Biggest Concern After Week 1? Poor Pass Coverage
by Ed Valentine on Sep 12, 2011 2:25 PM EDT
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I have had ample time now to digest what happened in Sunday's 28-14 loss to the Washington Redskins, and there is one thing that concerns me more than anything else going forward. The 305 yards passing the Giants surrerendered to Rex Grossman, largely because -- truth be told -- Grossman is one of the least accomplished quarterbacks the Giants will face this season.
After watching Redskins receivers run free pretty much the entire game I have one question. How on earth are the Giants going to cover anybody this season?
Forget arguing over which DBs deserved 'Wet Willies.' I gave the WW to Corey Webster, but I probably could have -- and should have -- given it to the pass coverage of the entire secondary.
Webster spent his day getting turned every which way by Washington receivers, and mostly getting torched. Ross wasn't any better. He looked terrible on the second-quarter touchdown pass to Anthony Armstrong, completely failing to recognize the fade and locate the football. Antrel Rolle played the run well, but there is a reason why the Arizona Cardinals moved him from corner to safety. He struggles in one-one coverage. Kenny Phillips? Lots of tackles, but he looked slow in a lot of coverages. There was one deep ball Armstrong could not control where KP was several steps behind Armstong and replay clearly showed KP jogging after the receiver until the ball was in the air. The least you can do is hustle!
Clearly, the Giants miss Terrell Thomas and Prince Amukamara. Shoot, they miss Brian Witherspoon and Bruce Johnson, too. At least having those guys would keep Rolle out of the slot and back at safety where he is best suited.
Amukamara will return at some point, but he had one whole practice before getting hurt. When, and how much, can he actually be expected to help?
Justin Tuck better be able to play next week. And the Giants need Osi Umenyiora healthy -- and with his head screwed on right -- as soon as possible. It looks like the Giants have only one real hope against the pass at this point -- send as many blitzers as possible and pray that they get there on time. If Week 1 is any indication, once the ball is in the air not a lot of good things are going to happen for the Giants defense.
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Watching this game
That’s exactly what I was thinking. We clearly missed Tuck and Osi on the line, but the definite problem was our DB’s didn’t do anything to help us win that game. Webster has been depressing ever since he signed that extension, and Aaron Ross looked worthless last night. Phillips didn’t look great yesterday either. As you said, wet willies to the entire secondary.
It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.
by thenightstallion on Sep 12, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
Bad thing is
I don’t think the injuries are to blame…its Coach Fewell’s defense…like u said, if we don’t sack the qb then the pass will be completed, that’s un-acceptable
Seems to me there’s a glitch in our coverage and coaching is to blame…doubt if TT would have made an incredible difference, I’ve seen him in chase mode plenty of times when he was healthy
by 18-1 on Sep 12, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Agree as well
+1
As much as I have liked Fewell in the past, he occasionally comes up with defensive schemes that leave me scratching my head. This game was a very good example.
Last years game against Philly.
PF rushed 3 with that large cushion for the CB and we got the same results
What bothers me
Is there is really very little press at the line of scrimmage. Webster, Ross, Thomas were all drafted as press guys. And the Giants don’t press. They just let guys run free, which is a recipe for disaster in today’s NFL.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 12, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying.
Our defense would be heads and shoulders better if we were able to knock them off their routes for a few seconds while our pass rush hits them
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been crying over it all morning
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
same
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Moss
The fact that they made no adjustment to Moss once he started getting thrown to has to lay on the coaching staff.
Mid-game adjustments are not a strength for Fewell.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Aikman talked about it regarding Fred Davis
The Giants let him get a free release and he killed them every time.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Only rushed 3 linemen
There were times when DC only rushed three linemen and gave Grossman way too much time to throw against our secondary. When DC dialed up the blitz there was pressure, sack and a fumble. DC needs to get after the quarterback like in the SB season, because our secondary stinks. acasue .
by GiantFaninColorado on Sep 12, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
every DC rushes 3 at some point
but its how you rush 3. The Giants appeared content to bail out on any deception and let the offense know that 3 guys are rushing. It would be nice to have 8 or 9 in the box and then everyone drops back.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Well said. Rec’d
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
It is an insult to the term 'poor'....
…to use it to describe what the Giants’ pass coverage was yesterday.
I beg to differ
My concern priority starts and end with us. Let’s control the things that we can control, and that is running the Football. We are built to be this machine of a power football team and then we turn away from running for no apparent reason. I know that Eli can make the throws. I know also that he isn’t comfortable right now. One thing that can alleviate a lot of concerns on both sides of the ball is eating the clock. Running the ball accomplishes all of these things. If we are concerned about keeping the stable fresh, then give the Rook a few carries here and there… DJ Ware also.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 12, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
damn
beat me to it. Altho I think DJ Ware should stop getting carries or screen passes.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
I think he should get some if options 1 and 2 are gassed although i really want to see Scott back there
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 12, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If BJ and AB are both gassed they should be ahead by 28
Then they can give Boothe carries
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
who is boothe on our team? i didnt see him on roster
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Guard
"That's mostly fans who say that kind of stuff and they really don't understand the process. We have good players on the team. We're not looking to go out and make every sexy splash that can be made. We make solid football decisions. That's been happening for a long time," Reese said
you dont know Boothe???
You kidding me……unless you joined the site last week.
Please read the Giants roster once please I see you keep asking this
who is who plenty of times…..step up dude
he isnt listed on yahoo roster which i was using
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
take it easy on him…
he asked a question.. wow… someone’s cranky..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
"i didn't see him on the roster"
see him on the roster??
wait until you see his fat ass jiggling down the field
Boy, are you in for a treat!!!!
by NY17NE14 on Sep 12, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
thanks!
We’reOnlyGonnaScore17Points?
just seemed a little too long a username
though it did come in a very close 2nd!!! :-)
lol
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 12, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My biggest concern
Are KG & TC really committed to the run game & getting BJ more carries. We were within 1 TD for most of the 2nd half and immediately abandoned the run & BJ. If we continue to pound the rock, I think we have a better shot at winning the game. Especially with the way the Seagull defense looked against STL, I think the running game is the most important thing we need to work.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
B/C BJ runs to upright
and is actually not as good around short yardage. Thats why Bradshaw got the handoff at the goalline. My real issue with that 4th & 1 is why is The Hynocerous lined up at TE & motioned over. You just gave away exactly where the ball was going & you gave The Hynocerous no time to identify a defender to block.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
And I will take him at his word, for now.
Hopefully they will look at the tape and think where was BJ?
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 12, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Our O-line sucks, too
Beatty and Deihl sucked on Sunday. Baas was at least mediocre. We’ve got problem, people, and I’m sick of all the denial that’s been going on a BBV.
Agree with Diehl
Didn’t see Beatty as sucking. He did a decent job considering he was lined up on Orakpo. A couple of plays he was beaten on, but otherwise was fine.
