McKenzie Expects Vote On CBA This Afternoon

by Ed Valentine on Aug 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT in New York Giants News

New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin is expecting to have a full roster of players for practice Thursday night at Giants camp. If the CBA is ratified, he will. If not, the always-prepared Coughlin does have a second practice schedule prepared, just in case.

Giants player rep Kareem McKenzie said "we should have a vote today" on the collective bargaining agreement, but that there were still issues being negotiated.

"We're trying to make sure with this because it's a 10-year deal that everyone is comfortable with it," McKenzie said.

Other Notes

Still no sign of first-round draft pick Prince Amukamara, who remains unsigned.

After practicing in full pads for the first time Wednesday Coughlin said the Giants will go in shorts and shells Thursday and Friday night to give all of the veterans who have not been able to practice a chance to get up to speed.

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Some financial information

Mathias Kiwanuka
2 yrs, 8.6 million

2011 salary – 1.75 million
2012 salary – 4 million

Giants have first right of refusal – if it doesn’t work out next year, they don’t suffer a large cap hit.

David Baas

5 years, 27.5 million

Don’t know the specifics.

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

whats ahmad?

4 years 20 something?

what about steve.. i know he hasnt signed, but i do know an offer was made.. anyone know what the offer was??

by Plaxico Burress on Aug 4, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Bradshaw

4 years, $18 million with $9 mill i think?

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

guaranteed

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 4, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm guessing the rest of the 8.6 mil in Kiwi's contract

is from incentives?

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Aug 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

yes I believe so

in 2011, only $500,000 is guaranteed

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions

its not really incentives...

like probowl, etc etc

its just if he plays it out and doesnt get hurt (stays on the roster)… etc.

Although its wierd cuz in the new CBA all the players (or maybe just veterans) have a 1 million injury insurance, so they could cut him and only pay 500K, but if he’s injured he’s still get 1 mil.

by Matt dubs on Aug 4, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

there are some roster bonuses for next year… 300K i think or something like that

by Matt dubs on Aug 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

they have Baas' there now too

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2011/08/giants_deal_with_offensive_lin.html

Looks like a lot of money later on, but all the guaranteed dough is early on.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 4, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

A bit of an overpay?

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 4, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

someone's got a restructuring ahead of him!

Get Better, Not Bitter.

by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 4, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Can he play first?

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

by Blue Gates on Aug 4, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

it might be

but if he solidifies the position, it doesn’t really matter.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 4, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Doesn’t matter until 2014 and like BBI said he’ll get restructured

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 4, 2011 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

SIGNING BONUS: $8.5 million

BASE SALARIES

2011: $1m (guaranteed)
2012: $3m ($2m guaranteed)
2013: $4.25m
2014: $4.75m
2015: $5m

WORKOUT BONUSES: $250,000 each year from 2012-15

Quick math shows that works out to these salary-cap numbers:

2011: $2.7m
2012: $4.95m
2013: $6.2m
2014: $6.7m
2015: $6.95m

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

So basically it's a 2 or 3 year deal

Doubt he sees 4th and 5th years of that contract

"Sometimes you make a mistake and you get hit in the head." - Eli Manning

by blains2000 on Aug 4, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Yup there's no doubt about it

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

just read that ahmad said

that jacobs called him everyday during his free agency. he said that jacobs really loves ahmad and took that paycut ONLY for ahmad. looks like we have one very happy backfield right now

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions

+44

and +27

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions

he also said

that he was always a giants and didnt even consider leaving…. he said washington and miami were strictly business

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

crap...

I suck at carrying the one!

Where is my calculator?

sigh...

by nywins42 on Aug 4, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

44 + 27 = bromance

and in NY, with the new marriage laws. . .

Just sayin’

"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."

by AJ_in_VA on Aug 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions

More like a G-mance to me

by Bavaro 89 on Aug 4, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

So, can we nickname the Bradshaw and Jacobs backfield...

Siegfried and Roy?

They do make a magical tandem.

sigh...

by nywins42 on Aug 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Halfback Mountain

I win.

"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."

by AJ_in_VA on Aug 4, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

lol

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

that you do

can we get a Photoshop movie poster here soon?

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

but the first guy yo make a "Superblow" joke gets shot. . .

