New York Giants Training Camp: Position Battles Shaping Up
by Ed Valentine on Aug 9, 2011 11:17 AM EDT
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I am not going to try my hand a 53-man roster prediction just yet. But, with the New York Giants playing their first preseason game Saturday against Carolina I thought what I would do today is take a look at some of the primary position battles that will ultimately shape the roster that faces the Redskins in Washington on Sept. 11.
Running Back
We know Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs will be the one-two punch, of course. Question is, who will be the third back? DJ Ware is the third back, but as much as the Giants have talked about his potential the gut feeling here is that Ware will have a tough time holding the job without some excellent work in the preseason games. Andre Brown, back with the Giants after a year-long NFL odyssey, has been drawing raves. Seventh-round pick Da'Rel Scott has speed that is tough to ignore. Charles Scott has impresses with some shifty footwork. That's four players probably fighting for one spot. Right now, no clue who emerges.
As for fullback, it will be a monumental upset at this point if rookie undrafted free agent Henry Hynoski does not make the team.
Wide Receiver
I wrote the other day about the fight for the No. 3 spot behind Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham. The Giants have 12 wide receivers in camp, and generally would keep no more than six. Of those 12, you would have to think Samuel Giguere and Todd Watkins have little to no chance of making the final roster. That leaves10 players for six, maybe seven spots, not even counting the possible return at some point of free-agent Steve Smith.
Nicks, Manningham, and third-round pick Jerrel Jernigan are locks. I would guess Domenik Hixon is also a lock, provided he shows during preseason that he is fully recovered from the knee injury that cost him all of the 2010 season.Victor Cruz is probably also a sure thing, especially since offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride has apparently been talking about him as though he could emerge with the third wide receiver job.
That leaves Devin Thomas, Michael Clayton, Duke Calhoun, Darius Reynaud and Ramses Barden fighting for roster spots -- or fighting to knock Hixon off the team if the Giants have any questions about his recovery. Thomas has thus far been the most impressive and Barden, a third-round pick in 2009, remains the player of this bunch the Giants have the most invested in. But, the guy can't stay on the PUP list forever if he wants to make the team, much less actually find a real role as part of the offense. Reynaud has also been better than expected thus far in camp. Clayton's experience helps him, and the fact that the Giants like Calhoun's coverage skills works in his favor.
It's anybody's guess how this works out. There might be questions about who will be No. 3, but the Giants really do have an embarrassment of riches in terms of the depth of the options they possess at this spot.
Linebacker
Linebackers coach Jim Herrmann has added Mathias Kiwanuka to his charges, and he has been effusive thus far during training camp in praise of his young linebackers.
The starters, of course, are Kiwanuka, Michael Boley and Jonathan Goff. The Giants drafted Greg Jones and Jacquian Williams. They have holdovers Clint Sintim (second-round pick, 2009), Phillip Dillard (fourth round, 2010) and Adrian Tracy (sixth round, 2010). They have free agents Mark Herzlich, Stephen Paysinger and Kenny Ingram fighting for jobs, and all impressing at various times.
Ingram and Paysinger would probably be least likely to make the roster, though practice squad invites would bot be out of the question. There are probably seven spots here, maybe eight. Here's a question for you to ponder. With all of the young talent coming up behind him would the Giants actually cut ties with Sintim? It's not like Jerry Reese to move on from a high draft pick so quickly, but if Herzlich, Tracy and others impress during preseason I guess anything would be possible.
Quarterback
Will the Giants keep just two quarterbacks, as they have in recent years? Will they use the new rules, allowing 46 players active on gam days including three QBs, to keep an extra one? If they keep only two, I'm betting David Carr gets the backup job over Sage Rosenfels simply because he is signed to a contract for less than a million dollars while Rosenfels would make about $3 million to back up Eli Manning.
They could keep both veterans and try to get strong-armed young Ryan Perrilloux to the practice squad.
Tight End
With Kevin Boss gone to Oakland I actually think this is pretty cut and dried, but I will bring it up, anyway. Travis Beckum is making the team and will -- I believe -- become an important weapon for Manning this season. Bear Pascoe should make the squad as the primary blocking tight end. The only real question here is whether Jake Ballard can force his way onto the roster as third tight end, or find a way to push Pascoe off of it.
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How's the o-line looking?
We keep hearing about Beatty, but what about everyone else?
O-line will be fine
Provided Beatty can handle left tackle there are no worries there, really. Petrus, Boothe and Stacy Andrews provide quality depth.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 9, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And since I have not heard Baas' name, I guess that's a good thing?
Ya know, because the only time you hear about an Olineman is when they screw up or get injured?
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
There is some rust in Baas apparently
but everyone is confident he will be ready by the time the season starts.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he must be a robot.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
From not playing football for 6 months
and from not having any time with Eli and the rest of the OL
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Koets :)
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
once someone is put on PUP list
aren’t they on there for good.
don’t they than have to wait until week 6 or something?
or am i confused?
TeamJPP
so he can come off the PUP list at any time?
and if he’s on PUP during the season it’s week 6
TeamJPP
well in that case...
Get ur ass out there Ramses! (Tom Coughlin voice)
lol
in all seriousness, i hope he takes his time….we got what? 3-4 weeks before football. But than I hope pray he can be ready week 1….
TeamJPP
I think that's once the season starts
for right now Barden and anyone else on the PUP can come off at any time.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No
You can come off the PUP list at any time during preseason. If you are still on it when the regular season starts I believe it is six weeks before you can be activated.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 9, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That is correct Ed.
That’s also why I believe they have yet to sign SS12. They would have to PUP him if they signed him during the preseason, and he won’t be ready by week 1, which means he wouldn’t be able to play before week 7. I think the consensus is that he’ll be ready to play before week 7, so it’s my assumption the Giants pretty much have a deal in place with him, and are waiting until the start of the regular season to sign him, so he doesn’t have to be put on PUP list, and can play in week 4 or 5, whenever he’s ready.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
never thought about it like that
good thinking!
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
I don't see the logic maybe I missed something
How is it different if he goes on PUP in preseason and on the regular roster in week 1 from being signed on the regular roster for week 1? Seems like you get him into the meetings and you have the flexibility to un-PUP him anytime you want.