Diehl Sucked!
Team JPP
"When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know."
Diehl has nothing left
He shouldn’t be on the team next year.
Questions are a burden to others. Answers a prison to oneself.
by Arthur Curtis on Sep 12, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Factor in we are 1 wr injury away from having no passing game. We can rush the passer but instead of press coverage with help over the top we sag back 10 yards. Even with a free run at the qb our DE’s might be hard pressed to get there before the ball is out. I don’t get the lax coverage. That said we are a int td and a spear away from only giving up 14 points.
by Madhops on Sep 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
the worst O-line performance
seemed to be Deihl, followed closely in my opinion by Mackenzie. Dude looked bad. All sorts of pressure from that side.
You down wit JPP?
Beatty sucking
is an absolutely incorrect statement. I would have liked to see better run blocking, but that was true from the whole line. Go back and look at every sack however, Beatty’s man is nowhere near the play on each one. His pass blocking ranged from okay to excellent, but nowhere near “sucks”.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You must not have seen the same game I did
I watched game again on NFL.com rewind. Beatty was beaten badly many times. They may or may not have been on plays where there was actually a sack, but he let all kinds of pressure get to Manning, which even if he doesn’t get sacked, is going to negatively impact his throwing and the Giants whole offense.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 13, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Over the Middle
Chronic problem that never gets fixed, year after year. You do have to wonder if it’s the scheme – any layman can see these plays coming a mile away. Fred Davis looked like a monster.
maybe its cuz they don't practice over the middle throws?
I don’t think there’s a single play in the Giants repertoire that has Eli throwing over the middle to anyone. And even if a route crosses the middle they have to wait until the guy gets to the other hash marks to throw it
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Well in practice
They practice for the other team’s throws not our own……..hence the whole prac squad thing….. and thats just an excuse that we dont practice over the middle balls lol…… Ridiculous.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
do I have to...
first team practices against first team. Its called practice. The scout team does their thing, the first team does theirs. The first team, the NFL players, obviously have nothing planned over the middle. So how could the defense be prepared to stop that when they don’t see any of that in practice.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hmmmmm
cause any defensive secondary player with a heart beat has had to play over the middle since highschool dude, stop making excuses, you honestly think Deon Gran….KP….Rolle, Sash and whoever cant play across the middle?? or dont practice for balls across the middle?? ………. They can, they just have to get it done, im not gonna sit here and say 3 first rounders and a second rounder cant play balls over the middle, i find that to be obsurd.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
individually I'm sure the first rounder (like what round you're picked in matters...)
can do it. As a team, that’s where practicing matters.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yes the round your picked in typically shows your football aptitiude
especially as a secondary player, CB’s dont go as high picks typically unless they are well rounded. Practice is important but covering over the middle is not as foreign to these players as you think.
Not to mention how much practice do you need when your getting drummed over the middle every few games for years now….maybe the players should smarten up. They know how to play the middle they are just making the most basic of mental mistakes. No excuses from me, they have the ability now they just have to get it done.
If you got to baby a high round pick on over the middle coverage, then he should be cut.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
44... gotta disagree
Are you actually saying that the Giants 1st string D does not practice against plays that they are likely to see in the game from their opponent that coming Sunday?!? If that’s the case, every Giants coach should be fired immediately. Maybe you just meant it doesn’t seem like they practice for the other teams plays…? Just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
by NYStateofMind on Sep 13, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I Mean
on D. Being able to defend a freakin’ TE catching a ball over the middle would be nice once in awhile.
On O, agreed. But Eli has trouble with tipped passes, he’d have to throw over a wall of humans. Maybe 6’6 Barden will help over the middle when he comes back.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli's tall its not like he's Sanchez or Brees or anything like that.
he’s done it before too, and he does it well. Tipped balls happen everywhere, so I’d really hope they’re not avoiding the middle of the field cuz of that. Maybe its the Steve Smith effect, I dunno..guys can’t get open. It would be nice to see them set a natural pick once a year tho.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Watching Witten
run freely like a gazelle last night against the Jets – after watching what Fred Davis did to the Giants earlier – was a LIT-tle scary.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I orignially hated the idea of playing the Porks so late in the schedule
but now looking at it, I’d much rather it be that way. Early in the season they seem way too confident. Let the losses mount up a little.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Tyron Smith
should be up to about 275 by then.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That begs the question..
Why don’t we ever throw over the middle?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Boss
got hung out to dry over the middle a few times last year. About all I can remember.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith would make those 5-8 yard slant catches over the middle a lot too.
Especially for 1st downs.. I miss those..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
This game felt like the Indianapolis game last year.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
ha
see atleast we got that outta the way a week earlier.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
exactly what I'm sayin'
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Altho
that might mean that our play next week will be like last year’s Titan game next week. & that is not a good thing
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
Best way to describe my feelings with it.
Although we were in this one with a possibility of winning for far longer than the Indy one last year.
Same head scratching though, regarding the defensive scheme.
It did but
We gave this game away and did not get blown out. First it looks like Barry tipped off Kerrigan and the Skins D as to what was coming that led to the pick 6 (man are we predictable) Second we take a dumb penalty and give the Skins an extra set of downs. Third we can’t take advantage of a Gross man Turnover deep in skins territory.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe because we're facing a division rival
but absolutely not. That was much worst
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The zone coverage made me throw up in mouth, swallow it, then throw up again
A told B and B told C, "I'll meet you at the top of the coconut tree."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 12, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
oh well time to move on,
One thing I have learned over the years is your never as bad as the loss or as good as the win. Skins beat us hat’s off to them now it’s time to get ready for the Rams.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
Oh man that woulda
been a ballin interception
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
"replay clearly showed KP jogging after the receiver until the ball was in the air. The least you can do is hustle!"
The problem there is he is playing for the hit instead of the pass….KP couldve picked off at least two passes but instead he waits and wants to give a big hit.
Antrel is the only one who hussles in that secondary, THE ONLY one….. even though he makes bonehead mistakes, dude gives it his all, i cant say that for Webby and KP…….AR just had a bad outing, he was hustling but he played poorly in the begning.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'm not a big KP fan but...
…that’s kind of what a free safety in a zone does. He’s supposed to assess who might come into his area and be in position to make a play on the ball if it does. If the ball goes anywhere else he’s got to get there to save a score if the receiver breaks a tackle.
So to me the criticism should be that it’s a mental issue as opposed to an effort one. He’s either not correctly anticipating where the ball might go or not putting himself in the right position to make the play.
Of course the QB knows where KP is and is trying to throw it where he can’t make a play. That’s football, basically. Maybe he needs to learn to bait QBs by cheating one way, then jumping the other just before the ball comes out.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
I have another concern
Injuries – You never want to make excuses but we can ill afford to have many more injuries.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
I almost soiled myself when Nicks came up shaking his hand after diving for a ball that was clearly gonna be out of bounds.