Wait.

Oops.

"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."

by AJ_in_VA on Aug 4, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

hahaha

"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck

by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

you win

sigh...

by nywins42 on Aug 4, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

lMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

by Blue Gates on Aug 4, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

lmao, you win

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Aug 4, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Caught in a rad bromance

Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden

by Willgfass on Aug 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I can imagine the drama on the sidelines...

Jacobs to Bradshaw…“I saw Eli whispering to you in the huddle! What did he say?!”

Bradshaw to Jacobs…“Nothing! What was up when he slapped your ass after that first down? Slut”

These can go on forever really.

sigh...

by nywins42 on Aug 4, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

this whole prince thing

isnt just prince… its picks 17, 18 and 19…. it looks like there is arguing over if they belong in the 20+ contact category or the 16 and lower contact category…. damn

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions

well nvm

corey liuget got signed like an hour ago… maybe prince gets signed before 6 PM?

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Hope so

don’t be the last one Prince. Did Loogie get that 4th year guaranteed? If he didn’t no dice for Prince.

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

i didnt see

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

too late...

prince is the last unsigned rookie

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Literally the last one.

I’m disappointed, he’s going to struggle in the beginning

by GiantNomad on Aug 4, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Gotta happen soon now

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 4, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder why??

with the slotting, all rookie deals are easy now….. i bet its because of where he was projected and the fact that they acknoledge he was a top 5-7 player.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

by Blue Gates on Aug 4, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

its mostly Clayborne's contract

he’s getting paid more then what the #19 pick, Prince should be. I read that based on what they allocated to the rest of the picks the Giants can better that if they wanted to and really it only amounts to about $600,000. I dunno who’s holding up who, but someone needs to just give in if its $600,000 that’s the difference.

Unless he’s pulling a Crabtree and telling the Giants teh mock drafts say he’s supposed to be a top 10 pick

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 4, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions

i really hope he's not

while i understand being in that position probably sucks, but dont do what what crabtree did cause thats not good for anyone. Prince definitely deserves to be getting more money but hey, he got passed up in the draft

by The Blood of Eli on Aug 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought the slotting

was to avoid anymore crap like what Crabtree pulled?

Your First Ever Pinstripe Bowl Champions- The Syracuse Orange

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 4, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I think its more of a pool of money and its the team's obligation to dole out the money

to each of their picks as they see fit. The Bucs I guess had more then enough money to overpay Clayborne. The Giant apparently do too, so I guess the holdup is on their side. I dunno.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Aug 4, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Well the Giants themselves were saying he was top 5 so that is probably it.

But other than that he needs to call his agent and tell him lets go but business is business, i kinda dont even care cause we have corners who are better than he is right now……if he was a need and expected to start i would be upset but he was gonna play dime starting out anyway.

Peyton May Have The Wins!!
But Eli Will Have The Rings!!!

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

by Blue Gates on Aug 4, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions

he's getting off to a rough start

I’m sure we all really loved this kid and expect big things but this holdout is hurting his rep. I, for one, am very disappointed in the way this is being handle. Im more annoyed by this than by the Osi BS. Let’s go Prince. I wanna be partying likes it 1999.

Nobody wins the SB in August

by 1giantlion on Aug 4, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions

If he pulls a Crabtree,

I hope he never plays a down for the Giants, I cant stand unproven players who had good college careers thinking that they should just come into the league and make the big bucks, I understand a later pick than he made a lot of money, but lets be real for a second is Prince not going to make a lot of money? weather or not its less than the 20th pick or not it’s a shit ton of cash. I have no sympathy for him thinking he should make more or should’ve been drafted higher than he did, fact is he didn’t why don’t you man up thank your lucky stars you got this chance and take what they are offering, believe me there are plenty of people in this country alone that could use that money right now.

Can we all collectively bargain not to be douche bags ?

by colinlovestheknicks on Aug 4, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions

Skydiving?Forgot your parachute? TUCK AND ROLLE! On fire? TUCK AND ROLLE Got shot? TUCK AND ROLLE Lost your car keys? TUCK AND ROLLE Failed that history test? TUCK AND ROLLE.

by Blue Gates on Aug 4, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions