playing Tunaball”.
Quinn must go !!
Instead of saying, "We need to play better football"
They all need to say, “We need to go out there like a buncha crazed dogs and kick some ass!” (paraphrasing from my favorite Giant of all time)
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
No bunting I hope
Hit and run, yeah
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
beckum just sucks, im even tired of hearing about him.
He is like a phantom player, always hear about him but never see him. Also we desperately need to get tuck and OSI back in the lineup.
by ajdurk4mets on Sep 14, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No mention of "rocket?"
I’d love to hear an explanation for that. If I missed it, my bad.
2011 Big Blue View Pick' Em Record: 10-6 (2nd place)
by BrooksBridges11 on Sep 14, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
Rocket!!!!!!!
Who has the guts to ask Tom Coughlin when the truck they did not change the audible name which clearly means “WR screen to the right”
Seriously Mike Garafolo, Ed Valentine anyone! Please ask this question!!!! We deserve to know how this could happen.
I like Rocket better than Omaha
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
There are certainly plenty
on here who think that they could do it better. They may be right, who’s to say. Truth is, we got who we got for now so let’s hope they get their act together sooner rather than later.
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not saying...
No saying I could do a better job of coaching a pro football team. What I am saying is that if they are so ignorant to think that they dont need to change the names of their audibles especially when they are facing a team with Barry Cofield on it (who knows everything about our playbook) then they deserve a Giant WET WILLIE!!!! and if this is indeed true then they better shape up or you can say goodbye to this entire coaching staff by next season! Book it!
I'm not pointing a finger at anybody in particular
And I honestly think that there is a huge amount of FB knowledge present on this site.
I agree with you 100% about the audibles.
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll never have the depth and breadth of knowledge
that Coughlin and his coaches have. However, it doesn’t take 20 years in coaching to know that Jacobs should run the ball more than six times. It doesn’t take Belichick to know that CBs who excel at press coverage will likely struggle in zone coverage. You don’t have to be in the film room every day to notice pretty early that rushing 3 D-linemen on 3rd down wasn’t working.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
And having watched for the last 3 years
The pattern of abandoning the press at the first sign of trouble
Abandoning the run game too early
Running the same plays over and over till they get recognized.
It’s not the coaching expertise I worry about, it’s the willingness to repeat things that haven’t been working
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
Adjusting to the flow of the game
They see Rex converting 3rd downs and they just keep trying the same thing. They see the Redskins selling out on blitzes and they don’t counter with the run game. Sigh. My head hurts thinking about it.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
What kills me
Rex isn’t exactly chock full of confidence. In Pitt or NE, the first chance they get on 3rd and long, they bring everyone, maybe a big overload, just to put in the head of the QB, that they are going to do some crazy ass spit all game. Theymake sure they put a hit on him, just to shake him up and loosen his fillings a bit.
And you must have noticed how often that happens to the Giants. Who wants to face Eli, calm and dissecting. Every team we face brings heat early just to make sure they can smack him around a bit.
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
On Offense
you can run a screen, you can play action on third and short
On defense this secondary gets exposed if there is not a very consistent pass rush.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Sep 14, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We think we do
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
What’s the deal with Carson Palmer …let’s bring him over to light fire in somebody’s rear end
by Bavaro 89 on Sep 14, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he's under contract with Cincy.
played the retirement card because they wouldn’t give him a trade. The last guy we need here IMHO.
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This sounds familiar
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Beckum
“We’d be fools to think Coach Coughlin isn’t frustrated,” Beckum said. “I’m frustrated.”
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
any idea
whose spot he’s taking?
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
don't we need to remove somebody from the roster to make room for him though?
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't do that
once somebody has been moved to active roster, more likely that extra safety, Martin.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Sep 14, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
NO!
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhh
Didn’t understand the question
TeamJPP
by andiamo708 on Sep 14, 2011 7:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So....you don't sign Smith because you have confidence in Hixon/Cruz
and then after one week, you sign a 35 year old to supplant them?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Did I miss something?
I don’t recall JR or TC ever saying they thought Hixon or Cruz were better than SS.