A told B and B told C, "I'll meet you at the top of the coconut tree."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 12, 2011 3:00 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Hush yo mouth! Don’t even say those words
A told B and B told C, "I'll meet you at the top of the coconut tree."
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 12, 2011 3:14 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I guess the good thing on Fewell is that game to game he seems to make adjustments
so next week they probably will be fine. Also if you have Tuck playing instead of Tollefson, a lot of times someone like Fred Davis has to be held in to block, or they go with two TEs instead of a slot WR like Gaffney, who tore them a new one too.
Tuck is their most important player and he just forces the other team to make many adjustments. Not having him there just makes the Giants D OK at best. He’s that important.
I still hate zone coverage no matter who’s injured.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Game-to-Game
He does adjust – but in-game, not too much.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yea in game its like he just has the IHOP menu and orders from the favorites
I love when our team blitzes but it seems Fewell either doesn’t call it enough (yesterday and GB game) or way too much (2nd Eagles game).
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Those are some high draft picks
In Ross and Phillips, who looked completely helpless. Couple that fact with Resse’s grand summer plan and things are not looking good from a front-office POV.
so in short...
this Giants Defense is a concern.
s/o to Perry “ADHD” Fewell.
I really hope he gets that HC job he’s been campaigning for.
TeamJPP
he's got time to get it right
but since football there’s not many games, he’s in the same boat as Joe Girardi is for me with the Yanks. Just like I’m tired of Aaron Laffey pitching in the bottom of the 9th, I’m tired of the friggin zone when we have great press cover guys. Web and Ross should be up in peoples grill like Williams and Shields/Woodson in GB for chrissakes.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Not That Much Time, Tho'
with that brutal second half of the schedule looming. We need to have a good record before flying into that propellor.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
eh...
three games, the Pats, Packers and Saints are the only ones I’m really questioning at this point. I don’t see any of the others as the Giants being an underdog. Division games, anything can happen so those are just evenly matched.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Jets, Too
will be a tough game. It’s not so much the opponents on a game basis, but the cumulative effect of playing bruising games week after week; it’s going to be hard to go on any kind of a run. Not impossible, but I’d think we’d want to be our usual 6-2 at the halfway point and hope to split the rest.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But the thing is
Willams/ Shields/ Woodson can also play off coverage beautifully. I agree Perry needs to bring them down and play bump but i dont think he trust his safeties enough to do that.
Maybe if they played Antrel traditionally then things would change but i think there should be alot more bump as well. I dont see how it would change the effort put forth from Webby but i would sure like to see them up in some faces more.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
well for the record
C. Woodson is one of the smartest CBs in football.
probably why Shields took to playing CB like a duck to water in GB.
Williams IMO is a top 5 CB in Football.
but more importantly…they’re is a difference playing “press” and “off coverage”…and flat out “zone”.
and yesterday a lot of it was just flat out zone.
TeamJPP
True
I saw Kiwi drop into zone coverage too much for my liking.
The secondary should just be ashamed of them selves in the second half…….even though i will say this, as bad as they played we didnt lose this game because of the defense at all, 7 points in the 3rd and 7 in the fourth aint bad at all. That offense was no bueno.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
for what it's worth
and I haven’t watched the replay
but garafolo is giving him big kudos (Kiwi) for his play yesterday.
TeamJPP
Totally
He did well but he was needed on the Line……KIWI will never ever play “BAD” he is a awesome player but he was better served rushing yesterday IMO…..we have Herzlich, and Williams, we couldve made up for Kiwi not being at LB.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I miss the press...
I like Fewell’s scheme at the defensive line..I thought we did get decent pressure, but behind it, in the secondary, I hate it.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Sep 12, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be OK if they were playing some off coverage too, but the Giants aren't doing that
they’re playing zone. Off coverage AND zone. The hell is that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
LOL
Thats like saying here you go…..no wait let us escort you into the endzone lol.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
It reminds me when I the quote at the beginning of last year was
that the Giants were going to have a d based on ‘bend don’t break’. I don’t like bend or break!
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Sep 12, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We must be flexible by this point..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
piss poor game plan
Its a defense solely built around getting to the QB! As evidence – when the D line fails to hurry the passer the db’s are left scratching their heads and are lost! I don’t think there is any confidence in the athleticism or talent of db’s to cover with these wr’s for any length of time.
by leviathen2003 on Sep 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
thats usually a pretty damn good gameplane
except when the best de in the game gets ruled out the day before the game.
With JPP and tuck, it works fine. Even better with osi.
Sure its a good game plan
when the players are there to execute – if everybody is hurt and out – time to change game plan which they failed to do
by leviathen2003 on Sep 12, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
but tuck was expected to play
there was no time to change it
well by that standard
what if tuck and osi go down in a game – do we just throw in the towel or do we adjust and overcome
by leviathen2003 on Sep 12, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
NO
it’s bigger than just the CBs….
the Safeties and LBs still don’t know how to play this zone stuff either.
but it was refreshing to see KP “get there” yesterday on a couple plays.
TeamJPP
i mean we dont practice this in practice? whose fault is it that we dont know how to play zone
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas will not be back this year
Then he’s a free agent, he might not be a Giant next year
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think JR learned his lesson
Him and Goff BETTER be back
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
we must keep terrell thomas, i dont trust webster and ross
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
bye!
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
terrell thomas wont be back? why would we let him go?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he will be back
but being a free agent, you never know
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
same reason they let smith walk
coming off knee surgery so hesitant about offering the money some other team might
by leviathen2003 on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest i dont even know what the hesitation was
I mean frankly its 2011 not 1990 when medicine was hit or miss…..now a days most players come back from their injuries just fine, modern medicine should really lessen the fears of JR……he just ends up outsmarting himself.
and He disrespected Barry, Canty wouldve gotten the Axe before him and I like Chris.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Same reasons Smith isn’t wearing blue.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I have to disagree
although the coverage was certainly pathetic, I feel that the overall lack of heart is more troubling. It seems that from start to finish, this team has lacked fire this year. No pride, no intensity. The entire organization seems to have become complacent.
In the past I’ve been a fairly consistent defender of the coaches but this is entirely on them. There is plenty of talent on this team at every position. Of course we have strengths and weaknesses just like every team, but on Sunday, the winner is always the team that wanted it more. In 2007, we had a lot of the same types of injury issues and many of the same questions, but the difference is that that team played with a huge chip on their shoulders and had the drive and desire to succeed together. This year’s team hasn’t shown anything like that. It is on the coaches shoulders to get this team to focus and get fired up otherwise continued failure is unavoidable.
Totally agree.
Corey looked old and slow on a lot of plays.