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 9, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If they sign him preseason
they have to PUP him, and he won’t be ready before week1, which means that he enters the regular season on the PUP, meaning he can’t play before week 7. Many believe he’ll be ready to play before then, so if they sign him once the regular season starts, they don’t have to PUP him.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i totally understand this…but what’s stopping them from signing him….putting him on the PUP until right before the regular season starts, then just list him as inactive.
What is the rule that says we HAVE to put him on the PUP…what if he’s labeled more as a day-to-day kinda injury (even if it’s really not)?
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 9, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
then they are wasting a roster spot.
He’d be inactive, and he’d be taking up a valuable preseason roster spot but on the PUP, which you don’t want to put him on, he’d give them an extra roster spot, however as prevision mentioned they don’t want to PUP him, it would cause him to miss more weeks than necessary. It’s a lose lose if they sign him in the preseason. Give the spot to a useful body until he is near ready, sign him and cut someone.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
okay...
this is exactly what i thought..was even gonna add it.
but then decided why not just let you answer for me.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 9, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
your welcome then
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hah...
yeah thanks…
though even regarding that….i mean……how many of those extra roster spots are extremely essential….unless there is just one of those games where everyone is getting hurt….lol we could throw him in there as the 3rd QB.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 9, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the Punter competition ?
In all seriousness with Weatherford and all these young LB’s that we have our specials is going to be good this year
Competition?
This is Weatherford’s job.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 9, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad to hear that Andre Brown is back
its gonna be a tough choice between D Scott, Brown and Ware. Do they keep 4 backs? 5? Do they finally cut ties with Ware? To they risk Scott and Brown on the PS?
WRs, I don’t think Cruz is this lock being made out to be. He’s had stone hands in practice. Its gonna take the PS to make the team and maybe he has a great game against the Jest scrubs again..who knows. That Coughlin wants Barden on the field says that most likely he wants the guy to contribute, not find a new team.
I’d say Nicks, Ham, Hixon, Smith (he’ll be back), Barden, Jernigan are locks. Cruz, Clayton, Thomas, Reynaud (who seems to be the best of this bunch in camp) are all battling for either the 7th WR spot, or battling themselves off the team.
I don’t think Sintim’s roster spot is in jeopardy. He’s looked just as good in camp as the others. The Giants just seem to like having Kiwi on the field, and rightfully so.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I know Eli likes the kid
he lobbied for him last year
and looks for him when he’s on the field.
he certainly panned the Plax idea….
I still think Nick, MM, Barden, SS have such a unique and diverse skill set that the 4 of them healthy can NOT be stopped (Philly included)
and I think that as Nicks and MM learn better chemistry w/ Eli and route running….SS becomes more and more expendable….
TeamJPP
SS12
isn’t expendable. He’s still more reliable than Ham and much better than any #3 WR on the team.
Remember one thing
No matter what he says you won’t see the Smith at 100% this year. Remember KP last year who played, but wasn’t the same. It is most likely going to be next year before you see the real Steve Smith again.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 9, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
understood
long term I don’t see the Giants severing ties. SS12 is still only 26.
Maybe
but I do think about a particular NE WR that came back from horrifying knee injury to put up great numbers again right after surgery.
Smith's injury is worse
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Okay, I wasn't sure
but regardless part of my point(b/t the lines) is that medical practices have come very far in just that period of time.
Eventually, micro fracture will become what an ACL used to be.
No No
Welker had a complete re-construction, it’s to his credit he got back on the field so quickly. SS12 had mircrofracture surgery, but his was related to cartliage behind the knee. KP’s microfracture surgery was worse.That’s why they had KP playing in Bayonne, NJ while he was out there last year.
Even Fewell finally admitted it.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
Agree to disagree
An ACL/MCL tear is just a tear.
Micro-fracture surgery has a lot more variables.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Just asking?
Have you ever had knee surgery? I know I have. Smith got hurt late in the year, that’s what it’s taking so long.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
No.
I have not but that doesn’t change the fact that micro-fracture surgery can be infinitely more complicated than ACL/MCL surgery. It’s not a uniform thing that’s always the same.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
"Just a tear"
have surgery and find out someday.Of course there are variables
involved, just common sense.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
I know it is expensive
But I would not be surprised to see them sign him AND IR him
by Spider Lockhart on Aug 9, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
totally agree
SS is not dynamic. His biggest asset is his chemistry with Eli and I think that will develop with hakim and mm. Steve smith is a good player, but he may be phased out this season. Do not expect a long contract if he resigns.
not dynamic?
I dunno what that means. but SS12 not only has more receptions in a year than any other Giant, but he makes most of them over the middle in tough routes that many a-list receivers (Moss) won’t even run. A healthy Smith is Money. Giants would be smart to get him in for a one year deal and if he stays healthy through the year, a long term deal next season.
by steviewonder on Aug 9, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
don't want to sound like a Steve Smith Hater
becuase I definitely am not. By dynamic I mean can make things happen out of nothing; make up for a qb’s mistake with a circus catch or steal a pick away from a DB a la hakeem nicks, or can make tremendous plays after the catch a la MM. He is a solid route runner who catches balls he is supposed to catch, but has largely benefited from the talent around him.
The only thing Steve Smith has not done that you said
is make plays after the catch.
Every game he’s making circus catches and stealing picks away. He’s not Wes Welker, the Giants don’t just run him out there on slants and dump off passes. He make tough catches
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I would disagree with that last part.
He, in fact, has helped out Manning and the rest of the Wrs. It’s at the very elast a two way street. Manning has the best chemistry with Smith out of anybody, he always knew where he would be, and was able to bail them out of potential sacks or broken plays. He is one of the better route runners in the NFL, and he’s as sure handed as they come.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just chemistry?
Or is it that the guy runs the routes correctly and makes the proper adjustments. He’s one of those heady receivers that just knows how to play the position. He thinks like a QB, so Manning can trust him to make the right reads and be where he should be.. He is not as physically gifted as Manningham and Nicks, but he was a great receiver in the slot for us. Let’s hope either he comes back or Jernigan develops as his replacement in the slot rather quickly.
Go Giants!
you always need the underneath WR
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
i agree
and right now….SS is NOT expendable.
BUT if MM and HK get crispier….
well….that’s all im’ saying
TeamJPP
if they get crispier, it means they're getting back to their college bong smoking days
anywho, if they’re developing chemistry with Eli, that only makes Smith more unstoppable underneath. And for those two on deep routes.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
not at all
just not as smoked out as those Ann Arbor dorms are known to be
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
as am I
why he’s my favorite player. I know the dude is still rippin bongs, and he’s our best playmaker. +2
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The list of players hitting the bong is probably super long
in the NFL…. i think Vick may have took a pull or two…. whether he inhaled is another story.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
+1000000
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Even longer list
in the NBA…wow!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
Or
Ricky Williams, LOL!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
unless he signs elsewhere
SS12 isn’t going anywhere.
by GMen56-11 on Aug 9, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What an Epic statement.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
+1
love those malaprops!
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
Agree with the WR assessment.
And of the 6 “locks” we agree on, looks like Hixon, Barden, and Jernigan should be contributing on specials with probably Jernigan and Hixon returning kicks, though I have heard that Ross has been back there and showed some pop.
So I would hope that if the Giants are going to keep 7 WR’s, the best route runner/pass catcher would be the final choice. I like Cruz’s potential and speed, but I like what Clayton, and Thomas showed last year and think any of the three could emerge.
I’m still waiting to see what the hell is going on with Sintim. Tired of his name, actually. I don’t recall being impressed with the special teams work by Dilliard, coupled with his Kevin Boothe “starter kit looking booty,” and I would rather see other players step up.
I would like to see the LB’s look like this: Kiwi, Goff, Boley, Jones, Williams, Tracy, Herzlich, and yes, Clint Sintim. (if they keep 8). I definitely pretty much always want to see Reese hit on higher draft choices.
Personal plea: Please Bekum, step up this year and play well as both a pass catcher and blocker.
And I’m in the David Carr camp because of contract first, ability second.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Cruz hasn't had "stone hands"
he had a few drops early into camp but he’s picking up steam
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess its still early then
there hasn’t been a practice where I haven’t heard that Cruz “continues to drop passes”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
keep scott!
da’rel is a beast, and one of the fastest backs in the league.
and a terp. terps terps terps terps terps.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.
maybe we can call him "big turtle"
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Curz
will not make the squad. I predicted earlier and I stick by my prediction. He’s a FA. He’ll go before they cut Barden. JR does not like to cut draft picks.
Thank goodness cause i hate Curz
Now that Cruz kid will be on the team, no doubt about it. My pick for the slot and Gilbride seems to agree right now.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Yeah
If Barden doesn’t come back 100% in preseason it seems like it’s Cruz for the third spot right now. Unless those dropsies continue. Or Jernigan really shines in preseason and forces his way onto the field.
Go Giants!
He dropped a few in the begining of camp
hasnt since and others have dropped a few too. spotlight is on Cruz right now though.
IDK about Jernnigan in the slot right now…. probably more of a package player and i think he should be doing the Kick returning.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Cruz has dropped passes every practice, nothing's changed
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah
it makes hm look bad.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
with all due respect to Ed, Pat and the resot of the media
they see and report on the obvious plays. The good and bad plays. Practices are video taped. The average fan and member of the media doesn’t see the little things. The things that separate the haves from the have nots.
Reading the media reports are entertaining. It gives us something to blog about In reality they’re meaningless. How the players perform in the preseason games will hold much more weight.
I think
All of us who do those reports understand that. We know we aren’t watching film, and we know we’re giving a very ‘high level’ overview of practice. We also know you guys want to read it, or we wouldn’t bother.
I tell everyone to remember that coaches see film we don’t see and have access to a lot more information than we — fans or media — ever will. So, when you want to criticize a decision keep that in mind.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 9, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry for the misunderstanding
I meant it towards my fellow bloggers. That fans put too much faith in these reports. As fans we love the reports but they need to taken with a grain of salt. We shouldn’t get too excited or down about a players performance in camp. Yes, we like to read the Reynauld is having a good camp or Cruz has a case of the drops. We’re not at camp. We have no other means of any updates.
prince
Hey ed do you think putting prince on IR is a smart idea? I don’t see prince being an impact player in november or maybe he goes on pup list?
by wrxsti28 on Aug 9, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree
He’ll contribute one way or another this year. It will help him for next season at the very least
i hope so
But it will be extremely difficult for him and throwing him into the fire as a rookie with little to no practice time/experience and coming off an injury could be a serious mistake.
remember what Accorsi said
pass rushers and DBs
the kid is 1st round talent….he’ll have his ups and downs, but you live w/ that.
TeamJPP
Prince being on the sideline
is better than sitting at home for 12 weeks of the regular season. And if one of our CB goes down we’ll be happy to have him there. I agree it would be difficult for him at first but that shouldn’t be the reason to put him on IR
I think they won't play Prince in a game until he's had a lot of practice time
so even if he’s back from injury by October, I think we won’t see him play a meaningful role for the team until December.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll be very excited when Prince comes back
I have a feeling we’ll be happy for the depth around week 5. Our secondary has been known to get injured throughout the season. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen our starting secondary player more than 4 consecutive games. I think we’ll be thankful for Prince when he gets healthy. I also think we’ll curse his name at least once twice for big rookie mistakes.
I see
both on PUP list for six weeks myself.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
+1
he really is. Cruz hasn’t really done anything as a Giant.
Prince is a first round pick
a guy that should’ve went top 5 in the draft. The situations don’t have anything to do with each other.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
doesn't matter what he's done
cruz was an UDFA
Prince is a 1st round pick
comparing the two are “stupid”
TeamJPP
there's no comparison Prince to Cruz
one was drafted. one was an undrafted FA. Prince is GUARANTEED a spot on the roster. Cruz isn’t. Cruz has done nothing in a meaningful game for the Giants.
The only reason Cruz is somebody is because he had a great game vs the hated Jets
You talk down on Cruz but speak so highly of Barden
makes no sense……. same boat.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Cruz-preseason
Barden-regular season.
Their boats are not the same.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Barden hasn't done anything in the regular season
He hasn’t shown anything in the NFL at all, except that he has height.
