Reese - A Grade C
by Aldo1 on Aug 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
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We all know by now that in order to field a successful team on a long term basis, it all starts from the top down. The Mara's and Tisch's have proven to be top flight owners, offer a stable environment and they continue to make positive decisions for the GMen and all of football.
However, I believe the jury's stil out on Reese...why? Since the incredible draft class of '07 that fielded Smith, Boss, etc...in over four drafts, few players in high draft positions have yielded positive results. Kenny Phillips and Aaron Ross have had a few up and down years, and one is still coming off a serious knee injury. Hakeem Nicks appears as though he's on the road to stardom and JPP has only offered potential. However, there's been too many marginal players, such as; Beatty, Barden, Sintim, Moss, Koets, etc...that have yet to live up to their high draft status and become impact players.
He has continued to neglect the linebacker situation, and has filled it with mid-round draft choices that have yet to make an impact. This is a glaring need...do you feel comfortable going into the season with; Boley, Sintim and Goff? His free agent acquisitions have been anything but successful; Rolle is a decent player who makes a ton of mistakes, Canty has yet to again be an impact player and validate his huge contract, Boley is only marginal for a $25M contract. Rocky Bernard is gone. We've now filled the roster with bargain free agent castoffs from other teams that no one wants; Patrick, Andrews, White, Carr, and Clayton. Lest not forget how badly he planned for free agency as the Giants were only one of four teams that were over the cap heading into free agency. Would you compare the Giants to successful teams who draft exceptionally well and are well under the cap..ie. Eagles, Colts, Steelers, etc..?
They fanned and missed on Plax...we could use him, Manning hasn't been the same since he left. I'm a huge Coughlin fan, but in all honesty, Reese needs to prove that he can make this work or we might be looking for a new GM.
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We actually hit it big on Plaxcio
he’s not a Giant. That is automatically an A for the offseason.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
took plax 1 practice to get hurt
pulled hammy day 1… thank god we didnt sign him
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
haha yea....
this name is going to have to be retired
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
so now that your hurt
you have time to go on BBV? hahaha
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
see above post
cant support the man anymore… if he went anywhere but the eagles, jets or cowboys i could support him… now.. eff him haha
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 4, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
its all good. It would be funny if you kept it
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i want to...
but im having a hard time justifying having a Jets players name as my sig
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Where will you turn Plax?
Will it be another player for your sig? Or are you “going in a different direction,” as they say?
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
lol i dont know yet
i love the old timers so maybe ill go with one of them as my name… although the always well dressed makes a great point below… a JPP sig would be a trend setter… i have some serious thinking to do.. maybe ill be FreeBradshaw or something weird like that haha
by Plaxico Burress on Aug 4, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just make sure you do a Fanpost or something to announce your comeback so we know who you are.
Unless you want to be sneaky and see who can figure out who you are first. :-)
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
Valid point
you may have to be the first “JPP” related name
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give him a D
I know Reese can hit gold on 1st round draft picks no doubt it. Im just waiting for him to fill in holes via free agency. Unless I missed the Giants playoff games last year, which Im sure I didnt. Im not sure what Reese is waiting for. There were a few cheap pickups to be had that we passed on. I know there are peeps on here who constanly glue their lips to his butt. Wink Wink, but im still not sold.
P.S. should have had a poll.
Manning hasn't been the same since he (Plax) left
yeap your right… Eli has been BETTER with his young WRs. Also.. “They fanned and missed on Plax”…. they meet with him, offered him a contract with incentives but guess what…. Plax went to the team that offered 3 million in guarnetted money, thats ok, he went where the money was.
The Steelers were over the cap before FA started and the don’t make big FA moves.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
Manning did not miss Plax.
Please look at the stats from 2009 and 2010 and tell me again that Manning missed Plax.
Also, I’m kinda tired of explaining why we’re over the cap. And by the way, the Steelers are over the cap. The Colts are only under the cap because Peyton took a paycut. If he hadn’t, the Colts wouldn’t be able to sign anybody.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 4, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
Math is hard
Spewing uninformed BS is easy.
If they can’t bother to add and subtract, best to ignore them.
But I give this fanpost an F.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
by AJ_in_VA on Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pessimism is in this offseason
we made no big offseason moves while the Eagles did. Also the cardboard cutout, the decoy, that caught 35 balls in 2008, the missing link, is playing for the other green idiots. All is lost.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Aug 4, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
are you sure it wasn’t a Fathead?