Team Hixon
Team P.K Subban: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN3rZNnw68I&feature=channel_video_title
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 12, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
At least tony romo isn't our qb
Team Hixon
Team P.K Subban: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN3rZNnw68I&feature=channel_video_title
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 12, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
Need Press Coverage
… Sick and tired of CB’s playing 8-10 yds off receivers. Allows them to run their patterns w/o disruption. And why not play smashmouth on offense, esp when you have 1 really reliable receiver? Just dont get it.
Marfar
Giants played terrible zone D
might have been better off play man coverage with 2 deep safeties.
Didn't get to see the game
Stuck in Carolina coverage area but I will find it and download it soon enough.
From what I saw on highlights and stats, not only was the pass coverage poor but the offense was pathetic.
I can understand to an extent, the poor pass coverage. As many have posted before me, the pass rush wasn’t there, was barely attempted really and without that our coverage will ALWAYS look pathetic.
But the offense, that’s what I still can’t understand. It’s either we have sub par offense players… all of them, receivers, running backs, quarterback, etc… or we have a guy “running” the offense that is not cut out for the job.
I can’t figure out our offense in the last few years. We are incredibly predictable and boring and yet at the same time, seem to have confused all of our players.
If your going to run a simple predictable offense, the advantage is your players don’t make mistakes but everyone knows what you are going to do, so you must out execute your opponent.
If your going to run a complex offense, the advantage is your opponent doesn’t know what you will do next so they stay off-balance but you are more prone to dropped passes, poor routes, poor blocking, interceptions and fumbles.
Somehow, Killdrive has managed to get the worst of both.
Offence was fine until the second half started
OLine began failing, Eli began sucking, run game vanished. Kick in all those factors and the Giants got no points in the 2nd half
Run game not being used led to the line problems and Eli being hurried.
When the defense sees you stopped running, and aren’t going to run, they can pin their ears back and come after the quarterback. The way the Skins were coming after Eli in the second half, if they had run a shotgun draw play to Da’Rel Scott (yes, use him), he might have scored. Abandoning the run let the Skins come after Eli knowing they were goign to pass. It became predictable, good job Gillbride.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And that tends to be a coaching issue ...
which team make the better half time adjustments, and which doesn’t.
Once we are back to full strength on the D-Line, we should own the 4th Quarter due to depth and freshness of our guys at the point of attack … unless, of course we dial up the “prevent D”, which seemed all to much in evidence on 3rd and long situations yesterday.
Super agree with you friend.
But the offense, that’s what I still can’t understand. It’s either we have sub par offense players… all of them, receivers, running backs, quarterback, etc… or we have a guy "running" the offense that is not cut out for the job.
We have spoken about the mediocrity of our secondary D for the longest. It was only a matter of time before key players went down (Tuck, Osi, TT, etc,) and this flaw would be exposed. But the offense…these guys have got to be the most under-achieving in the NFL right now. Granted the offensive line is in development but withe the praise that our qb, coach get I expected a little more then the debacle that we witnessed yesterday. It just looked like more of the preseason that we’ve seen already.
Factology! Belief is ignorance.
by LoNJDTechnology on Sep 12, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll say it again
Fewell is running virtually the same read and react defense that Sheridan ran. I have never been a big Fewell and I had hoped that he would get a HC job this off-season.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
The only way that any zone D is gonna work on this team ...
is if it is accompanied by a blitzing, stunting, send lots and lots of pressure front 7. Could be through the roof INT’s (and yes, a few more big plays given up, too).
We do have the personnel to pull this off. Does PF have the will?
Big plays
What I don’t get is the extent of how open some of those plays were. It would be 3rd and 20 and we would have everyone playing 25 yards deep or something. Most of the big plays you could not even see a Giant on screen to tell who blew their coverage. Add in some questionable pass rush choices and I think I could have stood back there and made some of those throws.
Coughlin saying Nicks has a knee injury and "its being evaluated"
Doesn’t look like it should be a big deal though. Still somewhat concerning.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I haven't heard anything since this report last night
Wide receiver Hakeem Nicks underwent X-rays on both his knee and wrist and the news was good as the results were negative.
It is unclear how or when Nicks suffered the injuries. But he was feeling good enough to talk to reporters after the game.
Nicks said he landed "a little funny, a little bit, on that sideline" when asked about his wrist.
"Nothing serious," Nicks said.
When asked about his legs, Nicks replied, "Yeah, they’re good."
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 12, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't be anything. knocking on wood as we speak
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Although, I did just read this
Here we go again. Hakeem Nicks’ knee was swollen today and TC said he’s being “evaluated” right now.
Just get it drained, throw some tape on it and get out there already.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 12, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
X rays just mean no broken bones
doesnt mean anythig really, everytime an X ray is negative i just always think the other tests will be bad.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
I'm a firm believer in....
nothing get’s fixed until it get totally broken. We won’t replace a CB, LB or even a QB that is just showing he’s declining rather than getting better. It’s going to take a 2-14 season for a new coach, new staff and new players.
Over the Giants history whenever we’ve won a Superbowl, we’ve crashed and burned for years after that. It’s how we got Eli and the first place. I’d almost (heavy on the almost) rather see a flame out this year, so we can stop screwing around with, is Tom unable to reach players? Will Eli play like a top 20 QB? Let alone a top 10 QB. Will our secondary be called what it is…. overrated!
We keep limping around year after year until the tires blow out and then we correct because we have to. If we could only learn how teams like Pittsburgh, Pats and maybe even the Eagles (yuck) can rebuild on the fly.
The bell is tolling for many players on this team. We talk ourselves into believing this group can do this or that group can do this because we get familiar with all the names.
13-3 and 10-6
are limping around? I don’t recall we had a 10-6 record the year we got Eli. Please don’t let last night’s disappointment lead to overly melodramatic statements.
Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Except when he gets injured, decides to run crappy routes, and Romo throws the game deciding INT
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 12, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Healthy Nicks IS a top 5 Wr.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed,
but there is no mercy in this dojo. Also, no room for Bryant in the top 5. AJ, Megatron, White, Fitzgerald, Nicks.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I kno it's illegal to say this but if he lives up to the hype he can also be better than Nicks
Looks around, pinches self did they kill me yet?
Possibly.
If he can stay healthy/give a fuck/not be lazy/learn to run correct routes.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But will he ever.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
On ability yes....... but in reality NO
Doesn’t a guy have to remain healthy and productive over most of a full season to be valuable?
To me, the WORST guy to have is someone you count on, that you pay the big bucks to and they ARE NOT IN THERE when it counts.
The fact is, Nicks is always Nicked. Until he shows he can do it for a full season, I would not put him on a Top 5 receiver list. Its the same reason why I would say the Eagles are doomed with Mike Vick as their QB…. he will not be healthy, effective or playing for them when it matters most.