Cruz played well against guys that made the roster for one of the best defenses in the league, and he had a good game against one team in the preseason as well. We don’t know what he would’ve done during the regular season because he got put on IR.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Barden has played well in a real game
I’m not sure where he hasn’t.
Cruz played well against players who did NOT make the roster for one of the most overrated defenses in the NFL.
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Overrated defense
You mean the same one that got Tom Brady and Peyton Manning up outta there without a pass rush?? lol ,ok sir.
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without a pass rush?
that’s all they do is blitz
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Blitzing means you have a pass rush??
so not blitzing means you dont have a pass rush right?? ok sir.
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this is not the same thing, booboo
blitzing means you’re rushing the passer.
If you don’t blitz, you can still have people rushing the passer…can’t you? Yes, you can.
Football 101, Jeez.
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whos side are you on
yours or mine?? LMAO
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you're out there today Gates
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I think you didnt realize i was being sarcastic
your answer kinda proves what i was getting at….. i was trying to say you can rush the passer without blitzing and conversley just cause you blitz alot doesnt mean that you have a pass rush or effectivelat least.
I think you are out there as well today 44.
How about we agree to clash on another topic later, this one is done.
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How many NFL catches does Barden have?
he’s played 20-30 snaps of regular season football at most.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been hurt, he needs to get out there
but its still more then Cruz. So this is why he’s ahead of Cruz.
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Michael Clayton has a 1000 yard season
does that mean he is ahead of both of them?
clayton is garbage
used to be good but he fell off the bus. get him out of here.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
I know
i’m just making a point that 5 catches for 64 yards doesnt mean anything. And if draft status is so important, how could we not keep Thomas, who was a high second round pick?
Thomas was the Redskins pick
they have no idea what they’re doing. Also Clayton was a first rounder.
We’re not talking about either of them either, it seems to be Barden vs. Cruz. Cruz got a ton of yards after Dwight Lowery fell on his ass repeatedly so he’s good all of a sudden.
Barden was running post and go routes against #1 and #2 CBs in real games, albeit for a game or 2, but apparently it doesn’t mean anything and he’s a bust.
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gotcha
and we didn’t draft him that high, the skins did, which makes him more like a 6th rounder.
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
So 5 catches, against nickle/dime corners in the regular season
is sooooooooooooooooooo much better than 15 catches against Dwight Lowry (the Jets dime corner last year) in the preseason?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he was actually on the outside and guarded by either of the top 2 corners
so yes, it still stands.
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no team is going to put their top corners against Ramses Barden
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that may be true
but for some reason they did.
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We're going to find out....
if Barden is worth itthis year. I predict he’s cut next year if he doesn’t make an impact this season.
Sinorice Moss anyone?
Moss was around a whole lot more then 3 years
but I’d agree, if he doesn’t show any progress this season…THEN his roster spot is in question.
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5 receptions for 64 yrds over the course of 3 unconsecutive games
is enough for you to create such a huge gap between the two?? saying Cruz is nothing but championing Ramses as if he is that far away from nothing?
You normally have your head on straight, i dont know whats up here……. Liking Barden more than Cruz is fine but the disgust you have for Cruz and the faith you have for barden doesnt make sense when comparing what they both have done.
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those are the numbers, yea
but it was obvious in the games that he can play.
Real games > preseason games. Sorry.
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He did at least show flashes
in a regular season game before he got hurt. Cruz never even cracked the roster. He does have an edge.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes an edge
but to say one is nothing and the other is something, IDK about that.
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Its obvious they both can play to me
but ummmmm looks like Mr. “Nothing” is closer to making you eat your heart out than Mr. “Potential” is to proving you correct.
and Pre season is real, ask the players who get hurt??
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ummmmmm.....
each practice he drops more passes, the more he’ll be closer to opening up a chain of restaurants called “Mr. Nothing”.
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lol
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not true.
what practice has he dropped more and more balls, that was the first two….been fine since….. are you at the practices?? how can you say that if you have been in attendance.
And the drops were clearly not bad hands, just starting to run before he caught it.
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per Pat Traina
Victor Cruz continues to have a case of the dropsies. If I’m not mistaken, he’s dropped at least one pass in each practice. Tonight he had a very catachable ball go right through his hands.
And there’s no doubt, I trust what she’s saying a WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE lot more then you.
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LOL
Thats from the same exact time Cruz has mentioned his damn self…..if 50 people mention the same drops, it doesnt mean that it happened 50 times. get it together.
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No Thank you
Just make sure you tell me who the slot receiver is on 9/11 . ill be waiting right here for ya.
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I'm sure that when Cruz is off the team
you’ll be telling me how Gilbride thought he was the best #3 on the team
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Nope i would say hey 44
you were correct……. but what will you say when he is certainly on the team and playing as well??
like i said, i just want you and him to clear up your personal differences. i am anxious to know what he did, u have to know him the way you speak.
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he's done nothing, that's what he's done
he’s dropping passes in practice, you say he’s not.
He has a great game against Jets scrubs, then all of a sudden he should get more PT.
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Iverson was a great
football player in high school. I think he’s available to play the slot too
Never said he didnt at all
he has dropped passes but dont make it seem like he is dropping more than he is catching or make it seem like there is a concern over his hands from the coaches.
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he's...dropping passes, every practice
I didn’t say he’s dropping them all. I said he’s dropping passes in every practice.
A real live respectable writer has said this. But you’re saying it was only early on, and it never happened again. You’re wrong.
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nobody catches every single ball thrown his way every single practice
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
they don't
but some drop more then others. And if they do, its made note of. And there you have Victor Cruz.
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Really where did anyone else say that
he is dropping passes every practice, why dont you ask the real life respecable writer right here if he is dropping passes every practice??
Then ask is there a concern at camp seemingly??
then ask has anyone else dropped a ball?? lol
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If dropped balls were so bad
Braylon wouldnt be in the NFL
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Fair opinion
Just dont champion someone in his same category and down him. just make sense.
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and that's from the August 8th practice report boobie
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"each practice he drops more passes"
This quote proves you will say ANYTHING sir. LMAO
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nope thats you, but like i said
prove your quote sir “each practice he drops more passes”……. which practices are you speaking of, yesterday, day before which one or which ones because i wanna know where you are getting this?? pleeease!!!