"I’m not trying to be like Peyton; I’m trying to do it the way I know how." -Eli Manning
by BleedBigBlue on Sep 14, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair point
If Cruz and Hixon are as good as the Giants think, they they shouldn’t need to sign Stokley.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
the idea is most likely Stokley will play
instead of just suit up and waste an active spot just to spite the Giants.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Or the Giants think having multiple mediocre #3 type WR's will equal 1 great one.
I dunno, it’s a head scratcher for me at this point.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
Smith playing yet?
Running around doesn’t mean much
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
I like Devin thomas for the slot
Isn’t stokely old? I think the Giants are tired of Cruz, Hixon and are concerned about Nicks.
Don’t see beckum or barden coming in soon.
Stokely
typifies the difference between the Mannings…..Peyton can take unknown, unproven receivers and develop trust and chemistry and they seem to flourish….one guy goes down and the next one steps in without missing a beat
Didn't Eli do that with the WRs in 2009?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
to an extent
he had chemistry with Burress and Smith……Peyton can take an unknown or a player with marginal talent and have him performing like an all pro
by Cruz Control on Sep 14, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
fair point
Austin Collie and Piere Garcon were late round guys but that doesn’t mean they are. But before that, its not like Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison and Dallas Clark were practice squad guys… all three were 1st round picks.
M point is Eli in 09 had great chemistry with a rookie and a 2nd year player. Plus he made another into a Pro Bowler
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
disregard *but that doesn’t mean they are*
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom Brady also has that ability
If he has higher schoolers for receivers and running backs, they’d still have a top 5 offense.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I agree here. He does black magik
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And Manningham?
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is a response to me, I mentioned Ham
and a 2nd year player
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed it. Sorry.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
no biggie
I didn’t use names just to show how young and inexpericened they were
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, ya threw me off.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ham and Cheese on a bagel.
Or Mozzarella pizza dippers for lunch tomorrow.
Your advice?
BBV> facebook
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 14, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Dippers all the way.
But not too many,we need you in the slot,kid!
Tuck,JPP,Osi,Kiwi,Canty,Anvil,Tolly all will be in rare form and be getting opponents down to their 3rd QB's.
Killdrive,Tom Quinn,and the QB coach Eli is developing(WTF!)must all go even if we win it all!
We start fast,we finish like shiz.
Start like shiz,finish like barbarians!
by Shaunthegiant on Sep 14, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Always Ham and Cheese, always.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they are done waiting for someone to emerge
Stokley is a slot receiver . that is all we need just someone who can run a simple route catch the ball and fall over
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Yep
he is heady, and will run routes properly. I still can see him leaving Sehorn in the dust in
“That” Super Bowl, ugh!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Sep 14, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I didn't either!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
by Great Gatsby on Sep 14, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh
all the beer in the world can’t destroy that memory
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like they worked out
Houshmandzadeh too but took Stokley…. Housh has sure fell off since his days in CINN
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't make sense
has an awesome year in 08, gets injured and falls off drastically in 09, does little in ‘10… I mean it’s not like Carson Palmer is that good
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
he kind of was that good
Housh’s career took the turn that every big name FA WR that goes to Seattle takes. Unless their old team takes them back like Deion Branch
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Sep 14, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Seattle gave him the huge contract in 2009
to be the number 1 guy, when his role in CINN was great was a number 2 guy
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Carson Palmer was a top 5 QB until someone wrecked his knee in the playoffs.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That was in 05
Housh had better seasons in 06 and 07, after Palmer was hurt
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
With guys like Osi and Prince
They are running out of letters so had to sign Stokely instead
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
Maybe housh wanted more money
Maybe stokely has something left in his tank!
I forgot
Stokely had a real good playoff game for the Seahawks against the Saints last year. Maybe he does have season left in him
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
dang I come back and find out we signed Brandon Stokley.
Unsure how I feel about this….