Gameplan needs to adjust
This was a problem over the last two years. it looks as if it will be a problem again this season, and it is my major gripe with this team since TC took over.
If the opposing Defense is getting all sorts of pressure on your QB, do you think it might be time to start using some quicker developing pass plays? If the opposing offense is passing the ball all over the place against your zone, do you think you might wanna press the receivers in a man to man for a while?
The very definition of insane is when you do the same thing over and over again and expect different results, and that unfortunately is how our coaches continue to play this game.
You down wit JPP?
Well said.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
We can blame the back end for what the Front end could not do..... but why?
Looking at the passes later in the game that weren’t caught… they were 3 yards short/wide.. Manningham could have easily had 3 catches for 1st downs in the 3rd quarter alone. Eli.. what’s happening with Eli?? No PLax.. boo hoo… No Shockey/Boss… com’on now….. Eli keeps saying the right things about his receiving core in interviews but man he does not show any confidence in these guys right now.
I don’t think the issues on D had anything to do with the front line… they didn’t play man on man enough with the secondary… it was sad to watch Gaffney get that td.. sad…
by Cruisin4aBruisin on Sep 12, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Yup 1 for 10 on third down means 2 things
Kevin Boss and Steve Smith
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
or
some good ol’ fashioned crappy play calling from Gilbride.
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes. - Abraham Lincoln
Gilbride was here last season and we weren’t that bad on third.
The difference is not having Smith, to be honest.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Sure is, dont let them tell you any different
We look the same as when SS went down. He maks the game so much easier for HAM and Nicks, its insane.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Agreed
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Well it was the same play calling when we had them so naw
Its the talent and executiion, its just not out there yet.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
You Kareem Mckenzie execution
the other 4 played well…Kerrigan dominated Mckenzie…… and alot of the pressure on Eli was his fault, he wasnt as cris wityh his protection calls, when we max protected we took advantage of them, as soon as we started to under estiamate them we got drummed.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
you mean*
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Doesnt need replacing
He just got drummed by Kerrigan…he should be fine…..his replacement is not ready just yet, not this year.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Can I point out
That Kareem McKenzie had the best season of his career last year..
That he graded out as the Giants best lineman.
So, he missed a cut block on Kerrigan, and lets cut him?
LOL exactly
Kareem is fine, he just ran into a buzz saw, he will get the best of the rook when they come to Met Life (Giants stadium)
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yea i expect that, it was Bass' first game against the BEEAST Cofield
which he held his own on for the first half…… Diehl was facing double pressure that Eli never changed the protection and left a back in for his own sake…..Diehl is human, he cannot block two people but Haslett kept doing the same things and we never adjusted.
Diehl was beaten a few times but he also won a few but those blitzes in the A gaps were toying with his mind and Eli’s.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
1 for 10 on 3rd down
means we didn’t do what we had to do on 1st and 2nd. Most of those were 3rd and Long. Which lead to the Skins pass rush
A few of them were 3rd and1
The 3rd and longs were due to horrible field position to begin with due to special teams and penalities.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM&feature=related
Yup…
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Ballard
looks like he is playing the Boss role quite well. Agreed on the 3rd WR, though…when Cruz dropped that ball, I kept thinking, “Smith would’ve had that.” But then I remembered how many dropped balls he had, too…
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Smith get in the game at all yesterday in St. Louis?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 12, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
He did play but I don’t think he made any catches.
by Midnight Blue on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking about this loss makes me sick...
But I hope the Gmen are feeling way worse than I do right now and come back next Sunday with the right mentality on the field.
For those who will be in the stands: please let the boo birds come out if the Giants keep playing like they did against the Redskins.
New York Giants French blog (with croissants and wine)
Now that its the afternoon
I still can’t decide what I think the biggest issue is. I guess pass coverage is as good as any… there were some pretty bad moments in there. It seems most everyone is in agreement that if there isn’t heavy pressure on the QB, the secondary is vounerable. That certainly seemed to be the case yesterday… I remember a bunch of times Grossman had guys running open and needed just a split second more. The pressure forced a bunch of bad throws… it could have been worse than 300 yards, it seemed. To Grossman’s credit, he did make some throws into very tight coverage (and they did make some great catches).
In the other thread I said Eli looked bad, but I’m not sure it was all really his fault. To some degree, you have to expect him to lead the offense and make things happen when the coaches put the ball in his hands (which rightly or wrongly, definitely was the case in the second half). On the other hand, he didn’t do anything dumb the whole game and its not like he was missing guys who were wide open. Have to expect the passing game will improve… I see no reason why it wouldn’t. I think a lot of it is just the fact that they put the game on Eli, and the offense just looked inept. Still, I’d rather him throw balls out of bounds than force throws into coverage, and its not fair to bitch about both things at once.
your mom goes to college
Good News. MG reporting that the Dream is fine
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
at worst a "bone bruise"
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, everybody breathe
Source concurs Nicks is fine. “Bone bruise at worst.” Hakeem Nicks back at the facility. Gave thumbs up + says he’s fine.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 12, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
oh thank god…
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
they said he was find yesterday
Garafolo loves that fear mongering stuff doesn’t he
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
You mean the media embellishes things to cater to their agenda in the hopes of maintaining relevance?
Weird.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Sep 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
secondary issues
Even when EVERYBODY is healthy, this group ALWAYS seems to be out of position. They are always chasing,leaving wide gaps between the linebackers and safetys.Just once I would LOVE to see a ball knocked down or dare I say intercepted!! Either these guys really stink or the coaching does,either way something is VERY wrong.
Blame Fewell and his Zone D...
Honestly, the whole coaching staff is more or less on my shit list (pardon the language Ed) after this game.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
the TT injury hurts
But he’s not exactly Revis. There is no way the Giants pass coverage should have been that bad. I was a fan of Fewell last season, but how about making some adjustments? The 2 deep zone obviously wasn’t working. It’s pathetic they made Rex Grossman look all world yesterday
maybe it's not fewell
gilbride makes no adjustments, fewell doesn’t either. it falls on the head coach
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
TT is a great blitzer and a great tackler
he’s also more of a ball hawk then Ross. I’m not sure what’s happened to Ross, but he’s obviously not the same dude anymore manybe he’s scared to get hurt.
Thomas was a weapon on defense. Sure he got torched from time to time when he was required to play on an island, but he was very good and allowed the defense to do a lot of things
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I agree, but it wasn’t just Ross that stunk yesterday. Webster was bad, Rolle was bad covering the pass, and KP was so so at best, and I might be giving him too much credit
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Safety?
Let’s say Kenny Phillips continues to be a step too slow, plays poorly. I could see TT being resigned and permanently moved to safety. I don’t see him being let go.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
who would replace thomas at cornerback?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
2011 season
Prince I would think
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 12, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
2012 I meant
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Sep 12, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldnt you rather have terrell and prince as our starting corners for future?
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Webster is better then TT.
It's OK we don't want anybody on the Giants bandwagon it's faster without all the dead weight!
by bleedblue12 on Sep 13, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Thomas is versatile;
His strength is as a nickelback, but he’s a solid number 2.
Ross may just be getting his sea legs, the secondary as a whole was bad. I don’t blame it on the personnel though, I don’t believe they were put in a position to succeed throughout most of the game.
Fewell really needs to show consistency in his scheme’s. He gets too cute, too often.
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Offense
I wonder how everyone is talking about the Defense and have completely forgiven the Offense.
Offense is literally pathetic.Just Defense cant win games.
Eli Manning accepted the game was on Offense not teh Defense so stop quitting on defense and think about the offense for a while.
The thing is, I just think if the OLine played better
offense would be perfectly fine. Defense had more to do with the coaches IMO and it seems like a reoccurring theme that’s why I’m more concerned with that
Of course he did
that’s what leaders do, they accept responsibility and don’t publicly call out other parts of the team.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll give one example
Eli went for dump to Hynoski instead of open Mario who was behind hynoski….I dnt know how Eli can miss these….later in 4th quater he kept missing open receivers…that is no we expect out of Eli….
Im no way putting this on Eli but the whole offense has to come back 2008 form.
It's OK
Eli probably didn’t expect Mario to be there on that play. One would think that by his 3rd year he would learn how to run the correct routes.
Maybe
the Giants should rely less on timing plays and ask Eli to actually read the field. Especially on longer developing plays, I get a little tired of hearing Eli excused because the receiver wasn’t where he was supposed to be.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 12, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because your tired of hearing it
doesn’t make it less true. If the receiver’s not where he’s supposed to be, Eli tends to force it, which leads to bad throws/TO’s. Sheesh, sometimes a guy can’t win.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
epic fail by Reese
Reese’s pieces wont cut it anymore. we picked up a second string guy and expected the world of him but he’s never going to be consistant nor is he going to provide any impact (positive that is) on this defense (williams)… We threw in a guy who’s a shell of his former self not to mention the guy can barely stay healthy(Ross)… we have another guy who is average at best and in my eyes prefers to knock the ball away as opposed to actually trying to intercept the ball and score or at least give it back to the offense… These corners need a huge smack upside their heads to get this defense back in order. The lbs are what they are unfortunately and that is going to be an up and down battle for years to come especially with Reese at the helm. I say make some trades/cuts and get some immediate help. stop playing contain/prevent defense that’s not going to help this team win or get this team back to the playoffs
After the chuckle I got from "Reese's pieces"...
I didn’t bother to read the rest.
Reese does not call the plays.
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Who?
Who do you bring in for “immediate help”? I can’t think of one player that they can sign or trade for – including Lance Briggs – that’s going to step in here and transform the defense immediately, or even over the course of the season. Who do you have in mind, Cougar?
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
a read and react corner
there are several read and react corners out there. Unfortunately we dont have any of those on this active roster. Fewell knows this and he has yet to adjust. The jury is still out on Prince because he has yet to really have any grasp of this defense… I would go for a Rashean mathis or Atari Bigby type player. Our corners ( aside from TT) are not physical enough on defense. We need to get physical corners that will jam the recievers at the line or throw of the timing of the routes.
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
We have good press corners...
the problem is we don’t use them in press!!!
It's OK we don't want anybody on the Giants bandwagon it's faster without all the dead weight!
lets say we do… then why is it that we always give up the big plays on pass defense? Fewell isn’t using the cbs to their capabilities… they are SOFT on coverage and our zone defense in the secondary always places us in uncomfortable situations. I say blitz the qb and go man to man in the secondary and use the press coverage… this zone coverage on passing downs has to go.
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting Warmer
I’d agree, the problem is more the scheme. Corey Webster was at his best in Spags’ D. Ross, who knows, is probably just a bum.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You answered your own question....
every time we blitzed and played man it worked. Fuel is just too stubborn in his ways and keeps trying to fit square pegs into a round hole! Every time we were in a good down and distance on D and he only rushed 3 and played a zone we were gashed. Yet Fuel continued to do it time and time again. I’m one of the very optimistic fans on this site but I must say I’m starting to lose patience with this coaching staff.
It's OK we don't want anybody on the Giants bandwagon it's faster without all the dead weight!
believe me I bleed blue… but with Kevin “notoobight” Gilbride on offense and Tom “cant buy a win” Quinn on ST our defense has to pick up the slack and right now the defense is playing the same soft coverage that cost us the playoffs
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Well than the coaching isn’t good enough.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Cleva, our corners are physical...
hence why they are best suited for press.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
Now we just have to hope Fewell get his head out his ass...
and use his CB’s strengths.
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Hard to Do
When your entire system is built around a certain kind of coverage scheme, and you’ve got the wrong kinds of players for it…
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The players were here before Fewell.
He needs to play to the players strengths. Our corners are good at bump and run, press man coverage. Play it. Stop being stubborn running your soft zone that has huge holes in it.
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Greg Jones
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hybrid
This defense is supposed to be a hybrid of a bunch of stuff. Maybe there are allowances in the system to be flexible, who knows? Systems are tricky, though – you change one element and it can have a ripple effect. Hopefully there are a couple of positive ripple effects possible in this case.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
It was painful to watch from the stands when I know whether or not the D will be successful based on where my CBs are standing.
It's OK we don't want anybody on the Giants bandwagon it's faster without all the dead weight!
and the worse part is… I’m in steelers country and you know how that can be…lol
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
what I’m saying is this read and react coverage is really hurting us in coverage….. you cant teach that. Its either you have it or not and none of our corners do
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
they’re not physical enough for this read and react defense I can tell you that. I love it when we play press this read and react keeps the other team in the game. it makes our defense SOFT
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the point is they ARE physical but the way they're playing defense
they’re not allowed to be physical.
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+100,000
Fewell wants our d to play fast but he wont let them be physical. He prefers to be cute with his play calling. When we are physical it’s hard to move the ball on us and when we are not we get games like yesterday
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Read and react
is not a scheme that needs the physicality of say, a press coverage. Above you say they are not physical enough for the R&R defense, then here you say Fewell won’t let them be physical. Which is it?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 13, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
What I don't understand is
When did the Giants become penny pinchers? BJ and Snee restructured their deals, amybe some others too. So why were they looking to only sign people that will accept the veteran minimum?
Because they have 4 or 5 starters that are FA after this season. Gotta pay them, so they are saving their money.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, But
leaving, say, 5M on the table for this year when you could use it up on 1-year, non-guaranteed contracts to fill roster holes doesn’t make sense. You can cut those guys as needed later.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Weird
They cleared a bunch of cap room, but have so far been timid about signing anybody. There is the “week 1” rule that veterans’ contracts are guaranteed if they’re signed during the first week – so I’m guessing that has to do with why no Kawika Mitchell, Donald Lee, etc. If they pass through this week, though, and make no real moves, it will seem stranger.