You are running with the fact that you heard he dropped a few early on in camp but is he the only one?? and why is he running with the ones when nicks was out??… but to your point Ramses hasnt dropped anything lol.
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its all right there for ya
I’d just give it a rest.
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Nope you are running with one statement
and making it a blanket statement AS USUAL!!! LMAO….. you trust Pat but not Gilbride or Cruz who is getting more snaps than any other WR besides the big 2…..LAMO cant stop laughing at you….ridiculous…….
I dont know what Cruz did to you but he cant hear you sir, so you give it a rest LMAO.
Im done…u got it LOL LMAO.
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Hixon is getting more snaps at 3rd WR
doh!
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ok sir.
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+1
Hixon should be he is the veteran… I doubt barden or cruz crack the lineup, specially on opening day.. Still might be room for both of them but Barden needs to start practicing real games or not he is losing valuable time.
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One was drafted
one was not, see a connection?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
He had no choice, Cruz tore his hamstring. What else should he have done?
I call our d-line, The Wall
Unless we need to open up a spot for another position
I don’t see it happening. Especially with the CB position being the thinnest group on the team in terms of depth right now.
PUP
Might be a possibility if they feel he might be out 4 to 6 games into the season. It depends how hard the final cut downs are and where he is in his rehab. He will need reps and practice time before he sees the field anyway.
Go Giants!
Why
would the Giants do that? If the guys is going to be ready to practice in the early part of the regular season? That would be silly.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 9, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Clint certainly wont be cut
Maybe Dilliard if anything or to be honest, i love the story as much as the next man, but make no mistake Mark Herzlich is a long shot, he could end up getting cut.
I like him ALOT but lets be realistic.
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Agreed
He’d have to really stink up the joint in preseason to get cut. He still has more size/speed than most of these other 2nd team options. He’ll get another year to stay healthy and produce before they’d cut him.
Go Giants!
He will stay.......
But to be frank, I’m pretty tired of hearing about him. Even when he did play I was not impressed, and he’s injured more then not. I know this is only his third year in and all, but if I’m going to hear his name I want to hear “knocked the pads off that guy” next to it. Seems like all I ever hear is “Sound be a big year for Sintim if he can stay healthy”, and I’m personaly done with that. If these other young guys can make plays then lets let them play. Hell I saw more out of Tracey in his one preseason game last year then I’ve seen out of Sintim all together. I just don’t see him working out here.
Rather get him on the practice squad depending on his outlook.
Nooooobody will be touching LBZ on our practice squad. WR/RB might be another story.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 9, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know nobody will go after them on Prac squad
doesnt that depend on performance??? or are we still caught up in the whole “Unknown names dont count” theory?
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Just a hunch with their recent play.
I don’t think teams would be looking to grab our LBZ if they were placed there and not on the 53.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 9, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Recent play????
who? what? when? and where? did you see any of them play?
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Yeah, recent play.
Our LBZ have not been the shining star on our team in recent years. If they can’t make the 53 for this team I don’t see other teams lining up to pluck a lbzer off us. Probably the safest position to put on the practice squad behind TE.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 9, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
just like Bryan Kehl
these guys have more talent then is let on. The real problem is every year they get hurt
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I think we cut Clint Sintim
to send a message to guys like Ramses Barden, and Travis Beckum, that this is not play time.
by all accounts
Beckum seems ready to play.
that just because you are a high draft pick
doesn’t guarantee you a spot especially if you’re a slacker.
since he's not a slacker, shouldn't that guarantee a spot
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and since when did Reese say that?
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did he say he was a slacker?
or did he say he needs to step up?
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someone who hasn't stepped up yet?
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I'd rather call it like it is, instead of misinterpreting what was said.
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Someone who hasn't stepped up yet just might mean that they need to hurry up and pick up on there game.
Im sure these guys know what to do, but there finding it difficult to be able to translate it into a game. Doesn’t mean there not trying though. This is the NfL. Im pretty sure things are easier said then done.
I call our d-line, The Wall
so you're saying the three of them are slackers?
for breaking ankles, tearing ACL, and getting Gilbrided?
question…what would you have done w/ Tuck, Cweb, and Jacobs after their first 2 years?
TeamJPP
you're making things up now
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called them out, told them to step up...
but you’re the one saying they’re slackers. Not the same.
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Oh man.
If someone says you need to step up your game, he’s saying that your not playing on the level that you should be playing on.
He obviously believes that Ramses and co. should be playing on a higher level, therefor they are slacking.
so
you assume JR calling out Sintim is grounds to be cut.
but calling out Eli is just that….
and i’m stupid…thanks.
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Comparing Eli to Sintim is stupid.
If Sintim is not producing he should and will be cut. Same situation as Sinorice Moss.
Eli Manning, on the other hand, is producing and his errors are fixable. He has shown that he has the ability of being successful in this league, which he already is. No one in our camp has potential of surpassing Eli.
We have several players who have potential of surpassing Sintim. Therefor if it’s a coin flip between Sintim and others, Sintim can very well be cut.
Moss
was on the team for 4 years before they pulled the plug.
no one compared Eli to Clint…all i said is why does JR’s word mean one thing when it comes to Clint and another thing when it comes to Eli?
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Hate this stat
Over half were tips by the receiver..let’s let it go.
It’s a new season, we put way too much emphasis on the 2010 stats. I’d rather look at the fact Eli has improved every season, I’m looking at the trend and expecting big things this season
Thats's an exaggeration
counting his lost fumbles, 30+ turnovers.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
yup
i think they broke it down….no where near half.
and don’t forget….a tipped pass doesn’t ALWAYS mean it should be caught.
if someone jumps 3 feet in the air and gets a pinky on the ball….it’s still a bad pass!
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Thats right.
I don’t care how many Olineman and recievers went down either, there is simply no excuse for the 25 INT’s. As evidenced, IMO, by how few sacks Eli took.
Take a friggin sack instead of playing Brett Favre out there, Eli.
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I don't expect...
Eli to be an elite QB because he isn’t one. This team has been built around Eli’s shortcomings and it causes our WR’s to step up and play a smart game.
