Source: Steve Smith Unlikely To Be Ready For Week 1
by Ed Valentine on Aug 6, 2011 2:16 PM EDT
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PrintLots of questions and speculation about free-agent wide receiver Steve Smith floating around Big Blue View, New York Giants training camp, Twitter, Facebook and pretty much anywhere Giants football is discussed. So, let's see if we can clarify any of that this afternoon.
A source close to Smith today confirmed that the four-year veteran most likely will not be ready to play Week 1 of the season as he continues his recovery from micro-fracture knee surgery -- something that has been hinted at by the Giants and widely speculated upon in other places. Smith, though, is expected to be ready to play at some point during the season.
Smith has been inundated with questions from Giants fans on his Facebook page, where he is very active.
Smith, who set the Giants single-season receptions record in 2009 with 107 catches, had this to say on Friday via Facebook:
I wish i had news for u guys btw.. u all keep asking and i appreciate so much that u care but i just dont have anything for u unfortunately.. all i can do is continue to work out hard every single day and trust that my agent does his job !!!!
So, it seems likely that nothing is going to happen with Smith until we get closer to the regular season, or until there is some firm information on when Smith will be ready to get on the football again.
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What a loyal Giant! You can tell he only wants to play here!
Take the time you need to be 100% ,SS12!
they can't stop us
Smashmout
if im another team
im lookin to steal smith from the giants…. just sayin
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 6, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
I said that same thing a few days ago
Giants may be thinking they have all the time in the owrld, no on will sign him if he is not ready to play. Then some team may just come sliding in a take him, they may not care about him not playing wqeek 1, etc. They will only care they got a talent for cheap.
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
owrld* = world
damn alot of errors in this whole thing… my bad
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
after microfracture surgery??
I think most teams will pass… The best route is for Smith to return to the Giants.. The Giants want him back, he wants to be back… We would also give him the most money…
I say he takes a 2 year deal so that he gets better this year and shows us why he deserves the huge contract… Something like a 2 year deal around 10 million with only 3-4 guaranteed.
Ok you write it up...I'll present that to his agent!
Deal!
they can't stop us
Smashmout
by Shaunthegiant on Aug 6, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
no we he gets 2 years 10 mil… your saying he deserves to be paid more than bradshaw, jacobs, nicks, manningham, tuck, osi, etc etc etc etc?
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 6, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it would be a 2 year 10 mil incentive laden contract
that is why I threw in the gauranteed part… my guess is sits out most of the year and pulls 1 mil. Next year he plays for 1.5 mil base and then starts earning his incentives.
It doesn't even seem like he's looking at other spots
he wants to be a Giant. Hopefully the only reason he’s not is cuz the Giants don’t want to cut anyone and would rather the depth chart sort itself out, then sign him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hope you're right
don’t know why they don’t just sign him then PUP him
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Great Gatsby on Aug 4, 2011 8:06 AM PDT
Two days ago, just saying:
The Giants know
he most likely will start season on PUP list (6 weeks), other teams obviously know about his microfracture surgery. For the Giants, there is not the same urgency yet.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
don't toot your own horn
most people knew this already.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Ah...Burp
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
So while Smith is out, who is our third WR, Clayton??
That doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
Blegh
That experiment failed badly in 2008. He needs to just stick to special teams.
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
he failed as a number 1 WR
he’s not bad as a 3 or 4
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hixon's like having another Manningham on the field
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Say what?
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
its really sad that people don't remember how good he was before he kept getting hurt
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He's a great special teams player
He’s not a great receiver
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
not great
but he was good as a WR. Definitely not #1, maybe not #2..but he never really got a shot there cuz of injury.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
+87
he got hurt week 2 against Dallas in 2009. Nicks and Ham jumped him on the depth chart
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I just keep seeing the dropped post vs. Philly
Although I believe his punt return for a TD was against Dallas.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
people forget in 2009
against philly he had a catch and run 70+ yard TD (Longest offense play for the team that year). Took the lead that the Defense gave right back the next series.
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people only remember his drop
and think he is awful… He held up okay there as #1 before the injury… he no Nicks or Manningham… but he held up okay…
Oh, I think he is good
I just clearly remember the pain of sitting in the stands, watching the most open WR I have ever seen in my life drop the ball, on a windy day which we knew would keep the score low. A lot of Eli airballs that day.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
the drop did suck big time
especially it being the first game after the Plax arrest. The spotlight was on “Nixon” big time
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hixon was one of the fastest players on the team
Dunno how his injury is going to affect him but having him hold down the fort at 3rd receiver along with his special team skills will be good to have
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
agreed
a lil taller but same type of speed
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO @ Hixon another Ham
No way Hixon is another Ham… Hixon is just a deep threat, but no way is he shakin people on the field like Ham…
yep
Hixon is a nobody. Manningham is a very good WR.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 6, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
he was before he was hurt
I know sometimes its hard to remember a few seasons ago, but he was no doubt that good
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
hell no
I’d rather march cruz or barden out there. Hixon’s not very good at WR imo
by MrDollarBills on Aug 6, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
nevermind. If his speed is there, he can be serviceable in the slot with the attention that Nicks and
by MrDollarBills on Aug 6, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't expect to have all-pros everywhere on the depth chart
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 6, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly these people....
I feel like they wont be happy until the Giants create the All Madden Team….
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
May I add
in an Alternate Reality where everyone can be signed at their asking price under the cap….
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
when I was at practice
they had hixon and cruz running 3rd with the first team
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 6, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
what about Nixon?
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 6, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And Hicks!
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Trot Nixon?
he retired a few years ago.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
Maybe Jernigan is the #3
Not as many routes to learn as the slot guy anyway. You just have to know how to find the opening in the defense.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Smitty is/was a terrific route runner
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
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+12
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks to all the various "diehard" Giant fans on the web for these laughs, now please do something different and watch a game for once.
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
no question
But when is gonna get back to form? I think that is the most pressing issue.
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
Watch for Beckum
If the practices I have seen are any indication you may also see a lot of Pascoe lined up at the true tight end spot w/Beckum in the slot or at least split off the line a few yards.
I think that could work against a LB
but against CB’s (especially if they play zone) it won’t be so easy for him to get open
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 6, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless
the corner plays close to the line of scrimmage, then he will man handle them off the ball and get open.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that all of last year
Beckum cannot be lined up again CBs. It has to be against LBs.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
He is
the quintessential player without a position.
Prove we are wrong, Tom "Medicine Man" Quinn, NOT!
hopefully he gets off there soon
he’s really the best option for the spot. Tho I think Beckum will be used in the slot a lot
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I would just settle for
using him for what we drafted him for.. a RedZone target – you know, fade in the back corner of the endzone being covered by a 5’11" cornerback…
I dont care if the whole defense knows what we are going to do, as long its unstoppable….. Eli Manning is… lol, sorry, every time I say that word, I think of the commercial.
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
for anyone who was interested in the Total QBR...
thing that was posted earlier this week….the special about it is on now.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 6, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
when they showed red zone INTS
I’m suprised Eli’s ‘lefty’ to Boss was not there
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it was somewhere near him
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli #7
ut O don’t look now some respect for the Giants signal caller.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
Manningham will get his shot to earn his next contract
Things will be interesting with him as a RFA next year.
Just looked up his numbers. Almost 1800 yards the last two years. He’ll get a contract from someone. We might be looking WR in the next draft.
I really hope they find a way to use Beckum. Because Eli will be missing Smith and Boss.
I can’t believe we couldn’t outbid the Jets for Burress.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
"I can’t believe we couldn’t outbid the Jets for Burress"
I think that comment belongs here
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/8/5/2347214/big-blue-view-comedy-thread
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
+10000000000000000000000000
ahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha…thanks.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What does it matter
Burress didn’t want to comeback anyway…
what would've been funny if we did get Burress
is some of these idiots out there would be penciling us in for the Super Bowl.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If only we didnt cut
our three starting offensive linemen that missed most of last year with injuries…
I also found out (on NFL.com) that loosing Andrews is almost as bad as loosing O’hara and Seubert combined!!! Go figure…
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
hahaha
Great new signature
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
I found it on this blog where some of the Giants Fans say the darn’est things….
I think they should really start a blog following the fans of Nj.com
I read what happens there and come here to post.. those guys…. man you would think we were a 0-20 (because preseason counts only when you loose) and JR was the mad hatter and Coughlin is the rabbit with turrets…
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
it wasnt about outbidding him
It was about guaranteed dollars. The Giants were apparently heavily favoring an incentive laden deal.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
+$500k for buying a trigger lock...
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
so
they wanted to give an incentive based deal to a guy who has not played in 2 1/2 years to prove he is heathy and can still play?
makes no sense, give him the guaranteed money
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We did not need him to play
We just needed him to stand out there for a few weeks until (hopefully) Smith came back. No one would have to know if he could still play or not.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
+1
I don’t think most ppl realize he was underperforming in 2008 compared to previous yrs.
by G-FANinFL on Aug 6, 2011 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was hard to him to run with the gun in his waistband
Lots of people have that problem.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
so pay a guy
to do stand around? Ok. The Jets are also asking him to be their number 2 guy, and who is already hurt as well
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I changed my mind
The shock of the Giants standing at the line of scrimmage with a receiving TE as the starter will throw defensive coaches’ minds into a loop. Some may need CPR.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Gilbride should start us out in the run and shoot
That would really mess with other teams
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
He was originally a run and shoot OC
Which makes it strange that he’s so uninnovative now
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
remember
Thanks to Buddy Ryan… he probably got self conscious about throwing it…. in fact that is probably his train of thought…
1st down) oh oh lets pass – incomplete
2nd) oh oh I know… lets pass the ball!!!! – incomplete
3rd) oh oh lets pass… wait.. if I pass buddy ryan will hit me… Draw play!!!!
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
I think
if we managed to pass the ball on 3rd and15, DC’s around the league would drop dead of brain aneurysms…
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
GASPPPPP
Don’t you dare make a pass at the thought of Manningham not being a Giant. You just gave me chest pains and a pounding headache. If he were to leave, my world would be a cloud of sadness. Don’t do that to me.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Bengals got Lawson for 1 yr $3 million
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
isn't it better to sign him and have the team doctors help with his recovery?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 6, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly
There are salary cap considerations. I don’t know all the ramifications, but when he signs has different impacts on the cap.
Smith
might not get signed until a week or 2 before he’s ready to get on the field. Think about it, no need to save a roster spot for him now, or have to put him on the PUP list and force him to miss 6 weeks. If you don’t sign him until after the season starts, and he’s ready to play before week 6, 2 weeks of practice along with the training he’s doing now should have him ready to go. Then he avoids the pup list, and you can use the roster spot for now to have another serviceable body. Also, it helps them with the salary cap, if he signs during the season, they will already have the 53 man roster figured out, thus their final payroll will be sorted out. It will let them know how much room money wise they will need when they get down to the 53 man roster in order to sign him and stay under the cap. They also get 7 days to get back to the cap level if they sign him in season and it puts them over. This might be the front offices’ plan seeing as how they have to believe he’s not going to sign elsewhere, A( because he’s hurt and B) because he wants to be here. Just a thought.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
I vote for Beckum as #3
But what about the guy last year, I think he actually was #3? What was his name, Jose Cruz? He caught a bunch of TDs against the Jets in preseason. What ever happened to him?
he was shelved a few weeks to early last year with bad hammy
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Giants have stuck around with injured WRs for years
Hixon, Moss, etc.
