Tom Coughlin: 'We Were Very Much Involved' With Kevin Boss
by Ed Valentine on Aug 5, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
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PrintNew York Giants coach Tom Coughlin spoke briefly this morning about the loss of Kevin Boss, the former New York Giants tight end who today agreed to a four-year, $16 million contract with the Oakland Raiders.
"Disappointed ... we were very much involved in that," Coughlin said. "Obviously we would like to have him here. We've got five tight ends that are going to have to compete for jobs.
"The guys that are here are going to have to continue and prove to us that we can run the offense that we want to run. If we have to make adjustments we'll do it."
The five tight ends on the Giants roster are Travis Beckum, Bear Pascoe, Jake Ballard, Ben Patrick and Christian Hopkins.
As was discussed in the Thursday evening pracice report, Pascoe appears to be working exclusively with the tight ends at this juncture. Coughlin also singled out Ballard as a player who could be the blocking tight end. Ballard is a second-year player who appeared in one game a season ago.
NOTE: I am hoping to be able to put together a more expansive look at how the loss of Boss could change the Giants' offense at some point in the next day or so. Hopefully time will permit me to get that done.
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rest assured Tom
Bbv says we’ll be fine
But I for 1 hear where ur coming from
TeamJPP
by andiamo708 on Aug 5, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This blows
I think those of us that thought Reese should have drafted a tight end look prescient.
Good word, prescient.
But Giants wiill be fine
Blocker = Ballard
Receiver = Beckhum (Patrick?)
Hybrid = Bear
IMO if Beckhum does not earn snaps this year he should be cut.
Bring lawyers, guns and money to get me out of this one! Stand in the Fire.
OC: Gilbride
and there in lies ur problem
Coughlin already KNOWS this and that’s the point he’s making
yet no one seems to realize this.
TeamJPP
He didnt mean that at all dude
he means that you cant run everything you want to run without Boss…you cant run the power I with Beckum, you have to adjust alot of the running game without Boss…… he said this in plain english the other day when he said he had been leaving messages on Boss’ phone and he hoped the message was being received as “Hey kevin we need you, cmon baaaaack”…
Youn do realize without the T.O.’s, Gilbride was probably the most prolific OC last year right????
yet you dont seem to realize this.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
without all those turnovers
this offense is a machine. Its already potent, but man just scary if we could hold onto the ball
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
Free The Beast!
I’m sad to see Boss go…but it was probably a smart move. Poor kid is one concussion away from calling it a career, IMHO. And any ANY opportunity to get Bear the ball, we should take.
Thanks for everything, KBoss. You were a true Giant.
11/1/2010
this TE class was one of the worst in years
but it’s not encouraging to hear Coughlin talk as if he will only make adjustments to the offense kicking and screaming.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
next years TE isn't anything to get too riled up about either
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Reading between the lines
I’d say that Coughlin is very disappointed and he knows that none of these guys are close to being Kevin Boss at this point in their young careers. Here’s to hoping one of them steps up.
I mean, Boss wasn’t an All Pro or anything, but he was above average and a complete TE. The concussions did concern me. I hope he steers clear of that problem in Oakland.
Go Giants!
"run the offense we want to run"
Boom Killdrived!
TeamJPP
by andiamo708 on Aug 5, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Doesnt mean that at all
Please get the facts before you attempt to make sense.
Just means Kevin was very instrumental in the offense, though you are blind to that.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
LOL funny you told me to lighten up, hahahaha
Misguided are some of the folks around here, but your opinion is your opinion, i can dig it. lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
maybe you should get a clue about what i'm talking about first
you don’t even know what i’m saying in that comment
TeamJPP
True
Very Very True, IDK know what your talking about…..no surprise there though.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
It's not that Boss was that important
It’s more that Gilbride isn’t guaranteed to use the personnel he has properly.
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Poor Coughlin has to actually try and trust players to step up
I would rather Boss stayed too, but I’m not disappointed to have Walking Farts and Buddy Ryan’s Fist Imprint be forced to come up with different things.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Agreed. And that was funny.
They might actually have to play some young players. At least we will know how Reese drafted the last two years. Hard to tell when they aren’t played regularly.
