New York Giants Notes: Prince Amukamara Goes Pop
Well, let's dispense with the pleasantries. First-round draft pick Prince Amukamara broke his left foot Saturday night and will be lost to the New York Giants for several weeks. Amukamara was the final first-round pick to sign, and was participating in just his second practice.
The injury he suffered, a fracture of the fifth metatarsal bone in his left foot, will require surgery. Will Beatty had the same injury a season ago and was out of action for seven weeks.
To say the least, this has been a rough start to the season for the Giants. The Osi Umenyiora mess, losing Bruce Johnson and Amukamara and watching the Eagles make a bunch of splashy moves. It has to get better. Doesn't it?
The way this season has started will certainly challenge coach Tom Coughlin and Jerry Reese. The ship isn't sinking, but it is under attack.
Mathias Kiwanuka has played some linebacker for the Giants in the past, and has done so grudgingly. Coming back from the herniated disc he suffered last year that nearly ended his career, Kiwanuka seems happy to be back. And more willing than ever to play linebacker.
"There will be a little bit of everything involved [in his role on defense]. I think being out here, being able to play as a linebacker and then being able to rush as the defensive end is probably the best fit for me, because then I learn the entire defense and I can be used in a number of different ways," Kiwanuka said. "At the end of the day, this was the best fit, the best chance, the best opportunity I have to get back to the Super Bowl."
Coach Tom Coughlin admitted Saturday that he is looking for someone in the group of receivers behind Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham to emerge.
"We're going to work that out. Domenik has been the third. We unfortunately have to slow him down on occasion, say every other day, to get him stronger and healthier and feeling faster coming off of his surgery," Coughlin said. "There's a lot of room for a lot of people if they could just improve and come along. Barden, get out there for crying out loud. So there's plenty of opportunities."
Defensive end Dave Tollefson returned to the Giants in a jovial mood, saying he had "ended my holdout."Tollefson sounded pleased that the Giants wanted him back.
"I've always signed one year deals here and it's kind of like you're waiting, I want to get to free agency, I want to get to free agency and then you test the market. You know I've been buried on the depth chart here. You've got two All Pros in front of me, two first round picks also. Like I said, is the grass always greener? I kind of found out maybe it isn't," Tollefson said.
Tight end Ben Patrick also left the team, apparently deciding he no longer wants to play football. Patrick was just signed earlier this week. He has been placed on the reserve/retired list. I hate to even ask what else can happen. So, I won't.
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Umm WTF!?!? @ Patrick
he must really be bummed at not being able to play w/ Boss…
oh well.
losing Prince will sting, but I saw in a tweet from MG that the average recovery time is 6 weeks, but the podiatrist he talked to said it could be less. (certainly less than Beatty, because of the weight difference).
luckilly Brian Witherspoon has been flashing pretty brightly, Ross seems to be having a good camp, and the lbzzezzz sound like they’ve been stepping up.
by Raptor22 on Aug 7, 2011 7:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I too asked a podiatrist friend of mine about that injury.
He’s not a football doctor but said he thought Prince could be back and practicing in 5-6 weeks.
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you know what
the worst of his injury will pass during the 4 weeks of preseason. Then he misses a few games early on where we play redskins, rams, eagles, cardinals. Outside of the eagles game, we should be able to pull thru the first four games and even hope to get steve smith back by then too. Ideally, we could have both Prince and SS12 back before that Week 3 game against philly.
aside from the broken bone
the worst part is he’s a rookie. It was his 2nd practice so he’s clueless. Even if he’s capable of coming back a week or two into the season he’ll see little playing time.
room to learn
Right
and camp is the place to learn. Practices during the regular season are not the same thing.
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
i have a theory about ben patrick
he failed a drug test a couple of years ago, and he knows that if he fails another that he’s suspended for an entire season. so either he tested positive already, or he knows that he cannot pass a drug test especially under the expanded rules so that he can clear his system of something illicit. hgh use is known to be widespread in the league, and maybe this is just a case of a guy who has been taking it (or another illicit substance) and wants to avoid that suspension. think about manny ramirez’s decision to “retire” when he really failed a drug test for a second time.
just my theory that is completely without any factual basis
anyways,
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
Fact on Villanova Sports
That's as good a theory as any...
makes good sense. Can’t think of another reason someone would just walk off the pre-season practice field and retire suddenly. Not that I was looking to get very much out of this guy to begin with, but it sure is weird.
Interesting theory...
but if that is true then why did we sign him. Surely they must do some sort of testing during the physical. He should’ve gotten advice from Manny Pacquiao on how to get away with using HGH
by TheNotoriousDJC on Aug 7, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
possible
He claimed he took one Adderall on a long drive to stay awake which resulted in his 4 game suspension.
For someone to retire at 26 with almost a guaranteed spot on a NFL team he must be on something
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Guess this means Jimmy Smith will be having a better year than Prince : )
"'If there isn't a bone sticking out of my leg, I'm playing" - Marshall Yanda
cuz Ben Patrick retires that means Smith is better?
seems like the only reason it has a chance!
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Interesting theory...
but if that is true then why did we sign him. Surely they must do some sort of testing during the physical. He should’ve gotten advice from Manny Pacquiao on how to get away with using HGH
I think it also goes to JR
This was a faux signing, a waste of time in my opinion.
I did not think he had a chance to make the team anyway.
All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.
Tom Quinn Must Go!
On second thought, let's not blame players or coaches, they are not responsible. The unsupportive fans are to blame.
by UnknownJintsFan on Aug 7, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
TC said "Barden get out there for crying out loud" ? Whats that all about? I need context
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yeah, weird
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
I'm thinking TC
is getting impatient, and thinks the team doctors are playing it too safe with Barden. I wouldn’t be surprised if he practices tonight.
TC-English translation:
ICE IT DOWN, TAPE IT UP, GET OUT THERE, AND MAKE SOME PLAYS!
by Raptor22 on Aug 7, 2011 8:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
idk either...
he’s on the PUP list, his ankel was mangled last year.
if i was Barden i’d tell Coughlin and KG….“STFU you two old farts SHOULDA had me playing sooner”.
do i hear coughlin telling smith and koets to “get out there for crying loud”.
no i don’t….
TeamJPP
?
If a player isn’t showing anything, you want them to be on the field? Especially, when you’re the coach and your job is on the line?
I heard the interview in context
Coughlin specifically called Barden out. He brought up Barden up on his own. Obviously, Coughlin doesn’t think Barden should still be on the sideline. Also, it probably means that this training camp was supposed to be Barden’s coming-out party and the coaches are frustrated to see him unavailable.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
thanks Ghost
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Reality check
The Eagles have a better roster than we do. Not mention the Packers, Steelers, Patriots, Jets, Atlanta and Ravens. Last and this year’s draft classes have to really surprise us this year for us to get in the playoffs.
With a short pre-season ...
giving an initial advantage to teams with better personnel continuity and an early soft schedule, we’d better be the usual 6-2 at the halfway post, but I think we’ll be all right.
good thing that the best offseason roster always wins the Superblow
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah, maybe....
But every one of those teams is a couple of preseason injuries away from having a worse roster than we have too. It’s not even worth thinking about until the season starts, and even then it’s a week to week thing, as injury can change everything in a nano-second.
Wait, what? I'm a Cowboys fan,
but I just had to point out the irony of a Giants fan, of all possible teams’ fans, basing his lack of optimism on roster strength. Because y’all TOTALLY had the Pats outclassed a few years back…(sarcasm)
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Aug 7, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh, then you KNOW it's bad, eh?
Honestly, I expect the Giants and the Cowboys to be the two in the lead for the division. I think the Eagles broke with their general philosophy, which will hurt them mentally, and that Vick will not have a comparable year to last year, whereas our two teams have played it smart and fairly safe, while making definite improvements.
That said, losing Prince really hurts y’all…sorry to hear about that one.
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Aug 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry...
Vick won’t last past week 3.
The Big Nasty Marvin Austin will be rag-dolling O-linemen all game, and turn vick into a green smear somewhere in the backfield.
anyway, thank you for your sympathies. You are quite possibly the most well spoken Cowboys fan I’ve ever seen (or any fan of any team for that matter)
Just remember Raptor
That I called it first :P. But I think the Gmen will knock out Vick in game 2 at the Meadowlands, which i think is in week 10. Just in time to ruin their playoff plans.
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aw, dang it.
Just checked their schedule and you play the Feables first.
Probably so then. If he lasts through Austin though, I look forward to D. Ware doing as you described. One way or another, I agree, Vick misses at least a few games.
Oh, and thanks for the props. All the Giants folks who visit BTB tend to be good guests, so returning the favor seems only right :)
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Aug 7, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The games are played on the field not on paper
If the Giants take care of the damn football this year are you that worried that we can’t beat the top competition? The Giants are the ones shooting themselves in the foot, being so careless with the football. Cut the TOs in half this season and we make the playoffs. You can take that to your nearest bank and cash that shit today.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
What? Really?
Atlanta doesn’t have a better secondary than the Giants. Even with Edwards, they don’t have a better D-line than the Giants. I’m not a believer in Atlanta at all.
The Jets still have no pass rushers. They’re making changes to their O-line. The 2010 draft picks did nothing last year and now they’re hoping that they can get something from them this year.
The Pats still have no pass rusher, unless you’re calling Haynesworth that. They need an edge rusher. Last year’s playoff game showed that even Mark Sanchez can look good if you don’t pressure him. Also, as much as people say that the offense looked good without Moss, against a good defense that is not the case. They have nobody to stretch the defense or to draw double coverage. The score was window dressing.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
continued
The Steelers and Packers just played in the Super Bowl and haven’t lost anybody significant. I’ll give you those.
The Ravens lost Heap just like we lost Boss. Their secondary was suspect last year, which is why they drafted Jimmy Smith. He’s talented but he’s still a rookie. The passing offense was 20th in the NFL – not exactly fearsome. In contrast, even with all our injures at WR, the Giants were 10th.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
We'll be alright despite this situation
B/c like I mentioned b4 we don’t play a tough game besides the Pigeons in WK3 till the Patriots in Week 9 after a bye. So losing Prince and Bruce won’t be as bad as it seems. We didn’t even play much Dime coverage last Yr so we’ll be ok. He is lighter than Beatty is so he should be back quicker he’ll hav a helluva lot of time to study with this injury so he better study hard so he can step right in to the fold
by AHoustonGiant on Aug 7, 2011 8:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not the case this year.
With the Saints,Packers,Patriots and now Rams(Josh McDaniels as OC)Dime defense will have to be played more.
LIKE I SAID
WE DONT PLAY A TOUGH team aside from the Pigeons IN THE FIRST 8 GAMES!!!!!!!! THEREFORE we’ll be alright until we play the PATRIOTS. Nothing is a given in the NFL but our schedule is relatively soft the 1st 8 games. None of those teams hav more than 2 good wideouts and a only one has a Top Tier QB (The Pigeons, the rest of those guys are 2nd Tier or unproven)! So by the time Prince gets back he should be in good shape for the last 8 game stretch which is going to be Brutal.
by AHoustonGiant on Aug 7, 2011 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
worried about the Rams?
Er Giants West…Uh what…Its a Monday night home game. I don’t think our Dline is going to let Bradford do anything. It’s not like McDouche has had a full offseason with his new offense.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
stating the obvious:
a guy isn’t just going to be able to play cornerback at the NFL level after a broken bone in his foot heals. He obvioulsy won’t be running/lifting/participating in drills this entire time. He can’t just step in and play once his bone heals—it’s just not realistic. Prince may be able to get on the field the final 3 or 4 games of the season. Maybe.
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Breaking a bone is way better than fracturing one. Fractures can be a pain in A**. The Pigeons are probably going to get that 1st game but there’s no reason we shouldn’t win the other 7 with relative ease
by AHoustonGiant on Aug 7, 2011 8:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Houston, we have a problem.
Why would anyone concede a week 3 game in early August? C’mon man!
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Update on Patrick
UPDATE: It appears that some private/family issues are what drove Patrick into retirement.
"I decided (Friday) night that I needed to step away to handle some personal issues and some family issues," Patrick, 26, said from his home in Arizona. "I’ve got some issues that I need to work through and, obviously, that much of a distraction wouldn’t allow me to perform and prepare in football like I need to. I decided to step away for awhile to handle these personal and family issues.
"There are some things that I have to handle and need to handle, and I need to step away from the game. I appreciate everybody’s support but also ask for a little privacy until these matters are resolved."
Ludicrous statement.
but there’s no reason we shouldn’t win the other 7 with relative ease
No one wins easy in the NFC East.
Cowboys fan here, sorry for you guys losing the Prince. The excitement of getting the first round pick, watching him practice and then playing the first season is one of the things that is so great about football to me.
Here’s hoping for the shortest recovery possible – and that the Cowboys receivers hang 100 on him :)
have a good season folks!
Haaaaaaaa
Thanks for the luck #CowGirl fan, but we don’t play u guys till WK13 and out of our 1st 8 games the only TOUGH team the I’d say we’d have a great chance of losing to are the Pigeons! The rest of those 1st 8—yes this is the NFL and nothings a given—are games that we should be heavily favored to win
by AHoustonGiant on Aug 7, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thing is if you have actually looked at our first 8 games then you'd see why we think this way.
I’ll even run you through it
Week 1 @ Washington…We’ve won six straight against the Skins, and with Jon Beck/Rex Grossman starting the season, the Giants should start off with a bang. We win this one.
Week 2 Monday night St. Louis. Do you really expect that Lil Hoodie can get the Rams score enough points to win on a Monday night in da Meadowlands? I don’t, Giants start 2-0.
Week 3 @ Philly. He is where things get interesting. Sure the Eagles loaded up but they need to time to adjust to a new system and the players around them. This game could go either way, depends if the Giants can take care of the foosball. I’m not picking this game But we will go with a worst case scenario here. I’ll take the loss and keep it respectable. Giants 2-1.
Week 4 @ Arizona. Sure Kevin Kolb might be able to do something this season for Arizona. Just won’t be this week, especially if we lost the previous week to the Eagles. Kevin will likely be sidelined with a bruised Ego/sternum after we wreck him. Giants 3-1
Week 5 Seattle. Um we beat this team last season in Seattle by 34 points. It was over before halftime. The Seahawks aren’t any better than last season 7-9 record would indicate. Whos there starting QB? Does it matter against this Dline…NO Giants 4-1.
Week 6 Buffalo No need to post why I think this one’s in the bag Giants 5-1.
Week 7 Bye
Week 8 Miami The 3rd straight home game coming after a bye. Now the Giants usually struggle after the bye, but this is another team we face without a top tier QB. Chad Henne just won’t get it done this game and the Giants run their record to 6-1.
Week 9 @ NE This is where the season starts to get tough as we follow this up with games against the 49ers the a tough 3 straight against Philly @NO vs GB before we finish with the Cowboys x 2 the Jets and Skins again (not in order)
Giants fans should be optimistic about the start of the season. We are known to start fast and fade down the stretch, maybe our tough second half schedule or recent history are a reason for some of that, maybe not, but I expect us to be 6-1 going into that NE game.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Agreed, at least 5-2.
It’s football and it’s crazy. So often you lose a game or two you are supposed to win and win a game or two you are supposed to lose.
Games to circle on the calander besides the two vs. DAL and PHI:
@WAS week 1. Sept. 11 10 year anniversary and the teams from the two cities that were attacked are playing each other. I can’t wait for the flyover…
@ARZ, week 4. Lets go kill Klob in the stadium we made history in 4 years ago.
@NE week 9. I hate Boston teams and I hate the Pats. I love beating Tom Terrific.
@NO week 12. Eli gets another chance to beat his home town team. This time with a better defense, hopefully (thinking about health)
GB, home, week 13. SB champs. Lets knock em down, and jockey for a bye week come playoff time.
And of course, our last “away” game, @ NYJ. Everybody loves to shut up a big mouth.
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We will be tested this season surely and most importantly down the stretch
If you don’t wanna beat the big boys to get into the playoffs then you can GTFO (not directed at you Tommy)
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I gotcha wang, and I most definitely agree.
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agree with cowboy fan
everyone one of those first seven games will be hard fought.
You Go Look @ That Schedule
And tell me we hav a good chance of losing 3 of those and I’d tell you that you need your head checked out
by AHoustonGiant on Aug 7, 2011 9:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Most Definitely
San Fran, the Foreskins, and hopefully beat the Cowgirls twice but I know they will @ least 1. So there’s 3 I’m jus hoping they can squeeze 1 more out of those final 8 b/c if they go 7-1 in the first 8 like I expect (LMAO) and squeeze 4 out of the rest that’s 11-5 and that should be good enough this year to make the playoffs
by AHoustonGiant on Aug 7, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would rather lose to the likes of Miami and STL early
and beat the Pack and NO late.
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Reese....
shoulda did more HW on Patrick….
that’s a fact….but i’m sure no one (who roots for the Giants) will see it that way
TeamJPP
it looks bad right now
now definitive 3rd WR, Boss walks outta here, Osi problems…jesus christ
by MrDollarBills on Aug 7, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
there's plenty of candidates to be the #3
it doesn’t matter what you think of Hixon, he’s a fine #3 WR
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Please elaborate
what kind of HW?
JR- “So Ben, you want to play for the Giants?”
BP- “Yes sir, this is a quality organization, and I just want to come in and compete and try to contribute.”
JR- “So you’re not thinking of abruptly quitting after a couple of practices are you?”
BP- “No sir, why would you even ask that? I’m a professional, this has been my dream since I was playing PeeWee. Why would I walk away from millions of dollars?”
JR- “Okay, okay, it’s just a standard question we ask. It would be really embarassing if someone we signed abruptly quits on us with no prior knowledge.”
BP- “Well sir when you put it that way, I have a whole bunch of issues I wasn’t going to bring up, but now you’ve guilted me into it.”
Would it go somethign like that?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, I think you gotta screenplay on your hands.
I could actually “see” the conversation going down.
we don't know what the family issues are
nor do we know when they may have escalated to the point he needs to go and quit his job to deal with him.
I know its starting to become ‘in’ to criticize Reese, but there’s really no way you can do it there…not without 20/20 hindsight
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
And some other comments above could still be right ...
and he realized “Crap, I need a few weeks of ‘family issues’ to flush this HGH out of my system”. We just don’t know.
Captain Hindsight to the rescue
You should have paid Boss and Osi, and you should have signed Nnamdi and traded Eli for next years first round first pick so we can draft Andrew Luck…
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Freaking holdout POS scum Akumura..
Hey Ed, I don’t why we can’t drop F-bombs when it comes to describing “freaking” scumbag POS holdouts like Prince Akumura..
by BigBlueDeadHead on Aug 7, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions
man get off PA case
Its not really his fault that Tampa screwed this up for multiple teams, injuries happen to every team, you’ll get over it.
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I just want you guys to beat the Eagles twice this year
I don’t care if you go 2-14 as long as those two wins are vs. those bums from across the state I will be fine. People already saying they gonna win the Super Bowl and it is ridiculous. Also, I think the Giants will have a typical season. Start out fast and end slow. Miss the playoffs.
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by seton hall and steelers on Aug 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
No prob we got you.
well beat the Eagles twice and blow out the steelers I’m the superbowl. Sounds good?
the funny thing is I bet some Giants "fans" would be OK with that too.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I could stand losing to the Eagles twice this year
If it means we get to make the playoffs. Thing is I think we have to beat Philly at least once to get in this year.
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If you like, click on my screen name and see what I would like to happen to the Steelers and Eagles.
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I'm not so worried about the recovery, physically speaking.
I do know, however, that sometimes, there are pains that go on after the ‘recovery’ has taken place. I just hope this (1) doesn’t affect his mental game or (2) remove something good that we would’ve ordinarily gotten to see had we not had this injury.
Quit playing not to lose. Start playing to WIN! Geeez...
I wonder if Prince was injured befor he signed his contract.
That’s the rumor.
Areb oth Prince & Osi of Nigerian descent?
where did that rumor come out of?
nowhere? Oh.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Coughlin
He said there was some soreness in Prince’s foot coming into camp. I doubt that means his foot was broken already, otherwise he wouldn’t have made it through the first practice.
I was going to say….“What about Hixon?” Guy needs to do some time in the weight room and bulk up, he looks like a skeleton out there.
Most importantly, how players are performing in training camp, even preseason means nothing. The regular season is all that matters and how the teams matchup.
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