I guess it’s because they’re cheap to keep anyway, but I can’t see why the aim won’t be to keep Smith. And regardless of his stats, Smith can’t expect too much. A 2yr deal – 1yr to get 100% healthy, final year to show his stuff & attempt to make the big money.
Precisely
No one is going to offer him much, and the Giants will most likely make the best offer anyway, so why sign him now. Hold off, come to some sort of verbal agreement, then sign him once the season starts a couple weeks before he’s ready to play, and have him avoid the PUP list.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
remember that 1 mil deal to tyree
he got for being injured… could have cut him right there… but that is one of the reasons I love being a Giants fan.. They say thank you.
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
~Anonymous Arm Chair GM.... Priceless.....
I wish we could refrain from making players like Smith sound like sacks of grain....
He’s a fine receiver, he got hurt playing the game, and I sure hope the Giants have an informal agreement with him to sign him when he’s able to play. I also hope that includes covering his physical rehabilitation. The idea shouldn’t be to squeeze him to save a few bucks because he’s hurt, but to get him physically well for his return to the Giants if he’s able to resume receiver duties, or for the rest of his life if he isn’t. The idea of playing around with human beings needlessly as though they were interchangeable parts is quite distressing. Anyway, best of wishes to Smith, and I hope he recovers, regains his full abilities and remains with the Giants.
that's just it
they are sacks of grain. They’re expendable. Once they’ve outlived their usefulness it’s time to move on. It’s just part of the business.
If one believes that (which I don't)....
then why should anyone expect any loyalty to any team from any player. Fans to are interchangeable, and it makes no difference if your fans are Eagle fans or Giant fans, they’re all the same, just interchangeable screaming, demanding sets of lungs. Maybe you’re right, but I don’t believe so.
That's not the same
most fans don’t change the team they root for. But every team will lose your favorite player eventually. Your point is invalid.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually several players spend their entire playing careers with one team....
though if you meant eventually all players reach a point where they can’t produce on the field enough to warrent a professional contract, in which case, you’re quite correct. But even then, would someone consider someone like Carson, or LT as no longer being a part of a franchise (or its history)? Obviously fans have a greater life span than pro players have a career span, but that really isn’t the point.
They are remember yes
but they are forgotten about when it comes to the CURRENT team. All I’m saying is that it’s a business, very few players in a franchise’s history warrant that “family” label that say LT, Strahan, Carson, SIms, and Bavarro have. Most guys are in fact interchangable parts, and if the part no longer serves it’s purpose on the machine, it is scrapped for a new part that will.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, it is a business, but at a point when the team is hoping....
that Smith will recover and stay with the team, I think that if the team is expecting on loyalty from Smith, Smith has a right to expect loyalty from the team as well, and thus if the Giants want to retain him, I think an informal agreement with him to sign him if/when he’s able to perform is fair, rather than expecting him to pass on other opportunities if they arise in order to stay with the team when “it’s time”. I do agree with you that if Smith’s ability to perform at previous levels is gone, he’s not “entitled” to a contract based on past performance, but as long as the team is looking for a commitment from him IF and when he’s able to perform as in the past, he should expect a commitment from the team as well.
LOL
you should read my comment again, I said they should come to some sort of verbal agreement. I agree to agreeing.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have a problem with your earlier post....
Just realized you were the one who made it, and it wasn’t the tone of your post I was disagreeing with. Your earlier post I have no objection with. My apologies for not realizing that you were the same person who made that post (which I read a while ago). And I do hope Smith recovers and returns, and your timetable seems reasonable.
of course the team
is hoping for Smith’s recovery. He’s one key ingredient to the offense. However, don’t think for a second if his injury was career ending they would cut him in a heartbeat.
+1
It’s a business. When it comes to business decision teams rarely show any loyalty. Yes, they might make a token gesture for a respected player but those are the exception. Look at players like O’Hara and Suebert. Both were long time linemen for a line often considered the best in the NFL. Both were cut with no hesitation. They were casualties of age, injury and the cap.