Sounds like the Giants did not think Boss would be that hard to resign
-JR made no attempts to draft or bring in someone just in case
I think we got caught with our collective pants down on this one, however no way should we mess up the cap and overpay for an average player. Boss will be missed but he is certainly not irreplaceble
He's been playing hard ball with the F/A's
and he has lost who i thought was very very important to us.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
True
But can you really pay Kevin Boss 4 mil a year?
by Late for Dinner on Aug 5, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutelty
If you use him in a manor that represents that…..Kevin Boss can be whatever kind of TE you need him to be…..i wouldnt groom a player for years and see him get better then just let him go knowing how important he was
TC was stalking Kevin, i have never seen him more open about needing a player
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
not to mention
He probablyu would have taken a little less to stay with us but im sure we offered ALOT less.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
yea what Boss was actually worth
Look the Raiders just gave Kameron Wimbley 48 million. 48 MILLION!!! Of course they overpaid for Boss.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
ok but what are the Guarantees and yrs
stop throwing around the max value, that will never be what you look at in the NFL for the average player….. i do feel Wimbley is overpaid from that # but i dont think KB is but i dont know the gaurantees in his contract.
Like i said you can get 4 million a yr worth out of KB, especially when your WR are not good and your running game is….this means he is the #1 target automatically as well as a very important cog in the running game.
Just because our offense limited him doesnt mean that they wont open it up for him in Oakland.
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Not worried...
Although Boss was a serviceable TE, he seemed to have one or two head-scratching moments each game. I realize we’ll have to hold out hope that somebody else steps up, but with Jacobs/Bradshaw always being a threat out of the backfield, and Nicks/Manningham/etc. able to stretch the field, I’m sure we’ll find a TE that works (as long as he can hold onto the ball).
um, not exactly
Boss had the 5th most catches on the team last year. Among starters, you can’t get lower than 5th.
I liked the guy, although he had a bad case of dropsies last year.
I’m not concerned about his loss. Yes, he’s more complete than what we currently see on the roster, but that may just be a case of the others having to get playing time and to round out their game. Boss himself was not exactly a blocking machine when he came into the league.
I’ve criticized Reese in the past, but I don’t see any reason to get on him for this. Boss is average, and now he’s moved on. So will we.
didn't drop the ball?
I invite others to weigh in on this, but I could have sworn I saw several games where he had bad drops, and some where he may have had more than one.
Guys, am I dreaming this?
no, Boss definitely had a case of the dropsies
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
not dream
Boss couldn’t catch a cold last year
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
dreaming
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
i like this game
Eli couldn’t throw a complete pass last year
AB couldn’t hold onto the rock to save his life last year
when we replacing them?
TeamJPP
Not saying that we should have let Boss walk
because we should have kept him on. Especially because he knows the offense and with no time to prepare for the season we need vets on the field. I was just stating that Boss did have some drops but not that he should have been shipped because of it.
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Err
Eli had the highest completion percentage of his career last year
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
and he still put up good #'s, what does that tell u?
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
what games did you miss?
Boss had the knack of making the impossible catch in traffic while dropping the easy passes. Boss had more than his share of drops.
O man I dont know who you were watching last season
Boss did make a few plays, but he dropped several passes last year.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
me too
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Couldn't agree more.
Pony up the 300 and get the NFL package before you comment on the games. At least watch them before the mouth is run, please.
man im trying to
DirectTV is even offering it for free right now with a 2 year contract. The base housing I currently live in will allow me to get this service, but it appears there is no where to put the damn dish…
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
okay time to trade Osi
to SD for Gates…otherwise we have no shout at that superblow anytime soon.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
see my sig…
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s not injured enough that i wouldnt want him on my team…
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
id kill a small child to get Gates on this team
And don’t think bad of me for this, I did it all for YOU GUYS!
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
As much as I love Gates
Killdrive would totally miss use him, all we need is a TE that can block and catch a pass here and there. Killdrive is going to be throwing to three recievers a lot.
by Late for Dinner on Aug 5, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...no doubt...
this was more of an exaggeration….though i do like Gates a lot…so its always nice to dream about something like that working out.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Get off KG's you know what
Dude would have been one of if not the top OC last year if his players didnt fumble…..get it together maaan
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
haha...as my post was mostly a joke....
here is a real “excellent” “fan” wisdom from facebook as always (pictures comments of Prince signing his contract)…
.
Who’s our TE now? T. Beckem. Trade Osi for J. Whitten or Vernon Davis
I’m just wondering what John Mara is thinking. First he lost out on Plax, now he let’s Kevin Boss go! Oh yeah, welcome Prince!
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
for real!!
holy crap
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
seriously
have these people watched a Giant game since the “superblow”?