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 4, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Manning did not miss Plax...huh?
Manning did have one of his best and worst statistical years…unless I’m mistaken…how many interceptions did Manning throw last year? A very tall receiver makes up for a lot of errant throws.
You don’t have to explain to everyone why we’re over the cap, no one asked you to. The fact was, the Giants were one of only 4 teams over when the strike ended genius.
So what P. Manning took a paycut…So did Jacobs, and we cut O’Hara and Suebert and let Cofield walk to the Skins. I know we had to, as these guys are hurt now, but no denying they were the heart and soul of the team and we couldn’t pay that kind of huge money to a guy who was just a solid DT.
you are very misinformed....
just my opinion
I apologize if I sounded condescending, I did not mean to.
The reason we’ve been over is that in 2007, we won a Superbowl. Reese knew we had our chance to keep the success going. We added free agents to higher contracts knowing that we had that window to keep the momentum going. Things went wrong, obviously. Plaxico shot himself. Injuries to the OL. Osi got injured. Kawika left. Antonio and Strahan retired. You get the point.
If we were like the Eagles (who cut or trade a lot of their players after they reach 30), we probably would’ve gotten rid of Strahan, Pierce, etc. And no superbowl. The Eagles have all their under 30 contracts all still on their rookie contracts. We are on pace to be in the same situation in a couple years.
Get Better, Not Bitter.
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 5, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It's so amazing that you could explain this...
Read today’s Daily News, the Giants beat writer who knows a lot more than we do about the team couldn’t explain why the Giants were over the cap, but you can.
well...
first off, though my knowledge of the NFL cap is very limited, since there was all the nonsense around the CBA last season, last season was uncapped. So in other words the Giants could have spent as much as they thought necessary to field their team.
Even with that said, I dont think they were that much over…but with the lockout, they were not able to cut people until it was ended. You really think they wouldn’t have done it sooner if they could have?
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 5, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Eli threw 20 interceptions in 2007
And his completion percentage was less than it is now.
I can’t comprehend the argument that Plax makes Eli look better when his stats have improved without him?
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
Just making sure
this LOL is in response to other guy, not to me, right? haha
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
no man...
stats lie…common sense does not apply either.
clearly you’re wrong.
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
"we need to get cam newton before the panther’s get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out….. do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" -Anon
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
now if you'll excuse me
I gotta go put some water in Buck Nasty’s mommas dish
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hey, it's Silky Johnson!!
Whasup playa??
“The player haters ball gives us an oppurtunity to hate on a diversary of markass marks, trickass marks, punk b*$ches, and skip skaps, skanks, and scallywags…hoes, heffers, he ha’s, and hulyhoops”
I'll say this about the 09 Draft class
this is the final year a judgment. Beatty is a starter, Sintim is a starter, Beckum is getting more reps and could start, Barden will get chances if he does not start the season on the PUP. Everyone says you grade a draft class after 3 years, so if they crap out this year… then we can call it a failure.
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
no one missed out on plax
Eli did everything perfectly.
and just becuase Tuck wants to be mr. nice guy doesn’t mean he’s right.
in fact, Justin….YOU’RE dead wrong. Shut up about Plaxico….and give me my damn Sharpie back!
TeamJPP
by andiamo708 on Aug 4, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
still not over the sharpie thing? hahaha
"I like prime rib, and I'd love to win a Super Bowl" -Andy Reid
shhhh
let him have it…
It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2011 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Blahblahblah
Same story different Post right? I would like to know how exactly the guys that are complaining would go about the off season. Would you have liked to have signed an expensive linebacker and lost all our depth? We have ten young linebackers on our squad, Give them a chance to play, dont demand JR to strangle their growth by signing other linebackers and then complain that his draft picks blow. Let these guys play, Honestly I dont think we have a Linebacker situation at all.
I was going to detail all the things i disagree with here,
but the first 11 comments have done a good enough job. Plus it gets REALLY old explaining again and again why things are the way they are.
Only thing to add, is, that the Giants as an organization do not ever reach in a draft for need. They also like to draft DL and secondary in the first round when talent/upside meshes with value. They like getting LB’s in FA. But I will give JR a D/Incomplete on drafting LB’s.
Overall, JR gets a solid “B” from me. For what THAT’S worth. lol
Thank you, you got it done. Follow me on twitter @it's about time you A-HOLES
im really getting tired of the...
“we didnt make any big FA moves so were going to suck” bull-S. you read every G-D sports article (not on BBV) and its all about how the eagles already won ther superbowl and the giants are going 2-14 because Elis the suxorest and Plaxxss iss needed!! and omgggg not every single draft choice has panned out. if you can muster 2-3 guys that start 2 years down the road in every draft youd go down as the greatest GM of all time. Christ people! if you look at people inside the NFL’s opinion, the Giants are one of the most powerful teams in football. You ask anyone on the eagles, the Giants are thier biggest worry. yea they might be 6 for thier last 6 on us, but the Eagles havnt beat the Giants in a while… the Giants have beaten the Giants every time.
This whole no big FA spashes = season doom is insane. get off the ledge! we still got Eli and his 4K yards and 30TDs… the 25 ints is a abberition.. wont break 15 this year. we still got ahmad, BJ, Hakeem, Mario, a sick nasty O-Line, the best DL in the NFL, top 5 DBs in the NFL, THE TOP d coordinator in the league, one of the best HC in the league… the Giants will be just fine
you spelled super bowl wrong
we now call it the superblow
"Sack-Forced Fumble-TD against any QB in the history of the NFL.... honestly, It would probably be Eli because I see him in pratice and we can't touch him (laughs)" - Justin Tuck
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
In Prust we Trust
"It's just pain."
This team has balls.
by Master Ov Brutality on Aug 4, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s definitely things to be worried about. But we haven’t seem them play a game yet. At some point, you make a decision to let the draft picks play and see what you have. You can’t judge in practice. And you might have a ‘down’ year because of it, but it could help in the long run. If one or two LBs emerge out of all these late round picks, then great. If Austin or Joseph can be the next Cofield or better, then great. If Beatty can play tackle then great. If JPP can cover Osi’s loss (if he’s gone) then great. If Jernigan can be a Welker-type slot weapon and return man then great.
With all the turnover (O-line mainly) and their cap position, this was as good a year as any to see what you got. Obviously some of those prepositions I listed won’t work out, but it can allow for a more honest roster assessment, which can lead to more pointed resource allocation next offseason (in the draft as well as free agency). And if all those do actually work out, then you’re a contender.
But at the very least, I think the O-line will be good (b/c they were when O’Hara and Seubert were out last year), they have Eli, they have a running game, they have Nicks and Manningham, they’ll have a good pass rush, and they’ll have a very good secondary (Phillips, Rolle, Prince, Webster, Ross, Thomas). So I think worst case they’re on the tier just below the Eagles and Packers, but even with any other team in the NFC and that’s even with all those question marks.
"It don't make you a bad person" - Ron Bennington
by Pauly C on Aug 4, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well put...
Couldn’t agree with you more. Let’s see what some of these guys can do. You’re right, on paper, probably a shade lower than the Eagles, Packers, and Saints….but that’s on paper. It’s a long season, and you never know how things will work out. You just want to feel that you’re in the best position you can be to win it all.
we have been built
To score points. This has been JR game play for the last 3 to 4 years. If we take a look at last year. If the oline and receive were heathy we were a 11 and 5 team easy. The defense had to play a totaly new defense then they ever played B4. I keep here the birds made moves and r stack. Well I have news for everyone we are stacked. Stay healthy correct errors and we are the team to beat
by hit_hard on Aug 4, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
this post is like a riddle
pete and repeat were on a boat. pete fell out. who was left?
"Oh sir, the Giants of New York took on the Packers of Green Bay. And in the end, the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big "H". It was a most ripping victory."
Repeat
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
by Giants56 on Aug 4, 2011 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
your wrong
REESE IS THE BEST THERE IS AND HE DIDNT DRAFT MOSS
Since its panic in Giant-Fandom Land
here is an uplifting quote in reference to David Carr coming back with the Giants
“Awh man thank, god he’s back… C’mon Tom get rid of Eli !!” – Giant Facebook Fan
"we need to get cam newton before the panther's get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out..... do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" - DieHard NYG Fan
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 4, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Sometimes I feel like a lot of gianta fans are missing the best part of being a Giants fan...
You know, the watching the Giants play football part.
It takes great work and thinking to keep from doing work.
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 5, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 as well
"we need to get cam newton before the panther's get off lock down cause eli cant (QB) by hisselfall this saeson also we need plax back to cause smith is the best (WR) we got nd plax cant help smith nd the team out..... do that nd we have a a shout at the superblow" - DieHard NYG Fan
by The Always Well Dressed... on Aug 5, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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