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
He's definitely an upgrade over Cruz
and it allows Hixon to focus on special teams
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
but what if Nicks don't play
Hixon may still need to be on the field in 3 WR sets
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they've already said Hixon would step into that role
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely more proven, that's for sure. 2-3 years ago this would've been a slam dunk
Dunno how he is athletically though. Will he be able to get enough separation and run routes as crisply as needed? All questions I have, though I take his football IQ all day every day over Cruz.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli did say the team lost brain power
with no Smith or Boss
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Another one I forgot.
Youz be edumacating me tonight.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
he gotta be an upgrade over JJ12
at least he can catch
Haven't seen JJ at WR.
Don’t know that, your grasping for straws.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
VERY limited action,
and he was solid at WR.
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Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT??!?!
He caught 2 passes outta 5 . This is defintion of solid? I know you guys are all over this guy’s **** but really.
2 catches for 32 yards, he's explosive.
And no drops.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
JJ as a WR in preseason
made some plays…. he dropped balls as a PR
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
join the club
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
TEAM AMBIVALENT
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
we need new Sigs now, lol
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
haha...its pretty much the mood of BBV anyways
ambivalent….and angry.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Team OUT FOR BLOOD
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Will the giants cut a receiver?
Cruz, barden, beckum?
Bardan is PUP
not on the active team.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Trattau to PS
Hopefully Cruz doesn’t play now though. Would like to see Devin Thomas get a fair shot at the #3 WR. Hixon seems more of a straight line guy at this point, Thomas is much better at cutting and more explosive. And Cruz is unreliable, to put it mildly.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait... no one said it yet
We signed Stokley!!! Take that Philly!!!
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
BOOM
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 14, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Geez ... he's gotta be way old.
Last time I saw him, he was streaking past Sehorn for a TD in that Superblow that never happened.
35
but in his defense, he had a real good playoff game for the Seahawks against the Saints last year
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think could have had a good game against the Saints in that playoff game
Did they even bother to show up?
No disrepsect to Mr. Stokley however.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
do we need 100 yards rushing from one of our running backs
why did we sign a wide receiver, did we need one?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 14, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't run on every down
need to throw especailly on 3rd and longs. Stokley is a possession WR, move the chains guy. Giants don’t have that guy with the other WRs
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No he was a healthy scratch
by Gregjonesformvp on Sep 14, 2011 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like the Stokley signing at all
What was the point of drafting Jernigan in the 3rd round? He said that when he was drafted the Giants told him it was to play the slot. They haven’t even tried him there yet.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
thats what I'm questioning
Coughlin hates rookies I guess
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Eli right now can really use a veteran presence like Stokley. Someone who can run precise routs, and who he can rely on in the slot. Jer will eventually get his shot, but Stokley is only going to help their offense…
Cruz had one drop
Cruz made the right read and ran the route precisely. He just dropped the ball. That isn’t enough to need to sign Stokley.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
He did what alot of receivers sometimes do.
He started to turn upfield (turning his head too early) before he secured the ball.
I know, I know, we don’t see him in practice, meeting rooms, etc. etc.
If I am being negative please, don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.
he might be the
sacrificial lamb for the team. He is already injury prone, if Eli hangs him out to dry too often he wont last too long.
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Question
Besides Boss.. how many WRs, TEs or RBs has Eli hung out to dry and as a result have gotton injured since 2004?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ze...ro
Team Greg Jones
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
but I'm confused
it sounds like Eli throws high to every receiver he’s ever had since he’s been in the NFL, shouldn’t they all have concussion issues now?
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
logic, mate...stop using it.
Team Greg Jones
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, my bad
Giants will finish 2-6 in the NFC East… that sounds better
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicks in the preseason game
but Nicks shook it off.
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well he didn't get hurt
and Nicks seems to be Mr. Injury but not as a result of Eli
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
lol not really
Meaning to come across as an Eli hater. I read a profile that he is often hurt because of his willingness to go catch balls over the middle. That was it :p
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
by TheWenz on Sep 14, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
ok fair point
Stoks has been hurt alot. Just a pet peeve of mine is the statement “Eli keeps getting his WRs killed with his high throws” when Boss is the only one who has been injured as a result.