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks for the laughs various "diehard" Giant fans on the web
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 5, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's possible now
JR could be forced into overpaying someone for a TE if these guys all look suspect in preseason. Last year we got caught short at KR. This year it could be TE.
When TC says “the guys that are here in camp have to prove….”, I think he really means “I don’t know if I have a TE in camp”.
Go Giants!
lol
TomRock_Newsday
Waiting for this suggestion from someone: Giants should trade Osi to the Raiders for Boss.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'm sure that one of the facebookers on
the Giants’ page will actually suggest that.
by BrooksBridges11 on Aug 5, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
nope...
they’re still worried about signing Plex.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants and Osi are talking about the contract
That’s encouraging
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
typical ESPN article
that’s the title, but other then saying the Giants and Osi talk….nothing about it says they’re discussing a contract.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Im with it lol
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
Might as well continue the
Lols
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
The way Osi is digging in his heels for a new contrat
Makes you wonder if he knows he is not healthy,
And to think I was....
going to follow Osi’s tactics to increase my earning potential by telling my boss that my knee was acting up therefore I should be compensated with a salary increase but I was affraid he would suggest that I go home to clear my head while handing me a pink slipt…..
That's pricey - and the Osi situation was a factor I'm sure
If Boss’s deal is typical he’s getting $6mm – $8mm up front. That’s a lot for a guy who got zero votes as a top 10 TE in a recent poll of seven USA Today writers. Combine that with the Raiders recent terrible history of judging value and I bet Reese and Coughlin feel like it was just bad luck that of all teams it was Oakland who needed a TE.
Osi has a bad knee according to the NY Post. Extending his contract and then
have him miss time with a bad knee or another operation doesn’t make sense.
Liked Boss more than Shockey. Shockey dropped the ball alot & was always
yelling at manning to throw him the ball. He even stopped running his routes
when Manning didn’t throw passes his way.
Think Pascoe will have a decent year.
does anyone honestly believe Osi is hurt?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
he really is hurt tho
no joke coughlin has talked about it and there are sources saying the giants knew about this coming into the season
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 5, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's say that's true
Why would they extend his contract knowing he’s 30 and has a pre-existing injury?
by fortheglory94 on Aug 5, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact is Osi wouldn't hold up playing 85-90% of the plays
He’s just not a dominant force anymore. If he was the guy getting doubled every play, hed be lucky to get 4 sacks. By the end of the season he’ll be the 3rd best player at his position on the team, 4th if Kiwi doesn’t play linebacker.
However, playing 65% of the plays and rarely getting doubled he’s still very very good. But that’s not much more than a $3.5mm value. The problem is with his history. If you restructure him to $15M over 3, he pockets about $5mm of that as a bonus and does anybody think his play or attitude will really be any better, especially if the really thinks he’s an $8mm/year guy?
he's not a dominant force anymore
Just ask the QBs who he strip sacked last year if they think that is true.
Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...
They'll say....
…we spent so much time worrying about Tuck that we forgot about Osi.
Look he’s a very good player, but he’s benefitted from having Strahan and Tuck on the team with him. He’s not one of the top 5 DEs in the league. Is he worth more than 3.5mm, absolutely. Is he worth the 12mm he’s asking for, NFW.
So do you throw him another $5-10mm and get zero improvement in attitude and effort? Do you take a #2 for him like we did with Shockey? Or you tell him to suck it up, play his ass off and maybe somebody gives up a #1 to get him and he gets the big bucks from them with the implication being that if he acts like a dick he’s only hurting himself long term?
If its not your money, you choose #1 otherwise you’ve got to like the other options.
that's why about a month ago he said he's the "healthiest he's been since 2006"
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
for who?
he wants to get paid yet all of a sudden is making up injuries? Osi’s insane is what he is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
not a bad viewpoint
im not gonna disagree
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 5, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
the injury is nothing more than Osi's way of sticking it to JR
that’s why JR should still be lookign for a damn trade partner!
TeamJPP
You saying JR isn't?
I bet he called Ernie and said, how long do I shop him before I pull him? If he’s on the shelf it’s like Milk approaching it’s expiration date. You tease them a little, say you can have him for a 1st, then say nah he’s too good to deal.
I thought the same thing!
Who claims that his knee is hurt so he can’t practice while in the middle of a “pay me more” temper-tantrum?
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
Osi tells Giants he needs surgery
that’s the latest NY Post story…
by LightningCoach on Aug 5, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
His ovaries might be a little sore
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
oh snap
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
JR should ask him this question
The answer is probably whats been holding this thing up
"Hard work pays off."
not at all
Who is hurt and asks for a contract extension???
Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.
See ya Bossman
It’s pretty obvious he didn’t want to play here. Giants are better than the Raiders and Eli is better than Campbell. Sometimes the grass is only painted green.
i don't think that's it
I think :
1. He preferred to stay.
2. He’s worried about head injuries shortening his career and total earnings he will have once his career is over.
3. He entertained offers.
4. The market made him a much better financial offer than the Giants could match.
5. He still would have preferred the Giants, but not enough to offer a sizable discount to them.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Bingo
Careers are short in the NFL. Add the concussions and I’m sure Al offered way more than the Giants. So he took the money. I don’t blame him. I’ll still be a Kevin Boss fan. He is one of those high character guys you respect as much for the person they are off the field as on. i wish him well.
Go Giants!
hey everyone look at the Cowgirls latest addition to their LB corps!
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
he's probably showing him pics of kiddie porn.
by LightningCoach on Aug 5, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's showing Romo the play where he separated his shoulder
heh heh
"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning
In Ahnold's voice: We're twins!
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
by Larry Soprano on Aug 5, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thy look like brothers
"It's time for other guys to have opportunities." -- Tom Coughlin
It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
Could be grasping at straws..
but we’ve lost quite a few TE’s the past 5 or so years.
Shockey the 1st rd pick of course (complained about his role in the offense),
Shiancoe the 3rd round pick (blew up in a different offense),
Boss the 5th round pick, now leaves (we’ve complained about his use in the offense)..
Beckum 3rd round pick can’t seem to find a place in the offense..
So to recap, we don’t draft TE’s high and the ones we draft leave because (speculating in Boss’s case) they’re not utilized properly. Sounds like a philosophy issue.
Kinda crazy we keep trying to fill TE/LB with low round/UDFA’s and then complain about the production..
about damn time
only so long Coughlin can keep ’em on the bench
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Boss departure
G-men will have to find a way to win without Boss, should be OK for this year. Beckum will have to step up!!! Gilbride will have to find a way to do something DIFFERENT this year with the TE set that we have. Bear is a hybrid who could line up at FB then shift to the 2 TE set with Beckum on the other side,that will cause match up problems! Good luck with that!
Was Boss a significant reason why we won games?
He was pretty much a non factor in many games last season.
Boss was good cuz he was a guy that if you had all of your other primary options hurt
he could be moved up the option depth chart, like the 2nd half of the Jaguars game. Other then that he was always well behind the top 3 WRs when you consider who was in the gameplan.
As I’ve been seeing brought up, if Beckum is the best TE on the team and is the one on the field, it forces the Giants to use the TE as a pass catcher. When they do this, the offense is much better. When they use the TE as a blocker primarily, the offense gets predictable.
In the long run, Beckum will be much more of an asset to the passing game then he is a liability in the running game.
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It doesnt force that at all
it just forces DIFFERENT run plays, more TE pulls and things like that since he just cant man up and go fwd like in the power I or something, like we usually run…..yes he will be instrumental as a pass catcher but we are not gonna change much hence the quote
“The guys that are here are going to have to continue and prove to us that we can run the offense that we want to run”
Doesnt sound like a guy intent on changing too much.
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yes, it does force this
Boss was a good blocker, so its Ok to leave him block. Beckum is not, so it will force them to run passing plays and get rid of the ball. That, is a good thing.
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"When they use the TE as a blocker primarily, the offense gets predictable."
Wouldn’t the following also be true with Beckum?: When they use the TE as a receiver primarily, the offense gets predictable.
My fear is we tip our had too much based on personnel on the field.
there has to be a point where its not predictable
and to me, having another good receiver on the field that’s a threat, and much more so then Boss, makes it unpredictable.
They tipped their hand with or without Boss. Point is, it was Boss that was predictable. Easy to defend. Beckum, is not.
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"it was Boss that was predictable. Easy to defend. Beckum, is not"
Men lie, women lie, #’s dont……. You could be right in the future but right now……Boss is far above and beyond Travis as a TE, waaay more predictable with Travis, but being predictable isnt always bad, you can know whats coming, you still gotta stop it so im fine with Travis.
Just not starting……please pass the Bear!!!
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the Giants far and away made their TE block more then went out on passes
that’s compared to the rest of the NFL. That’s predictable, that’s the numbers and they don’t lie.
With Beckum, who will force them to throw to the TE more instead of relying on him to block, is less predictable, cuz you know…he will be forced to run routes and get open (and is much quicker, faster, coordinated and has better hands then Boss).