We all know Eli can’t consistently hit the numbers, but he is good at knowing when a play isn’t there. I believe he is one of the few QB’s in the league that throws it away when the plays not there. I’d rather Eli play his game and come into his own game than try to be something he’s not. I think he understands that too.
We put a lot of pressure on our WRs to make up for Eli. You gotta tip the ball down instead of in the air if you can’t make the catch. The passing game, like any other part of football is a team effort. We knew what we were getting when we got Eli, let’s not give him unrealistic expectations.
who's elite?
We knew what we were getting when we got Eli, let’s not give him unrealistic expectations.
we got a very good QB. Since his first full season at QB only 4 QBs have better winning records.
All great points.
And I am a huge, and realistic, and glass half full, kind of Eli fan.
I am just echoing TC’s comments during and after the season. He alluded to Eli perhaps taking a sack here and there instead of throwing it where he shouldn’t during the season. And flat out said it after the season.
Near the end of the year, when our WR’s were guys who were signed off the street, and our Oline was in shambles, I don’t fault Eli as much as I do earlier and toward the middle of the season. That’s when he threw INT’s that really bothered me.
Late, he was too often behind in games because 44 was wore down, or had turned it over himself, or the oline wasn’t making the holes like they should. Also, against the likes of GB, the defense couldn’t hold up, so Eli was in gunslinger mode and he is not good enough to carry the team offensively every week.
He has to cut down on the TO’s, this is not rocket science. My statement was simple and it is what we all know has to happen.
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slacking means they're taking plays off, they're not practicing right
they’re not doing what was asked.
Stepping up means they need to get better. Something all young players need to do. They need to fill the void left by veteran players, they need to step up in their place.
Not the same. You’re misinterpreting things. And you can’t be “slacking” when you’re injured. You’re injured.
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Jerry Reese:
I think (Sintim) needs to grow up and play like a second-round player that we think he is and give us that value and step in there and show us that he can be a starter for us.
That’s Jerry Reese on Sintim. He’s clearly saying that Sintim is not playing like the Second-Round pick that he is; Jerry Reese is clearly disregarding any injury Sintiim has had. When you’re an Athlete and a team has invested a lot into, you are expected to be to train hard, play hard, and produce. Sintim has not produced and therefor he is slacking.
he's saying all of that...except that he's slacking
Slacking is not the right word here, sorry. He’s saying he needs to step up so they don’t have to keep signing wastes of space like Bulluck and Danny Clark each year.
Step up and fill the void. Not slacking. Wrong term.
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I've mentioned that
in the past.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
Not a fan of the mighty Sintim
Lost his job last year in camp if I remeber right. I just dont know about the dude. I know he has been injured but what I saw of him on the field dude just looks lost. Remember Just my opion.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
Preseason
Will tell us a lot. But it sounds like he has stepped up his game in the early part of camp. I gotta stay positive in August. The last couple of years have been rough for us.
Go Giants!
Lol Your right Ron
Let’s get to the preseason games. That should tell us alot more about Mr. Sintim and and a bunch of other guys on this team. I feel good about this defense though. Stay positive my friends.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
Yeah
We get WAAAY ahead of ourselves around here. But the guess work of who will shine and who will fall on their face is all we have till the games start.
I can’t wait for preseason. How sick is that? I mean, those games usually suck once you sit down and watch. LOL
Go Giants!
Lol yeah I feel the same about preseason
I think we are all a little sick on this site but in a good.
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
I actually love preseason.
Of course it is not as good as a real game, but I really enjoy watching young players and wondering and speculating on who will make the team, who will contribute on specials. I enjoy the games to very end, myself.
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not a fit with us I don't think
a proficient 3-4 blitzer. A total hell raiser in college. Big learning curve in a 4-3 system. Let him adjust to a comletely different position (for all intents and pruposes) or trade him.
he probably was going to be a good fit with Spags
who he was drafted to play for. And Kiwi was a 4-3 DE, a pass rusher. Basically its like Osi or Tuck playing LB…so its not like the Giants don’t have these sorts playing LB and doing well.
The Giants most likely just want to get Kiwi, a former 1st round pick, on the field.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Imo Sintim
Has all the tools. I just worry if he is smart enough to make the transition
Why is Tom Quinn still here?
I keep
Remembering the way he could come off the edge early on. There is some definite talent there.
Go Giants!
Yes and Kiwi is the better player
its not a knock on Sintim, JPP is doing his thing and Kiwi has played SAM before. not a big deal, Clint will play.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
I like how u omitted the quotes
where JR clearly seems frustrated at the chances the Clint has gotten, but he is simply telling him to come on thats all.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Apparently
those quotes don’t mean anything.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
so if those dont
how do yours?? are they not from the same man? on the same day? in the same setting??…..matta fact dont even answer, its cool.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
I think i took your post wrong Ghost
my bad
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
NO
He wants to see them step up and perform well, thus creating bigger roles for themselves on the team. Since they have yet to really play, you can’t say they need to step up their games, they have yet to really show what game that is. He wants to see them earn playing time in practice/preseason. That in no way, shape, or form makes them slackers. Two of the 3 have been hurt( can’t play and step up if you’re hurt), and Beckum was a causality of Killdrive. Slackers are people that are lazy, don’t try at all. That really does not fit the description of any of these guys. Your point is invalid.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This was the quote
Show me where Reese calls Sintim out for slacking off?
"We have a couple of guys we don’t really know a lot about. Phillip Dillard didn’t play a lot and Adrian Tracy dislocated his elbow," Reese said of the fourth- and sixth-round picks last year. "We want to see what those guys can do. And Clint Sintim is a guy that we want to see what he can do. He hasn’t played a lot and he got injured, so that hampered our evaluation of him."
"I think he can do all of that, but I think it’s about growing up for him," Reese said, echoing a sentiment Sintim expressed before last season. "He needs to grow up and play like the second-round player we think he is and give us that value and step in there and show us he can be a starter for us and play quality football for us.
"We picked him in the second round so we expect him to be an impact player for us and right now he hasn’t been able to do that. He flashed a little bit as a rookie but last year he didn’t get to play a lot because he was injured. So we’re hoping he can come back from his injury and look like a second-round pick."