(sidenote.. one of those hits he got was a illegal hit in 09 from.. you guessed it Antrel Rolle).
Every other critizism of Eli is fair, but not that one
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL He runs the wrong route once and it leads to Eli getting picked
Eli’s thoughts: “Thanks arseface, now the haters gon’ keep hating. Let’s see you run the wrong route when you’re concussed!”
Team Greg Jones
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I nominate this for the comedy thread
Tom Coughlin in his press conference after behing hired on Jan. 7, 2004
“We must win the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. We must run the ball and we must be able to defend the run. The year off that I have experienced allowed me to make many observations, one of which is – more games are lost in this league than are won. We must eliminate turnovers. You are not going to beat anybody with a minus-16 (turnover ratio). That stat has to radically change. We must eliminate costly penalties. You can’t shoot yourself in the foot and expect to win the hundred meter dash. Special teams and winning the battle of field position must become our catalyst for victory and not our Achilles’ heel.”
“I am also aware of the injury factor; the number of IRs and those kinds of things, which is a cancer let’s face it. It is something that has to be corrected. It is a mental thing I believe as much as it is anything else.”
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
by GhostDini on Sep 14, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
so sad
literally everything he preached against has happened…. even the “shoot yourself in the foot” part.
Rec’d cause its the sad truth
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
When I criticize Coughlin for not taking care of these things
other Giants fans criticize me. Apparently, Coughlin feels these things are important too. Well, he did.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
I still don't believe that
the locker room has tuned him out, but some things have passed him by. Like the coaches he keeps around him, too damn loyal to them.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What'd I Miss?
Didn’t see anything in there about him benching Gilbride or our horrible special teams coach.
The good news if we have a bad season is...
No more killdrive or quinn…a high draft choice.
I like coughlin and reese, but i think a 6-10 year gets the whole gang canned.
However, i am still thinking positive, that the Skins loss will shake up the team in a good way.
agreed
But JR will get the chance to hire a coach, Couglin was not his guy. But then again, his “we will make the playofffs” comment looks really bad if things continue to go south
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 14, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They love both of them.
If the Giants have winless seasons for the next 5 years Gillbride will probably be a leading HC candidate if TC retires.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
And
then I’d nominate you to replace Pat Hanlon as the Giants PR guy.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
''It is a tremendous challenge, and I am looking forward to working with these players and re-establishing the New York Giants' tradition of physically controlling the line of scrimmage. 'We want to win the battle at the line of scrimmage, eliminate the disease of turnovers and control field position of special teams.'' -- Tom Coughlin after being hired by NYG on Jan. 7, 2004
by GhostDini on Sep 14, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 14, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Only option
Is Gruden. Cower wants full personel control, so the giants won’t hire him. Gruden is the best thing out there and he is gonna $$$$$$$
by dondookie98 on Sep 14, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no confidence in Gruden
Whatsoever.
BBV> facebook
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
Tuck,JPP,Osi,Kiwi,Canty,Anvil,Tolly all will be in rare form and be getting opponents down to their 3rd QB's.
Killdrive,Tom Quinn,and the QB coach Eli is developing(WTF!)must all go even if we win it all!
We start fast,we finish like shiz.
Start like shiz,finish like barbarians!
Reliable slot WR
runs precise routes. He’s the type of guy that can go over the middle and help a QB out on 3rd down.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
and probably cheap
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 15, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
is he better than the other available ones out there
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 15, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
for a slot receiver
most likely. unless we want to bring TO to the team
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
for an added bonus,someone JJ can pick up some tricks from.
Smart and proffessional WR…what do you guys think,straight up dump Cruz or PS him or Trattou?
Tuck,JPP,Osi,Kiwi,Canty,Anvil,Tolly all will be in rare form and be getting opponents down to their 3rd QB's.
Killdrive,Tom Quinn,and the QB coach Eli is developing(WTF!)must all go even if we win it all!
We start fast,we finish like shiz.
Start like shiz,finish like barbarians!
I'd say Trattou is goign back to the PS.
They won’t cut Cruz, or PS him, but he may not being seeing the field for a while.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 15, 2011 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
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