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predictable or not
sometimes you gotta just say my guys are better than your guys and we are going to win this battle regardless of what you think we are doing
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Disagree.
Stopping a run is much easier than stopping the passing game.
Just look at the Colts. Dallas Clark isn’t known for being a great or even good blocker. But when he’s on the field, the Colts are virtually unstoppable even with the weakest running attack in the league.
With that being said, having a TE who can stretch the field will open the passing game and will benefit our running game by not sleeping on our passing attack.
your opinion is your opinion and as valid as it is
IMO TC doesnt say that if he intends to change much to cater to a player, not his MO……. and we are not exactly in a position to waste time….. whichever TE does the best job at keeping us in the offense we already run is the one who will be starting.
Might be Bear cause he can do both and Beckum would still be in alot becaue of his talents. He said himself, most of his snaps came while KB was in the game anyway, so he is built to co exist because he can be moved around. I dont see us passing more, i see us finding someone who can block the way we need them to first and that just might be Beckum. The running plays will have to be adjusted for him though.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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TC can say all he wants to the press about not changing it up
but when in practice the TE, Beckum, is lining up all over the field….he might not exactly be a liar, but he’s not exactly telling the truth.
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True, very True
Lining up all over the field is what he should be doing,
Lining up as a base TE, IDK so much but right you are.
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not all the time at base TE that's what Patrick's for.
but he will…cuz that doesn’t allow for predictability.
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I go with Bear, he is the best at doing both to me
and a year at FB has probably improved his leverage which he can use at TE, he can also catch the ball fairly well. If Hynoski is ready i would go with Bear as the base TE.
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Bear has not shown that he can catch
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Really
He has 10 catches for 81 yards in two seasons, 1 of those spent entirely at FB…. he had 9 catches for 72 yards as a full back last year, i think he can hang on to the rock
Beckum has had 21 for 171 yds in his career and 13 for 166 yds last year.
Beckum is a better pass catcher but at what price, Bear is the more talented blocker by far and from watching him in a limited amount of time, i dont feel like there are any reservations before passing the ball to him…………. Bear wins the Job hopefully, with SS12 out Beckum should be used more in the passing game anyway.
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yea he did
you know people have to tey and numb his loss with anything they can.
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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to try*
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But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!
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TC will get fired if the G-Men don't make the playoffs this year
Losing Boss certainly doesn’t help the Giants’!
Its all up to KG this year. If he does well might even be offered Head coaching job for us or Another team.
I mean we only lost cofield on defense, key lost but not a huge lost. Osi leaving will itch but not sting. But the offense is loosing plenty of key pieces with boss being gone, o line changes and injuries to our Wide outs for first half of seaon. Im kinda worried for our offense, but our defense should play well. Hope KG or as some of you call him, “killdrive” can adjust to our players strengths this year. Kevin, EARN YOUR MONEY!!
I call our d-line, The Wall
thats why he got the 1 year contract extension...
Do some people really not follow Giants news and post random garbage like this just to piss us off?
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Anyone else notice on that play CC Brown loafing while watching his teamates make the tackle?
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by Larry Soprano on Aug 5, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
you wanna know why that play worked?!?!?
go back and watch again….look who clears out the LBs.
i’ll wait….
TeamJPP
and you know why Boss was able to do that
even though his primary job is to block….defenses MUST respect his ability to catch and run b/c he’ll burn you. © the Jax game, SB, etc.
and that’s what we need outta boss’s replacement….(who again, is NOT becks)
but instead Patrick/Pascoe/Ballard.
TeamJPP
Dang this is the one game I missed last year
Can’t believe I missed that!
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All in all
an excellent off-season for the Giants.
Some complain that they haven’t gotten any better through FA, but FA isn’t where you get better, the draft is.
Why even have the draft if you just want to outbid the Raiders for your veteran players.
Boss’ better days are behind him (sad, but true) and he’s not worth the cap space. Same goes for O’Hara and Seubert.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
we have a winner folks
Now get back off the ledges people…
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well said
'Awh man thank, god he’s (David Carr) back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!'
'We have a a shout at the superblow'
Thanks for the laughs various "diehard" Giant fans on the web
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 5, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
even w/ Coughlin stating exactly what the issues are
BBV’ers still don’t get it….
but whatever….Boss is gone, it's Beckum time!
smh
the guy KG been calling a Hback for two years is suddenly our Starting TE….all 239 lbs of him. (which is prolly as accurate as calling Jacobs 265lbs)…in an offense that bearly throws to their TE but asks them to be above average blockers.