That’s kind of a misleading statement because Sintim didn’t tear his ACL until the Dec. 13 game against the Vikings. Before that, he played 13 games, mostly as a special teamer. And frankly, he entered training camp as the starter on the strong side (or weak side, depending on one’s perspective) but left the preseason as a backup after the team determined Jonathan Goff in the middle was a better option than Sintim on the outside, with Keith Bulluck sliding to Sintim’s spot.
"Well, it is what it is," Reese replied when told Sintim had a chance to win a starting job. "You say he had a shot but he wasn’t out there. I don’t know if he had a shot or not."
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Reese was annoyed that his picks weren't getting a real shot at playing time
To me Reese wants the young players to improve and the coaches to give them more opportunities.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Magic
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
stop thinking
Your cutting and sending messages to people who havent even had opportunities to show what they really have…… oh yeah when a position coach says you are doing great, u probably dont get cut.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
How does cutting Sintim
send a message to Beckum or Barden?
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Antonio Pierce
has anyone heard his statements about the Giants practice?
sounds very Tiki-esque"
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
sorry missed one " " "
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
let's hope it works
if they really needed prodding
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
LOL
Pierce probably just walking the company line for ESPN
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Damn, you're right.
That’s sad
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
THIS!
And controversy is highly encouraged over there at BSPN
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and he attended just one practice
can’t take someone’s word seriously if they’re saying that sort of thing based on one practice.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
No need to watch practice to notice that
This team played with no freakin heart in big games last year…a shame too with all this talent smh
lets not overlook
alot of players weren’t able to practice due to the CBA.
Nobody wins the SB in August
right
all the Eagles need to do then is bring back Westbrook….effectively breaking both of AP’s ankles
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
and mcnabb
so when AP is a sideline reporter, he can take his mic and talk to that too
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
I hate that bastard
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
I think the problem with Sintim ...
is that he’s been all potential up until this point. His first pre-season game I saw he was a beast, but that was pre-season and against Carolina’s 3rd team. I’ve been rooting hard for him ever since, but patience is running thin.
Since then, I think the only highlight I can recall was a sack against Dallas where he was unblocked (well, at least he wrapped up). Last season I would watch the tape after a game focusing on Sintim, and he seemed to show up in the frame right after the guy with the ball was on the ground. Just wondering about his instincts at LB. Too tentative.
This is Year 3 now, so if he doesn’t look like he’s made significant strides in camp, and if they like the rest of the young LB’s, it might be their only chance to get something for him if we find another team with even bigger issues at LB coming out of camp to throw a mid-round draft pick our way.
his instincts/reaction may be underdeveloped and a concern
his bread and butter in college was blitzing
And I'd love to see them come up with some kind of package ...
that has Tuck, Osi, JPP, Kiwi and Sintim all rushing the QB at the same time, but that’s just an occasional call here and there. I’m just worried that there may not be a role for him as one of the 3 starting LB’s.
QBs need to be afraid.
This Defense has so much talent and with Goff feeling more comfortable with the calls we should be a top 5 D.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Aug 9, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
There isn't.
He’s not starting, Kiwi, Boley and Goff are. But most likely on 3rd downs, Kiwi will move to DE, Tuck will go inside, Goff will come off the field, and Sintim will go in as a pass rushing LB. He should get playing time as long as he has a decent preseason. Starting though, not gonna happen.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
This is how I feel about Sintim and Barden...
To quote Mr. Incredible:
Mr. Incredible: What are you waiting for?
Boy on Tricycle: I don’t know. Something amazing, I guess.
Mr. Incredible: [sighs] Me, too, kid.
Cut 2nd-round pick Sintim?
So they can keep a UDFA Herzlich and 6th-round pick Tracy? No.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
get out of here with your logic
and common sense, NOW!!!!!…..leave before the others find out you have a brain…….save yourself Ghost!!!
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
yea to me Tracy
has the biggest uphill battle, he can be/ will be cut at a whim so unless he electrifies, he might be gone.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
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From now until 7:30 u guys can ask me any question u want about football or me personally…@ 7:30 I will pick and answer 8 of the questions
^
Phillies or Dutch Masters?
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when the Giants win the SB, is Billy Bong Thornton making an appearance?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
what is your favorite breakfast
pipe and a crepe? Cigar and waffle? Bong and a blintz?
I have not yet begun to procrastinate
Smoke and a pancake?
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
LMFAO
Neither, Game.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
backup QB
isn’t Sage the holder? I don’ think I saw Carr do that before, so who would replace Sage as the holder then if Carr is the backup and we don’t keep Sage?
so who else can be the holder?
That's just Ridiculous!
Weatherford
The giants like their punter to do the holding duties but Dodge sucked at that as well….
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 9, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
we can pull a play out of the Cowboys playbook
and hand the holding duties to our starting QB.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
We signed Bomar today
for that purpose.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
someone bust out Wesley Pipes.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
How much longer
for "ol Wes in the clink? I saw his goofy commercial the other day, go me to wondering?
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
Weatherford
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
For WRs
Beyond the obvious three (Nicks, Manningham, Smith), I see a combination of Cruz, Hixon, Jernigan and perhaps Calhoun or Barden.
Barden is one of Reese’s failures, and if he can’t own up to drafting a bust in a higher round, then that’s a shame because it seems to be a trend (see: Sintim). He’s always hurt and never shows up on game day when he’s not. How many chances can you give him? The other knock on him is that the guy can’t really contribute much on special teams either, so if he’s not hauling in the big catch, he really has no place on the roster.
I don’t care so much that Cruz has had some down practices. The guy is clearly talented and I think they’ll give him a shot to prove that he’s more than just hype in the regular season. Sinorice Moss was a training camp wonder and never could put it together during the season and stuck around for much too long despite that. Cruz has shown playmaking ability that, short of Manningham and Nicks, the rest of the group seems to lack.
Hixon should have a spot due to his special teams play, and perhaps Calhoun will stick around for the same reason. Given Jerry Reese’s philosophy though, which goes something like keep your best players no matter what kind of depth it leaves you at other positions, we will probably end up fielding a ridiculous number (such as 8) at WR anyhow.