Joselio Hanson would’ve helped this past week, as would Lee. I’m not a throw money at problems guy, but I’d have thought they’d have made some moves.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanson resigned with the Eagles.
If they are saving money to be able to resign their own starters after this season, why would they spend it now on some middling, average veteran player. Makes no sense financially.
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Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I Know
But there’s no word that they even made an attempt at signing him. He seemed like a no-brainer to me and probably wouldn’t have cost that much.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Philly resigned him the day after they cut him.
It was more of a restructuring of his contract than flat out release.
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Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They released him with the understanding...
he’ll be resigned in short time. It took a few days because of some contract language!
It's OK we don't want anybody on the Giants bandwagon it's faster without all the dead weight!
Maybe So
Just don’t remember reading anything like that. It would be good to know that they had at least inquired about him, but it seemed like total silence on our end. Who knows?
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They're probably going to trade Osi next year
And make JPP the full time starter, so that should clear up another $3-4 mil
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The problems with the Giants won't go away until Coughlin goes away
he’s got enough talent to work with.I think Coughlin is very unimaginative game planner and I beleive his message for the most part is falling on deaf ears. The problems with this team are not for lack of talent, but execution of plays due, in my opinion, to bad coaching. I think when you are a rigid control freak like Coughlin, that only goes so far. He is stubborn to the point of stupidity with his predictable play calling on offense, and the defense breaks down at the end of games due to bad schemes. The Giants have a big time QB, a big time offense and defense, but execute poorly. That falls on Coughlin. I think that his stay here is up.
Coughlin calls plays?
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
by njsoldier1978 on Sep 12, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My true #1 Concern
Fair weather fans that only see the negatives and refuse to see any light. My favorite football team lost yesterday, but if 2-3 plays go differently who knows… Right now they are being competitive but came out on the wrong end of the win. Crap happens, we lost a six game winning streak to a team that looks to be on the rise. Granted they have a hot/cold QB that played hot yesterday, (he should have had a lot more yards if not for a few untimely drops by Gaffney.) If we can sure up our line communication and prevent one of our DT’s from defecting to our opponent next game, i am confident that we can come away with a W.
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that.
Had Rolle not got that dumb penalty
the Giants get the ball back with plenty of time left, down 7. Could have been a whole different game. That penalty deflated the defense, you could see it and feel it.
Team Cheese:
Mario Manningham
Mark Herzlich
Greg Jones
Devin Thomas
Ramses Barden
Jason Pierre-Paul
Travis Beckum
Da'Rel Scott
SASH
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 12, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
But the problem is since last season they have had a lot of those stupid undiscpilined penalties. I think they drive down the field and tie it up yesterday if Rolle didn’t get that penalty
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and IF...
McKenzie made the block on Kerrigan, and IF Tynes hits the FG to gain momentum after the fumble, and IF our special teams doesn’t pin us back because of penalties…too many IF’s.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Sep 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We only scored 14 points all game, and we failed to score when we got the ball on the Redskins 30. What makes you so sure we would score on that last drive?
Chances are we don’t. It’s all “IFs”. We should talk about those same “IFs” when we win as well.
I hate fair weather fans as well. I watch every game and love the team just as much as you guys. That doesn’t mean I have to blindly believe in everything my team does.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Fairweather fans?
is’nt this the same blog where everyone calls Gilbride “Killdrive” yet when there is a detractor of the Giants, the first response is " we consistently have a top ten offense" or the criticisms of Reese on this blog, or when some fan of another team says their receiving corp is better you all scream, “Nicks and Ham are BEASTS!” but when Eli is criticized for throwing 25 picks, the response is, 11 of the picks were the fault of the receivers. Come on man!
the messed up part is with these coordinators not adapting their scheems to that of the players its easier to have gripes… the sad part is this team has only scratched the surface of what they can do but the coaches have to put this team in a position to win by using the strengths of the players
by clevacougar19 on Sep 12, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. 25 picks.
Most are someones fault. If they are not Eli’s, they are the receivers. If not anyone on the field, than the coordinators.
Someone’s messing up.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
You guys see this Eric Berry injury
Stevie Johnson ends Eric Berry’s season
http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/berry.gif
Legal or not, it was a cheap shot.
Here’s how Johnson reacted when his teammate got cheapshotted by Rahim Moore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A3-LfFzHxM
This is also the guy who said God made him drop a pass.
Seriously, if I was a Chiefs fan I’d be beyond pissed.
Actually if I was a Chiefs fan I’d have given up on the NFL a long time ago.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
He's not trying to hurt him....
it’s a cut block, very common in the NFL. He just used very poor technique and someone got hurt because of it. Unfortunate play but not dirty IMHO.
It's OK we don't want anybody on the Giants bandwagon it's faster without all the dead weight!
It was a dirty hit
But it wasn’t intentional IMO. He got way too low and the outcome was unfortunate
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it seemed more of a perfect storm sort of thing
Stevie was going for the cut block, but Berry’s foot hit the ground and Stevie’s helmet hit Berry’s knee unintentionally.
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Por que?
I can see TT resigning and possibly moving to Safety, depending on how well KP plays this year. Osi will still have another year left, why just cut him?
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Osi's going to get traded
JPP looks like an absolute beast and he’s only getting better
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Triple-Teamed
Did you see how the Skins sometimes had 3 guys on JPP? Imagine what Tuck and Osi are going to open up for this kid when the whole gang is together?
I think the one chance the Giants have on defense this season is the “unfair advantage” that their D-line can give them. If this line is ramped up at its full potential, nobody is going to stop it, and the LBs and DBs will become less important.
Why trade Osi when he is a crucial part of giving you that unfair advantage?
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying they should trade Osi
I think they will though. I think they’ve had enough of him complaining every offseason. If they do, they should move Kiwi back to the D line, i’m not a fan of him at LB even though he’s there because of necessity
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
not gonna trade him
$ speaks volumes
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Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
osi complains every offseason?
wouldnt it be better to keep osi and have pierre paul as insurance or start over someone else
by jadedeed2327 on Sep 12, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear TT will get the Steve Smith treatment
Only they won’t have the lockout to use as an excuse.
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Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
i watched the whole game
and one thing that wasnt mentioned….
a – I think the D should get a little credit for being SO banged up but
on offense….
There is a HUGE HUGE drop off of talent after Nicks (a stud) and manningham.
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
Agreed
Eli rarely went to a different wr after Cruz dropped the 3rd down pass on the first drive.
by 56istherealLT on Sep 12, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting idea in regards to short yardage;
3rd and short, 4th and short….