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+1
we have no TE
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
So Patrick will master the offense in 5 weeks?
I’m just saying that losing a veteran TE who Eli is comfortable with may be an issue
u should find something else to do! You like the GM,you have your head up your ass!!!!!!!!! we have not singed a linebacker in years think about it, he has on Herry Carson JERSEY, HE is not a pimple on his ass, like I said find something elese to do like go play in the road out side of the stadium, may be u could talk about that. your inputs suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go back were was the last linebacker we had, get rid of the GM and find someone knows talent.. DON`T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELSE IT IS GETTING SICKING..
+89
This might be more problematic than people realize. We’ll see what these other guys do.
Go Giants!
but maybe not as bad as teams instituting a new coaches/schemes
Or starting Jon Beck at QB.
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ok how about Pascoe
no need to do back flips, but we aren’t exactly replacing Mark Bavaro here. No reason to think Pascoe, Patrick, or Beckum can’t fill the small role that is TE in this offense.
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
and rightfully so
he and pascoe aren’t the players Boss is.
neither is Patrick.
but as long as they can block and keep defenses honest we’ll be ok.
i’m just gonna hurl if i hear another person say “Beckum time”
TeamJPP
beckum time!
you knew it was coming :)
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
in fact we may have to start a Beckum Bandwagon
kinda like the JPP movement
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so the raiders guys went through all our arguing over kevin boss
and used some quotes from some of the points we made in our comments section. They made a thread out of it and are debating about Kevin Boss and how we reacted to the news. I actually thought it was cool they took one of my posts and its on the front page lol. heres the link if u wanna go over there and talk with them or see if they used a quote from your own post.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2011/8/5/2346903/oakland-raiders-new-york-giants
by The Blood of Eli on Aug 5, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that's pretty cool.
the Raiders fans that I’ve talked to are pretty chill
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
haha ain't that the truth
some are dicks and some are cool
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
First Bad Thing
This is the first bad thing that’s happened recently.I realise you can’t have everything but if i had to choose between Boss,Smth or bradshaw id take Boss
respecfully disagree
I’d take Smith, Bradshaw and the cap space
eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson
if that's the first bad thing, its looks like a good offseason
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Can I join your fantasy football league?
Just sayin….
by roguetrader on Aug 5, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
with kiwi playing there half the time
we’re actually rather full at LB. Who would you get rid of?
and even more, who is still out there that is of ANY value (meaning better than what he have)
Oh Well we have enough TE
I guess no more Boss dropped passes in the end zone for the giants.
I dont think we'll miss him in the passing game at all... blocking was good though
In the last two years he had 530 and 560 yards recieving… I don’t see Beckum having any problem getting to or above those numbers given the chance.
We could definitely miss his blocking though. Its a tradeoff and basically one they weren’t willing to pay a lot of money for.
None of our TE’s are as good as Boss, but as a committee Beckum, Patrick, and Bear can be very effective.
The problem is our OC doesn’t seem to be smart enough to implement all the players in a position of strength.
Hynoski can be the back catching passes out of the backfield.
Imagine a scenario with BJ running the ball, being blocked by Hynoski at FB and Bear and Patrick at TE. That’s awesome.
Beckum is a versatile option. He can catch passes out of the backfield, he can line up as TE, he can line up in the slot too.
Bear is a hybrid TE/FB and can be very effective, and Patrick will take over the role as the ’"traditional TE".
As long as Killdrive is smart enough to use all of his weapons, we will be fine. And once Smith and Barden come back :) WOOH!!
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Kevin Boss will be missed but,
Al, as always, has overpaid. That’s what makes it so funny that he ABSTAINED in the vote for the new CBA. I guess he doesn’t like accountability. That being said, K-Boss, you will certainly be missed. Now Bear Pascoe will have to play 2 positions (as we let our fullback go too) and be the spearing dummy for LB’s and DB’s for Eli’s behind-the-receiver throws. C’est la vie.
Jon Goff playing the pass
against Houston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SuCwrZrNQM
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It's about damn time. Why weren't they given opportunities before? Huh?!?!
That was a horrible throw
into a double team
by mclaren_is_the_best on Aug 5, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I will Miss Boss
But to think he was the end all be all TE is a little off thinking. He was good not great and 4 mil/yr is too much for the Giants to pay for him. Let’s give the guys in camp a chance and see if anyone steps up and makes big plays.
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