Yea Jesus man
you shouldn’t watch professional sports then. IT’S A BUSINESS. No one said he wasn’t getting offers or a lot of money because he sucks. He’s one of the best possession WRs in the game. Him not getting a contract has everything to do with his injury, and nothing to do with his quality of his play.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Manningham and Hixon are out of practice tonight
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Don’t forget Derek Hagen.24 receptions, 15 for 1st downs.
Not bad for a 6th receiver.
In 2010 Smith had 48 receptions, 29 for 1st downs 11 yds per catch, 3 TDs.
Hixon in 2008-9 had 43 recptions, 29 for 1st down, 13.9 per catch, 2TDs, &
1 punt return also for a TD. Plus he played special teams.
Don’t forget Smith had some drops last season, & Shockey led the world in
drops towards the end ohis career with the Giants.
Yes, I know Boss had a few drops as well. But manning is the MASTER in the
“look out” pass and Boss was usually the recipiend of those passes (probably,
Smith was a closs 2nd).
Smith played in like 6 games
He is a very very important piece of our offense and our passing game went downhill when he got hurt.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 6, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
you logic is flawed at the end
Manning’s penchant for throwing balls high has no effect on what are deemed dropped passes. Dropped passes by definition are balls that the WR should have caught, but failed to do so. So if the ball was supposed to be caught, it would seem reasonable to assume that ball was “within definite catching distance”, thus a bad throw and a dropped pass have no correlation. The two are not related. A drop is a drop, and a bad throw is a bad throw. A high pass thrown by Manning that grazes off the leaping WR’s finger tip is not a dropped pass, it’s a bad throw. Boss just straight up dropped passes that should have been caught.
by ManningHam and Cheese on Aug 6, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
Hagan was signed by the Raiders
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Effing Raiders
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-John Madden
surprised Tollefson didn't go there too
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I hate California
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
so do I
Was just in San Fran for 2 years. Man beautiful city, but the people there… they have a whole different sense of reality.
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
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Yup. Some of the people in San Fran make the city disgusting.
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Amukamara just limped out of practice
Not good.
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crap!!
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
no way!!!
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
so many injuries already
around the league. missing all that conditioning time is really going to affect the play this year. practice is one thing but when actual games start even more players will be getting injured
That is bad because we usually have the worst luck with injuries
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 6, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what happens
when you hold out of camp. All that guaranteed money, hurt his first day where they asked him to do anything physical. Figures, I kinda thought that would happen with this guy. I don’t know why, but the longer he was out, the more I figured he’d get hurt right away.
Amukamara has a foot fracture
http://twitter.com/#!/Giants/status/100011021040762882
God damnit
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well thats just a big kick in the n*ts
how long
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Out indefinitely
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great
F*CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We're down to Webster, Thomas and Ross at corner
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and Weatherspoon
Not bad having 4 guys for 2 spots… plus I have to imagine we pick some practice squad guys…
we need steve smith. underrated third down receiver. losing son-in-law (o’hara) is going to suck. i think we should have let kiwanuka go and resigned osi. however, since osi doesn’t want to be there, we should trade him for asanti.
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Ross is going to need to step up though.
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And Ben Patrick decided to retire
Some week for this team
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That's good news
Now his contract comes off our cap. He was not making the team anyway.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
injuries are becoming really annoying on this team
i don’t want to overreact because i know the lockout will impact team conditioning but the number of injuries on this team EVERY year is becoming ridiculous. time for a new medical staff soon? or maybe something for better conditioning
I just read somewhere that Amukamara broke his foot?
That’s a tough loss for y’all. Who behind him at CB is looking good?
FEAR the STAR.