AB is an ok pass catcher, and Hynoski has certainly shown he’s capable of snatching a ball out of the air.
Two pass catching options out of the back field, spread the D out…
Is anyone else up with my train of thought?
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Hynoski
is potentially a big deal if they decide to throw to him. A completely different element than we’ve had on offense.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet he went relatively unused in that aspect, aside from one play.
I understand in our offense, the FB’s role is block first, pass/run option second but, come on at least take a damn shot at it!
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RB out of the flat
yea right
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Or Hynoski could engage in a block...
then disengage and run a pass route?
It’s not rocket science, you should have more than one option. But, this is Gilbride we’re talking about.
The fact that BJ only got 6 carries is pure bullshit.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
Theories
Seems like on both offense and defense we’re trapped by the theories of the coordinators and how well those theories fit the real world.
Gilbride’s…I don’t know what you even call it…a “conservative variation of run ’n shoot”?…where you basically discard certain positions like TE or FB, may have been advanced several years ago, but people have caught on by now. Fewell’s “Tampa 2 hydra” thingamabob has strengths but also some pretty profound systematic flaws.
I’d rather just beat people up on both sides of the ball.
by Pink Flamingo on Sep 12, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That last sentence is simple, true, and poetic.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
I am so sorry
as much as I bleed blue blood for this team…I gotta feeling that if we win at least 5 games this year…we can consider our self’s lucky. I know it’s only week one but I sense the fact that there is just to much going on for this team to handle this season. Man I hope and pray they can adjust and turn this thing around but I don’t see them playing as one unit this season. One thing for sure is …that next season we will learn how to deal better with this injury bug and will be a force to reckon with when we finally have OTA’s and the young guys have a better feeling for the game.
Manning audibles " Omaha Omaha "
Very unhappy with the coordinators
As many have been saying…, play press coverage, run the ball, blitz occasionally or show some sort of creative formation on either side of the ball. Ridiculous. I don’t even want to take about this crap. People better get their shit together this week, players and coaches both. The effort was pitiful,
Yeah, concerned about the D! What about the O
We lose, and it’s the Defense’s fault! No concern over the offense at all!? It’ll help if Eli and Co. can stay on the field longer and getting some production going. It doesn’t help that our D has a lot of injuries and Eli giving away 6 points to the Redskins!
Yesterday was a odd day for football altogether
by Dehumanizing Sounds on Sep 12, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
It really was.
A part of me wants to chock up this Giants loss to the trend of ridiculous events that occured in the NFL yesterday lol.
You mean to tell me there isn't ONE photoshopped image of Optimus Prime with a New York Giants logo?? RIDICULOUS!!
Oh
And I want to say Jake Ballard looked decent, but I was way too drunk by halftime.
by Dehumanizing Sounds on Sep 12, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
this made me lol
your mom goes to college
by Oppenheimer919 on Sep 12, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the defense
is built around the pass rush. the Giants have the best DL in the league and just didn’t use it effectively yesterday. if the corners press and give the DL another second or two to rush the QB the defense works much better. i don’t care if they have 8 people drop into zone, if you give the QB too long to throw, some receiver will find a window in the zone. i really hope they can correct this for next game
as far as the offense, they couldn’t establish a consistent rhythm. Jacobs looked healthy and fresh, why wasn’t he used more? Nicks and Manningham should be used down the field a little more, they are a great combo and compliment each other. it’s only one game and i’m not going to go crazy over a loss, but there are some things that should be worked on
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan.
+1
The coverage schemes are based on pressure from the defensive front. No pressure, no coverage. It’s easy to correct when our top rushers get healthy. It would have made sense to put Kiwi back on the line as a pass rusher instead of a backer because our DB’s were getting abused.
It’s fixable, but it might be a long season…
by vaanesthesia on Sep 12, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And what the heck is the deal
with Baby bull only getting 6 attmps…NOW THAT’S bull !!! Did he have some kind of beef with TC ? Cause I saw DJ Ware in there at the end. Come on coach….3 and one …4 and one and your not giving it to BJ ?…..WTF!!!!!!
Manning audibles " Omaha Omaha "
Boly and JPP
were the only ones on Def that were playing the butts off..for a while I thought Boly was gonna take over the game.
Manning audibles " Omaha Omaha "
Looks like Jackson, Amendola, Bartell out Monday
Bradford should play
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Buddy Ryan was in town last night
I hope he punches Gilbride in the face for old times sake before leaving. Oh and don’t expect Fewell to get away from zone. It’s what he likes to run and we had the same complaint last yr about him not letting our corners play to their strengths.
by G-FANinFL on Sep 12, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Let's go to the videotape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPK3cDl7Ftw
I had totally forgotten about this.
I think Gilbride could take Buddy now, but Rex and Rob would F him up.
Blue is the color of melancholy and honesty
Green is the color of inexperience, envy and nausea.
Even as it happened live, right in front of
I know I’m not the only one who was screaming TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND PLAY THE DAMN BALL to Aaron Ross as he allowed that pathetic touchdown. It was a nice enough throw from Grossman, but it might have been one of the most easily defensible touchdown fade passes ever thrown. I could have swatted that shit down.
A wise man once said "never postpone to tomorrow what can be done the day after tomorrow. Except DFAing Mathis. Do that shit now, plz."
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 12, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
That was bad
If his head was turned the other way his helmet may have blocked the ball
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
You got your wish buddy congratulations...
We have every reason to panic…still a Giant fan but I gotta admit I’m bracing myself for one tough season
lmao!
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
lack of presure
I put this on fewell really. We knew we wouldn’t get much rushing 4 we need more. And more times then not when we did grossman wasn’t. That successful. Fewell almost was running a zone d that appearantly the redskins knew (cofield maybe) and found holes all day long. I’m not saying we could have had better play but I can’t put the entirely on rolle,kp,webster and ross
by hit_hard on Sep 12, 2011 7:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
no willie for eli
We need time to throw as a qb it helps. Eli didn’t get much time at all the second half
by hit_hard on Sep 12, 2011 7:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This is more pass rush than coverage..
But I thought Tollefson did a heck of a job. We have been a little spoiled the past few years and it was nice to see him get some play(and handle Jammal Brown nicely)
DWTDD
Can't ignore the linebackers
If you are going to play zone defense your linebackers need to protect the middle of the field. They did not do that. How many times was there a catch made over the middle and there wasn’t even a linebacker in the same zip code? Fred Davis had a field day. TEs lighting it up means LBs sucking it up. That failure of the linebackers to protect the middle hurts the secondary as well. Now the safeties have to worry too much about coming down to protect the middle and can’t get over top on the outside, which hurts the CBs who now don’t have the help over top they need if they are going to play their zone properly. Someone will come on here and tell me “but linebackers don’t matter in a 43 as long as you have DL and CBs”. Reality, defense is a unit and the weakness in one area infects the others.
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