Anybody else a little upset that Jerry Reese has given us the most fragile roster in Giants’ history? I mean, to a point, injuries are part of the game. But, part of scouting out players before you bring them in is to weigh in on whether or not their talent outweighs any injury concerns they have. It seems now, year in and year out we have one of the deepest injury reports every week, and yet we hang on to guys like Barden that are always hurt. It’s not like the guy is Bob Sanders or anything. He’s proven nothing but to be a waste of a spot.
he hasn't proven anything yet
they always said he was a project pick. He was never going to come in a start right away. He was only drafted 2 years ago, and missed half of last season with an injury. That means he’s really only had half a season to show what he can do, and when he played he played well. You can’t realistically sit there and say he’s proven a bust. Nothing was expected of him until now, so once he gets back to playing, that is when the judging should begin. Beckum was drafted same year as him, and is our starting TE(though by default) this year. He hasn’t proven anything yet either, but by your logic, he is a bust to. Makes no sense, another comment that wasn’t thought out at all.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, of course you thought this out thoroughly. Beckum is our starting TE by default (the signed replacement for Boss had a mental breakdown and retired at 26), and he will likely split time. Barden is going into his third season, has been constantly injured, played in 9 games and has made 6 catches. Yes, Barden is entering his third season, on the PUP list. In the games Barden has made appearances in, he’s shown nothing.
Beckum has played in 31 games to this point, having been drafted the same year as Barden. I’d wager the two are slightly different cases. Beckum has, at the very least, proven not to be a waste of a roster spot.
I’d call a guy who is going in his third season who can’t even get onto the field (and when he can is still rarely used because he drops easy catches) is somebody I can do without. You can’t sit there and tell me that he played well when given the opportunity. What games were you watching?
Maybe he’s not a bust, but he’s not anything because he’s not ever healthy enough to evaluate him, and he’s looking like he’s on a good pace to miss half of this season too. Make sense?
I'm pretty sure he'll be ready to go before the preseason is over.
He won’t be on the PUP during the regular season, that’s why Coughlin wants him back, so he can get in practice time, and contribute, hopefully. And Ben Patrick was not at all the replacement for Boss, they weren’t even sure he’d make the final roster. Beckum was practicing first team before Boss signed in Oakland, and before Patrick went awol and retired. He was a depth player, that is all.
"They're going to expect me to go out there and play better to win games, and I expect that from myself, ... There's no reason for me not to go out there and play at a high level."- Eli Manning
SB 42 was forever ago, that being said, we need to try and pick up a good GM in the free agency!!!!
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Time to Move on...
Good Post! If the players(whoever they are) especially non starters are not producing in some way to the overall goal of the team, then it is time to move on! If Sintim is not doing a good enough job even as a #2 pick then drop him. Seems we have a good crop of LB’s who are making plays and looking good so far! The WR’s should be the same way! I like the speed of Jernigan! Barden should be given one more look since he was hurt. He could be a real red zone threat!
It's just too early to part ways with a 2009 pick
next year, this might be a valid point. Not in 2011 though.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
Michael Eisen said that the Giants will not give up on Barden
He’s basically guaranteeing that he will make the team.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
can anyone shine some light on this?
I read that Jernigan might be able to be listed as the 3rd QB.
So, let’s say the Giants go into the season with Eli, Carr, and then they get the free roster spot for Jernigan (I doubt the Giants keep 3 ‘real’ QBs).
If Jernigan is listed as the 3rd QB, would they then keep an extra receiver with the open spot, or would they just sign the 54th best player?
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
He played some in the wildcat
at Troy. It’s possible they could keep an extra receiver. I don’t know why somebody like Calhoun would make this roster just for ST. With Sash, Jerrigan, Jones and maybe Williams, no reason to keep him for ST alone.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
The 3rd QB rule
Is gone I believe under the new CBA. Just a 46 man gameday roster now.
Well...
For you guys hating on Cruz, your all going to be surprised when he makes the roster. He runs great routes, good speed, plays the slot very well. thats the position we are in need for now. So yeah, this is our man. I also say Andre brown wins the third running back position. Seems like he is running like his oldself. He kinda reminds me of Bradshaw. Besides the fumble issues.
I call our d-line, The Wall
I think most of us are worried
we have too many small WR’s and Eli throws high.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Of course injuries will make a couple of these decisions for them
Sad fact of life in the NFL.
Crazy idea. Ramses Barden converting to TE. So crazy it just might work ;)
by MIKES92 on Aug 9, 2011 5:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
don't think he has enough mass for that, and probably real raw at blocking
its an idea tho…
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 9, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention they already got their man....
and his name is Kenny Ingram
and he actually plays on Defense.
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The High Road
It frustrates me to no end when I hear someone say well Eli throws high so we need bigger guys ….
By what are we making this determination. You’re not seeing the coverage , you don’t know how deep or shallow the route is supposed to be run , you don’t know whether he’s elevating the pass to get it over a linebacker , defensive lineman , or even his own O-line. Basically we don’t know anything , what we do know is that he completes 60 pct of his passes and that his deep accuracy is one of the best in existence. So leave it at that ….
We heard the same thing after Plax went on his iron vacation and Toomer retired and its worked out just fine.
by TheBXRepresenta on Aug 9, 2011 8:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Receivers
Last year the Giants took 7 in to the first game of the season
I wonder how many
RB’s make the roster?
I think 4 (Jacobs, Bradshaw, Brown, and D.Scott), but I REALLY want to see Charles Scott make the team too. I wonder if he gets penciled in as a FB. You just don’t hear about quick, shifty 6’, 240lb running backs. I kinda doubt he’ll make it to the practice squad.
My bet is the Lions grab him to make up for losing LeShoure
Agree with Charles Scott at FB if...
I think Charles Scott should be seriously considered for the FB spot especially if he’s faster and can catch the ball better than Hynosky.
by TrueBlue777 on Aug 10, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Brewer
reported as only a bone bruise, thank God he’s not on the Mets!!
Last WR spot
I think if Devin Thomas plays well in the preseason, he’ll beat out Hixon and Barden for he last spot.
The big question is when will Steve “sure hands” Smith return?
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