Prince wouldn't be starting
even if he was healthy. Corey Webster is 1, Terrell Thomas is 2 and Aaron Ross is 3. beyond that, it’s up in the air
Still a tough loss.
i figured it would of taken him 2 year to grab a starting spot if he was really going to live up to the hype. it could be 3 years now
Ralph Vacchiano
just said on Twitter that this was the same injury that Beatty had. Beatty missed 7 total weeks. at that rate, he would be ready for week 4. but he’s also missed a lot of time to begin with and if he does get on the field this year, it will be later in the season
It's bad for his development and bad for depth
but it won’t really hurt us in terms of actual impact on field
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guess he is gonna be in the film room
for a while
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF
I just heard Ben Patrick retired! And Prince got hurt! What is going on…
by dwill8brooklynbound on Aug 6, 2011 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Prince
Broken 5th metatarsal bone. Immediate surgery with a pin placed. Ugh.
This stuff always happens to guys that get in late. When will these guys and their agents learn?
Go Giants!
Why are you assuming things about his character?
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+1
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
I'm not saying ANYTHING about his character...
I’m saying that it’s irrelevent that he got in late, as the negociation is completed, and it won’t effect whether players and agents try to get in on time or not. I do think it’s a better deal to get in on time and not fall behind on both the playbook and activity, but it’s not going to happen as long as big bucks are at stake and contracts are being debated. I’m replying to the problem with getting in late, not discussing his character.
They never do
The level of greed is astounding. Quite frankly, I think good riddance. Clearly his conditioning wasn’t there. He clearly didn’t care to come to camp and learn while it was being worked out. These dolts and their greedy agents, you’re right, they never learn.
So, Prince is out for an undetermined time...
What a ROYAL pain in the arse.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
boooooooo
get off the stage you hack!!!! (throws tomato)
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by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 6, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
FINALLY!!!
I’m tired of throwing tomatoes at myself!
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
What a week....
We lose Boss, Patrick has some inner child issues making him not want to play anymore, Prince gets hurt, Osi is acting like a bitch, and Bruce Johnson gets hurt. Looks like we’re gonna have to score a LOT of points this year and hope we can dominate time of possession.
Guys, this happens to this team EVERY year for as long as I can remember.
You knew the shortened time was going to have an even bigger impact on the injury prone giants.
Boss’s head injuries are usually linked to Manning’s “look out” passes.
Smith’s willingness to go over the middle into traffic and Manning’s pension
for throwing passes into crowds where both Smith & Boss are going out for
passes are accidents looking for a place to happen.
After getting rocked over the middle a million times, guys will get gunshy &
drop passes in anticipation of getting rocked.
Would be nice of manning armfaked and hit his receivers in the open field
instead of throwing into crowds where deflections, drops, interceptions, and
fumbles are to be expected.
Derek Hagan joins Kevin Boss in Oakland
Hagan never got a lot of targets, but he knew the playbook and was able to score. Always hoped he would be able to turn into the 3rd WR. No tight end and no Steven Smith, third down will be tough this year. Especially with not being able to have AB in the backfield since he can’t pick up the blitz. I agree that Kevin Boss was ignored unless he was about to get hammered, and playing tight end for the Giants could be a thankless, dangerous, set up for failure job. It will be interesting to compare our 3rd down success this year to 2008 or 2009. We have some good receivers, but who will be our Wes Welker or Steve Smith this year? Third and five will become 4th and 5 a lot this year I am afraid.
This is a worry of mine as well. Without Smith, Boss, and Hagan Eli will have to get more comfortable with other guys on third.
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Hixon > Hagan
now if he’s gonna get hurt, or Barden can’t get on the field then they’ll be in trouble. As it stands, Nicks, Ham and Hixon are 3 WRs that Eli’s got more chemistry with then any other except for SS12. Eli and the WRs will be fine.
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of course Jericho Cotchery is in town
and without a contract. He’s not Steve Smith, but he has been excellent in YAC for the Jets. At home in the Meadowlands. Would be nice to see whether he with Big Blue or Plax with the Jets would be the better addition
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